Those Chinese !

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:19 pm

There appears to be an inordinate amount of gold medals going to China.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:32 pm

and where did mustang go?:-2

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:42 pm

flopstock;959587 wrote: and where did mustang go?:-2

Im perplexed.

More so than usual

Stay focused and explain yourself

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Post by **spot** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:15 pm

Nomad;959582 wrote: There appears to be an inordinate amount of gold medals going to China.Few things are more ordinate, Nomad, and it's "number" not "amount" please, we don't weigh gold medals. Gold medals come in integer units.

I expect that when a country has a seven year build-up from being awarded the games to hosting them their athletes have a fixed goal to train for and they're slightly more determined to excel. I'm delighted with the way they're responded. Every one of their medals is the result of years of focused dedicated self-application.

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:38 pm

The countries that host the games seem to do really well medal wise. Good on them I say

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:13 am

Nomad;959582 wrote: There appears to be an inordinate amount of gold medals going to China.

What's this sour grapes cos your athletes are rubbish? Maybe you need to change the drug dosage or something-give them whatever Michael Phelps takes.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:34 am

Nomad;959582 wrote: There appears to be an inordinate amount of gold medals going to China.

Yeh I understand what you mean. They're winning so many they have to measure them by the pound to save time counting. Obviously they're taking all the money saved by slave labor to buy off judges. It's a good thing that Phelps guy is kind of slanty-eyed. :yh_think

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:39 am

gmc;959763 wrote: What's this sour grapes cos your athletes are rubbish? Maybe you need to change the drug dosage or something-give them whatever Michael Phelps takes.
Grapes are sour because grapes are rubbish! Don't you Scots know anything?

Besides, we don't have cost controls on our drugs so we can't afford the good stuff.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:37 am

spot;959603 wrote: Few things are more ordinate, Nomad, and it's "number" not "amount" please, we don't weigh gold medals. Gold medals come in integer units.

I expect that when a country has a seven year build-up from being awarded the games to hosting them their athletes have a fixed goal to train for and they're slightly more determined to excel. I'm delighted with the way they're responded. Every one of their medals is the result of years of focused dedicated self-application.

An inordinate integer of gold medals ?

Poppycock !

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:56 am

Nomad;959821 wrote: An inordinate integer of gold medals ?

Poppycock !

Oh dear. The number you're searching for, just at the moment, is 47. Since we're not innumerate and it's countable the number of gold medals going to China is not inordinate. If (and I don't demand that it's the case) each gold medal weighs 120 grams then the amount of gold medals they've won is 5.64 kilograms. If you express that in atoms you're back to a number again instead of an amount. Atoms are countable even if your total's an approximation, weights aren't.

The word you were fishing for in your first post was "lot".

Patsy Warnick · Post by **Patsy Warnick** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:41 am

Is everyone in agreement with the scoring system which generates that Gold or Silver?

I didn't care for the new scoring system for Gymnastics .

After giving it more thought I suppose the new system was more accurate.

instead of a score of 8 you get a 15.7..?

Some of the scores were a surprise..

I noticed that on some men events didn't have the same new scoring system - can't think of which at the moment. ??

Nomad are you saying your not in agreement with the results?

I'm not so much in agreement with the results on all events

I certainly enjoyed the Olympics

Patsy

G-man · Post by **G-man** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:48 am

Home field advantage.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:43 am

Alway home field advantage especially in the events that are judged. Yes they are good but some of the diving score for the China divers were over the top. But in the end its all good.

I can tell you for a fact that all the Womens Soccer team players had to have drug tests the day of the game, just prior to the game and immediately after even if they did play in the game.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:48 am

With a population of 1,321,851,888 they have pretty good chance of developing good athletes.

RankCountryGoldSilverBronzeTOTAL1China471725892USA313635102

The US has more overall but GOLD MEDALS are used for rankings.

The human rights stuff will be overcome in China in time......the so called 'civilised' western world wasn't too hot on human rights if you look back in history....not that many years ago if you delve deep enough.

This table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_O ... edal_count is interesting

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:58 am

A perceptive point, Bez. I grew up in a world where human rights in the Western World were effectively non-existent. I suspect that when people look back on us now from a fifty year perspective they'll see major flaws in what we consider good going. I reckon I can see quite a few just from here.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:39 pm

Nomad are you saying your not in agreement with the results?

Some results yes.

In the case of slanty eyed Phelps there can be no question. Its win/lose and unless theres a violation its not judged.

Some of the events that are judged like diving and womens gymnastics, the scores did seem over the top.

I wasnt looking for judging errors but I recognized them when I saw them.

Spock...shut up !

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:41 pm

[QUOTE=Nomad;960272]Some results yes.

In the case of slanty eyed Phelps there can be no question. Its win/lose and unless theres a violation its not judged.

QUOTE]

:wah: Phelps is back home here right now, his mom went to school too yesterday like the rest of us. But he is going to do some nice things here for the kids, so he is the hometown hero.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:44 pm

chonsigirl;960276 wrote: [quote=Nomad;960272]Some results yes.

In the case of slanty eyed Phelps there can be no question. Its win/lose and unless theres a violation its not judged.

QUOTE]

:wah: Phelps is back home here right now, his mom went to school too yesterday like the rest of us. But he is going to do some nice things here for the kids, so he is the hometown hero.

Hes pushing junkfood on innocent children.

Deduct 10 points.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:47 pm

Ah, is he in fast food commercials? You can tell I don't pay attention. He is setting up a new aquatic center and ice skating center for Olympic training, great for the kids here.

Nothing nicer here Nomad, then swimming in the middle of winter in an indoor pool. I learned that last winter, 20 degrees or lower outside, nice 78+ in the pool. I am going to do it again this year.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:17 pm

chonsigirl;960276 wrote: [quote=Nomad;960272]Some results yes.

In the case of slanty eyed Phelps there can be no question. Its win/lose and unless theres a violation its not judged.

QUOTE]

:wah: Phelps is back home here right now, his mom went to school too yesterday like the rest of us. But he is going to do some nice things here for the kids, so he is the hometown hero.

Oh dear....I thought he was coming to London for the Bejing / London Olympic handover on sunday.......well he said he was in a TV Interview

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:23 pm

Nomad;960278 wrote: [quote=chonsigirl;960276]

Hes pushing junkfood on innocent children.

Deduct 10 points.

It's reported he eats 12,000 calories a day which includes :-

MICHAEL PHELPS' DIET

Breakfast: Three fried egg sandwiches; cheese; tomatoes; lettuce; fried onions; mayonnaise; three chocolate-chip pancakes; five-egg omelette; three sugar-coated slices of French toast; bowl of grits; two cups of coffee

Lunch: Half-kilogram (one pound) of enriched pasta; two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayonnaise on white bread; energy drinks

Dinner: Half-kilogram of pasta, with carbonara sauce; large pizza;

energy drinks

(from the BBC)

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:24 pm

Yes, it's true, can you imagine eating that much! Lots of people eat breakfast at the place he eats after morning practice, so much food that lean body can consume!

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:25 pm

Nomad;959582 wrote: There appears to be an inordinate amount of gold medals going to China

If you haven't heard, there is a huge controversy going on about the ages of 3 girls on the China gymnastics team. The IOC found enough evidence that they have ordered the International gymnastics commitee to do a full investigation. If they find that one girl is underage (they are saying 14), then China loses it's team gold and the USA will get the golds, and this same girl edged out an American on the uneven bars...so that gold could be stripped too and given to the American. If they find out the China team cheated, they would only be left with 2 bronze medals for the womens gymnastics.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:28 pm

shelbell;960422 wrote: If they find out the China team cheated,I do hope there's nobody actually hoping that they did.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:35 pm

spot;960436 wrote: I do hope there's nobody actually hoping that they did.

I watched most of the competitions and saw some really bad judging...totally screwed up and olympic golds snatched from the hand of some Americans. So, in a way, I hope they do find something to disqualify the China team...especially if they cheated their way to victory.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:36 pm

shelbell;960466 wrote: especially if they cheated their way to victory.If they did then of course one would hope so but rather an unlikely assumption.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:41 pm

spot;960473 wrote: If they did then of course one would hope so but rather an unlikely assumption.

A reporter was looking for info on this one girl and found that all pages of her's had disappeared from the internet. He dug a little deeper and found her birthdate listed as 1/1/94...that would put her at 14. Her passport stated that her birthdate was 1/1/92. This is why a full blown investigation was launched.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:01 pm

shelbell;960494 wrote: A reporter was looking for info on this one girl and found that all pages of her's had disappeared from the internet. He dug a little deeper and found her birthdate listed as 1/1/94...that would put her at 14. Her passport stated that her birthdate was 1/1/92. This is why a full blown investigation was launched.

Pages don't disappear, they might get deleted or changed but there's the wayback machine and search engine caches. I understood that the initial documents had been checked before the events by IOC and that they've been provided with a full set on request - birth, school records, passport, the works.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:06 pm

spot;960525 wrote: Pages don't disappear, they might get deleted or changed but there's the wayback machine and search engine caches. I understood that the initial documents had been checked before the events by IOC and that they've been provided with a full set on request - birth, school records, passport, the works.

I know pages don't disappear, but I think you know what I meant. The only thing I heard about the IOC is that they went strictly by what the passport says. If they had checked on the other info, then why would they be launching a full investigation into the ages of these girls?

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:14 pm

shelbell;960536 wrote: I know pages don't disappear, but I think you know what I meant. The only thing I heard about the IOC is that they went strictly by what the passport says. If they had checked on the other info, then why would they be launching a full investigation into the ages of these girls?

I wasn't very clear, was I. I understood that the initial documents normally requested from everyone - a passport sounds quite likely - had been checked before the events by IOC and that they've subsequently been provided with a full set on their request.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:20 pm

spot;960547 wrote: I wasn't very clear, was I. I understood that the initial documents normally requested from everyone - a passport sounds quite likely - had been checked before the events by IOC and that they've subsequently been provided with a full set on their request.

But the IOC has ordered the IGC to do a full investigation based on the findings. That was the last I heard very late last night.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:22 pm

shelbell;960559 wrote: But the IOC has ordered the IGC to do a full investigation based on the findings. That was the last I heard very late last night.

I'm sure we're saying much the same thing, the IOC requested the additional documents, the Chinese handed them over and the IGC has been given them for their investigation.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:27 pm

spot;960565 wrote: I'm sure we're saying much the same thing, the IOC requested the additional documents, the Chinese handed them over and the IGC has been given them for their investigation.

It does seem now that we're on the same page. :wah:

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:30 pm

Barman;960575 wrote: These young girls are taken from their families at a very young age if they show any talent. They are then schooled for events such as these, a bloody disgrace, and a loss of childhood. I hope they disqualify every last one of the under aged kids along with all the drug cheats.

When do top-grade English gymnasts pull out of regular schools so they can get national training? It's around 10 in Bristol.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:31 pm

Barman;960575 wrote: These young girls are taken from their families at a very young age if they show any talent. They are then schooled for events such as these, a bloody disgrace, and a loss of childhood. I hope they disqualify every last one of the under aged kids along with all the drug cheats.

I've heard they take them as early ars 3yrs old. The family has no say. It's so sad.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:32 pm

shelbell;960591 wrote: I've heard they take them as early ars 3yrs old. The family has no say. It's so sad.Barman;960594 wrote: Not taken away from their families without any choice though are they.I'd be interested to read an article discussing that if you know of one.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:35 pm

gmc;959763 wrote: What's this sour grapes cos your athletes are rubbish? Maybe you need to change the drug dosage or something-give them whatever Michael Phelps takes.

Rubbish....our athletes are rubbish

? I thought rubbish was garbage you disposed of, not men and women who train for the Olympics:mad:

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:39 pm

Barman;960602 wrote: There was a programme on the box tonight spot, quite upsetting to watch, these kids were lined up in their hundreds, taken from their families to perform because they showed talent. Some of these kids were hardly out of nappies and they were shown performing, amazingly well on all sorts of apparatus, a disgrace.

You should see the South West Regional Finals, there's some impressive pre-school girls performing in that too. My girl was doing very controlled elephant lifts by the time she was five. If you do think their parents aren't given a choice then I'd like to read about it, it seems rather unlikely to me.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:46 pm

Barman;960618 wrote: Its nothing to do with what i think, why would i think such a thing? Based on fact I'm sad to say.

Then there'll be an article, surely.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:50 pm

Barman;960623 wrote: You must have missed it.

We're into that negative evidence thing again - if it doesn't exist then I didn't miss it. I don't believe it's true.

Post by **spot** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:56 pm

Barman;960637 wrote: Don't believe it then, i wont lose any sleep.
You'd sound a lot more credible if you posted a couple of URLs to the Daily Telegraph or the Washington Post that confirmed what you claim.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:26 am

Well our Taikundo girl protested about the decision when she lost against a chinese girl. She won the protest.....she's now won a Bronze medal. It pays to stick to your guns. Well done Sarah Stevenson.

Diving final soon...our 14 year old Tom Daly has an outside chance.

Post by **spot** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:34 am

14 year olds are allowed to dive but not do gym?

I think they should be in the boxing too.