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I have some definite opinions about this story and about weddings in general but I'll wait til you guys comment first. :D



In Defense of Greedy BridesThere's nothing wrong with asking for cash as a wedding gift.

By Daniel Gross

Posted Tuesday, June 12, 2007, at 10:00 AM ET Click here to read more from Slate's wedding issue.

Are brides too greedy?

Heather Warnken, Modern Bride's Bride of the Year, last week came in for a lot of grief courtesy of the Web site Gawker. Her sin? Heather and her fiance, Michael Vallarelli, are asking wedding guests to pay for their honeymoon by purchasing $8,250 in gift certificates from a registry at the St. Regis in Bora Bora. The couple was pilloried for being crass and mercenary.

But why? Asking people to give you cash, or registering for a vacation—rather than fine china—is perfectly in keeping with the traditional ethos of wedding gift-giving. In fact, for a host of psychological, economic, and even environmental reasons, it may be preferable to the old-fashioned way of wedding gifts.

In theory, gift-giving is an unselfish act aimed at meeting the needs and desires of others. But frequently, the act of giving is about the self-fulfillment of the giver. It's common for people to give a book they enjoyed, or a subscription to a magazine they like, or a gift certificate to a restaurant they love. Gift-giving is an occasion to show off your own impeccable taste. Giving presents is also a form of social control, especially when the presents are gift cards. The message: I'm giving you some money to spend, but you can spend it only at the place of my choosing. Presents and gift cards are both forms of donor-directed giving.

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But weddings are one of the few occasions at which recipient-directed giving is socially acceptable. The gift registry is a long and highly respected tradition. Soon after the engagement is announced the couple—OK, usually the bride and her mother—selects the tasteful, affordable home furnishings needed to set up a bourgeois household: linens, china, crystal, silverware, all sorts of stuff that a couple needs but might not have the discretionary money to buy. The registry is presented to gift-givers as a convenience. Don't bother scouring SoHo for something quirky. Forget about a sentimental object or, God forbid, a painting. Just buy us a few silver forks, or a gravy boat, or a blender—the ones we've chosen. This exercise, played out daily at Williams-Sonoma stores all over the nation, raises few hackles.

And a really nice trip—say a week at the St. Regis in Bora Bora—is simply another form of recipient-directed (Isn't that what he means, since it's on their registry?) giving. Sure, it's more evanescent: A honeymoon lasts a week while silverware lasts many lifetimes. And people like to think that the gift they give—that vase, or whatever—will stay in the couple's happy home for decades. Just as we try not to judge couples based on the recipient-directed gifts they put on their registry—most wedding guests will uncomplainingly buy silver even if they think the couple really should have gone with the Fairfax Sterling Silver Flatware by Gorham instead of the Malmaison Sterling & Silverplated Flatware by Christofle—we shouldn't judge couples if they prefer to register for experiences rather than objects. Instead of buying a place setting, Heather and Mike want their loved ones to buy them a few continental breakfasts.

In fact, you could argue that couples who register for trips are more evolved human beings than those who ask for a set of Baccarat tumblers. The emerging field of happiness studies teaches us that not all expenditures are created equally. Economist James Montier regularly shocks (subscription required) well-heeled audiences by telling them that buying things won't make them happier. As Leaf Van Boven of the University of Colorado and Thomas Gilovich of Cornell University put it in a fascinating paper, the good life "may be better lived by doing things than by having things." In surveys, they found that people report greater returns from experiences than from material goods. A Porsche can break down, or the enjoyment it brings can be reduced when your neighbor buys a more recent model. But memories of a fantastic trip age well, never go out of style, and can't be easily replicated by the jerk next door. Some consumers—they're called Transumers—are getting wise to this dichotomy. "What we truly want for our wedding is the opportunity to celebrate our marriage together on the trip of a lifetime," as Heather and Mike put it.

Finally, this mode of gift-giving is more environmentally friendly and economically efficient than the old-fashioned registry. Let's say you buy a friend a food processor off the Bloomingdale's registry. Labor, money, and energy are consumed as the food processor is wrapped, packed, shipped, and delivered. Then the happy couple must dispose of the packaging material—all that Styrofoam and nonbiodegradable plastic. This carbon-emitting process can be repeated dozens of times per wedding. By contrast, giving somebody cash, or resort credits, is a virtually frictionless transaction. The gift itself moves digitally. No funds are wasted on packaging or shipping. To be sure, jetting to Bora Bora involves burning copious amounts of jet fuel. But you can allay those concerns by purchasing carbon offsets for the environmentally conscious couple.

So, young lovers, don't let the haters at Gawker get you down. Register for a safari in South Africa, a Caribbean cruise, five days at a dude ranch, or for cold, hard cash!
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Wedding gifts, used to be items for the home, but nowadays most people are living together before they get married, so would have most things for the house anyway.

We went to a wedding last year and they requested gift vouchers, it didn't bother me in the slightest, saved me trawling the shops looking for a pressie.
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I'd rather give cash. Less hassle
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My first thought was, what ever happend to, a gift is welcomed but is not always required. The pleasure of the invited guest's company was the gift in itself! Over the years it seems somewhere along the line that custom and or way thinking kind of fell by the wayside. The outrageous costs of some of these weddings today is abserd! Don't get me wrong, if the couple & or their parents can afford $150,000-$200,000 or whatever, fine all's good, it's not really a burden for them. However, for a couple that can't afford to keep up with the "Jonesas" unless they go into extreme debt just to display a lavish wedding reception is prodigal. I guess I'm still from the old school of thinking.



After just contemplating my post, I am beginning to change my view. Since I guess it has been accepted for Brides to register at establishments of their choice. Allowing their guests to purchase gifts the Bride wants/needs. So in any event, the Bride would know how much the item costs that the guest bought. What's the difference if the Bride registered for gift vouchers, and or cash gifts, the Bride would still know how much was paid by the guests.

Many guests currently give cash gifts now anyway. I know I do, it's easier all around. And money fits all sizes & don't have to worry about colors! The Bride & Groom spend the money gifts on whatever they want. Honeymoon, downpayment on house, paying for Bail Bond,:D whatever!
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I was maid of honor in my oldest friend's wedding last September.

She dragged me to the bridal shop repeatedly, to a bridal convention (a sea of Bridezilla Stepford Wives dragging dazed fiances by the hand, it was a riot)

We shopped endlessly for the perfect dishes, perfect gravy boats (who uses gravy boats anymore?!) crap to decorate the tables with, flowers, cake, what vest the groom would wear, what ties the groomsmen would wear, yada yada yada.

I don't like weddings. I don't like unnecessary hoopla.

I just didn't care after a while.

And then...I got cornered into gifting her with $300 Swarovski champagne flutes with crystals filling their hollow stems.

I didn't have $300 but I still bought them for her.

By the time I paid for my gown, the bustier I had to wear with it, the undergarments, the nylons, the gloves, the painful shoes, the shoe dying, the haircut, perm, color and hairstyle, the lunches and dinners during these trips to Vegas to the bridal shop and mall, the evening bag, the special makeup, the fancy clothes for the rehearsal breakfast, and probably more stuff I've forgotten since, I was in for over $1500!!!! I was also dirt poor to start with.

And in the end, it was a wedding just like any other. Nothing special about it really. I am still paying off what I owe for it even now. I watched her collect over $20,000 from her parents and grandparents and she blew every last nickel on this damn farcical golf course wedding! Then a couple weeks later she had the gall to tell me she had a broken tooth but "didn't have any money" to go to the dentist. Yet she had a $3,000 engagement ring.

With all this shlepping off we had to do to numerous gift registries, I was starting to feel a little indignant. Where the hell was MY gift registry? Huh? The one for the SINGLE PEOPLE! Single people get screwed because we don't even get housewarmings anymore. We need new things too and nobody ever gives US anything! I told Bridezilla that and you know what she said to me?

"You can have my old dishes."

:-2

I said "I don't want your old dishes! I want nice NEW dishes! You know, like the ones YOU want people to buy for YOU!"

Thank God that wedding's done with and everything's back to normal.

I think asking or expecting guests to pay for your honeymoon or your wedding is gauche. It was your choice to get married, go where your budget takes you. It's not your guests fault that you can't afford Bora Bora, why should they pay for it?

It's your party, you're throwing it; do you expect people to pay your food bill when you invite them to your dinner party? You requested their company. Same with the wedding. You didn't put out all this lavish stuff for your guests. You put it out for yourselves, so your guests would be impressed by it. It's not their taste, it's yours.

If you already have toasters and blenders and all that crap and have all you need, then why expect a gift at all? You don't need anything, so why should people fork over their money for your whims? I'm sure not going to pay to send someone to honeymoon in Africa, not if I haven't even gone myself! Forget that!

You invite your guests to share in your joy. They only have to give you the stuff you need to start a home together. They don't have to finance your good times.

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I find nothing wrong with asking for money for a gift,as long as it is a reasonable asking amount.

I also think that it is asking too much of others to purchase you expensive wedding gifts that you would like or have put oh a wish list.When I went to do my bridal registry, I kept all the stuff I wanted with in a reasonable limit except one or 2 things.They each were more than $100.I knew I wouldn't get them and I did'nt,but it was fun to add them to the list just the same.

People do get greedy I think,but some people in my opinion,don't intend to be,but just get carried away with the excitement of the moment.
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RedGlitter;638564 wrote: I was maid of honor in my oldest friend's wedding last September.

She dragged me to the bridal shop repeatedly, to a bridal convention (a sea of Bridezilla Stepford Wives dragging dazed fiances by the hand, it was a riot)

We shopped endlessly for the perfect dishes, perfect gravy boats (who uses gravy boats anymore?!) crap to decorate the tables with, flowers, cake, what vest the groom would wear, what ties the groomsmen would wear, yada yada yada.



I don't like weddings. I don't like unnecessary hoopla.

I just didn't care after a while.



And then...I got cornered into gifting her with $300 Swarovski champagne flutes with crystals filling their hollow stems.



I didn't have $300 but I still bought them for her.



By the time I paid for my gown, the bustier I had to wear with it, the undergarments, the nylons, the gloves, the painful shoes, the shoe dying, the haircut, perm, color and hairstyle, the lunches and dinners during these trips to Vegas to the bridal shop and mall, the evening bag, the special makeup, the fancy clothes for the rehearsal breakfast, and probably more stuff I've forgotten since, I was in for over $1500!!!! I was also dirt poor to start with.



And in the end, it was a wedding just like any other. Nothing special about it really. I am still paying off what I owe for it even now. I watched her collect over $20,000 from her parents and grandparents and she blew every last nickel on this damn farcical golf course wedding! Then a couple weeks later she had the gall to tell me she had a broken tooth but "didn't have any money" to go to the dentist. Yet she had a $3,000 engagement ring.



With all this shlepping off we had to do to numerous gift registries, I was starting to feel a little indignant. Where the hell was MY gift registry? Huh? The one for the SINGLE PEOPLE! Single people get screwed because we don't even get housewarmings anymore. We need new things too and nobody ever gives US anything! I told Bridezilla that and you know what she said to me?



"You can have my old dishes."



:-2



I said "I don't want your old dishes! I want nice NEW dishes! You know, like the ones YOU want people to buy for YOU!"



Thank God that wedding's done with and everything's back to normal.



I think asking or expecting guests to pay for your honeymoon or your wedding is gauche. It was your choice to get married, go where your budget takes you. It's not your guests fault that you can't afford Bora Bora, why should they pay for it?



It's your party, you're throwing it; do you expect people to pay your food bill when you invite them to your dinner party? You requested their company. Same with the wedding. You didn't put out all this lavish stuff for your guests. You put it out for yourselves, so your guests would be impressed by it. It's not their taste, it's yours.



If you already have toasters and blenders and all that crap and have all you need, then why expect a gift at all? You don't need anything, so why should people fork over their money for your whims? I'm sure not going to pay to send someone to honeymoon in Africa, not if I haven't even gone myself! Forget that!

You invite your guests to share in your joy. They only have to give you the stuff you need to start a home together. They don't have to finance your good times.



I vote for the toaster.


Many of your views agree with the beginning of my previous post.



Many of your other views here are valid also. Voting for the toaster is absolutely fine & a good one!



But think of how much easier it would be to just "click it off in a registery". Then to have to shop for it, buy it, carry it home, gift wrap it or have it wrapped, store it till the wedding, then finally carry it to the wedding itself.
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Asking for money is rude-a gift is whatever that person choses to give you. My daughter is getting married this summer. She does have items selected on a bridal registry, but doesn't expect every selection to be fulfilled. In fact, her grandmother had to make her sign up for it, since shes asked for nothing, but their presence at her wedding. She had her bridal shower last week, and was overwhelmed with how many lovely gifts she received.
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The last two weddings I gave this for its symbolism.

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Nomad;639272 wrote: The last two weddings I gave this for its symbolism.




After that gets around, that'll be the last wedding you're invited to!:D

Guess your plan worked!!! :p :wah:
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RedGlitter;638564 wrote:

By the time I paid for my gown, the bustier I had to wear with it, the undergarments, the nylons, the gloves, the painful shoes, the shoe dying, the haircut, perm, color and hairstyle, the lunches and dinners during these trips to Vegas to the bridal shop and mall, the evening bag, the special makeup, the fancy clothes for the rehearsal breakfast, and probably more stuff I've forgotten since, I was in for over $1500!!!! I was also dirt poor to start with.








I found this quite shocking, the bride & groom pay for bridesmaids dress, make up, hair ect here, we also pay for hire of kilts, suits for the best man & ushers ect. Further to that its quite common for the couple getting married to pay for hotel rooms for family members travelling a great distance or who are elderly.

Nomad;639272 wrote: The last two weddings I gave this for its symbolism.




Perfectly acceptable gift i would have thought ;)

Any wedding i have ever attended i have never used a gift list nor would i, i actually find it quite offensive to be told what i have to buy. I do buy quite expensive gifts when i attend weddings but its my choice what i give. You ask people to attend to share your day not because you want something from them but that you want them to be there surely?
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