Yesterday in a video that FB posted, the subject of keeping recruiters away from schools came up. It showed service men stocking the school with brochures and handing out literature and talking to the kids. So I've been thinking on this. A lot. And I'm torn. On one hand I know we have to have recurrent fresh blood if we're going to have a decent military. And we do need to have one.
On the other hand, I see these guys as bloodsucking leeches feasting on easy prey.
What is your take?
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RedGlitter
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Coming up in a military minded family, I see nothing wrong with recruiters being in schools. Students are "courted" by colleges for the students sports skills. Why is that more acceptable than his country's needs?
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On the other hand, I see these guys as bloodsucking leeches feasting on easy prey.
I know they have a job to do, but the promises they make are laughable. I talked to two Navy recruiters because of them going to my daughter's school. While it's their job to recruit people, noone said I had to make it easy on them. :sneaky: :wah:
I know they have a job to do, but the promises they make are laughable. I talked to two Navy recruiters because of them going to my daughter's school. While it's their job to recruit people, noone said I had to make it easy on them. :sneaky: :wah:
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If you're going to let in one recruiter, you have to allow them all in. Banning military recruiters should mean banning career day.
I don't know how successful they are recruiting from high schools, but for many the military is the best prospect next to drug dealing & burglary.
I don't know how successful they are recruiting from high schools, but for many the military is the best prospect next to drug dealing & burglary.
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There's an obvious cohort of 16-20 year olds perfectly suitable to recruitment sat in jails around the country, they should all be given an option to wipe the slate by signing up for at least as many years as their current sentence maximum.
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I'll drink to that.
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spot;856194 wrote: There's an obvious cohort of 16-20 year olds perfectly suitable to recruitment sat in jails around the country, they should all be given an option to wipe the slate by signing up for at least as many years as their current sentence maximum.
Spot On :-6
Spot On :-6
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That would make sense on a case-by-case basis.
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Accountable;856245 wrote: That would make sense on a case-by-case basis.
An ability to become physically fit and the capacity to read, write and subtract. "Well there were six and I killed two so there's... one left" just isn't Army material.
An ability to become physically fit and the capacity to read, write and subtract. "Well there were six and I killed two so there's... one left" just isn't Army material.
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Sounds good to me with the exception of Charlie Manson, Scott Peterson, and almost everyone on death row or serving a sentence for murder. The rest could be productive citizens in the Military and serve their country while learning a trade or skill at the same time. What better way to turn someones life around.
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by spot
There's an obvious cohort of 16-20 year olds perfectly suitable to recruitment sat in jails around the country, they should all be given an option to wipe the slate by signing up for at least as many years as their current sentence maximum.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by spot
There's an obvious cohort of 16-20 year olds perfectly suitable to recruitment sat in jails around the country, they should all be given an option to wipe the slate by signing up for at least as many years as their current sentence maximum.[/QUOTE]
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CARLA;856299 wrote: Sounds good to me with the exception of Charlie Manson, Scott Peterson, and almost everyone on death row or serving a sentence for murder. The rest could be productive citizens in the Military and serve their country while learning a trade or skill at the same time. What better way to turn someones life around.
My thinking was that it's difficult to become a Charlie Manson or a Scott Peterson before the age of 20 however hard one exerts oneself in that direction. Society's had too little time to leach the goodness out of the person.
My thinking was that it's difficult to become a Charlie Manson or a Scott Peterson before the age of 20 however hard one exerts oneself in that direction. Society's had too little time to leach the goodness out of the person.
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Okay here's my problem with that. We are supposed to honor our service men and women. If you stick a child molester or a rapist out there, regardless of what he may be doing for his country, he would in my opinion, be shaming the uniform. He would not deserve my respect. I'm not sure it would be better to have people in there who are just looking to escape prison, rather than patriotic people who want to be there. And if you put a killer out there, is that really ethical?
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RedGlitter;856321 wrote: Okay here's my problem with that. We are supposed to honor our service men and women. If you stick a child molester or a rapist out there, regardless of what he may be doing for his country, he would in my opinion, be shaming the uniform. He would not deserve my respect. I'm not sure it would be better to have people in there who are just looking to escape prison, rather than patriotic people who want to be there. And if you put a killer out there, is that really ethical?
Thus my case-by-case caviat.
Thus my case-by-case caviat.
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Nooooooo way do I believe we should pull criminals out of prison to go to war. Why would I want a drug addict protecting me? There's plenty of drugs and alcohol available in the service, so they'll be nice and high, with a gun handed to them by uncle sam. I think not.
Having a son in the military used to be the most honorable thing a parent could feel, but now the fear I believe is so overpowering it's gotten us to the point of wanting to ban them from recruiting. That's just not right.
Having a 17 yr old son who mentions joining the military frightens the crapola out of me, but I'll tell you what............I read his myspace that he mistakenly left open the other day, and his reasons he discusses with his friends for wanting to join? To get back our country cuz he's tired of hearing how we're being taken advantage of and wants to protect his country. How much prouder can a mother be? But then, how much more fearful can one be?
Having a son in the military used to be the most honorable thing a parent could feel, but now the fear I believe is so overpowering it's gotten us to the point of wanting to ban them from recruiting. That's just not right.
Having a 17 yr old son who mentions joining the military frightens the crapola out of me, but I'll tell you what............I read his myspace that he mistakenly left open the other day, and his reasons he discusses with his friends for wanting to join? To get back our country cuz he's tired of hearing how we're being taken advantage of and wants to protect his country. How much prouder can a mother be? But then, how much more fearful can one be?
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That is why ACC case by case review would be the only way to weed them out. I agree murders, rapest, child molestors would never get this opportunity ever.
[QUOTE]Thus my case-by-case caviat.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Thus my case-by-case caviat.[/QUOTE]
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WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
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RedGlitter;856321 wrote: Okay here's my problem with that. We are supposed to honor our service men and women. If you stick a child molester or a rapist out there, regardless of what he may be doing for his country, he would in my opinion, be shaming the uniform. He would not deserve my respect. I'm not sure it would be better to have people in there who are just looking to escape prison, rather than patriotic people who want to be there. And if you put a killer out there, is that really ethical?
When servicemen were conscripted they had honour since they had no choice. Since conscription was abolished servicemen (and, as you say, women) have a career which involves, in exchange, voluntarily abandoning their choice of whether to kill or not to kill. I don't see that abandonment in exchange for money and training and career prospects to be honourable in the slightest, I think it's an appalling abdication of honour. It leaves a job which would be far better performed by, if you insist on the classifications, murderers, rapists and child molesters though I think you'd need rather more selectable categories than just those. Giving up your choice of whether to kill or not to kill is far worse than anything they've ever done.
When servicemen were conscripted they had honour since they had no choice. Since conscription was abolished servicemen (and, as you say, women) have a career which involves, in exchange, voluntarily abandoning their choice of whether to kill or not to kill. I don't see that abandonment in exchange for money and training and career prospects to be honourable in the slightest, I think it's an appalling abdication of honour. It leaves a job which would be far better performed by, if you insist on the classifications, murderers, rapists and child molesters though I think you'd need rather more selectable categories than just those. Giving up your choice of whether to kill or not to kill is far worse than anything they've ever done.
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So a load of society rebels and outcasts are going to be forced into the military. What happens if they say no? Put them in prison, shoot a few as examples? Just what you need in the modern world....a pile of miscreants that you have paid to be toughened up and trained as killers and then de-humanised by sending them into combat. Not to mention, how loyal are they going to be to a society that is using them as cannon fodder..........:-2
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I'm glad you can see a difference between what you describe and what you've got now, I'm not sure I can.
Why shoot those who won't sign up - they're already in jail. If they won't serve they complete their sentence, it's quite a simple incentive. No US citizen need die in consequence, jailed or otherwise.
The whole scheme seems a better one than offering US citizenship to a whole stack of Honduran fitness fanatics who like playing with guns.
Why shoot those who won't sign up - they're already in jail. If they won't serve they complete their sentence, it's quite a simple incentive. No US citizen need die in consequence, jailed or otherwise.
The whole scheme seems a better one than offering US citizenship to a whole stack of Honduran fitness fanatics who like playing with guns.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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did anyone ever see that programme, err, I can't remember its name sorry. It was a reality tv programme anyway, but unlike most it was actually pretty interesting. They took a group of young men - late teens to early 20s- who were all headed for trouble, most had criminal records etc or had been thrown out of school, and put them through a boot camp type army training. It was really interesting, because quite a few of them actually signed up for the army at the end of it, and almost all of them had much higher aspirations by the end - whether it came to anything or not I don't know, but it certainly seemed more beneficial than sitting around at home or in a jail cell.