One can argue based on this that Noah's Ark had an internal combustion engine, causing global warming and a resultant ice age before the flood waters could recede from the Antarctic land. Mark my words, the Tree of Life stands frozen below that ice.
I mean, one can argue that.
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What do you find odd there jimbo? We might as well be looking at the same puzzle and it covers far too much ground to do anything but say "ooooh".
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Here's my offering then - from what I've seen of the maps they all appear to have the information you'd expect for the year in which they were made given what you'd expect them to know and bearing in mind that cartographers quite often included things that were plain wrong. The difference between plain wrong and similar to what they ought not have known about isn't huge so long as they weren't astoundingly coincidental. I don't see astounding coincidences in what I looked at.
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yes, what can I do for you?? 
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Good lord sunny button your shirt up, it can't be that warm outdoors yet.
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spot;816697 wrote: Good lord sunny button your shirt up, it can't be that warm outdoors yet.
you shouldn't be looking there!
you shouldn't be looking there!
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There are aspects of this that are definitely interesting, my thoughts would be that you would have to scrutinize what is being said in this website, and not take some of the claims being made about the map at face value. Thats the first, most important thing, and its usually where these kind of mysteries break down.
Now if what is being said is accurate, then there are some very interesting apects to it in terms of the sources for the information, but like spot said things can seem like incredible conicidences, but in fact the map may not be from 1513, and even if it is, then its not impossible to see how the informaion could have been available from voyages that are already known about. Of course this issue about the Coast-line of Antartica is a bit mysterious and I don't have any sort of answer for that, but there are possibilities, the principal that best used in such a situation is that the least fanciful answer, that involves the fewest amounts of leaps of faith is usually the correct one. What that answer is though, I am not sure.
The other way to look at is could be to go with the idea that the information has been handed down over millenia from a sea-going civilization that had access to such information, here the obvious ones would be the Minoans, who are a good couple of Millenia before Homer, and were the masters of the Med in their time, then they were replaced by the Phonecians, who definetely sailed past the straits of Gilbraltar at some point, as they had some knowledge of West Africa, and we are taking here about somewhere around the 500 BC era, so its not that fanciful to suppose that perhaps these early sea-going civilizations had gone further than we realized, as obviously not a lot is know about particularly the Minoans.
The last one is this idea of there being a meta-civilization before the rise of Civilization in the Mesopotamia region, its an intriguing idea, but of course the problem is that there is not as yet one hard bit of evidence to suggest this was the case, perhaps at some point it may happen, as our knowledge increases, and new discoveries are made, but until that happens, speculation is just speculation.
But its an interesting little mystery in a way, and I love maps, so I kinda go for this kind of stuff. I remember being in the Three Emperors exhibition when it was on in the Royal Academy, and there was a Chinese Map of the world dating from the 16th or 17th century, and it was quite startling in its detail and its sophistication.
Now if what is being said is accurate, then there are some very interesting apects to it in terms of the sources for the information, but like spot said things can seem like incredible conicidences, but in fact the map may not be from 1513, and even if it is, then its not impossible to see how the informaion could have been available from voyages that are already known about. Of course this issue about the Coast-line of Antartica is a bit mysterious and I don't have any sort of answer for that, but there are possibilities, the principal that best used in such a situation is that the least fanciful answer, that involves the fewest amounts of leaps of faith is usually the correct one. What that answer is though, I am not sure.
The other way to look at is could be to go with the idea that the information has been handed down over millenia from a sea-going civilization that had access to such information, here the obvious ones would be the Minoans, who are a good couple of Millenia before Homer, and were the masters of the Med in their time, then they were replaced by the Phonecians, who definetely sailed past the straits of Gilbraltar at some point, as they had some knowledge of West Africa, and we are taking here about somewhere around the 500 BC era, so its not that fanciful to suppose that perhaps these early sea-going civilizations had gone further than we realized, as obviously not a lot is know about particularly the Minoans.
The last one is this idea of there being a meta-civilization before the rise of Civilization in the Mesopotamia region, its an intriguing idea, but of course the problem is that there is not as yet one hard bit of evidence to suggest this was the case, perhaps at some point it may happen, as our knowledge increases, and new discoveries are made, but until that happens, speculation is just speculation.
But its an interesting little mystery in a way, and I love maps, so I kinda go for this kind of stuff. I remember being in the Three Emperors exhibition when it was on in the Royal Academy, and there was a Chinese Map of the world dating from the 16th or 17th century, and it was quite startling in its detail and its sophistication.
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I'm sure the date of the map's right. Piri was a great cartographer, he's very famous. He said he'd gathered his information from a lot of sources. Hapgood has two prime issues, accuracy and knowledge of the unknown. The accuracy doesn't surprise me. The forbidden knowledge - shapes of underground rivers and mountains ranges beneath Greenland and Antarctica - I'd put down to his interpretation of Piri's sources' fancy. Hapgood's more than happy to ignore a dozen outright wrongs to flourish a "wow" that's only interpreted that way because it's how he wants to interpret it. These lines are inches long representing a thousand miles of coast, there's scarcely any precision involved and (to my mind) the accuracy is entirely in his own reading. He chooses to read these as coastlines with no ice. Piri quite possibly thought the same. Piri's sources may even have intended their guesswork to represent it, not knowing what was on the ground. The lines are wrong for various reasons. They're only "right" in Hapgood's eyes by reason of his applying them to one of a whole bunch of wild alternatives that were never originally intended.
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spot;816949 wrote: I'm sure the date of the map's right. Piri was a great cartographer, he's very famous. He said he'd gathered his information from a lot of sources. Hapgood has two prime issues, accuracy and knowledge of the unknown. The accuracy doesn't surprise me. The forbidden knowledge - shapes of underground rivers and mountains ranges beneath Greenland and Antarctica - I'd put down to his interpretation of Piri's sources' fancy. Hapgood's more than happy to ignore a dozen outright wrongs to flourish a "wow" that's only interpreted that way because it's how he wants to interpret it. These lines are inches long representing a thousand miles of coast, there's scarcely any precision involved and (to my mind) the accuracy is entirely in his own reading. He chooses to read these as coastlines with no ice. Piri quite possibly thought the same. Piri's sources may even have intended their guesswork to represent it, not knowing what was on the ground. The lines are wrong for various reasons. They're only "right" in Hapgood's eyes by reason of his applying them to one of a whole bunch of wild alternatives that were never originally intended.
I would say that what spot is saying above sounds pretty reasonable as a line of argument to me Jimbo, now of course its always wise to keep an open mind on these things, because literally you never know, and some nugget of information might turn up that would further embellish the more fantastical ideas being promoted, but in all honesty, its very unlikely that any pre-technological civlization could have gotten to the antartic coast, let alone mapped it, even if the ice wasn't there 6,000 years ago, which again, I am not sure could be the case. The other thing about that part of the earth's crust just slipping down to where it is now, well, again, its always worth keeping an open mind, but its pretty fanciful to be honest.
I would say that what spot is saying above sounds pretty reasonable as a line of argument to me Jimbo, now of course its always wise to keep an open mind on these things, because literally you never know, and some nugget of information might turn up that would further embellish the more fantastical ideas being promoted, but in all honesty, its very unlikely that any pre-technological civlization could have gotten to the antartic coast, let alone mapped it, even if the ice wasn't there 6,000 years ago, which again, I am not sure could be the case. The other thing about that part of the earth's crust just slipping down to where it is now, well, again, its always worth keeping an open mind, but its pretty fanciful to be honest.
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.