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Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?
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I would kind of hope that even in a casual relationship, some type of feeling for the other person would be involved.

I don't know. I suppose for some it could work out that way.

But not for me. Not at all.
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Mystery;635934 wrote: Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?


I don't think so, you have to like the person your having sex with, so inevitably feeling's become involved.

I have set out with those intentions before and it all went terribly wrong, someone always gets hurt.
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I'm thinking the same thing. I just don't think, well I suppose I can only speak for myself, but I just don't think it's possible. There was a time when it would have been easy, but as time goes by, emotions are more important.

Now, Suzy, do you think someone will get hurt inevitably, or what are the chances feelings can be developed on both sides?
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Mystery;635934 wrote: Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?


Appears to be two questions here.

A casual relationship implies not continuous. So yes, a relationship where two people meet occasionally, as the fancy takes them, for a touch of physical relief. It wouldn't suit me but I can imagine it.

A permanent relationship, two people living together full time just for sex with no emotional bond. Beyond a short period where lust over-rides all it would be so shallow that either an emotional element (positive or negative) would enter into the relationship or the people involved would have to have a totally fulfilling emotional life outside of the relationship and just come together (hopefully) for sex and hotel life.

Alternatively, they could be so emotionally suppressed that they cannot express their feeling at all?
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Mystery;635960 wrote: I'm thinking the same thing. I just don't think, well I suppose I can only speak for myself, but I just don't think it's possible. There was a time when it would have been easy, but as time goes by, emotions are more important.

Now, Suzy, do you think someone will get hurt inevitably, or what are the chances feelings can be developed on both sides?


In my experience, I thought we was having fun, liked him but knew it'd never be anything more for me. He turned into a nut nut, kept thinking I'd change my mind, kept telling me that you can learn to love. All I learnt was there never is such a thing as sex without feelings.
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Bryn Mawr;635962 wrote: Appears to be two questions here.

A casual relationship implies not continuous. So yes, a relationship where two people meet occasionally, as the fancy takes them, for a touch of physical relief. It wouldn't suit me but I can imagine it.

A permanent relationship, two people living together full time just for sex with no emotional bond. Beyond a short period where lust over-rides all it would be so shallow that either an emotional element (positive or negative) would enter into the relationship or the people involved would have to have a totally fulfilling emotional life outside of the relationship and just come together (hopefully) for sex and hotel life.

Alternatively, they could be so emotionally suppressed that they cannot express their feeling at all?


Okay, let me clarify. I'm talking about two friends, who have a steady friendship, no ties with other people (intimate ties I mean) who come together in a sexual relationship. No strings, or at least with the intentions of no strings. Can those two people exit this situation without hurt?

SuzyB;635963 wrote: In my experience, I thought we was having fun, liked him but knew it'd never be anything more for me. He turned into a nut nut, kept thinking I'd change my mind, kept telling me that you can learn to love. All I learnt was there never is such a thing as sex without feelings.


Okay, I see that can happen. Have you ever had the experience where you were the one, without the insanity part of course, that developed the feelings?

Better yet, how the hell do you disclose that sort of thing when you're terrified of ruining the friendship?
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i think women seem to want more :D





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happens every time :thinking:
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jimbo;635967 wrote: i think women seem to want more :D





one day having sex being mates all is fine, next day come home from work cooker on bunny boiling in the casserole dish





happens every time :thinking:


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Pinky;635972 wrote: Personally, although I see no harm in having a 'fun-friend' shall we say, I wouldn't go there with someone I already had a friendship with. It does change things, even though you think it won't. You already have a bond with them, so it kinda makes things complicated.

If you're going to go for a bit of fun, chose someone you don't already know. That way, if one of you happens to meet someone serious nobody gets hurt and no awkwardness remains within an existing friendship.


See, that's kind of what I'm thinking. Once the "boundaries" of any kind of relationship are set, it's hard to cross them, unless both parties are interested in crossing them for something more. Keeping it simple isn't always possible.
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Definitely possible but not full time. You have to be clear where the boundaries are and if you sense one of you getting more attached then you have to discuss it and be sure you stay on the same page.

I think that some people do maintain long term relationships like that but only if both people have other things going on that keep them busy. If one person is left waiting around for the other all the time then ultimately they will become dissatisfied.
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Mystery;635934 wrote: Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?


I don't think I could do it. In my opinion, even basic indifference or lack of concern is still a feeling. Many have disagreed with me on that opinion, though! As for sex with no emotions.... I think that'd be rather unsatisfying. Sadly, what usually ends up happening, is one develops feelings while the other does not.

Is it possible to have sex with no feelings? Sure. But I've always wondered how two people can be involved in such an intimate act and not care.
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Pinky;635984 wrote: I speak from experience here, honestly, don't go there! You'll be in for months of awkward pauses, making an effort not to notice each other in the same room and allsorts! It really isn't worth it.

However, a random bed-bud can be fun!


koan;636001 wrote: Definitely possible but not full time. You have to be clear where the boundaries are and if you sense one of you getting more attached then you have to discuss it and be sure you stay on the same page.

I think that some people do maintain long term relationships like that but only if both people have other things going on that keep them busy. If one person is left waiting around for the other all the time then ultimately they will become dissatisfied.


It just seems inevitable that harm will result in either scenario, unless feelings develop on both sides. Sort of a lose-lose situation.

laneybug;636025 wrote: I don't think I could do it. In my opinion, even basic indifference or lack of concern is still a feeling. Many have disagreed with me on that opinion, though! As for sex with no emotions.... I think that'd be rather unsatisfying. Sadly, what usually ends up happening, is one develops feelings while the other does not.

Is it possible to have sex with no feelings? Sure. But I've always wondered how two people can be involved in such an intimate act and not care.


I agree with you Laney, at least now I do, that sex cannot happen without feelings.
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Mystery;635934 wrote: Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?


Yes--------they can and do exist, but no longer than relationships where feelings and emotions are involved. Both exist for a while, but for different reasons.
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Mystery;635934 wrote: Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?


If you just shag the other party(s), yes. If you know anything at all about them, no - in which case, by definition, there isn't a relationship anyway!
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I had a sexual relationship with a close friend and I stopped it it when I started have feelings for him. After that I always felt uncomfortable in his company. We have remained friends but its not the same as it was. So the answer to the question.......no I dont think it works.
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SuzyB;635943 wrote: I don't think so, you have to like the person your having sex with, so inevitably feeling's become involved.

I have set out with those intentions before and it all went terribly wrong, someone always gets hurt.


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i suppose some people could do it but I couldn't. For one thing, I spend way too much time on ebay and at work.:-2
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Mystery;636062 wrote: It just seems inevitable that harm will result in either scenario, unless feelings develop on both sides. Sort of a lose-lose situation.



I agree with you Laney, at least now I do, that sex cannot happen without feelings.


oh, but it can.

lots of "harm" can result from relationships where there is feeling as well. I had one of these relationships right after my separation. I just wanted to feel like a desirable woman again. It worked. When he started asking for more I ended it.

I have since decided that having sex with someone I don't deeply care about degrades the act but earlier... it made me like sex again. Amazing how a bad marriage can make you forget that.
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koan;636280 wrote: oh, but it can.

lots of "harm" can result from relationships where there is feeling as well. I had one of these relationships right after my separation. I just wanted to feel like a desirable woman again. It worked. When he started asking for more I ended it.

I have since decided that having sex with someone I don't deeply care about degrades the act but earlier... it made me like sex again. Amazing how a bad marriage can make you forget that.


I should have added "At this point in my life sex can not happen without feelings..." .

Your last paragraph has a lot of meaning for me. Cause that also goes for a bad relationship, one that instills fear and failure into the deepest parts of you. It's difficult, in a way, to go from a bad relationship to a good one, because no matter what (and I can only speak for myself) some of that baggage goes with you. The act itself is just important today, it has meaning and it has purpose, and well, I suppose I've just grown up.
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Mystery;635934 wrote: Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?


I think it can on the mans side but a woman will either stop the relationship or want more from it. I myself can't have a relationship solely based on sex but when in a relationship I enjoy a lot of sex.
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Pinky;636830 wrote: I knew I should have been a bloke.:thinking: :D


Ha ha, I have the sex drive of one.
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Pinky;636977 wrote: I just don't think ALL women are emotional beings or have to have feelings in order to appreciate some good physical stuff. But then I'm a bit strange all round really.


No true, I am an all or nothing so my situation right now is really difficult.
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Mystery;635934 wrote: Do you think it's possible, really possible, to have a relationship based solely on sex? To keep feelings totally out of it, and not get emotionally tangled up? I suppose one way to word it is - Is a casual relationship really possible? Say you set out with those intentions, can it really last?


Is that what you really want?
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Pinky;636977 wrote: I just don't think ALL women are emotional beings or have to have feelings in order to appreciate some good physical stuff. But then I'm a bit strange all round really.


Are you suggesting that you're built like a baloon?

Odd, the photo's don't look that way :-)
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RedGlitter;637040 wrote: Is that what you really want?


No, it's not what I really want, which is what I'm finding out, the hard way.
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Mystery;637115 wrote: No, it's not what I really want, which is what I'm finding out, the hard way.


Oh. Yeah...

I had somebody who tried to do the "friends with benefits" thing with me. I thought I could handle it and thought I could sway him over to something more but I couldn't. He was a punkass kid anyway but that's not really the point. He told me one night right when things were getting heavy, "I like you Terri and I'm really attracted to you, but if I said I was in love with you, I'd be lying."

Don't think that didn't ream me.

It's just not worth it.

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RedGlitter;637116 wrote: Oh. Yeah...

I had somebody who tried to do the "friends with benefits" thing with me. I thought I could handle it and thought I could sway him over to something more but I couldn't. He was a punkass kid anyway but that's not really the point. He told me one night right when things were getting heavy, "I like you Terri and I'm really attracted to you, but if I said I was in love with you, I'd be lying."

Don't think that didn't ream me.

It's just not worth it.

My opinion.


Good Lord, he could've used a little more tact!
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The time I had the **** buddy arrangement we did decide we felt more for each other and decided to go for it but one night he turned to me and said "I love you but I don't know how I feel about your daughter."

:mad: :mad:

I would much rather have been told he didn't love me.

(that was the beginning of the quick end to the relationship, btw)
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Pinky;636977 wrote: I just don't think ALL women are emotional beings or have to have feelings in order to appreciate some good physical stuff.


I agree with you there!

But then I'm not a typical girl in any sense really.....:-3
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[quote=koan;637314]The time I had the **** buddy arrangement we did decide we felt more for each other and decided to go for it but one night he turned to me and said "I love you but I don't know how I feel about your daughter."

:mad: :mad:

I would much rather have been told he didn't love me.

(that was the beginning of the quick end to the relationship, btw)[/quote]

Gosh, I would hope so!

I suppose he was being honest but what a crappy thing to say. And feel. :mad:
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It's funny you asked that question. I'm in kind of a relationship like that right now. *BLUSH-BLUSH*

And I started out being fine with it. I figured I could date whomever I wanted, flirt with whomever I wanted, & still have the sexual satisfaction with 1 person exclusively. But without any sort of commitment, I find myself showing little signs of jealousy. And I don't like that. I'm an extremely independent person. How could I fall for someone without wanting to?? I'm still trying to stay non-emotional, but it's not easy at all. Part of me says run while you still can without getting too hurt... but the other part says stay & enjoy. I guess another part wants to believe he also has feelings for me, which I think in some way, he actually does. As someone else stated, there has to be something there, or you obviously wouldn't want to have sex with them.

I know with my guy, it's not just a roll & he's out the door. He stays, sometimes til after I leave for work or whatever I have to do. He also holds me. So, I'd say there's some feeling there. There's just no commitment, no relationship, other than sexual.

I can't believe I just admitted this!!!! No, I'm NOT promiscuous!!!
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observer1;637476 wrote:

I can't believe I just admitted this!!!! No, I'm NOT promiscuous!!!


That's part of the point of having a **** buddy. It keeps you from getting involved with other people just because you're lonely. That way you stay satisfied and can hold out for the right person.
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koan;637480 wrote: That's part of the point of having a **** buddy. It keeps you from getting involved with other people just because you're lonely. That way you stay satisfied and can hold out for the right person.


I told him he's my "dirty little secret", as the song goes. I call him my boytoy... he's a bit younger.
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observer1;637476 wrote: It's funny you asked that question. I'm in kind of a relationship like that right now. *BLUSH-BLUSH*

And I started out being fine with it. I figured I could date whomever I wanted, flirt with whomever I wanted, & still have the sexual satisfaction with 1 person exclusively. But without any sort of commitment, I find myself showing little signs of jealousy. And I don't like that. I'm an extremely independent person. How could I fall for someone without wanting to?? I'm still trying to stay non-emotional, but it's not easy at all. Part of me says run while you still can without getting too hurt... but the other part says stay & enjoy. I guess another part wants to believe he also has feelings for me, which I think in some way, he actually does. As someone else stated, there has to be something there, or you obviously wouldn't want to have sex with them.

I know with my guy, it's not just a roll & he's out the door. He stays, sometimes til after I leave for work or whatever I have to do. He also holds me. So, I'd say there's some feeling there. There's just no commitment, no relationship, other than sexual.

I can't believe I just admitted this!!!! No, I'm NOT promiscuous!!!


you just, basically, described my situation to a "t". That'd kind of eerie :-3 :D



And Koan, i'd have had a hard time not picking up the biggest thing I could have found and knocking hell out of that jerk!
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Mystery;637486 wrote: you just, basically, described my situation to a "t". That'd kind of eerie :-3 :D



And Koan, i'd have had a hard time not picking up the biggest thing I could have found and knocking hell out of that jerk!


I have a friend who has the same kind of "situation" as we do. She & hers are fine with the set-up. And it's been going on for quite a while.
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observer1;637502 wrote: I have a friend who has the same kind of "situation" as we do. She & hers are fine with the set-up. And it's been going on for quite a while.


Years ago, this kind of set up would have been fine with me too, but I'm finding now it's just not enough.
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I've finally come to the point in my life where I'm not looking for a husband or a new daddy for my daughter. I'm very comfortable in my own skin. I like my life & have more than enough to fill my time. So, I just figure, why not? Probably at some point, I'll change my mind again. But nobody's come along for quite a while who makes me weak at the knees, ya know?
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observer1;640218 wrote: I've finally come to the point in my life where I'm not looking for a husband or a new daddy for my daughter. I'm very comfortable in my own skin. I like my life & have more than enough to fill my time. So, I just figure, why not? Probably at some point, I'll change my mind again. But nobody's come along for quite a while who makes me weak at the knees, ya know?


Yep, that's one of my problems. Throughout allowing myself to heal from my last disaster disguised as a relationship, I realized how much I liked me, and I'm not altogether sure I'm ready to give up some of that independence and freedom. It's refreshing only having to consider my own opinions when making decisions.
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Mystery;640757 wrote: Yep, that's one of my problems. Throughout allowing myself to heal from my last disaster disguised as a relationship, I realized how much I liked me, and I'm not altogether sure I'm ready to give up some of that independence and freedom. It's refreshing only having to consider my own opinions when making decisions.


Are you sure we weren't separated at birth? As a matter of fact, I used to live in Mississippi!! ;)
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observer1;640829 wrote: Are you sure we weren't separated at birth? As a matter of fact, I used to live in Mississippi!! ;)


Ha, you never know! Do you mind telling me what part of Mississippi? I live only about 25 miles from the border. I actually cross over frequently, as my community is small and that's where we go to shop, etc.

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