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RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:56 am

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Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Tue May 13, 2008 7:00 am

Ironic!

Post by **spot** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:19 pm

Ironic implies truth, surely. That's a horribly untrue image. In what sense are we supposed to approach a lie like that? Laugh?

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:48 pm

I dont get it

Post by **spot** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:24 pm

If I had to guess it's a still from a dreadful B movie from the 80s. I have no idea, I'm merely guessing. RG will undoubtedly know where she acquired it. She might even explain why she made a thread out of it.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:50 pm

Spot I was counting on a comment like that from you- you don't disappoint.

It speaks for itself and I figured people will either get it or they won't, which is why I made no comment about it. I wanted to see what people had to say.

Why would you think it to be a movie still? Weirder things than this happen all the time in life.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:51 pm

Chezzie;864771 wrote: I dont get it

Chezzie, it's a team of black medical staff trying to save a Klan member. Note the pointy hood and the logo on his gown.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:59 pm

RedGlitter;864794 wrote: Chezzie, it's a team of black medical staff trying to save a Klan member. Note the pointy hood and the logo on his gown.

Ok so now I understand what's in the pic. Is it about "it doesnt matter who you are and what you stand for, everyone is worth saving"?

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:04 pm

Chezzie;864799 wrote: Ok so now I understand what's in the pic. Is it about "it doesnt matter who you are and what you stand for, everyone is worth saving"?

Or, the guy happens to own the hospital..

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:13 pm

YZGI;864803 wrote: Or, the guy happens to own the hospital..

:wah::wah::wah:

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:18 pm

I should think it is that guy on the stretcher's worst nightmare !!!

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:26 pm

Chezzie;864799 wrote: Ok so now I understand what's in the pic. Is it about "it doesnt matter who you are and what you stand for, everyone is worth saving"?

Uh...well I wouldn't go that far, Chez...I mean I tend to think the only good Klux is a dead Klux...I just saw that picture and the irony jumped at me. I love that that scum is at the mercy of his "enemies."

cars · Post by **cars** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:59 pm

Treat unto others, as you would have them threat unto you!!! :wah:

Post by **spot** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:42 pm

RedGlitter;864822 wrote: Uh...well I wouldn't go that far, Chez...I mean I tend to think the only good Klux is a dead Klux...I just saw that picture and the irony jumped at me. I love that that scum is at the mercy of his "enemies."Ironic implies truth, surely. That's a horribly untrue image. In what sense are we supposed to approach a lie like that?RedGlitter wrote: Weirder things than this happen all the time in life.Don't be stupid. You know perfectly well it's posed fiction intended as comedy. Have you no interest at all in discovering its origin?

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:46 pm

That image would've been a good thing for me to present to my class, we are studying racism, stereotyping, ethnic backgrounds of the United states, and last week was slavery and how the African Americans have evolved in the United States over the years.....

I'm sure some of my African American classmates would've had a comment about the image....:rolleyes:

Post by **spot** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:47 pm

A society that plain refuses to distinguish between fact and fiction is a very sick society.

Evolved??? Wow that's one unfortunate word in that context.

Post by **spot** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:54 pm

I'll tell you how you know for a fact that that inane image is fictional. The guy on the gurney still has his KKK pointy hat on. The image needs that to inform the more imbecilic among its audience that this is a KKK member on the gurney. In real life, from lying on the street after getting shot to being put into the ambulance to being worked on by a resuscitation team to being off-loaded to the gurney, does anyone think that at each lift someone's going to make sure the guy's hat stays in place?

That's a TV studio or a comic-book photo-story, one or the other, and the pointy hat's part of the message.

WonderWendy3 · Post by **WonderWendy3** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:01 pm

spot;864966 wrote: A society that plain refuses to distinguish between fact and fiction is a very sick society.

Evolved??? Wow that's one unfortunate word in that context.

That was the word used in the text, honest...This was the exact wording of the assignment....

"How do you think slavery influenced the evolution of both Black and White America today?"--and we were to explain our answer

Post by **spot** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:12 pm

WonderWendy3;864968 wrote: That was the word used in the text, honest...This was the exact wording of the assignment....

"How do you think slavery influenced the evolution of both Black and White America today?"--and we were to explain our answer

It's a world of difference!!

African American society has undoubtedly evolved in the United States over the years but God help the academic who tries to claim that African Americans have. The one is a statement, the other is a racial slur.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed May 14, 2008 12:55 am

spot;864964 wrote: Ironic implies truth, surely. That's a horribly untrue image. In what sense are we supposed to approach a lie like that?Don't be stupid. You know perfectly well it's posed fiction intended as comedy. Have you no interest at all in discovering its origin?

spot;864967 wrote: I'll tell you how you know for a fact that that inane image is fictional. The guy on the gurney still has his KKK pointy hat on. The image needs that to inform the more imbecilic among its audience that this is a KKK member on the gurney. In real life, from lying on the street after getting shot to being put into the ambulance to being worked on by a resuscitation team to being off-loaded to the gurney, does anyone think that at each lift someone's going to make sure the guy's hat stays in place?

That's a TV studio or a comic-book photo-story, one or the other, and the pointy hat's part of the message.

Spot, you're coming close to a very dangerous line that shouldn't be crossed. It was just last year when you called me a white supremacist and I let that one go. Now you're telling me I'm stupid too. I usually ignore it when you present yourself as holier than thou but that ceases now.

You need to mind better the things you say to people.

Actually, the emblem on the guy's shirt is just as telling as his pointy hood.

Have you ever ridden in an ambulance, Spot? Or been taken into the ER ward? The medical staff doesn't have time to F around with your hat; they are too busy trying to save you.

As for its origin, since you know everything everybody else doesn't, why don't you provide the photo's factual origin then? I'm sure I would be mistaken regardless of anything I said.

Dewey2Me1MoThyme · Post by **Dewey2Me1MoThyme** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:25 am

Why is it that anythyme one mentions whites and blacks in the same sentence, or in this case, DOESN'T, A Rev. Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or a hand drawn facimilie has to jump out of the bushes flasing the racist card? I must have missed something here. The photo in itself is not racist, it shows nurses who happen to look very caring and worried for their patient rushing to save his life. And if anything, it shines a nice light on the blacks. There was no caption demeaning anyone, and lets assume that Spot is right, since he has already made that assumption himself, and the photo is staged, does that make it "racist" or demeaning". The only thing I have seen demeaning in this entire thread is his treatment of the poster. I think IMHO, that it is a message of hamanity and nothing less. :-5

Dew

"anything worth dewing is worth dewing well"

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:48 am

WOW i would really love to know for sure if this picture is real or not!

if it is real it speaks volumes, but if it is some still from a movie or something that was played as a joke then thats a totally different story!

Post by **spot** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:20 am

Hope6;865042 wrote: WOW i would really love to know for sure if this picture is real or not!

if it is real it speaks volumes, but if it is some still from a movie or something that was played as a joke then thats a totally different story!

It's less easy to find out when it's posted without a hint of its origin but never mind.

It's an advert. From a series produced by Large magazine, whatever that is. The person who decided to pretend it was real trimmed off the advertising slogan "For People Who Think Bigger Than They Are":

The medical staff doesn't have time to F around keeping your hat on your head; they are too busy trying to save you.

Seriously, RG, nobody with an ounce of brain could think that image was real and I'm convinced you knew it was impossible. That's why I asked your motive in posting it.

Hope6 · Post by **Hope6** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:30 am

spot;865066 wrote: It's less easy to find out when it's posted without a hint of its origin but never mind.

It's an advert. From a series produced by Large magazine, whatever that is. The person who decided to pretend it was real trimmed off the advertising slogan "For People Who Think Bigger Than They Are":

The medical staff doesn't have time to F around keeping your hat on your head; they are too busy trying to save you.

Seriously, RG, nobody with an ounce of brain could think that image was real and I'm convinced you knew it was impossible. That's why I asked your motive in posting it.

okay so it's from a magazine advertisement! wow! my first thought was maybe a scene from a tv show like ER or something!

one question though how in the world did you find it?

i have to commend you Spot, you are one smart guy!:-6

Post by **spot** » Wed May 14, 2008 3:51 am

i googled {hospital drama klan} and it was the third hit.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:06 am

spot;865066 wrote: It's less easy to find out when it's posted without a hint of its origin but never mind.

It's an advert. From a series produced by Large magazine, whatever that is. The person who decided to pretend it was real trimmed off the advertising slogan "For People Who Think Bigger Than They Are":

The medical staff doesn't have time to F around keeping your hat on your head; they are too busy trying to save you.

Seriously, RG, nobody with an ounce of brain could think that image was real and I'm convinced you knew it was impossible. That's why I asked your motive in posting it.

Spot, I'm really getting tired of your belittling and I'm going to ask you one time only to knock it off. I don't want to be rude to you but you're leaving me little choice.

If you were convinced I knew it was fake, then obviously you must be as brainless as I.

Post by **spot** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:29 am

I have an alternative theory which is that after so much lying, advertising and politics Americans can no longer distinguish fact from fiction, the concept no longer exists there. Is that an improvement?

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:34 am

spot;865098 wrote: I have an alternative theory which is that after so much lying, advertising and politics Americans can no longer distinguish fact from fiction, the concept no longer exists there. Is that an improvement?

Not even. Now it's the Americans again.

Post by **spot** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:38 am

It's a reasonable conclusion when you seem so insistent that it makes no difference whether what you post is based on fact or based on fiction. Someone wanted to create a message with that photo but they had no intention that it should be taken for journalism.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:40 am

You're so tiresome Spot.

Don't you ever go outside and play? Try it- it might freshen you up!

Post by **spot** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:44 am

http://cb6.dyndns.org/felicity/ is an exact description of my day so far and it's involved rather more fresh air than can be good for anyone.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:45 am

spot;865098 wrote: I have an alternative theory which is that after so much lying, advertising and politics Americans can no longer distinguish fact from fiction, the concept no longer exists there. Is that an improvement?

I would consider this a preconceived notion...

Post by **spot** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:52 am

K.Snyder;865109 wrote: I would consider this a preconceived notion...

It fits neatly with Gore Vidal's description of the United States Of Amnesia though, don't you think?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:57 am

spot;865112 wrote: It fits neatly with Gore Vidal's description of the United States Of Amnesia though, don't you think?

I don't let anyone speak for me...

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:45 am

I for one, am an American and never even considered this pic to be real, thats why I made a joke about it..Now all you Americans out there who never thought this pic was real stand up and be heard!!!!:wah:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Wed May 14, 2008 8:00 am

spot;864967 wrote: I'll tell you how you know for a fact that that inane image is fictional. The guy on the gurney still has his KKK pointy hat on. The image needs that to inform the more imbecilic among its audience that this is a KKK member on the gurney. In real life, from lying on the street after getting shot to being put into the ambulance to being worked on by a resuscitation team to being off-loaded to the gurney, does anyone think that at each lift someone's going to make sure the guy's hat stays in place?

That's a TV studio or a comic-book photo-story, one or the other, and the pointy hat's part of the message.

That put me in my place :wah::wah::wah:

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Wed May 14, 2008 8:42 am

spot;865066 wrote:

It's an advert

Ah, yes...good ol' Snopes...eases the pain. What a great resource.

I really like the middle picture on that Snopes page; the scruffy passerby giving a coin in the panhandler.

Great photo. Contrived and posed, obviously, but nicely done.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu May 15, 2008 5:44 pm

Why'd you go off on this, Spot? One ould think someone had used your sleeping kitten as a golf tee. Seems to me you're being awfully shrill for not much reason, which means I'm missing something, probably.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 15, 2008 9:40 pm

It's one of the central aspects of cultural dumbing-down of the age, Acc. It's a photo of a representation of an event which if it had happened would have warranted discussion of its ironic implications. It's an event which didn't happen. The asinine pretence that it did, or that it might have done, or what-if, or most importantly "it makes no difference whether", is the assault on the cultural kitten.

I like culture, I hate to see it mocked this way. The idea that the mocking is being done by people who are so deadened to what they're doing that they honestly don''t realize they're doing it makes me heave.

Can we all get it into our heads that I'm not joking, I'm not having a go for fun, I detest the ignorance that this thread implies not in terms of oh I thought it was a real photo but oh what difference does it make whether it's a photo from a genuine event or an advert. The barbarians are at the gates, civilization lost the battle, bring on Armageddon and let's all rebuild from scratch because there's nothing left worth saving.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Thu May 15, 2008 10:45 pm

Holy sh*t, somebody needs a laxative.

My God Spot, do you ever put as much effort into actual world and societal concerns as you do raking people over the coals on this virtual message board? If you did, perhaps your headupbuttery would actually be worth something. As it is, it's not worth worrying about.

Post by **spot** » Thu May 15, 2008 11:19 pm

RedGlitter;866888 wrote: Holy sh*t, somebody needs a laxative.

My God Spot, do you ever put as much effort into actual world and societal concerns as you do raking people over the coals on this virtual message board? If you did, perhaps your headupbuttery would actually be worth something. As it is, it's not worth worrying about.

Why do you feel incapable of commenting on what I say? From my point of view every line of it makes a lot of sense. The least you could do is try to understand why.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:09 am

spot;866893 wrote: Why do you feel incapable of commenting on what I say? From my point of view every line of it makes a lot of sense. The least you could do is try to understand why.

Spot, I usually don't try to discuss issues with you because I find your way of discussion to be argumentative too often. You must always be right or at least that is the impression you put forth, whether you are or are not aware of it. At first I thought you were simply chastizing me for not knowing fake from real in the photo I posted. But since, in reading your comments, I've realized by using terms like "dumbing down" and some of the comments you've made, that you have actually insulted every member who posted in this thread because evidently a lot of them took the photo for real as well.

When all's said and done, all FG is is just a message board. While I can appreciate the need for truth and accuracy, in the end I don't think anyone really cares much if threads like this make you or anyone else "heave."

I posted something I felt was amusing, you called me on its accuracy, okay I accepted that but then it continued to escalate into how dumb people, especially Americans (gotta throw that in there) are. That was unnecessary. As well when you told me "don't be stupid" that was an implication that I was. I don't need that from you, Spot. If you are wondering where the respect went, you might consider if what you say warrants any.

After the facts about the photo were established, we could have taken this thread into a number of directions and discussed several things, perhaps even including the level of gullibility among us humans, but it turned into this mess instead.

I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong on something or when I've made a mistake but I can do that without insulting comments from fellow members.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri May 16, 2008 3:30 am

You two need G damn escorts to make sure one doesn't enter an area the other is already in. f'in children, the both of you.

Grey's Anatomy had an episode along these lines. A guy needed surgery, but didn't want the black woman surgeon. H finally acquiesced on the condition that a white guy monitored to make sure she didn't do anything bad. Turns out he had a swastika tatooed on his belly.

The surgeon made sure her team was 100% not white. Pretty funny, right? Well, imagine the reaction of a team member when she realized that she was requested by name, not because of her outstanding skill, but because of her ethnicity.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri May 16, 2008 6:43 am

RedGlitter;866898 wrote: Spot, I usually don't try to discuss issues with you because I find your way of discussion to be argumentative too often. You must always be right or at least that is the impression you put forth, whether you are or are not aware of it. At first I thought you were simply chastizing me for not knowing fake from real in the photo I posted. But since, in reading your comments, I've realized by using terms like "dumbing down" and some of the comments you've made, that you have actually insulted every member who posted in this thread because evidently a lot of them took the photo for real as well.

When all's said and done, all FG is is just a message board. While I can appreciate the need for truth and accuracy, in the end I don't think anyone really cares much if threads like this make you or anyone else "heave."

I posted something I felt was amusing, you called me on its accuracy, okay I accepted that but then it continued to escalate into how dumb people, especially Americans (gotta throw that in there) are. That was unnecessary. As well when you told me "don't be stupid" that was an implication that I was. I don't need that from you, Spot. If you are wondering where the respect went, you might consider if what you say warrants any.

After the facts about the photo were established, we could have taken this thread into a number of directions and discussed several things, perhaps even including the level of gullibility among us humans, but it turned into this mess instead.

I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong on something or when I've made a mistake but I can do that without insulting comments from fellow members.

:yh_clap:yh_clap:yh_clap

You know it's pretty bad when even a "newbie" picks up on what's

being done and good for you for sussing it, DewMe:

There was no caption demeaning anyone, and lets assume that Spot is right, since he has already made that assumption himself, and the photo is staged, does that make it "racist" or demeaning". The only thing I have seen demeaning in this entire thread is his treatment of the poster

Dewey2Me1MoThyme · Post by **Dewey2Me1MoThyme** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:21 am

So am I to assume that if we post a joke, a tall tale or what have you, that we need to also post a disclaimer stating that the names, incidents and places are not to be mistaken for any person, place or event they may have similarities to? I have read many posts on here, and not once have I seen a disclaimer stating that attachments were real, fictional, or a combination of both. I must say, I have never seen "...." stir up such a hornets nest in my life. Me thinks there must be a splinter in someone's seat, and they are too lazy to get off their rump to remove it from their arse. Good grief Charlie Brown

Dew

"Anything worth dewing is worth dewing well"/SIZE]

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:39 am

I very rarely respond to threads that have "....." as the summary content or just a link with no effort to say why it was posted.

I don't really care whether the photo was real or not but I can see why the lack of commentary might have been worth a ruckus. My own input to this thread is that if you want me to comment on something, tell me why you're posting it.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:10 am

Some of you guys are a riot. :wah:

Disclaimers? Tell you why you should comment on a post? Ignore racism? Poppycock.

If I have to instruct someone as to why they should make a comment then I'm not really interested in that person's comment to start with. I enjoy discussion with people who can think for themselves. I don't do or need disclaimers. Nor do I or anyone else need to "be more cautious" with what we post. I post what I find to be worthy and if that doesn't appeal to someone, they can read something else. Racism is something that needs to be discussed until the day it dies or it will continue to fester.

As for dumbing down of Americans, RJ please speak for yourself and not all the rest of us. I have seen quite a bit of stupidity coming from our European counterparts and I assure you America does not have a monopoly on that.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:31 pm

RJ said:

Who besides you really gives a sh!t what your interested in, or what I'm interested in for that matter? Do you really think people are on this board for your benefit or entertainment, Red?

Exactly my point RJ! Thank you for proving it so well. Which is why it is all the more ridiculous for anyone to have gotten hot and bothered and holier than thou over what I posted.

And no, I don't have to admit that Americans are any dumber than our European counterparts nor will I accept that nonsense.

Nor am I defensive RJ, I just find you very argumentative, about as much as Spot actually and the constant bs is tiresome. As for constructive criticism, I don't remember asking for your or anyone else's critique, be it "constructive" or not. And as always RJ, if you aren't happy with what you read, feel free to move along!

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri May 16, 2008 3:50 pm

RedGlitter;866898 wrote: Spot, I usually don't try to discuss issues with you because I find your way of discussion to be argumentative too often. You must always be right or at least that is the impression you put forth, whether you are or are not aware of it.
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RedGlitter;867544 wrote: Some of you guys are a riot. :wah:

Disclaimers? Tell you why you should comment on a post? Ignore racism? Poppycock.

If I have to instruct someone as to why they should make a comment then I'm not really interested in that person's comment to start with. I enjoy discussion with people who can think for themselves. I don't do or need disclaimers. Nor do I or anyone else need to "be more cautious" with what we post. I post what I find to be worthy and if that doesn't appeal to someone, they can read something else. Racism is something that needs to be discussed until the day it dies or it will continue to fester.

RG, I usually don't try to discuss issues with you because I find your way of discussion to be argumentative too often. You must always be right or at least that is the impression you put forth, whether you are or are not aware of it.

(cheeky but accurate)