Does anyone here live where curfews for kids still exist?
Some years back they were talking about implementing one in my town but fortunately it went down.
There will always be people who say "kids have no need to be out past [insert time here]" but I say what if you just want to take a walk and clear your head? Where does anyone get off restricting another's freedom of movement just because they're of a certain age?
What's your take?
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Of course there needs to be curfews. What good can come of a bunch of teenage kids out till all hours of the night.
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Here in the UK we have curfews for criminals. Its the courts way of keeping them off the streets during the late hours.
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Where I live, kids (and I'm meaning teenagers) aren't allowed out after 11 during the week and 12 on the weekends, but that's not really enforced. Personally, I see the good in that - not only does it keep them off the streets at that time of night, but it also helps to protect them. Now, all that said, I never paid attention to those curfews in my misguided youth, and never once got told by anyone of authority to get off the streets. I did have a curfew to be home by though, and while I generally did make it there, I also generally left again, erm, without permission.
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Mystery;671900 wrote: Where I live, kids (and I'm meaning teenagers) aren't allowed out after 11 during the week and 12 on the weekends, but that's not really enforced. Personally, I see the good in that - not only does it keep them off the streets at that time of night, but it also helps to protect them. Now, all that said, I never paid attention to those curfews in my misguided youth, and never once got told by anyone of authority to get off the streets. I did have a curfew to be home by though, and while I generally did make it there, I also generally left again, erm, without permission.
god mystery i wish we had that here where i live,every nite we have tons of teenagers just hanging about,sometime up to 3 in the morning,i once let my 2 rotties out that soon got rid of the crowd,but in saying this alot of them loved the boys and we all had good chat
god mystery i wish we had that here where i live,every nite we have tons of teenagers just hanging about,sometime up to 3 in the morning,i once let my 2 rotties out that soon got rid of the crowd,but in saying this alot of them loved the boys and we all had good chat
The rottie queen
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neffy;671904 wrote: god mystery i wish we had that here where i live,every nite we have tons of teenagers just hanging about,sometime up to 3 in the morning,i once let my 2 rotties out that soon got rid of the crowd,but in saying this alot of them loved the boys and we all had good chat
The idea of it is a good one, but unfortunately it doesn't do much good. The LEO's would have to actually enforce the curfew. There are some streets, even in my small town, you don't drive down after dark, because of that. It's unfortunate really.
The idea of it is a good one, but unfortunately it doesn't do much good. The LEO's would have to actually enforce the curfew. There are some streets, even in my small town, you don't drive down after dark, because of that. It's unfortunate really.
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RedGlitter;671843 wrote: Does anyone here live where curfews for kids still exist?
Some years back they were talking about implementing one in my town but fortunately it went down.
There will always be people who say "kids have no need to be out past [insert time here]" but I say what if you just want to take a walk and clear your head? Where does anyone get off restricting another's freedom of movement just because they're of a certain age?
What's your take?
Kids as young as 10 getting drunk,running around town smashing windows ,wrecking cars,punching & robbing older people.
:-63 cheers for restricting the poor hard done by little darlings:-6
Some years back they were talking about implementing one in my town but fortunately it went down.
There will always be people who say "kids have no need to be out past [insert time here]" but I say what if you just want to take a walk and clear your head? Where does anyone get off restricting another's freedom of movement just because they're of a certain age?
What's your take?
Kids as young as 10 getting drunk,running around town smashing windows ,wrecking cars,punching & robbing older people.
:-63 cheers for restricting the poor hard done by little darlings:-6
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The bottom line is ultimately discipline. Most people have it but some don't. But I don't think ALL kids/teenagers should be curfewed because some don't have it. That would be as effective as curfewing all ADULTS because some of them lack discipline too!!
The best way to get discipline is to give a choice & have consequences for choosing the right thing & the wrong thing. But that begs the harder question of who should decide where the boundries begin & end. And the even harder problem of enforcement.
Why do some teenagers go off the rails? Is it because they feel society has let them down? Is it because they feel society doesn't value them? Is it because in this modern day & age we don't need millions of unskilled people & basically don't know what to do with them? And isn't the easiest way to show you're pissed off with your place in society to disrupt that society. Well it gets a respect of sorts.
The best way to get discipline is to give a choice & have consequences for choosing the right thing & the wrong thing. But that begs the harder question of who should decide where the boundries begin & end. And the even harder problem of enforcement.
Why do some teenagers go off the rails? Is it because they feel society has let them down? Is it because they feel society doesn't value them? Is it because in this modern day & age we don't need millions of unskilled people & basically don't know what to do with them? And isn't the easiest way to show you're pissed off with your place in society to disrupt that society. Well it gets a respect of sorts.
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Wow, where do y'all live that you have drunken children running amok? :wah:
No, I still think it's an infringement on personal freedom and even kids deserve to have personal freedom.
After all, we don't curfew the adults who behave poorly, so why do that to kids, punishing the good with the bad? As fro parental curfews, I don't mind those. Parents should know where there kids are at and when they're due home. But let the city decide on that and my blood starts getting hot.
No, I still think it's an infringement on personal freedom and even kids deserve to have personal freedom.
After all, we don't curfew the adults who behave poorly, so why do that to kids, punishing the good with the bad? As fro parental curfews, I don't mind those. Parents should know where there kids are at and when they're due home. But let the city decide on that and my blood starts getting hot.
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RedGlitter;671843 wrote: Does anyone here live where curfews for kids still exist?
Some years back they were talking about implementing one in my town but fortunately it went down.
There will always be people who say "kids have no need to be out past [insert time here]" but I say what if you just want to take a walk and clear your head? Where does anyone get off restricting another's freedom of movement just because they're of a certain age? Similar problems different accents.
What's your take?
They were introduced in Hamilton Scotland to try and deal with problems caused by groups of youths etc running around. You might find this of interest.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1468194.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2454205.stm
http://www.cjscotland.org.uk/index.php/ ... ton_curfew
Was the CSI successful? Well, that depends. It wasn't successful in creating good relationships between young people and the police. As a 12 year old, I felt I was being punished without doing anything wrong, I felt the police were merely interested in gaining credible statistics, collecting names and addresses to show how many young people they had 'protected'.
The CSI was successful in increasing the fear of crime in the initiative areas. Residents suddenly found their area discussed on television as 'rife with crime' and 'dangerous'. The Scottish Executive's evaluation of the first 6 months of the initiative included a survey which revealed that more people said they would avoid Hillhouse after the CSI began than before. This report argues that this may be the result of high media coverage fuelling perceptions of risk. Stuart Waiton also argues that the CSI "only increased fear and paranoia among adults about their own area."
Importantly, the CSI wasn't successful in convincing anyone of its achievements. 9 years after the Hamilton curfew was introduced, no other area in Scotland has asked to introduce such an initiative. And in England and Wales, laws were passed in 2000 which allowed local councils to impose curfew orders on children up to the age of 15; yet no local authority has applied.
Teenagers need their own space-used to be you could congregate play football etc, now all the councils have sold the pitches for houses and anyone kicking a ball around in a housing estate is likely to have someone complain to the police. Skating in the park or riding a bike in the streets has folk complaining as well.
Jjoining a sports centre needs money and is sold as a lifestyle thing. and if you don't have much to begin with is a lluxury few parents can afford. So if you live in an inner city with little access to open spaces hanging around street corners is all you can do. Just chasing them home is not a solution-how many parents have homes that can accommodate their kids and all their friends if they want to come round.
There is a lot of hypocrisy around this. When I was growing up gang warfare was rife just being in the wrong area could get you chibbed, personally I think things have improved a lot. There is a certain irony about ageing hippies, rockers, mods and punks complaining combining with new romantics to complain about the youth of today.
Both parents working is hardly a new phenomenon either nor are single parents and couples splitting up. The vast majority of kids are OK.
Some years back they were talking about implementing one in my town but fortunately it went down.
There will always be people who say "kids have no need to be out past [insert time here]" but I say what if you just want to take a walk and clear your head? Where does anyone get off restricting another's freedom of movement just because they're of a certain age? Similar problems different accents.
What's your take?
They were introduced in Hamilton Scotland to try and deal with problems caused by groups of youths etc running around. You might find this of interest.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1468194.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2454205.stm
http://www.cjscotland.org.uk/index.php/ ... ton_curfew
Was the CSI successful? Well, that depends. It wasn't successful in creating good relationships between young people and the police. As a 12 year old, I felt I was being punished without doing anything wrong, I felt the police were merely interested in gaining credible statistics, collecting names and addresses to show how many young people they had 'protected'.
The CSI was successful in increasing the fear of crime in the initiative areas. Residents suddenly found their area discussed on television as 'rife with crime' and 'dangerous'. The Scottish Executive's evaluation of the first 6 months of the initiative included a survey which revealed that more people said they would avoid Hillhouse after the CSI began than before. This report argues that this may be the result of high media coverage fuelling perceptions of risk. Stuart Waiton also argues that the CSI "only increased fear and paranoia among adults about their own area."
Importantly, the CSI wasn't successful in convincing anyone of its achievements. 9 years after the Hamilton curfew was introduced, no other area in Scotland has asked to introduce such an initiative. And in England and Wales, laws were passed in 2000 which allowed local councils to impose curfew orders on children up to the age of 15; yet no local authority has applied.
Teenagers need their own space-used to be you could congregate play football etc, now all the councils have sold the pitches for houses and anyone kicking a ball around in a housing estate is likely to have someone complain to the police. Skating in the park or riding a bike in the streets has folk complaining as well.
Jjoining a sports centre needs money and is sold as a lifestyle thing. and if you don't have much to begin with is a lluxury few parents can afford. So if you live in an inner city with little access to open spaces hanging around street corners is all you can do. Just chasing them home is not a solution-how many parents have homes that can accommodate their kids and all their friends if they want to come round.
There is a lot of hypocrisy around this. When I was growing up gang warfare was rife just being in the wrong area could get you chibbed, personally I think things have improved a lot. There is a certain irony about ageing hippies, rockers, mods and punks complaining combining with new romantics to complain about the youth of today.
Both parents working is hardly a new phenomenon either nor are single parents and couples splitting up. The vast majority of kids are OK.
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RedGlitter;672076 wrote: Wow, where do y'all live that you have drunken children running amok? :wah:
No, I still think it's an infringement on personal freedom and even kids deserve to have personal freedom.
After all, we don't curfew the adults who behave poorly, so why do that to kids, punishing the good with the bad? As fro parental curfews, I don't mind those. Parents should know where there kids are at and when they're due home. But let the city decide on that and my blood starts getting hot.
I live where the kids run wild around the streets,DRUNK & their parents are sitting in parks getting drunk as well.
Not very nice to see.
The kids need a curfew but it doesn't work because the parents are drunk as well.
And it is all to do with being political correct & not wanting to say things about different races.
By the way I belong to the race that is allowing their kids to run wild,so no I am not a racist.
My people need help & if it is by having curfews than so be it.
Have you ever seen a 10 year old so drunk he is nearly in a coma?
No, I still think it's an infringement on personal freedom and even kids deserve to have personal freedom.
After all, we don't curfew the adults who behave poorly, so why do that to kids, punishing the good with the bad? As fro parental curfews, I don't mind those. Parents should know where there kids are at and when they're due home. But let the city decide on that and my blood starts getting hot.
I live where the kids run wild around the streets,DRUNK & their parents are sitting in parks getting drunk as well.
Not very nice to see.
The kids need a curfew but it doesn't work because the parents are drunk as well.
And it is all to do with being political correct & not wanting to say things about different races.
By the way I belong to the race that is allowing their kids to run wild,so no I am not a racist.
My people need help & if it is by having curfews than so be it.
Have you ever seen a 10 year old so drunk he is nearly in a coma?