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Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) could be replaced by "Mecca Time," if a group of Muslim leaders get their way.

At the conference, "Mecca, the Center of the Earth, Theory and Practice," Muslim scientists and clerics called for the change, arguing that the holy city in Saudi Arabia is the center of the Earth and should be the reference point for world time, not Greenwich, England, the British Broadcasting Corp. reports.

One geologist at the Qatar conference said Mecca's longitude is perfectly aligned with magnetic north and should therefore replace the English city, which has been measuring time zones since 1884, the BBC reports.



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It used to be the French who griped about it not being Paris - indeed, it's quite possible that in Paris they still do exactly that, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

It's a completely simple proposition for anyone who wants to change matters. Reset your watch and when anyone asks you the time, look at the watch tell them what it says and add "Paris Time", or "Mecca Time", or "Bristol Time". If you get enough people doing it then you've set the standard.
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I think they're really pushing it.
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The French? The Bristolians?



In 1884, at the International Meridian Conference in Washington DC, the Greenwich Meridian was adopted as the prime meridian of the world. France abstained. The French clung to the Paris Meridian as a rival to Greenwich until 1911 for timekeeping purposes and 1914 for navigation. To this day, French cartographers continue to indicate the Paris Meridian on some maps.
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I say move it to London and call it.....:

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Sure, and lets make Arabic the worlds only language, Islam the worlds only religion, and turn everywhere into Saudi Arabia as thats a great example of a well run progressive country. If anyone objects, murder them horribly, thats fair. Gosh, I can't wait for the new wonderful Islamic world we are going to enjoy. :thinking:



Actually I think the hill of Tara in Co Meath, Ireland, should be made into the centre of the world (well at least until we drive that Motorway through it, as its getting in the way with all that ancient history and stuff, like). ;)
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Galbally;843483 wrote: Sure, and lets make Arabic the worlds only language, Islam the worlds only religion, and turn everywhere into Saudi Arabia as thats a great example of a well run progressive country. If anyone objects, murder them horribly, thats fair. Gosh, I can't wait for the new wonderful Islamic world we are going to enjoy. :thinking:



Actually I think the hill of Tara in Co Meath, Ireland, should be made into the centre of the world (well at least until we drive that Motorway through it, as its getting in the way with all that ancient history and stuff, like). ;)


I must say I agree with all your sentiments.

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jennyswan;843509 wrote: I must say I agree with all your sentiments.

Crazy, crazy world :-5


I'm trying to understand the reason anyone thinks this is possible. Does anyone convert to Islam because they're compelled? Not that I'm aware of. Do they convert because of persuasion? So I'm given to understand, yes - it's supposedly the fastest growing world religion at the moment. I wonder why.

Do people who speak English learn Arabic? Not many. Do people who speak Arabic learn English? Vast numbers of them. Who's aiming to develop the world's only language on that basis?

And yet the pair of you are terrified of being overrun by hordes of 7th century sword-wielding turbaned warriors on horseback. It's plain atavism, it must be buried deep in the folk psyche for it to emerge in otherwise intelligent people. Hordes of 7th century sword-wielding turbaned warriors on horseback can't reach Ireland and by God, if they do, you'll impound their horses for quarantine.

The people of Islam are, in general and on balance, those of the third world on third world incomes with third world aspirations and here we are thinking they'll take over the planet while all this time they've been watching us God-wielding Christians do exactly that. There's mirror thinking going on behind it, the switch of what we do to what we accuse "the enemy" of doing. That's exactly how the Soviets were turned into the stuff of nightmares.
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spot;843424 wrote: The French? The Bristolians?

In 1884, at the International Meridian Conference in Washington DC, the Greenwich Meridian was adopted as the prime meridian of the world. France abstained. The French clung to the Paris Meridian as a rival to Greenwich until 1911 for timekeeping purposes and 1914 for navigation. To this day, French cartographers continue to indicate the Paris Meridian on some maps.


Oh no, I meant that they want Mecca Standard Time is"pushing it." Not the French. Was that for me Spot? These posts get so disjointed sometimes. If it wasn't, my apology.
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spot;843578 wrote: I'm trying to understand the reason anyone thinks this is possible. Does anyone convert to Islam because they're compelled? Not that I'm aware of. Do they convert because of persuasion? So I'm given to understand, yes - it's supposedly the fastest growing world religion at the moment. I wonder why.

Do people who speak English learn Arabic? Not many. Do people who speak Arabic learn English? Vast numbers of them. Who's aiming to develop the world's only language on that basis?

And yet the pair of you are terrified of being overrun by hordes of 7th century sword-wielding turbaned warriors on horseback. It's plain atavism, it must be buried deep in the folk psyche for it to emerge in otherwise intelligent people. Hordes of 7th century sword-wielding turbaned warriors on horseback can't reach Ireland and by God, if they do, you'll impound their horses for quarantine.

The people of Islam are, in general and on balance, those of the third world on third world incomes with third world aspirations and here we are thinking they'll take over the planet while all this time they've been watching us God-wielding Christians do exactly that. There's mirror thinking going on behind it, the switch of what we do to what we accuse "the enemy" of doing. That's exactly how the Soviets were turned into the stuff of nightmares.


My gosh what has to be done before you stop revering these people, Spot?
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RedGlitter;843631 wrote: My gosh what has to be done before you stop revering these people, Spot?


Do you not see? It has nothing to do with Muslims, Muslims are in general civil respectable folk who have a rather better understanding of hospitality and honour than most Westerners. The fear I'm discussing is something based on Western guilt.
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RedGlitter;843621 wrote: Oh no, I meant that they want Mecca Standard Time is"pushing it." Not the French. Was that for me Spot? These posts get so disjointed sometimes. If it wasn't, my apology.


I'm not too good sometimes at quoting a context when my post immediately follows the one I'm replying to. I ought to force myself to be less lazy. I'm not sure anyone - French, Bristolian or Muslim - has any hopes of persuading anyone else to change the planetary frame of reference. As I said though, there's no reason not to go it alone.
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I vote for Texas! :D
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Good for you Sunny. That's why we all remember the Alamo.
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spot;843578 wrote: I'm trying to understand the reason anyone thinks this is possible. Does anyone convert to Islam because they're compelled? Not that I'm aware of. Do they convert because of persuasion? So I'm given to understand, yes - it's supposedly the fastest growing world religion at the moment. I wonder why.

Do people who speak English learn Arabic? Not many. Do people who speak Arabic learn English? Vast numbers of them. Who's aiming to develop the world's only language on that basis?

And yet the pair of you are terrified of being overrun by hordes of 7th century sword-wielding turbaned warriors on horseback. It's plain atavism, it must be buried deep in the folk psyche for it to emerge in otherwise intelligent people. Hordes of 7th century sword-wielding turbaned warriors on horseback can't reach Ireland and by God, if they do, you'll impound their horses for quarantine.

The people of Islam are, in general and on balance, those of the third world on third world incomes with third world aspirations and here we are thinking they'll take over the planet while all this time they've been watching us God-wielding Christians do exactly that. There's mirror thinking going on behind it, the switch of what we do to what we accuse "the enemy" of doing. That's exactly how the Soviets were turned into the stuff of nightmares.


Spot you are also supposed to be intelligent, look around you, and wake up.
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spot;843799 wrote: Do you not see? It has nothing to do with Muslims, Muslims are in general civil respectable folk who have a rather better understanding of hospitality and honour than most Westerners. The fear I'm discussing is something based on Western guilt.


Oh, I don't fall for that at all. Especially honor. Not at all.

And guilt? Over what?
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RedGlitter;844294 wrote: Oh, I don't fall for that at all. Especially honor. Not at all.

And guilt? Over what?


The "civil respectable folk who have a rather better understanding of hospitality and honour " bit? Ask someone who's lived there.

The guilt bit? Tearing apart a functioning state and leaving 10% of its surviving population displaced from their home regions? I don't even mention those who didn't survive, they're so obvious.
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Galbally;844280 wrote: Spot you are also supposed to be intelligent, look around you, and wake up.


The trick is to call me on an inaccurate fact that I claim, and on which I've based the conclusion you dispute. That way my position becomes untenable instead of merely disagreed with, we already knew from "lets make Arabic the worlds only language, Islam the worlds only religion, and turn everywhere into Saudi Arabia" that we disagreed. You're implying that Muslims want Arabic to be the sole world language, for instance, and my post pointed out the inverse reality. Am I wrong about that? Or about the idea that anyone in Ireland might be compelled to become Muslim rather than to actively choose conversion?
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If you ever learn to spell Muslims in a non-offensive manner perhaps we'll discuss the notion.
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spot;843799 wrote: Do you not see? It has nothing to do with Muslims, Muslims are in general civil respectable folk who have a rather better understanding of hospitality and honour than most Westerners. The fear I'm discussing is something based on Western guilt.
A better understanding of honour than we do - really - unless of course you think it's honourable to kill your daughter because she wouldn't wear a hijab is a good understanding of honour, or killing your daughters because they had boyfriends is honourable !



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Has it occurred to nobody in this thread so far that as a friendly gesture changing the meridian to Mecca costs practically nothing? Where it is now is a cultural consequence from so long ago that nobody can remember it happening. It's a simple mark beside a Restoration building in south east London. There's a mechanism for adjusting the date-time master clocks which is currently used for drift seconds, it would take a simple one-off adjustment to re-calibrate on Mecca with very little work beside testing and checking, it's a marginal amount of effort. It wouldn't affect anyone's body clock to achieve it, we'd be in our local time zones before and after, they'd still say it was around 12 noon when the sun was high in the local sky just as they always did.

It's a hand of friendship that would mean a great deal to those who have asked. GMT would simply mean Global Mean Time instead of Greenwich Mean Time and Zulu time would retain its existing definition, the meridian would pass through Mecca and the Muslims would regard it as a fitting result given their reverence and historical associations for the location.

I say go for it. What's the cost of something so priceless? It doesn't even convert anyone.
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freetobeme;844423 wrote: A better understanding of honour than we do - really - unless of course you think it's honourable to kill your daughter because she wouldn't wear a hijab is a good understanding of honour, or killing your daughters because they had boyfriends is honourable !Far more daughters are killed in other cultures than primarily Islamic ones. I use "culture" deliberately because this reprehensible (and rare) honour killing business is entirely culture-centred and not even slightly to do with religion. The request we're discussing, on the other hand, is.
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spot;844426 wrote: Far more daughters are killed in other cultures than primarily Islamic ones. I use "culture" deliberately because this reprehensible (and rare) honour killing business is entirely culture-centred and not even slightly to do with religion.
It's not that rare, the two I referred to were recent, one in Toronto and on in Texas. According to this site http://www.gendercide.org/case_honour.html

Most "honour" killings of women occur in Muslim countries, the focus of this case study; but it is worth noting that no sanction for such murders is granted in Islamic religion or law. And the phenomenon is in any case a global one. According to Stephanie Nebehay, such killings "have been reported in Bangladesh, Britain, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Morocco, Sweden, Turkey and Uganda." Afghanistan, where the practice is condoned under the rule of the fundamentalist Taliban movement, can be added to the list, along with Iraq and Iran. (Nebehay, "'Honor Killings' of Women Said on Rise Worldwide," Reuters dispatch, April 7, 2000.)


http://www.kent.edu/Magazine/Spring2007/JustCause.cfm

According to a United Nations report, at least 5,000 women worldwide each year are murdered under the pretext of “honor killings.” As defined by UNICEF, an honor killing is an ancient practice in which men kill female relatives in the name of family honor for forced or suspected sexual relations outside marriage.

While the majority of honor killings take place in primarily Muslim nations, it is not part of Islamic religious practice, says Dr. Nawal Ammar, Kent State professor of justice studies. In an Islamic context, punishment for infidelity is 100 lashes if the woman is single, or death by stoning if married. In both cases, however, four witnesses must ....
gee death by stoning - very honourable indeed





Apart from that, I see no reason to change a perfectly good system to appease one particular religious group.



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What did you write that disagreed with what I wrote, as far as honour killings go? You slid past my main point that far more daughters are killed in other cultures than primarily Islamic ones.

Where did "appease" come from? We're talking about a gift.
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spot;844342 wrote: The "civil respectable folk who have a rather better understanding of hospitality and honour " bit? Ask someone who's lived there.

The guilt bit? Tearing apart a functioning state and leaving 10% of its surviving population displaced from their home regions? I don't even mention those who didn't survive, they're so obvious.


We've no guilt nor any reason to have any. That's ridiculous. And as far as your perceived notion of honor, that's a judgement call.
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Muslims are in general civil respectable folk who have a rather better understanding of hospitality and honour than most Westerners

It speaks to your statement about muslims generally having a better understanding of honour than most westerners - I beg to differ.

It would be a form of appeasement. Every time we appease, change the rules, give in to demands or accommodate a Muslim group, we are enabling and furthering global Islamization.

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RedGlitter;844442 wrote: [quote=spot]The guilt bit? Tearing apart a functioning state and leaving 10% of its surviving population displaced from their home regions? I don't even mention those who didn't survive, they're so obvious.We've no guilt nor any reason to have any. That's ridiculous. [/QUOTE]And your reason for tearing Iraq apart and leaving 10% of its surviving population displaced from their home regions was what, exactly? I'm not sure I understood that bit, perhaps you could explain it to me in a sentence or two. It ought to be easy.
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freetobeme;844444 wrote: It would be a form of appeasement. Every time we appease, change the rules, give in to demands or accommodate a Muslim group, we are enabling and furthering global Islamization.How does moving the meridian to Mecca enable and further "global Islamization"? I said earlier it doesn't make so much as a single convert.

The group asking feel it would be meaningful from their religious perspective. Keeping it in London means nothing whatever to either Londoners or the British. It's a free gift with no demands, no appeasement, no accommodation. It's just plain neighbourly. I'll write to my Member of Parliament asking him to put it forward as a proposal.
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It's just removing one western concept, all part of the wheel that's turning.

I'll post this here as I don't think it needs another thread...

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.a ... 683AEED74D

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious [rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:" cont...





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So spot, if the Pope, a Rabbi in Israel, or the Dali Llama were to suggest a location that should be center of the world time zones, would that be ok?
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spot;844445 wrote: And your reason for tearing Iraq apart and leaving 10% of its surviving population displaced from their home regions was what, exactly? I'm not sure I understood that bit, perhaps you could explain it to me in a sentence or two. It ought to be easy.


Why should I Spot? You tear us a new one every time you can find an opportunity to slide in another remark. I don't play the game.

As far as friendly gesture, we're not necessarily interested in their friendship, or haven't you understood that part yet?

To make it simpler, we don't need to. That's why.
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spot;844446 wrote: How does moving the meridian to Mecca enable and further "global Islamization"? I said earlier it doesn't make so much as a single convert.

The group asking feel it would be meaningful from their religious perspective. Keeping it in London means nothing whatever to either Londoners or the British. It's a free gift with no demands, no appeasement, no accommodation. It's just plain neighbourly. I'll write to my Member of Parliament asking him to put it forward as a proposal.


And what do we do when some other group wants to move it for *their* religious perspective? You can't have everything you want in the name of religion. It's fine like it is. Let 'em buy a special watch.
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Sheryl;843399 wrote: Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) could be replaced by "Mecca Time," if a group of Muslim leaders get their way.




It's surprising that they are griping about GMT, while the world uses the Christian calendar date of 2008, a figure based on the birth of Christ (although He was most likely born about six years earlier.)



In the Islamic calendar, it's 1429.
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Jester;844461 wrote: Interesting...

Apparently you can offend a Muslum by misspelling their religion. Seems perfectly normal in the culture of Muslums to be offended for such a minor issue.

About par for the course.:-2
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Richard Bell;844467 wrote: It's surprising that they are griping about GMT, while the world uses the Christian calendar date of 2008, a figure based on the birth of Christ (although He was most likely born about six years earlier.)



In the Islamic calendar, it's 1429.


How are the two subjects related? The bit of the world you move around in uses Common Era, CE. The bits in the Muslim world most often use their dating system, the Jews use one, Russia seems to have adopted Gregorian's calendar at long last. The Revolutionary Calendar of the French Republic still appears in furtive publications. Moving the meridian has no practical effect on any of them.
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why move the meridian though? Its as meaningful as moving it to hammertime or bloody chico time IMO. I have nothing against Islam - my brother and his family are all Muslim - good luck to them, but pandering to ANY religion is not a good idea, You cant please them all. Im a secularist
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suzy_creamcheese;844547 wrote: why move the meridian though? Its as meaningful as moving it to hammertime or bloody chico time IMO. I have nothing against Islam - my brother and his family are all Muslim - good luck to them, but pandering to ANY religion is not a good idea, You cant please them all. Im a secularist


I don't know of any other major world religion that's announced a particular point on the planet as being the true centre of the Earth, that's all. There's only one such claim, only one such meridian, it's available to be allocated because it's not rationally fixed to anywhere, it seems a friendly gesture on the part of the world's non-Muslims to let them have it since they asked nicely. They do after all want it, and I can't see any reason for not letting them have their way over it. Is there a reason not to other than inertia or intolerance?
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spot;844616 wrote: I don't know of any other major world religion that's announced a particular point on the planet as being the true centre of the Earth, that's all. There's only one such claim, only one such meridian, it's available to be allocated because it's not rationally fixed to anywhere, it seems a friendly gesture on the part of the world's non-Muslims to let them have it since they asked nicely. They do after all want it, and I can't see any reason for not letting them have their way over it. Is there a reason not to other than inertia or intolerance?


Well so what? Why waste time being friendly, whoever said tolerance of Islam is a good idea? Complete Intolerance and contempt for everything that is not Islam seems to have done the Muslims a power of good, it certainly seems to earn your repsect. I feel quite differently about it, and I don't go in for this good Muslim/Bad Muslim routine, whereby appeasement of the slightly less intimidating intellectual wing of Islamicism is seen as a way of buying off the bright eyed shock-troops of Allah, all very 1930s. I don't feel like being friendly.

Mecca is not the centre of the Earth or the Universe, no more than London, Rome, Delhi or New York is, Grenwich is used by convention, its already been agreed, a long time ago. Perhaps when the leaders of Islam learn to accept that their ideas do not have sole authority over all spheres of human life, and they are not going to ever be a position to hector, bully, out-breed, intimidate, denounce, or bomb everyone and everything into submission either to them, their religion, or their god, then perhaps the 80 percent of Earth's population that are not Muslim might be a little more ameanable to listening to their harebrained schemes.
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spot;844616 wrote: I don't know of any other major world religion that's announced a particular point on the planet as being the true centre of the Earth, that's all. There's only one such claim, only one such meridian, it's available to be allocated because it's not rationally fixed to anywhere, it seems a friendly gesture on the part of the world's non-Muslims to let them have it since they asked nicely. They do after all want it, and I can't see any reason for not letting them have their way over it. Is there a reason not to other than inertia or intolerance?


Surely you are not suggesting that by not acquiesing to their request we are 'intolerant'

It would be nice if these Muslims got just as upset or offended by 9/11 etc. as they do about datelines and cartoons.

Not to mention that it's a tad ridiculous to measure time from a religious perspective. To think this would happen in 2008 A.D.... oh gee, if we adopted ng Mecca time would I also have to set my calendar back a couple of hundred years as well, and how would this affect my choice of bacon for breakfast and reading Winnie the Pooh to the kids ?

Guess tho, that infidels wouldn't be allowed to use Mecca time would they?

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Re ... ts/300660/

and here I think we have the real reason for this request LOL

The geologist said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time this changed.





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Yes fascinating, I have some general Judeo-Christian suggestions for Islam and Muslims in return.

1. Return Anatolia and Thrace to the Greeks including Constantinople, enough of this "Istanbul" nonsense.

2. Syria, Antioch and Damascus as well, thats ours too.

3. Lebanon, you know it makes sense.

4. North Africa, that was ours too, can we have it back please.

5. Egypt, used to be Greek under the Ptolemys, then Roman, then Christian, they make nice cotton, hand it over.

6. Give back the site of the Al Asqa mosque to the Jews, they were there first.

7. Put back them statues the Taliban blew up in Afganistan.

8. If you feel that unhappy living amoung the awful Kaffirs then agree to leave any non muslim countries, and move instead to the Muslim world and have your lovely caliphate there, start in the morning, we will help you pack, seriously, but expect to have a lot of free time on your hands, you can fill it by praying.

9. Don't come looking for handouts when the oil runs out.

10. Say sorry to the Armenians, the Southern Sudanese, The Chadians, the Ethopians, the Kurds, The Georgians, the Serbs, The Indians, The Russians, The Thais, the Fillipinos, and generally to everyone whom you have p*ssed off on your never ending quest to dominate all human life.

10. If you do all that, you can have Israel (except the Temple Mount and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre). As for the Jews, we will put them up somewhere more pleasant, like you know, the West Coast of Anatolia, which you will of coursde vacate, while apolgizing to the Greeks for driving them out of it. What was Israel will be a dustbowl in 20 years of course, but you can always pray harder. Bye.
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Galbally.....:yh_hugs



Short from today's news:

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) could be replaced by "Mecca Time," if a group of Muslim leaders get their way.

At the conference, "Mecca, the Center of the Earth, Theory and Practice," Muslim scientists and clerics called for the change, arguing that the holy city in Saudi Arabia is the center of the Earth and should be the reference point for world time, not Greenwich, England, the British Broadcasting Corp. reports.

One geologist at the Qatar conference said Mecca's longitude is perfectly aligned with magnetic north and should therefore replace the English city, which has been measuring time zones since 1884, the BBC reports.

Mecca Watch," an invention by a French Muslim which reportedly rotates counter-clockwise and displays Mecca's direction from any point in the world, the BBC said. The conference is part of a trend called “Ijaz al-Koran" or "miraculous nature of the holy text," which tries to find precedents for modern science from passages in the Koran, the BBC reports.

But its critics say Ijaz al-Koran confuses spiritual truth — which depends on constant faith — with empirical truth, which depends on ever-changing science, the BBC said.



Click here to read the full report at the BBC.



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posted by freetobeme

Not to mention that it's a tad ridiculous to measure time from a religious perspective. To think this would happen in 2008 A.D.... oh gee, if we adopted ng Mecca time would I also have to set my calendar back a couple of hundred years as well, and how would this affect my choice of bacon for breakfast and reading Winnie the Pooh to the kids ?


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I gave up at "have to set my calendar back a couple of hundred years" after all I'd said about the choice of calendar being independent of the meridian's location. Some people can't grasp concepts admittedly, I can cope with that, but to find people who can't read simple sentences is dispiriting.
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spot;845162 wrote: I gave up at "have to set my calendar back a couple of hundred years" after all I'd said about the choice of calendar being independent of the meridian's location. Some people can't grasp concepts admittedly, I can cope with that, but to find people who can't read simple sentences is dispiriting.


We need more education obviously, also some municipal swimming pools, leisure centres, and extra money on the children's allowance for Gin, that should shut us up. :wah:
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I explained it badly.
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spot: Grant them this and they'll be immediately on to the next demand. No.
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