Death penalty is wrong

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:24 pm

In America you have the death penalty. This barbaric sentencing is way out of line. Taking the life of a human being is wrong no matter what they are acused of. For one thing the courts get things wrong from time to time. Locking someone up for the rest of their life is more punishing than ending it. As for sex perverts, castrate them and put them in jail for the rest of their days.

Musiclover89 · Post by **Musiclover89** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:26 pm

A Touchy Subject i think the Death Penalty should be used but only one the very serious crimes and the not so serious i mean i know all Crimes are serious things but their is some that go way overboard

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:26 pm

Ive always thought this but lately Im rethinking it.

I still think its hypocritical but the blunt evil in the world is mind bending.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:31 pm

maccat;652648 wrote: In America you have the death penalty. This barbaric sentencing is way out of line. Taking the life of a human being is wrong no matter what they are acused of. For one thing the courts get things wrong from time to time. Locking someone up for the rest of their life is more punishing than ending it. As for sex perverts, castrate them and put them in jail for the rest of their days.

I understand where you are coming from, but I say take them out!!

Child molesters should be castrated first without anaesthetic, then put to death.

Why put up with it? Society has become too soft on criminals.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:42 pm

an eye for an eye for me.

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:50 pm

Soberano;652674 wrote: I wish we had it.I dont,

Although, i could have willingly tore the guy who raped & murdered his 3 year old niece's bollocks off with my teeth

........................and enjoyed doing it!

DelicateDominatrix · Post by **DelicateDominatrix** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:58 pm

The death penalty is definately a touchy subject for sure.I think it should be used for severe criminal cases.It's just a strong punishment,but consider what that person did to deserve that punishment.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:59 pm

maccat;652648 wrote: In America you have the death penalty. This barbaric sentencing is way out of line. Taking the life of a human being is wrong no matter what they are acused of. For one thing the courts get things wrong from time to time. Locking someone up for the rest of their life is more punishing than ending it. As for sex perverts, castrate them and put them in jail for the rest of their days.

You are only partly right. The U.S has 14 states that do not have a Death Penalty. There is no national death penalty and it's really up to each individual state to decide for themselves.

As for me-------I am opposed to the death penalty and this is a change of heart from what I felt just 10 years ago. My change of heart has nothing to do with religious conviction, but more of a belief that depriving someone of their freedom for the rest of their life is a better punishment. When you execute the prisoner, that's it, finito, no more. Dying by injection or even hanging or the firing squad is not really a punishment in my opinion. I would really prefer solitary for some of these folks and would like to deprive them of certain liberties that are afforded them in some prisons, but, just a loss of freedom can make a person pretty miserable.

KB. · Post by **KB.** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:24 pm

Animals get used to cages eventually.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:17 pm

maccat;652648 wrote: In America you have the death penalty. This barbaric sentencing is way out of line. Taking the life of a human being is wrong no matter what they are acused of. For one thing the courts get things wrong from time to time. Locking someone up for the rest of their life is more punishing than ending it. As for sex perverts, castrate them and put them in jail for the rest of their days.
To me it's not about punishment. If the public is in mortal danger and there is no hope for rehabilitation, there's no point in keeping the criminal around.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:29 pm

Rent the movie The Exonorated. About 7 different prisoners wrongly accused, and sentenced to the death penalty.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:07 am

weeder;652717 wrote: Rent the movie The Exonorated. About 7 different prisoners wrongly accused, and sentenced to the death penalty.

live my life where my brother was beaten to death and the scum suckin bastard will be free by the time he is 28

the same age sam was when he was killed

hang em

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:21 am

maccat;652648 wrote: In America you have the death penalty. This barbaric sentencing is way out of line. Taking the life of a human being is wrong no matter what they are acused of. For one thing the courts get things wrong from time to time. Locking someone up for the rest of their life is more punishing than ending it. As for sex perverts, castrate them and put them in jail for the rest of their days.

I thinkyou ought to try saying this to someone who has there child mudered .You say locking them up for the rest of there lifes is punishing them ,but if i was a parent of a mudrerd child knowing that the murder was still alive ,would not be enough for me.

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:22 am

If any of us were sitting on death row for a crime we didn't comit would we believe in the death penalty? I think not

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:39 am

maccat;652832 wrote: If any of us were sitting on death row for a crime we didn't comit would we believe in the death penalty? I think not

but with a dozen eye witness

maccat i dont know you

and i pray you will never know the pain of seeing a loved one beaten to death by a thug with a chair

who showed no remorse pleaded not guilty showed no sadness for the life he took

for the children left without a parent

a mother who is left without her youngest son never to be the same again

i have seen things no one should ever see

im sorry and am not being nasty to you so please dont take it that way

but ya looking threw rose tinted glasses

the us system of the death penalty is the way to go 20 years death row then to the chair

if you are innocent 20years ya will prove it

a eye for am eye

sam would have been 31 on the 28th of june

rest in peace

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:57 am

el quapo, sorry on hearing of your experiences. Your idea of 20 years on death row, i go along with. Any wrongful accused should be corrected by then. And a lenghy jail term is what im all for.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:21 am

el guapo;652841 wrote: but with a dozen eye witness

maccat i dont know you

and i pray you will never know the pain of seeing a loved one beaten to death by a thug with a chair

who showed no remorse pleaded not guilty showed no sadness for the life he took

for the children left without a parent

a mother who is left without her youngest son never to be the same again

i have seen things no one should ever see

im sorry and am not being nasty to you so please dont take it that way

but ya looking threw rose tinted glasses

the us system of the death penalty is the way to go 20 years death row then to the chair

if you are innocent 20years ya will prove it

a eye for am eye

sam would have been 31 on the 28th of june

rest in peace

sorry to read such a tragic thing to have happened RIP sam xx:-1

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:07 am

neffy;652879 wrote: sorry to read such a tragic thing to have happened RIP sam xx:-1

have not told ya a tenth of it

Ali. · Post by **Ali.** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:10 am

Thing about keeping them in jail for life is everybody has to pay for them, its not cheap to keep a prisoner.If its without a doubt and with D&A test nowadays surley they can get it right.People like Charles Manson why keep him alive hes a drain on society and his like, they should all be put down.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:18 am

el guapo;652923 wrote: have not told ya a tenth of it

well if you want to tell me the rest pm me anytime x

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:21 am

What about the the 2 little girls that god murderd in cambridge in 2000,it was the caretaker of the school.These little girls trusted him,they have prove that he done it,so i think he should be hung.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:23 am

I have always waivered back and forth on how I feel about the death penalty. I think it is barbaric, I could never be the one to pull the switch, or give the injection. I worry about those wrongly accused because the legal system is not perfect. Then when my thoughts move on to crimes committed by the likes of Charles Manson or Ted Bundy... I know they have to die. Monsters like them should never be permitted to walk around amongst people again. In the case of having a child or loved one murdered, I cannott even begin to imagine the pain, and the anger. If anyone ever hurt one of my children or grandchildren... I have always felt that I would be capable of killing the murderer myself... with no fear of imprisonment, as I would no longer care about living. But then, I dont know.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:28 am

weeder;652936 wrote: I have always waivered back and forth on how I feel about the death penalty. I think it is barbaric, I could never be the one to pull the switch, or give the injection. I worry about those wrongly accused because the legal system is not perfect. Then when my thoughts move on to crimes committed by the likes of Charles Manson or Ted Bundy... I know they have to die. Monsters like them should never be permitted to walk around amongst people again. In the case of having a child or loved one murdered, I cannott even begin to imagine the pain, and the anger. If anyone ever hurt one of my children or grandchildren... I have always felt that I would be capable of killing the murderer myself... with no fear of imprisonment, as I would no longer care about living. But then, I dont know.

i have always said if anyone harmed my daughter in any way i would be quite happy to spend the rest of my life in prison.And i can put my habd on my heart and mean it

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:38 am

I know it's barbaric and kind of archaic even. However so are the crimes it avenges. As long as we have murderers and rapists we should be able to take them out. I would prefer to see it done by the victim's family or the victim themself but people think I'm a weirdo when they hear me say that.

neffy · Post by **neffy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:44 am

RedGlitter;652950 wrote: I know it's barbaric and kind of archaic even. However so are the crimes it avenges. As long as we have murderer and rapists we shoudl be able to take them out. I would prefer to see it done by the victim's family or the victim themself but people think I'm a weirdo when they hear me say that.

i AGREE Red in the middle east they do that if you have murdered the law says that a member of famly can hang them fair play

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:55 am

I dont think evil can ever be rehabilitated, if fiddling with little girls or slowly torturing someone is your thing, it will always be your thing.

In the case of those people - yeah i'm all for the death sentance.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:55 am

RedGlitter;652950 wrote: I know it's barbaric and kind of archaic even. However so are the crimes it avenges. As long as we have murderers and rapists we should be able to take them out. I would prefer to see it done by the victim's family or the victim themself but people think I'm a weirdo when they hear me say that.

I agree with you 100%

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:02 am

There would be more fear of retribution if sickos felt that they were fair game of the families of victims.. Another problem with the courts handing killers is the way money or power can often buy freedom. Example is the case of OJ Simpson. There have been so many cases where I have said.." Gee, if that were me... Id have been dead months ago. There is this great book Rage of Angels. I was a Sydney Sheldon fan for many years , long ago.

I never forgot the book.. This hot shot female attorney gets this killer off. Knowing that he was a killer. She did it because the law had become a game. It was all about winning, not whether or not the person was guilty. So anyway.... she gets him off to prove how good she is, and he turns around anf kidnaps her little girl.

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:25 am

It would be a good idea to allow victims families to decide on an accused's guilt. And dish out punishment they feel appropriate

SuzyB · Post by **SuzyB** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:35 am

maccat;653055 wrote: It would be a good idea to allow victims families to decide on an accused's guilt. And dish out punishment they feel appropriate

That would put a heck of a responsibility on the family, when you read how some people have forgiven people that have killed their relations, it does make you wonder, I mean if you'd of asked them folks when the crime had been committed, surely most people would want to kill them with their bare hands, yet they have found something in themselves to try and forgive, many people that have done that, have said they couldn't live a life full of hate. If they dished out a punishment, having that responsibility could ruin the rest of their lives.

I could never forgive and I find it strange people that do, they are a better person than I.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:37 am

SuzyB;653068 wrote:

I could never forgive and I find it strange people that do, they are a better person than I.

I don't know about better....I just think they're weird and kinda lame.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:02 am

Having the victims family decide the punishment - not a bad idea.

I would throughly enjoy having the authority/decision of punishment for the 2 men who strangled my Nephew.

If I had that authority I would still want them to rot in prison - after I had a chance to beat the F--- out of them..

I wouldn't want them sentenced to death - I want them to rot..

Patsy

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:22 am

Patsy Warnick, thats my thought's exactly. Leaving a person in jail for the rest of their natural life is more punishing than instant death.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:47 am

What about the cost to house prisoners?

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:51 am

The cost

Thats the price we pay to get scum off the streets

I want these two to bend over and be someone...

Patsy

SlipStream · Post by **SlipStream** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:16 am

maccat;653105 wrote: Patsy Warnick, thats my thought's exactly. Leaving a person in jail for the rest of their natural life is more punishing than instant death.

agree but it cost us.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:24 am

The avarage cost of keeping a prisoner in jail in the UK for a year is £17,000 approximately 70,000 people are in prison in the UK.

source http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _111030396

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:38 am

Buttercup

If you've had a family member murdered - you'd want them to rot in hell

Trust me - the death penalty is too easy.

I want them to rot. I want a billboard with their picture on it annoucing the rot..

Patsy

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:43 am

Patsy i dont think you realise how easy they have it in prison nowardays. Its true to say if i had a family member murdered i'd want the person to rot in hell but seeing as there is no hell to rot in the death sentance would do nicely.

In quoting the figures to you i'm just looking at the bigger picture, where the money could be better spent. If a member of my family is taken from me i'd rather a hospital or school built than paying for their murderer to watch tv, oh did i mention they have dvd's, games rooms, gym's. Not exactly rotting is it?

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:53 am

I'm all for the death penalty. Buttercup is right, prison isn't prison, it's a permanent vacation. :-5

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:59 am

Death comes to us all and isn't a punishment just by bringing it forward. Some jails are cushy yes, but taken away someones freedom, depriving them of a relationship with the opposite sex or the ability to have children. Taking away all the special things innocent people enjoy. well to me thats punishment and they will suffer more pain that way than simply terminating their life.

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:09 am

TV - as a group - a smelly group watches 1 TV

Other prisoners abuse others - Thats not a vacation - thats not luxury

No outside - very little fresh air - bologna & water

No family - no freedoms - some totally isolated

so they get to see a lousy movie - no hope - no future - nothing

they can rot.

Patsy

maccat · Post by **maccat** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:13 am

Patsy Warnick, my view entirely. That,s living hell to me. Death carried out in the humane manner it is wouldn't be punishment

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:32 am

maccat;653191 wrote: Patsy Warnick, my view entirely. That,s living hell to me. Death carried out in the humane manner it is wouldn't be punishment

if life ment life it would apeas me

but with sat tv dvds gyms

fancy dinners do gooder worrying about there human rights

lock them in a cell basic food

let out of there cell to work for there keep then back in

with the death penalty

ya had less attacks on kids police women and all who have done nothing wrong

sparky is a true friend

roll on 3

pinkchick · Post by **pinkchick** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:04 pm

As far as I'm concerned - A person has no right to live if he/she takes someone else's lfe.

And a life sentence should be EXACTLY that!! None of this getting out after 3 years for "good behaviour" :-5 :-5

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:30 pm

The DP isn't just about "punishment." (I prefer to say revenge.)

It's about ensuring they never do it again.

Besides in this way it IS a wors epunishment than prison: we have committed the ultimate "take"- we have taken what is supremely theirs- their life. They will have to pay once they get where they're going. I don't buy for a minute that it's not going to be hard on them.

Ali. · Post by **Ali.** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:33 pm

Pinky I agree. We have people in jail here thats guilty without a doubt.One guy and his wife lured young girls into there car and tortured them then killed them.One of them got away and thats hoe the where caught.He the low life raped a young man in jail. The authoraties did nothing,then one day they found him hanging in his cell,Oh the joy one less bastard to keep.If there is any doubt give them lifr if not get rid of the scum.