Has the Holocaust been removed from the UK school curriculum????????????????

[guppy]

It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.



He did this because he said in words to this effect:






'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'





This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offended' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.





It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the,













6 million Jews,



20 million Russians,



10 million Christians



and



1,900 Catholic priests



who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beat, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way!











I RECEIVED THIS IN AN EMAIL FROM A CHURCH MEMBER..IS THIS TRUE?
ANYBODY IN THE UK KNOW????????????

[spot]

Have a guess, guppy. What do you think the answer will be.

[Chezzie]

its a hoax email gupps

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/uk-holocaust-removal.shtml

[guppy]

Well, my goodness..thanks for answering me so fast..i hate getting this kind of stuff in emails..esp. from supposedly smart people that should know better..i am going to fire back a heated reply to this gentlemen. bet he wont send me another one of these..:-5

[spot]

guppy;972841 wrote: Well, my goodness..thanks for answering me so fast..i hate getting this kind of stuff in emails..esp. from supposedly smart people that should know better..i am going to fire back a heated reply to this gentlemen. bet he wont send me another one of these..:-5


That's good.

Here's a couple more references to pass on to him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6563429.stm with "in England, teaching children about the Holocaust is compulsory, and it is not banned elsewhere in the UK".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7226074.stm is a useful addition too - "A project taking thousands of English teenagers to visit Auschwitz is to be funded for another three years, says the government. Two sixth formers from every school in England are currently funded to visit Auschwitz in Poland, to encourage an understanding of the Holocaust".

[guppy]

thanks Spot.this email came from a preacher at a church nearby me..i noticed he sent it to every member of the church..I am sending him the links you posted.

[spot]

guppy;972849 wrote: thanks Spot.this email came from a preacher at a church nearby me..i noticed he sent it to every member of the church..I am sending him the links you posted.


May we have the name of the church and the name of the preacher please? Then anyone searching about that can see their qualities.

[Chookie]

On a related point, the preacher doesn't seem to have much grasp of the realities in what is (for now) the UK. While I beleive there is a National Curriculum in England, no such beast exists in Scotland. I can't speak for Wales but I'm pretty sure Northern Ireland doesn't have one either........

Also, I beleive it was Patton who gave that order, although I could be wrong.

[dubs]

My son's a High School teacher. He took a group of sixth form students to Auschwitz earlier this year.

[charlock]

Hi,

No, the UK Goverment has NOT removed teaching on the Holocuast from the Schools curriculum, what you are hearing is a typical case of inaccurate media reporting. Below is a formal response from the UK Goverment to a Freedom for Information Act request that should dispel this myth for you.

Department for Children, Schools and Families

20 May 2008

Dear Mike

Thank you for your email dated 14 May about the suggestion that schools

in England would not teach about the Holocaust.

I can assure you that the suggestion is not true. What you have read

stems from inaccurate press reporting during last year. There has never

been any intention of removing the Holocaust from the national

curriculum. The Holocaust remains compulsory at Key Stage 3 (age 11-14)

and will remain compulsory when the revised Key Stage 3 curriculum is

implemented from September 2008.

You may want to be aware that the Secretary of State recently issued a

statement to the media and embassies across the world "to refute the

internet myth that the Holocaust has been removed from the national

curriculum." The Department fully believes in the importance of

students learning lessons from the horrors of the Holocaust and, because

of this, it continues to fund the Holocaust Educational Trust to take

two pupils aged 15 to 17 from every secondary school to visit Auschwitz,

to inform their school's study of the Holocaust.

Regards

Leona Smith

Public Communications Unit

(apparently as a newbie to this site I cannot post the url to this answer but if you Google UK School Curriculum you will quickly find it)

I live in Coventry (UK) and know that our schools are very active in studying the Holocaust and in the past year have taken pupils to visit the sites of WW2 concentration camps as part of the education process.

Hope this helps clear up any confusion.

Best regards

[spot]

Gupster, it'd be interesting to hear whether the preacher responded to you and whether he sent a follow-up to the whole of his congregation he's passed the hoax to.

[Lenn]

Probably the only country that has removed the Holocaust from the school curriculum is Poland. They still - as during communistic times - teach children at schools that the main victim of the second world war were Poles. And still do they refrain from admitting that the main victim were Jews.

[spot]

Lenn;1072876 wrote: Probably the only country that has removed the Holocaust from the school curriculum is Poland. They still - as during communistic times - teach children at schools that the main victim of the second world war were Poles. And still do they refrain from admitting that the main victim were Jews.


They did keep Auschwitz as a memorial though, and there's easy public access. I've never heard of any Poles who wanted it closed as a memorial and bulldozed out of history.

All of Europe from Britain to Russia had some degree of anti-Semitism before World War Two and the people of each country will always bear a responsibility to remember the pogroms, the insults, the discrimination and ultimately - in every country, some earlier and some later - the deaths. As far as I know it's a purely European phenomenon. When was there last a mass killing of unarmed civilian Jews in the Middle East by the local population and authority (which is what I understand a pogrom to be)? I ask that not knowing the answer but it's a serious question.

[scholle-kid]

guppy;972832 wrote:







It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.


He did this because he said in words to this effect:




















'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses -because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'












This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offended' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.












It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the,




























6 million Jews,










20 million Russians,










10 million Christians










and










1,900 Catholic priests










who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beat, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way!
























I RECEIVED THIS IN AN EMAIL FROM A CHURCH MEMBER..IS THIS TRUE?




ANYBODY IN THE UK KNOW????????????







Here is a link to the story on snopes,com it is a site that does nothing but investagate stories and rumors like this .And all the junk you get in your inbox, sign up for thier free updates and you will know as soon as you get something like this story if it's true or not. You will 'save face' by not passing on to others the bogus junk going around.



snopes.com: Holocaust Teaching Ban

[Lenn]

spot;1072885 wrote: They did keep Auschwitz as a memorial though, and there's easy public access. I've never heard of any Poles who wanted it closed as a memorial and bulldozed out of history.

All of Europe from Britain to Russia had some degree of anti-Semitism before World War Two (...)


Yes, that's true, but remember they do keep Auschwitz as a memorial of their own history. - Polish historians keep on claiming that mainly Poles were murdered there and they don't mention that people of all nations found In Auschwitz their grave. I visit Poland regularly, keep on reading their press and I assure you there is no country with greater anti - Semitism and xenophobia.

[spot]

Lenn;1072924 wrote: Yes, that's true, but remember they do keep Auschwitz as a memorial of their own history. - Polish historians keep on claiming that mainly Poles were murdered there and they don't mention that people of all nations found In Auschwitz their grave. I visit Poland regularly, keep on reading their press and I assure you there is no country with greater anti - Semitism and xenophobia.


I've been there several times and discussed anti-Semitism (though not since the 1970s). There was an open admission that some Poles still speak out against Jews , there's a counter-balance who regret the general pre-war prejudice and recognize the harm it caused. Either way there's no turning back and rebuilding Eastern Europe's communities on the scale of the nineteenth century.

The descriptive texts within the Auschwitz camp when I was there made extensive mention of the Final Solution and the clearing of the ghettoes in Poland, the focus on exterminating the Jews wasn't hidden or ignored.

[Oscar Namechange]

dubs;972964 wrote: My son's a High School teacher. He took a group of sixth form students to Auschwitz earlier this year.


Butlin's wa full was it?

[spot]

Butlins lacks the educational potential of a school trip to Poland. The benefits of school trips have been recognised for a long time.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1073680 wrote: Butlins lacks the educational potential of a school trip to Poland. The benefits of school trips have been recognised for a long time.


No seriously, My dad made many trips to 'Auschwitz' when he was alive. As a kid, all i knew was what he told me. He offered to take me with him on trips but i couldn't bring myself to go. I used to ask dad for details but he could not speak of it. It was times like that when i knew something was really bad. For some reason of which i never did learn was that he had a 'need' to go there. The family has photo's post and MR Oscar's sister has photo's taken by their great Uncle who helped liberate Auschwitz.

I do remember being very small and he'd come back from there. He was talking to my Uncle one evening on his returns and i remember dad putting his head in his hands and just kept repeating 'The children, the children'.)

[spot]

It's probably why jokes about Butlins fall flat, given the setting.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1073711 wrote: It's probably why jokes about Butlins fall flat, given the setting.


Yes, agreed.