Can Anyone Explain The Purpose For These Camps?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:18 pm

Here is a very interesting video of "camps" that are being built around the United States of America.

I recommend that for those who wish to respond to my question, that those people click on the following link and watch this video before giving an answer. That way they will better understand the question.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=215

My question is simple. Does anyone have a logical explanation for what the places in the video are, why they exist, what they are being built for, who runs them, and why there are new things being added to them, ect. ect?

I am most interested to see what anybodies theories are.

911 · Post by **911** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:50 pm

You're kidding, right? Concentration camps from hurricane and disaster relief victims?

For what purpose? Soylent Green, maybe?

The government wastes so much money on ridiculous things that this is not unnerving. She stated something about it being originally built as a prison. Perhaps it's for morons like those that shot at the helicopters that attempted to bring relief supplies to the people in NOLA.

The building with all the gas gadgets? Ever think that may be the kitchen and laundry area? And instead of using electricity, they choose to use gas in case the power goes off?

Either I didn't understand your question or the purpose of the video or I'm totally out of it. Why not just keep using trailers with formydahyde in them if they want to kill the survivors.

Weird that a military helicopter would patrol a military building.

They didn't seem to mind that they were there, did they? Unless. . . . the crew has never been seen again!:eek:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:54 pm

I think it is where they will make the survivors of "Lost" reside when they get rescued.

Post by **spot** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:54 pm

911;780881 wrote: You're kidding, right? Concentration camps from hurricane and disaster relief victims?You want to see a wildly optimistic Press Release from 18 months ago? Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga. (4th CD) had a shot at getting them discussed and it sank like a stone with absolutely no press coverage at all - just one mention on Scoop in New Zealand.

This is from the US Fed News wire of September 24, 2006 "REP. MCKINNEY INTRODUCES LEGISLATION TO RE-OPEN COINTELPRO HEARINGS"

Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga. (4th CD), issued the following press release:

Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA 4th) has introduced legislation calling for a re-opening of the investigations of the 1970's by the United States Select Committee to Study Government Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities chaired by Senator Frank Church which led to startling revelations concerning federal, state and local intelligence and law enforcement agency violations of Constitutional rights of privacy, limits on search and seizure, surveillance, wiretapping and disruption of dissent and protected activities, and massive collection of dossiers by FBI, CIA, NSA, Pentagon, Defense Intelligence Agencies and other local agencies, targeting the civil rights, Native American and anti-war movements of the period and "neutralizing" their leadership and discrediting the efforts for social change over decades.

The most infamous of these abuses was the FBI's COINTELPRO operations, or counter intelligence program, and victims of those attacks remain wrongfully imprisoned to this day. CHAOS, GARDEN PLOT, CABLE SPLICER, LANTERN SPIKE, REX 84 and other programs were carried out by agencies ranging from the CIA to FEMA, including planning for massive arrests and martial law, suspending the Constitution. New laws countered many of these excesses and abuses following from the Church Committee revelations, but not all. Surveillance and disruption, as well as planning and exercises for detention and suspension of civil liberties continued through the 1980s and 1990s against legal domestic organizations supporting democratic movements abroad.

Following the attacks on September 11, 2001, there were immediate calls to renew COINTELPRO-style surveillance, go to Continuity of Government, release intelligence agencies from the restrictions of the Church Committee era laws (which included the establishment of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court to pre-approve Presidential surveillance programs), calls to end the principle of Posse Comitatus, which separates police and military functions, and renewed surveillance and disruption by the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Transportation Security Agency (TSA), Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and by certain provisions of the USA PATRIOT ACT and related.

House Resolution 1056, introduced on September 21, provides for release of all undisclosed government files on similar past and present abuses which do not compromise an existing intelligence, agent, source or method, for judicial relief for the past victims of COINTELPRO and other programs, and for the re-opening of Congressional hearings into the historical abuses as well as the current renewal and expansion of similar programs that violate human, civil and Constitutional rights. The bill has been referred to both House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees.

"We still to this day do not know the full scope of the abusive surveillance, targeting, discrediting and disruptive tactics and plans of the past," said Representative McKinney, "and a look back the Nixon era Tom Charles Houston plan, referred to as 'fascist' by Congressional investigators, shows us it is being implemented in full since 9/11. Congress has a responsibility to open oversight hearings into the new abuses as well as their historical context, and to acknowledge and give relief to its victims then and now."

The key phrase in among all that is "including planning for massive arrests".

911 · Post by **911** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:15 pm

The key phrase in among all that is "including planning for massive arrests".

Sure, why not?

Looters, rapists, killers, attacks on rescue workers, thefts from and by victims.

You don't think these people should be arrested? Where would they have put them in New Orleans? They would have to ship them somewhere.

And as far as what Rep. McKinney was talking about, it was a strange time in our country when, for the first time, half the country was against war not on our own homeland. Those that spoke out were arrested and harassed and even killed. I can remember people being arrested for wearing the American flag on the butt of their jeans. They called it desecration of the flag. Now whole outfits are made in the likeness of the flag. That is against the rules of the flag but not against the law.

Post by **spot** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:23 pm

There you go then.

Rex 84 is sufficiently well documented as to be undeniable. It just happened to get out into the public domain because of the Iran-Contra mess. Why would anyone think the planning behind it has disappeared? If Rex 84 were to have been implemented rather than exercised, where else do you think all these detainees are going to end up? Of course FEMA have camps with sufficient space ready for them, it's plain stupid to think otherwise. You don't exercise what you can't achieve.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:44 pm

Bill Clinton's answer to a question about the FEMA CAMPS:

Post by **spot** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:03 pm

I do wish you could provide at least a transcript summary, I have no software capable of playing shockwave flash files on this system so I have no way of telling what your clip contains. Neither, of course, has Google. You're failing to maintain a chain of information in the thread. The original post had exactly the same problem with it.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:05 pm

spot;780963 wrote: I do wish you could provide at least a transcript summary, I have no software capable of playing shockwave flash files on this system so I have no way of telling what your clip contains. Neither, of course, has Google. You're failing to maintain a chain of information in the thread. The original post had exactly the same problem with it.

Bill Clinton is asked about Concentration camps in the USA, he doesn't deny them, but laughs and says "we need to work together" etc

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:24 pm

Considering the huge number of ILLEGAL ALIENS presently in the U.S., wouldn't these camps be a great place to house them until they can be sent back to where they came from?

Post by **spot** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:37 pm

Why go to the expense of sending them back anywhere Lon? It's your country they're illegally present in, put them up against walls and shoot them all. All you need is a law saying that the penalty for being within the homeland borders without permission of the State is summary death. It's your country, you can do what you like inside your borders.

Or you can fill them with everyone whose income was less than $20,000 last year if you like. Or everyone with a university degree. Or everyone who ever wrote a letter to a congressman.

Or you could, of course, try to build a decent civil society where none of those things are allowed and people like Oliver North aren't treated as heroes.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:05 pm

spot;780980 wrote: Why go to the expense of sending them back anywhere Lon? It's your country they're illegally present in, put them up against walls and shoot them all. All you need is a law saying that the penalty for being within the homeland borders without permission of the State is summary death. It's your country, you can do what you like inside your borders.

Or you can fill them with everyone whose income was less than $20,000 last year if you like. Or everyone with a university degree. Or everyone who ever wrote a letter to a congressman.

Or you could, of course, try to build a decent civil society where none of those things are allowed and people like Oliver North aren't treated as heroes.

Or---------maybe we could send 15 or 20 million of the ILLEGALS over your way and you could provide opportunities for them.

Post by **spot** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:08 pm

You want my advice? Politely ask Mexico if the US can merge with it and form a single federation with one national government. That brings the illegal immigrant problem down to manageable proportions, gives the US a complete new peon class to last for the next forty years and narrows the length of the land border you need to wall up.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:01 pm

spot;781041 wrote: You want my advice? Politely ask Mexico if the US can merge with it and form a single federation with one national government. That brings the illegal immigrant problem down to manageable proportions, gives the US a complete new peon class to last for the next forty years and narrows the length of the land border you need to wall up.

Great idea--------we could also politely ask Canada to join in the federation, and, what the hell, why not throw in Guatemala as well for some balance. Hmm---what to do with those French Canadians in Quebec?

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:03 am

No, you can't have Canada, Canada is ours. Canada would say no thank you. So, come to that, might Mexico.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:00 am

YZGI;780883 wrote: I think it is where they will make the survivors of "Lost" reside when they get rescued.

Then I want to go to this "LOST" camp Yz because Jack and Sawyer will be there and I lubs them:-4:-4

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:25 am

spot;781041 wrote: You want my advice? Politely ask Mexico if the US can merge with it and form a single federation with one national government. That brings the illegal immigrant problem down to manageable proportions, gives the US a complete new peon class to last for the next forty years and narrows the length of the land border you need to wall up.

we already did that. it's called NAFTA.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:21 am

If you'd already done it this word "illegal" wouldn't be applicable to so many millions.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:27 am

spot;781218 wrote: If you'd already done it this word "illegal" wouldn't be applicable to so many millions.

Ah----------I guess maybe we could call ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, OR ILLEGAL TOURISTS, MAYBE ILLEGAL RESIDENTS--------we couldn't call them ILLEGAL CITIZENS after all. Some people think that the word ILLEGAL pertains to a SICK BIRD.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:29 am

Lon;781223 wrote: Ah----------I guess maybe we could call ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, OR ILLEGAL TOURISTS, MAYBE ILLEGAL RESIDENTS--------we couldn't call them ILLEGAL CITIZENS after all. Some people think that the word ILLEGAL pertains to a SICK BIRD.

No Lon, if you had a single federated country composed of the USA and Mexico these people you currently call illegals would be called citizens instead. Wouldn't that be worth achieving?

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:52 am

I watched all of the you tube videos. I would like to know how could the government spend our tax money to build these places, and not give us a clear cut explanation of what they are for? I do believe that really bad things are coming. Very frightening. I wish I didnt have children and grand children here... so I could just leave when the time comes, and not look back

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:44 am

spot;781227 wrote: No Lon, if you had a single federated country composed of the USA and Mexico these people you currently call illegals would be called citizens instead. Wouldn't that be worth achieving?

Not really, although some of the Illegals do provide some employers with a source of cheap labor. Others put a drain on a already overburdened criminal justice system (many come with prior criminal activity). Others put a drain on a already overburdened social welfare system. Tax revenues from this group, it's been estimated, are totally insufficient to pay for their costs, thus putting costs on the LEGAL CITIZENS.

This isn't 1900 we are talking about, where having this many come into the country might just work, it's USA in the 21st Century, involved a costly no win war that we should not have gotten into in the first place. A country with huge deficits due to total ineptness on the part of pandering politicians, banks and other lenders accepting loans from people that cannot pass a credit test for renters and then investment houses that view such loans as good investments & a society that worships materialism almost as a deity. Sure---------just what we need to solve all these and other problems---------millions of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:50 am

spot;781218 wrote: If you'd already done it this word "illegal" wouldn't be applicable to so many millions.

What would you call someone that enters the country ILLEGALLY?

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:51 am

We're back to legislating for summary execution then. Go for it. Don't forget to include provision for killing all the under-18s while you're at it.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:55 am

Lon;781320 wrote: What would you call someone that enters the country ILLEGALLY?

Lon, it's simple. Anyone who breaks the law is illegal, that's the language you're employing here. If you create a law that makes an act illegal then you've created a criminal out of someone who does it, if you repeal the law then the person goes back to being non-criminal instead. It's the law that defines who's a criminal, not the act of the person. Criminals are created solely by legislation.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:26 am

spot;781326 wrote: Lon, it's simple. Anyone who breaks the law is illegal, that's the language you're employing here. If you create a law that makes an act illegal then you've created a criminal out of someone who does it, if you repeal the law then the person goes back to being non-criminal instead. It's the law that defines who's a criminal, not the act of the person. Criminals are created solely by legislation.

I guess I am missing something here Spot. The people in question committed an ILLEGAL ACT by entering the US illegally. It is I believe, ILLEGAL, to enter the US without documentation. If you are suggesting that the law be changed then we might as well do away with CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION at airports receiving foreign visitors, or seaports receiving same.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:31 am

All true, Lon, all true. Shoot them, we already decided on the fix several posts ago.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:04 pm

If that's what they are why on earth weren't they used that way after Katrina? Not using them then makes it impossible that's what they're for, you don't get disasters more significant than that.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:33 pm

Look you guys don't have to worry, the camps are definately not for "undocumented" ILLEGAL Aliens. Especially after watching the democratic debate last night between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. And after watching Senator Ted Kennedy singing in spanish today on national television. lol.

Nope...they are not for illegals. So if not for illegals, than it does beg the question, WHO the hell is going to be going in them? And you can bet that they aren't being built for nothing, so someone is eventually certainly going to be going in them. Otherwise the government wouldn't be building them all. All over.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:34 pm

Jester;781439 wrote: Back to the FEMA camps...

My son is a FEMA disaster scene technician or so to speak, he has taken the online training for all the FEMA disaster scene workers, he has not yet taken the testing for it or the on site training. He will do that when he completes his EMT course in few months.

The camps are emergency evacuation points according him, nothing more. its a place to take disaster vitims out of the disaster zone, in addition to that there is disaster 'packages' of emergency equipment that can be staged and erected quickly in an area closer to the disaster sight which are mobile.

Everything of course is a conspiracy...

There is a mysterious symbol on the bottom of the shipping crates that has me wondering, its a small red circle with a hash mark through it and inset is a picture of a praybar. I have no idea which secret symbol this is, or what secret society it represents, but I do know whenever they show up they are accompanied by guys that open them and assemble the contents.:-3

Interesting, Jester.

Perhaps you, your son, and all the rest of the people on this board would be interested in watching these two videos then. To bring some of them up to speed so to speak.

FEMA 1:

FEMA 2:

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:39 pm

I reckon you have a white supremacist cabal in the heart of government and the camps are being prepared for everyone who has African-American ancestry in their last three generations.

What's more, I can even prove that's what the program was originally set up to do and I suspect you know I can.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:42 pm

spot;781516 wrote: I reckon you have a white supremacist cabal in the heart of government and the camps are being prepared for everyone who has African-American ancestry in their last three generations.

What's more, I can even prove that's what the program was originally set up to do and I suspect you know I can.

Orginally set up to do and actually doing are two different things.

Besides, I don't like illegals spilling over the boarder as much as the next guy, and I know there are other ways to handle them besides throwing them and their kids into "prison camps".

**** I would never sit by and watch Human Beings being treated that way.

Besides, did you not see the debate last night? It was an oldschool orgy, a love-fest for Illegals. Literally both Hillary and Obama were practicly calling for Mexico to move to the United States (not literally, but you get the point).

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:44 pm

You know a better solution than making one country out of the two?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:47 pm

spot;781523 wrote: You know a better solution than making one country out of the two?

lol. Yeah, it's called build the wall that they said they would build, and crack down on employers all over the nation, don't just talk about cracking down on them, crack down on them, and play the crackdowns all over the national media, to teach other employers a lesson, shut down ANY place who continues to abuse the law, and put all the money they are putting into these "camps" into our immigration system, to improve it, for starters.

And thats just the beginning......I could sit down and write an entire thesis. It doesn't matter, the government won't listen.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:52 pm

That leaves you with 15 million cracked-down-upon illegal immigrants still inside your borders. Why on earth doesn't the US want to mend this? It could all be settled inside a year if anyone had the will to do it. I think that the status quo is actually what your authority wants.

Post by **spot** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:17 pm

As an intelligent aside, what your capitalist economy needs more than anything is dedicated full-time consumers. If handing large amounts of tax money out to illegal immigrants kept your consumer demand from crashing then it would be a valuable contribution. Not that I believe they're getting it - on the contrary I'm sure there's a net inflow to government funds from having them in the country. But if there were an outflow it would be in your interests. Handing it all to the hyper-rich doesn't get the money spent in US shops.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:19 pm

We still haven't gotten to the bottom of what these camps are for yet because the government hasn't come directly out and stated to the people what they are for. I don't want a sheet of paper that we can't confirm, I want a government official coming out and directly telling us what the camps are for. I mean come on. We know they are there, so just tell us what they are, otherwise you can't blame us for suspecting them.

Look. If they were only for illegal aliens, than why would the government be pushing for cooperation from Mexico, and Canada, in the Security Partnership Prosperity Association deal thing? Wouldn't Mexico go ballistic if it's leaders found out that we were imprisoning their people? Wouldn't the families in Mexico of the people we were imprisoning go ballistic? Couldn't that cause utter chaos? It just doesn't make sense. Besides, again, Bush has admitted that he is involved in the SPPA program, dubbed the North American Union. So it would defeat the purpose of having prison/holding camps in the United States if you were planning on merging the economies/the borders, ect.

In other words, prison camps for Mexicans when you are planning on making America and Mexico one country essentially defeats the entire purpose of the camps.

Also...American citizens are about to be given new ID cards unless we stop them. These ID cards will contain microchips which can be used for tracking all of us and for interaction with mechanical devices, the kind of devices that will most certainly be used in these camps that are being built around the United States (and around the World for that matter). I have spoken to people from Europe, ect., who claim that these "prison camps" are being built over there as well. Which again, proves the illegal alien claim wrong as well. There has even been talk of a microchip that can be implanted in the Human Body (and many Americans have already done so), for the same reason that I stated before.

So.......Illegal Aliens won't be chipped, they won't be given REAL ID cards, because that law only applies to American citizens. There is no law that states that illegal aliens will receive a REAL ID card.

So we're gonna get ID cards (not illegals), we might end up getting forced to have chips in the bodies of our kids and ourselves (not illegals), we might end up being thrown in these camps (not illegals), and we might end up regretting the fact that we didn't do anything to stop our government from building them (not illegals).

The other theory, that in the event of another disaster like Hurricane Katrina, the government wants to be able to have a safe (and prison like) place for people to be held at. Interesting. Another disaster like Hurricane Katrina? Well the camp in the video that I posted in the beginning of this thread, that camp was in Indiana. Now why in the World would it be in Indiana, if there are no Hurricanes in Indiana? And there are camps in other places all over the United States that do not experience hurricanes. So why have the camps in those places? It doesn't make sense either.

So that leaves us with another theory that some might use to try and explain this. Although I doubt this is it. That there are a good amount of "Islamic fundamentalist extremists" in this country, and that the government needs somewhere to put them all in case they rise up and try to turn the United States into a giant "Iraq". Ok, but this one doesn't make sense either, because if our Homeland Security is so bad that thousands upon thousands of "Islamic Extremists" have already gotten into our country, than we are already screwed, and we should be ashamed of ourselves as a nation, and all the money we put into the Department of Homeland Security is for nothing, and it is a joke. I doubt thats the case though, because our government is not stupid, and they would never allow for such a thing to happen. If there were thousands of these people already here, active cells that is, than the government would already know where they were, trust me. Watch how fast they find any regular citizen who is trying to evade the police and you tell me that they wouldn't know about thousands of Islamic 'terrorists" already in the country just waiting to strike. Yeah right. So the terrorist arguement is out as well.

So that leaves us with this fact. The fact that the New World Order is an evil attempt to control the population of the World, and the only way to do that is to build all these camps in many of the major countries of the World (which is already taking place), to control anyone who resists the ultimate attempt to put the NWO into place. That is the most logical, common sense arguement of them all, not only because these camps are being built all over the World, not just the United States, but because it adds up with all the things that are taking place here in the US. as well. So this arguement, currently, is my favorite. And the one that makes the most sense to me. It is true that many of the governments of the World are pushing for One World Government, and it is also true that many (millions of people) are ultimately against this idea. There has to be somewhere to put these resisters right? Prison Camps and Bingo, problem solved.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:51 pm

The only other possible theory I have considered to be true, is that the Government knows that there is going to be a Pole-Shift sometime within the next 3-4 years. They also know that there will be massive destruction around the World (such is a possibility for the camps), and that there will also be massive chaos generated from the destruction. So I believe, it is possible, that they are building these camps around the World for when the Pole-Shift actually takes place, in order to try and maintain control and stability. This is the only way it would fall under their claim of an "emergency situation similar to that of Hurrican Katrina". And this one would be WorldWide, Because a Pole-Shift is the only natural disaster that can effect the entire World at once.

But other than those two theories, to crack down on anyone who resists the NWO, or the Pole-Shift, I can't seem to think of any other good reason for the camps.

For those who don't know about the Pole-Shift, I have a thread in one of the other forums on this board that talks alot about it:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... hp?t=12849

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:01 pm

Jester;781624 wrote: This video could be any one of thousands of military industrial areas, this isnt a camp for people its an industrail manifacutring site that has scaled back it operations.

How come every sign in the place has the words outfocused? Expet for that "redzone" sign?

The video proves nothing.

Ive been to hundreds of industrial areas like that.

An industrial site with turnstyles? For the movement of massive amounts of people?

Here is a camp in Texas. Whats your excuse for this one?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:14 pm

Jester;781624 wrote: this isnt a camp for people its an industrail manifacutring site that has scaled back it operations.

Ive been to hundreds of industrial areas like that.

These camps have armed guards, surveillance systems, and many fences with the barbed wire pointing IN. These are holding camps, designed as a stock-yard type of facility for those rounded up in the early sweeps. These are some of the largest camps ever constructed in the United States. They are REAL. They are manned. Many of them have moats, motion sensors, inner berms to hide the main complexes, guards at the gates, electric gates, processing centers, and of course, high fences with razor wire and barbed pointing inward - not outward - but inward to KEEP PEOPLE IN.

The smaller facilities are usually holding facilities, obviously designed for the short-term roundups prior to the hapless souls being shipped off to their final destination somewhere else.

Why are they being built? Whom are they for? Why does the government deny their existence? They've uncovered over 700 hundred camps in the United States so far. We have pictures to prove their existence. We are still observing the construction going on around the United States. Know this; if you visit these camps you will end up under government surveillance, and these folks are not very kind. Also, most, if not all the construction on these facilities happens at night. Why?

They seem to be popping up everywhere. For example, in January of 1999, there were no camps in Fillmore California, now there are two. They seem to ring around population centers for the most part, with many short-term 'holding facilities' buried in the hills and dales around the inner cities. There are over 53 camps in Southern California.

WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT BUILDING THESE CAMPS AND DENYING THEIR EXISTENCE?

People have been to places where there were only two camps (El Canon City, Colorado, February 1998, for example) and went back five months later and there were seven camps. The camps in Colorado, by the way, are Huge in every sense of the word. These, it seems apparent, are final destination or full-service camps. The camps around Utah and Arizona are some of the spookiest ones that have been photographed. All the full-service camps have rail spurs and landing strips adjacent to them.

What are the purposes of these camps? Read history. Camps hold people. They aren't prisons in the normal sense of the word. A prison has a hospital, a gym, food facilities, recreation yards, and cells for the inmates. Camps are like stockyards for humans. Very little shelter and a great deal of death. What do you think the government's reaction will be if people asked them outright about the camps? What it has always been: plausible deniability, a phrase and action created by the covert agencies of this country. First, deny the existence. Then, if that fails, explain it away with a limited hangout (short for another lie, but this time with a small miter of truth.)

It appears that most of the larger facilities were started around 1995 and are still being modified. The smaller holding type facilities are being rapidly built RIGHT NOW. Near Trinidad, Colorado, many of the outlying residents watched the construction happen and were warned off by armed men without badges when they tried to approach the builders.

Why were they built? That's the question, isn't it?

Isn't there some other explanation for them, like a new kind of cheap prison? Really? Would you want to be in a prison with no shelter, hospital, nor any other kind of formal living arrangements and exposed to the elements? Listen, I wish these things didn't exist. I get sick everytime I find another one. I didn't create them, you know. The messenger isn't to blame for the message.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:36 pm

With all due respect Truth Bringer---------what you view to be the truth is just so much--------------BULLSHIT