President Bush bans Irish Nationalist Republicans and Unionists from the St Patrick's Day celebrations at the Whitehouse. President Bush decided to bar the nationalist republicans because they have been linked to the Northern Ireland Bank raid robbery and other IRA crime. Also included in the ban are, all Unionists Parties of Ulster Northern Ireland and the SDLP.
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capt_buzzard wrote: President Bush bans Irish Nationalist Republicans and Unionists from the St Patrick's Day celebrations at the Whitehouse. President Bush decided to bar the nationalist republicans because they have been linked to the Northern Ireland Bank raid robbery and other IRA crime. Also included in the ban are, all Unionists Parties of Ulster Northern Ireland and the SDLP.
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Not sure how I should respond to this as both sides have legitimate gripes. Bush has to take a stand, especially in promoting his current agenda of anit-terrorism, but at the same time, it is most always dangerous to begin clumping a entire group or people into a small and tightly fitted pre-determined catagory. What is your solution Capt? Should there be a panel that determines each individual case or invite to the Whitehouse on an individual basis across the world or should there be simple and general rules of thumb to follow? Clearly I don't think the Bush administration is too concerned with this being an important issue to give any reasonable amount of time to (sorry, but true) thus eliminating a panel to decide what individuals meet the criteria of their home-party and those who don't. Just my thoughts.
Peace.
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Not sure how I should respond to this as both sides have legitimate gripes. Bush has to take a stand, especially in promoting his current agenda of anit-terrorism, but at the same time, it is most always dangerous to begin clumping a entire group or people into a small and tightly fitted pre-determined catagory. What is your solution Capt? Should there be a panel that determines each individual case or invite to the Whitehouse on an individual basis across the world or should there be simple and general rules of thumb to follow? Clearly I don't think the Bush administration is too concerned with this being an important issue to give any reasonable amount of time to (sorry, but true) thus eliminating a panel to decide what individuals meet the criteria of their home-party and those who don't. Just my thoughts.
Peace.
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Does anybody else besides me think it's ironic that movies like, "Oceans 11" and "The Italian Job" glorify robberies, but when someone does it for real, we are all incensed?
So Capt...let me get this straight, first all the Arabs are Terrorists, now all the Irish are terrorists too? And our Repblican President just banned a bunch of Republicans?!! This is geting hard to follow.
Just so I'll understand, can you explain exactly why this decision was so bad?
Who are the Nationalist Republicans (in a nutshell) and what do they stand for?
Who are the Unionists and what's their crusade?
And who are the guys with just an ancronym for a name... the SDLP?
So Capt...let me get this straight, first all the Arabs are Terrorists, now all the Irish are terrorists too? And our Repblican President just banned a bunch of Republicans?!! This is geting hard to follow.
Just so I'll understand, can you explain exactly why this decision was so bad?
Who are the Nationalist Republicans (in a nutshell) and what do they stand for?
Who are the Unionists and what's their crusade?
And who are the guys with just an ancronym for a name... the SDLP?
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Jives wrote: Just so I'll understand, can you explain exactly why this decision was so bad?
Who are the Nationalist Republicans (in a nutshell) and what do they stand for?
Who are the Unionists and what's their crusade?
And who are the guys with just an ancronym for a name... the SDLP?
BAD??? "Who are the (snip)?" - ???? Good Lord.
Who are the Nationalist Republicans (in a nutshell) and what do they stand for?
Who are the Unionists and what's their crusade?
And who are the guys with just an ancronym for a name... the SDLP?
BAD??? "Who are the (snip)?" - ???? Good Lord.
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Jives wrote: Does anybody else besides me think it's ironic that movies like, "Oceans 11" and "The Italian Job" glorify robberies, but when someone does it for real, we are all incensed?
So Capt...let me get this straight, first all the Arabs are Terrorists, now all the Irish are terrorists too? And our Repblican President just banned a bunch of Republicans?!! This is geting hard to follow.
Just so I'll understand, can you explain exactly why this decision was so bad?
Who are the Nationalist Republicans (in a nutshell) and what do they stand for?
Who are the Unionists and what's their crusade?
And who are the guys with just an ancronym for a name... the SDLP? The Nationalist Republicans are Sinn Fein IRA & their supporters. The Social Democrats & Labour Party is a branch of the Irish & British Labour party. I don't think they have an armed private army unlike the Sinn Fein IRA.As for banning the rest, well you will have to ask the White House.
So Capt...let me get this straight, first all the Arabs are Terrorists, now all the Irish are terrorists too? And our Repblican President just banned a bunch of Republicans?!! This is geting hard to follow.
Just so I'll understand, can you explain exactly why this decision was so bad?
Who are the Nationalist Republicans (in a nutshell) and what do they stand for?
Who are the Unionists and what's their crusade?
And who are the guys with just an ancronym for a name... the SDLP?
The Nationalist Republicans are Sinn Fein IRA & their supporters. The Social Democrats & Labour Party is a branch of the Irish & British Labour party. I don't think they have an armed private army unlike the Sinn Fein IRA.As for banning the rest, well you will have to ask the White House.Thank you Mr President
Capn, one of the more amusing interviews I heard with Gerry (I dont know anyone in the IRA) Adams was regarding the guy murdered in a North Belfast pub with 70 witnesses and nobody saw anything.
Well the family in this case had the guts (and I mean real guts) to go public and call the IRA on it.
Next thing Gerry(see above) Adams is on the BBC telling us that the IRA had expelled 3 members who they thought were involved, but how did Gerry (not in the IRA)Adams know this????
What was heartening was the support from the community for this family, it is only when the people start to turn on the thugs from both sides of the divide that there will ever be a chance of peace IMO. It also appears that Bertie is getting tough with Gerry.
PS what is happening on Berties bowl.
Well the family in this case had the guts (and I mean real guts) to go public and call the IRA on it.
Next thing Gerry(see above) Adams is on the BBC telling us that the IRA had expelled 3 members who they thought were involved, but how did Gerry (not in the IRA)Adams know this????
What was heartening was the support from the community for this family, it is only when the people start to turn on the thugs from both sides of the divide that there will ever be a chance of peace IMO. It also appears that Bertie is getting tough with Gerry.
PS what is happening on Berties bowl.
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Bothwell, I agree with you on the peace. Now to answer the other Q.The family had real guts to stand up to these thugs (IRA) because that's all they are.As for these guys being expelled, well that's just a whitewash. It looks good on the BBC and in the Press.But does one really believe them? The 10 or more IRA men that were involved in this murder are now out of the country (Ireland) probably resting in Northern Spain (Basque Country) do you get my drift?
And Bertie Ahern, the PM. Nobody believes Bertie. And the only bowl he has, is at breakfast.
And Bertie Ahern, the PM. Nobody believes Bertie. And the only bowl he has, is at breakfast.
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so let's see if I've got this right...
The Republicans (Nationalist and Sinn Fein)in your country are armed and dangerous,
But the Democrats are more moderate and peaceful, right?
Is there still a lot of Protestant vs. Catholic violence going on? I have to say that honestly when I learned about that "war" in school, I was seriously confused. Aren't they both Christians? I can understand wars between people with different religions such as Islam vs. Christianity, but the Irish war makes no sense to me.
The Republicans (Nationalist and Sinn Fein)in your country are armed and dangerous,
But the Democrats are more moderate and peaceful, right?
Is there still a lot of Protestant vs. Catholic violence going on? I have to say that honestly when I learned about that "war" in school, I was seriously confused. Aren't they both Christians? I can understand wars between people with different religions such as Islam vs. Christianity, but the Irish war makes no sense to me.
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Jives wrote: so let's see if I've got this right...
The Republicans (Nationalist and Sinn Fein)in your country are armed and dangerous,
But the Democrats are more moderate and peaceful, right?
Is there still a lot of Protestant vs. Catholic violence going on? I have to say that honestly when I learned about that "war" in school, I was seriously confused. Aren't they both Christians? I can understand wars between people with different religions such as Islam vs. Christianity, but the Irish war makes no sense to me. 
The Northern Irish don't make much sense to us Southern Irish. Yes, the Sinn Fein IRA are a very dangerous lot. They are involved in Robbery, tax fraud, extortion, blackmail, guns for hire, counterfeiting and above all smuggling. As for being Christian. They don't know the meaning of the word.
The Republicans (Nationalist and Sinn Fein)in your country are armed and dangerous,
But the Democrats are more moderate and peaceful, right?
Is there still a lot of Protestant vs. Catholic violence going on? I have to say that honestly when I learned about that "war" in school, I was seriously confused. Aren't they both Christians? I can understand wars between people with different religions such as Islam vs. Christianity, but the Irish war makes no sense to me.
The Northern Irish don't make much sense to us Southern Irish. Yes, the Sinn Fein IRA are a very dangerous lot. They are involved in Robbery, tax fraud, extortion, blackmail, guns for hire, counterfeiting and above all smuggling. As for being Christian. They don't know the meaning of the word.Thank you Mr President
Fascinating. So that post implies that it's more of a "North vs. South" war, eh?
We had one of those, we called it "The Civil War". Does this impact your personal life much? Or is it one of those, "If I don't go into certain places, I'm OK" type of things? (Sort of like the way that white people don't go into Compton in Los Angeles, because of the gangs.)
We had one of those, we called it "The Civil War". Does this impact your personal life much? Or is it one of those, "If I don't go into certain places, I'm OK" type of things? (Sort of like the way that white people don't go into Compton in Los Angeles, because of the gangs.)
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Jives wrote: Fascinating. So that post implies that it's more of a "North vs. South" war, eh?
We had one of those, we called it "The Civil War". Does this impact your personal life much? Or is it one of those, "If I don't go into certain places, I'm OK" type of things? (Sort of like the way that white people don't go into Compton in Los Angeles, because of the gangs.) We are somewhat normal and more human friendly down South. Even the Brits get along with most Southern Irish
We had one of those, we called it "The Civil War". Does this impact your personal life much? Or is it one of those, "If I don't go into certain places, I'm OK" type of things? (Sort of like the way that white people don't go into Compton in Los Angeles, because of the gangs.) We are somewhat normal and more human friendly down South. Even the Brits get along with most Southern Irish
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Jives it did and still impacts your life in the most extreme way, wrong place at the wrong time could cost you your life. It is actually more difficult than compton because everyone is the same colour, it is religion that is the reason for this violence.
It is much better than it used to be but you still have to exercise caution.
It is much better than it used to be but you still have to exercise caution.
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Is there still a lot of Protestant vs. Catholic violence going on? I have to say that honestly when I learned about that "war" in school, I was seriously confused. Aren't they both Christians? I can understand wars between people with different religions such as Islam vs. Christianity, but the Irish war makes no sense to me.
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It's a hangover from the religious wars of the past, in northern ireland there were economic reasons as well stemming from protestant settlers-mainly scots, hensce tyhe belfast scots being settled to Northern ireland and taking the best land off the catholics. It's a complex nightmare you would not believe. The most vicious wars are history are those fought over religon or caused by it depending on your point of view. sectarianism is fairly rife in scotland as well if you go to the wrong pubs in the wroing part of town especially during an old firm game. Religon is the only discrimination allowed, a non catholic can't teach at a catholic school. You still cannot have a catholic marrying in to the royal family-not that many would care.
Southern Ireland has been independent since 1921, I get the impression many americans still think the british occupy all of ireland. The country was partitioned else there would have been a bloodbath as the protestants would never accept rule by a catholic majority. to understand you would have to go back to elizabethan times even then it makes no sense today. The question then was who rules the king or the bishop of Rome? State or church. That's one of the reasons freedom of religon was so important to the writers of your constitution. Having seen the religious wars of England and europe they were quite keen to avoid similar conflict. It's an age old conflict, catholic against protestant that the rest of europe leave alone.
Your civil war was pretty vicious but you never tied captives to a stake and set them on fire to save their souls singing hymns as they did so, good caring christians did that kind of thing to those they disagreed with.
Is there still a lot of Protestant vs. Catholic violence going on? I have to say that honestly when I learned about that "war" in school, I was seriously confused. Aren't they both Christians? I can understand wars between people with different religions such as Islam vs. Christianity, but the Irish war makes no sense to me.
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It's a hangover from the religious wars of the past, in northern ireland there were economic reasons as well stemming from protestant settlers-mainly scots, hensce tyhe belfast scots being settled to Northern ireland and taking the best land off the catholics. It's a complex nightmare you would not believe. The most vicious wars are history are those fought over religon or caused by it depending on your point of view. sectarianism is fairly rife in scotland as well if you go to the wrong pubs in the wroing part of town especially during an old firm game. Religon is the only discrimination allowed, a non catholic can't teach at a catholic school. You still cannot have a catholic marrying in to the royal family-not that many would care.
Southern Ireland has been independent since 1921, I get the impression many americans still think the british occupy all of ireland. The country was partitioned else there would have been a bloodbath as the protestants would never accept rule by a catholic majority. to understand you would have to go back to elizabethan times even then it makes no sense today. The question then was who rules the king or the bishop of Rome? State or church. That's one of the reasons freedom of religon was so important to the writers of your constitution. Having seen the religious wars of England and europe they were quite keen to avoid similar conflict. It's an age old conflict, catholic against protestant that the rest of europe leave alone.
Your civil war was pretty vicious but you never tied captives to a stake and set them on fire to save their souls singing hymns as they did so, good caring christians did that kind of thing to those they disagreed with.
Thank you Mr President
gmc wrote: Religon is the only discrimination allowed, a non catholic can't teach at a catholic school.
That is absolutely fascinating. Only...how would anyone know which you are? Of course I guess that everyone is obviously aligned and that certain traits or clothing would mark them.
Having seen the religious wars of England and europe they were quite keen to avoid similar conflict. It's an age old conflict, catholic against protestant that the rest of europe leave alone.
Again, this is absolutely amazing information that I will need in my role as an educator. thanks for all this training.
Your civil war was pretty vicious but you never tied captives to a stake and set them on fire to save their souls singing hymns as they did so, good caring christians did that kind of thing to those they disagreed with.
Whoa. You mean that Christians actually burned each other? No wonder there are still hard feelings. of course I shouldn't be surprised....We did it ourselves at Salem. (Of course those were "witches".
That is absolutely fascinating. Only...how would anyone know which you are? Of course I guess that everyone is obviously aligned and that certain traits or clothing would mark them.
Having seen the religious wars of England and europe they were quite keen to avoid similar conflict. It's an age old conflict, catholic against protestant that the rest of europe leave alone.
Again, this is absolutely amazing information that I will need in my role as an educator. thanks for all this training.
Your civil war was pretty vicious but you never tied captives to a stake and set them on fire to save their souls singing hymns as they did so, good caring christians did that kind of thing to those they disagreed with.
Whoa. You mean that Christians actually burned each other? No wonder there are still hard feelings. of course I shouldn't be surprised....We did it ourselves at Salem. (Of course those were "witches".
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Whoa. You mean that Christians actually burned each other? No wonder there are still hard feelings. of course I shouldn't be surprised....We did it ourselves at Salem. (Of course those were "witches". it's a common misconception "witches" were burned at Salem. they weren't, they were drowned. :yh_devil or hung. to prove you were not a witch you were put underwater in a pond. if you drowned, you were innocent! if you survived being weighted down in the pond you were clearly a witch. :yh_ghost
Whoa. You mean that Christians actually burned each other? No wonder there are still hard feelings. of course I shouldn't be surprised....We did it ourselves at Salem. (Of course those were "witches".
it's a common misconception "witches" were burned at Salem. they weren't, they were drowned. :yh_devil or hung. to prove you were not a witch you were put underwater in a pond. if you drowned, you were innocent! if you survived being weighted down in the pond you were clearly a witch. :yh_ghostThank you Mr President
Would you guys please stop rewriting the incorrect history I've spent years putting into my head? If this goes on, I'm not going to believe anything I see in the movies anymore.! 
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Jives wrote: Would you guys please stop rewriting the incorrect history I've spent years putting into my head? If this goes on, I'm not going to believe anything I see in the movies anymore.! not your fault, it's the textbooks you had in elementary school...history is written by the winners.
not your fault, it's the textbooks you had in elementary school...history is written by the winners.