It's been said that the major cause of death among teenagers is automobile accidents!
It's being suggested here in Virginis that the age for getting a drivers license be raised from 16 1/2 to 17!
will 6 months make that much difference? :-3
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The frontal lobe is often called the CEO, or the executive of the brain. It's involved in things like planning and strategizing and organizing, initiating attention and stopping and starting and shifting attention. It's a part of the brain that most separates man from beast, if you will.
I think that [in the teen years, this] part of the brain that is helping organization, planning and strategizing is not done being built yet ... [It's] not that the teens are stupid or incapable of . It's sort of unfair to expect them to have adult levels of organizational skills or decision making before their brain is finished being built. ...
I think that [in the teen years, this] part of the brain that is helping organization, planning and strategizing is not done being built yet ... [It's] not that the teens are stupid or incapable of . It's sort of unfair to expect them to have adult levels of organizational skills or decision making before their brain is finished being built. ...
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Nomad;980338 wrote: The frontal lobe is often called the CEO, or the executive of the brain. It's involved in things like planning and strategizing and organizing, initiating attention and stopping and starting and shifting attention. It's a part of the brain that most separates man from beast, if you will.
I think that [in the teen years, this] part of the brain that is helping organization, planning and strategizing is not done being built yet ... [It's] not that the teens are stupid or incapable of . It's sort of unfair to expect them to have adult levels of organizational skills or decision making before their brain is finished being built. ...
yeah i'm kinda thinking that if they are gonna raise the age they should raise it even higher, maybe to 18 or something!
I think that [in the teen years, this] part of the brain that is helping organization, planning and strategizing is not done being built yet ... [It's] not that the teens are stupid or incapable of . It's sort of unfair to expect them to have adult levels of organizational skills or decision making before their brain is finished being built. ...
yeah i'm kinda thinking that if they are gonna raise the age they should raise it even higher, maybe to 18 or something!
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Hope6;980342 wrote: yeah i'm kinda thinking that if they are gonna raise the age they should raise it even higher, maybe to 18 or something!
In my case the frontal lobe actually started collapsing before it had a chance to really blossom.
In my case the frontal lobe actually started collapsing before it had a chance to really blossom.
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Nomad;980359 wrote: In my case the frontal lobe actually started collapsing before it had a chance to really blossom.
omg! you're being kinda hard on yourself aren't you?
actually i don't have any room to talk, i was driving stuff on the farm by the time i was 13! but it wasn't out on a highway!
omg! you're being kinda hard on yourself aren't you?
actually i don't have any room to talk, i was driving stuff on the farm by the time i was 13! but it wasn't out on a highway!
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American girls can ride motorbikes on their own on the roads at 14? And they can declare themselves self-insured if they own at least 26 of them?
http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/SDLInfo/SDL_Main.asp
http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/SDLInfo/SDL_Main.asp
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spot;980376 wrote: American girls can ride motorbikes on their own on the roads at 14? And they can declare themselves self-insured if they own at least 26 of them?
http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/SDLInfo/SDL_Main.asp
actually South Dakota is the only state where you can get a permit at 14!
Put Off Driver Licensure to Save Lives
ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 9 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Most US states allow driving at age 16, 16 1/2, or somewhere in between. A new Insurance Institute for Highway Safety report focuses on the costs in terms of lives of allowing licensure sooner rather than later. The message is that licensing at later ages would substantially reduce crashes involving teen drivers. The same conclusion has been reached in other countries. Teens in Great Britain and most Australian states can't get their licenses until they turn 17, for example. In most EU countries it's 18. The Institute's new report is being released at the annual meeting of the Governors Highway Safety Association.
Legislation was introduced during the most recent sessions of lawmakers in Delaware, Florida, and Georgia to adopt 17 as the minimum age to get a driver's license. One bill in Massachusetts also proposed 17, while another one argued for 18. Yet none of these measures, nor one that would have raised the licensing age in Illinois to 18, met with any success.
"This is a tough sell," says Anne McCartt, Institute senior vice president for research, "but it's an important enough issue to challenge the silence and at least consider changing the age at which we allow teenagers to get their licenses to drive. After all, graduated licensing has been successful ever since states began to adopt these programs more than a decade ago, and raising the licensing age is a logical next step to reduce driving by the riskiest motorists on the road, the youngest ones." The graduated systems in most US states include permit periods and then limit when and with whom young beginners may drive. The result has been to lower the crash rates in state after state.
New Jersey example: Among US states, only New Jersey holds off licensure until age 17, and a recent analysis of the crash experience of young drivers indicates the benefits. A rate of 4.4 16-year-old drivers per 100,000 population were in fatal crashes during the study years, compared with 20.7 per 100,000 in neighboring Connecticut, where 16 year-olds could get licenses. The lower death rate in New Jersey was offset by a slightly higher rate at age 17 (32.3 versus 31.1 per 100,000), but the combined rate for 16 and 17 year-olds still was much lower than in Connecticut. These comparisons don't reflect the benefits of graduated licensing in either state because the study years, 1992-96, were before graduated systems began to be adopted in New Jersey (2001) or Connecticut (1997).
Two previous Institute studies also compared the effects of the licensing policies in New Jersey versus Connecticut. During 1975-80, there were 4 crash deaths of 16-year-old drivers per 100,000 in New Jersey compared with 26 per 100,000 in Connecticut. The authors estimated that Connecticut could achieve a 66 percent reduction in fatal crashes among 16- and 17-year-old drivers by changing the licensing age to 17. Similar differences in these states' rates of all kinds of crashes, not just fatal ones, were reported a decade later.
Australian state thwarted earlier licenses: When an attempt got under way in the 1980s to lower the licensing age in Victoria, Australia, from 18 years old to 17 or 16, researchers studied the potential effects and estimated that changing to 17 would result in 650 to 700 more injury crashes per year and 30 to 50 more crashes involving deaths. Lowering the licensing age to 16 would worsen this jurisdiction's annual toll even more. Sub-sequent study indicated that restricting the driving privileges of Victoria's newly licensed 17 year-olds under a graduated system wouldn't make up for the added risk associated with lowering the licensing age.
Allan Williams, former Institute chief scientist and author of the new report on the driving age, says "the two policies, licensing later rather than sooner and restricting beginners' driving under graduated licensing, complement each other." Victoria retains its licensing age of 18.
Driver age versus experience: A basic question is whether the risk associated with beginning drivers stems from their youth and immaturity or their inexperience behind the wheel. If it's mainly immaturity, then it would pay to put off licensure until teenagers get a little older. But if the problem is mostly inexperience, delaying licensure would simply put off the toll of beginners' crashes. It's hard to separate these two factors. Death rates among 16 year-olds are much lower in New Jersey than in Connecticut. This isn't surprising, and it indicates the wisdom of licensing later rather than sooner. However, death rates are slightly higher among 17-year-old drivers in New Jersey, likely because they have less experience behind the wheel than drivers the same age in Connecticut.
Canadian researchers tried to untangle the influence of age and experience on crashes involving beginners by dividing drivers 16, 17, and 18 years old according to whether they had been driving less than a year or more than a year. The main finding, reported in 1992, is that 16 year-olds, especially girls this age, had higher rates of injury crashes than older teenagers who also were new to the road.
A review of 11 studies published since 1990 also separates the relative contributions of driver age and inexperience to beginners' crashes. The upshot of this Institute study is that new drivers who are 16 years old have higher crash rates than older teenagers who also are new drivers.
"Apart from the effects of age or experience, delaying driver licensure reduces crash rates by reducing the amount young people drive," McCartt says.
When teenagers get their licenses to drive
United States
South Dakota 14 1/2
Idaho 15
Montana 15
Mississippi 15 1/2
New Mexico 15 1/2
South Carolina 15 1/2
Indiana 16 1/2
Maryland 16 1/2
Virginia 16 1/2
Connecticut 16 1/2
Delaware 16 1/2
District of Columbia 16 1/2
Kentucky 16 1/2
Massachusetts 16 1/2
New York 16 1/2
Pennsylvania 16 1/2
Rhode Island 16 1/2
New Jersey 17
Other US states 16
http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/SDLInfo/SDL_Main.asp
actually South Dakota is the only state where you can get a permit at 14!
Put Off Driver Licensure to Save Lives
ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 9 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Most US states allow driving at age 16, 16 1/2, or somewhere in between. A new Insurance Institute for Highway Safety report focuses on the costs in terms of lives of allowing licensure sooner rather than later. The message is that licensing at later ages would substantially reduce crashes involving teen drivers. The same conclusion has been reached in other countries. Teens in Great Britain and most Australian states can't get their licenses until they turn 17, for example. In most EU countries it's 18. The Institute's new report is being released at the annual meeting of the Governors Highway Safety Association.
Legislation was introduced during the most recent sessions of lawmakers in Delaware, Florida, and Georgia to adopt 17 as the minimum age to get a driver's license. One bill in Massachusetts also proposed 17, while another one argued for 18. Yet none of these measures, nor one that would have raised the licensing age in Illinois to 18, met with any success.
"This is a tough sell," says Anne McCartt, Institute senior vice president for research, "but it's an important enough issue to challenge the silence and at least consider changing the age at which we allow teenagers to get their licenses to drive. After all, graduated licensing has been successful ever since states began to adopt these programs more than a decade ago, and raising the licensing age is a logical next step to reduce driving by the riskiest motorists on the road, the youngest ones." The graduated systems in most US states include permit periods and then limit when and with whom young beginners may drive. The result has been to lower the crash rates in state after state.
New Jersey example: Among US states, only New Jersey holds off licensure until age 17, and a recent analysis of the crash experience of young drivers indicates the benefits. A rate of 4.4 16-year-old drivers per 100,000 population were in fatal crashes during the study years, compared with 20.7 per 100,000 in neighboring Connecticut, where 16 year-olds could get licenses. The lower death rate in New Jersey was offset by a slightly higher rate at age 17 (32.3 versus 31.1 per 100,000), but the combined rate for 16 and 17 year-olds still was much lower than in Connecticut. These comparisons don't reflect the benefits of graduated licensing in either state because the study years, 1992-96, were before graduated systems began to be adopted in New Jersey (2001) or Connecticut (1997).
Two previous Institute studies also compared the effects of the licensing policies in New Jersey versus Connecticut. During 1975-80, there were 4 crash deaths of 16-year-old drivers per 100,000 in New Jersey compared with 26 per 100,000 in Connecticut. The authors estimated that Connecticut could achieve a 66 percent reduction in fatal crashes among 16- and 17-year-old drivers by changing the licensing age to 17. Similar differences in these states' rates of all kinds of crashes, not just fatal ones, were reported a decade later.
Australian state thwarted earlier licenses: When an attempt got under way in the 1980s to lower the licensing age in Victoria, Australia, from 18 years old to 17 or 16, researchers studied the potential effects and estimated that changing to 17 would result in 650 to 700 more injury crashes per year and 30 to 50 more crashes involving deaths. Lowering the licensing age to 16 would worsen this jurisdiction's annual toll even more. Sub-sequent study indicated that restricting the driving privileges of Victoria's newly licensed 17 year-olds under a graduated system wouldn't make up for the added risk associated with lowering the licensing age.
Allan Williams, former Institute chief scientist and author of the new report on the driving age, says "the two policies, licensing later rather than sooner and restricting beginners' driving under graduated licensing, complement each other." Victoria retains its licensing age of 18.
Driver age versus experience: A basic question is whether the risk associated with beginning drivers stems from their youth and immaturity or their inexperience behind the wheel. If it's mainly immaturity, then it would pay to put off licensure until teenagers get a little older. But if the problem is mostly inexperience, delaying licensure would simply put off the toll of beginners' crashes. It's hard to separate these two factors. Death rates among 16 year-olds are much lower in New Jersey than in Connecticut. This isn't surprising, and it indicates the wisdom of licensing later rather than sooner. However, death rates are slightly higher among 17-year-old drivers in New Jersey, likely because they have less experience behind the wheel than drivers the same age in Connecticut.
Canadian researchers tried to untangle the influence of age and experience on crashes involving beginners by dividing drivers 16, 17, and 18 years old according to whether they had been driving less than a year or more than a year. The main finding, reported in 1992, is that 16 year-olds, especially girls this age, had higher rates of injury crashes than older teenagers who also were new to the road.
A review of 11 studies published since 1990 also separates the relative contributions of driver age and inexperience to beginners' crashes. The upshot of this Institute study is that new drivers who are 16 years old have higher crash rates than older teenagers who also are new drivers.
"Apart from the effects of age or experience, delaying driver licensure reduces crash rates by reducing the amount young people drive," McCartt says.
When teenagers get their licenses to drive
United States
South Dakota 14 1/2
Idaho 15
Montana 15
Mississippi 15 1/2
New Mexico 15 1/2
South Carolina 15 1/2
Indiana 16 1/2
Maryland 16 1/2
Virginia 16 1/2
Connecticut 16 1/2
Delaware 16 1/2
District of Columbia 16 1/2
Kentucky 16 1/2
Massachusetts 16 1/2
New York 16 1/2
Pennsylvania 16 1/2
Rhode Island 16 1/2
New Jersey 17
Other US states 16
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spot;980376 wrote: American girls can ride motorbikes on their own on the roads at 14? And they can declare themselves self-insured if they own at least 26 of them?
http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/SDLInfo/SDL_Main.asp
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http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/SDLInfo/SDL_Main.asp
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Here in Britain you can hold a license at 17 providing the car is under a certain weight,
If you are registered disabled, 16.
Otherwise it's 18.
If you are registered disabled, 16.
Otherwise it's 18.
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Hope6;980386 wrote: actually South Dakota is the only state where you can get a permit at 14!
If someone's licensed in one state, are they allowed to drive in others on that license? Can these South Dakotan 14 year olds ride their bikes everywhere in the US or must they turn round at the state border?
If someone's licensed in one state, are they allowed to drive in others on that license? Can these South Dakotan 14 year olds ride their bikes everywhere in the US or must they turn round at the state border?
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Ideally I would like the age to be 21 but 18 should be the next age
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spot;980437 wrote: If someone's licensed in one state, are they allowed to drive in others on that license? Can these South Dakotan 14 year olds ride their bikes everywhere in the US or must they turn round at the state border?Good point.
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well, when I was 16 I was thrilled to get my license. :p
but now as a parent 16 seems really young. :-3 My children can get their licenses whenever it is legal for them to do so but driving priveledges will be decided by us.
but now as a parent 16 seems really young. :-3 My children can get their licenses whenever it is legal for them to do so but driving priveledges will be decided by us.
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spot;980437 wrote: If someone's licensed in one state, are they allowed to drive in others on that license? Can these South Dakotan 14 year olds ride their bikes everywhere in the US or must they turn round at the state border?
as far as i know, as long as you have a valid drivers license you can drive anywhere in the country, but it may be different for these 14 year olds, i will do some research and find out!
as far as i know, as long as you have a valid drivers license you can drive anywhere in the country, but it may be different for these 14 year olds, i will do some research and find out!
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A lot of times, I'd rather be on the road with a 16 year old than a 76 year old. :-3
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Peg;980557 wrote: A lot of times, I'd rather be on the road with a 16 year old than a 76 year old. :-3
yes i hear of a lot of accidents involving older folks too! and we have some people in there 80's and 90's still driving around here!
yes i hear of a lot of accidents involving older folks too! and we have some people in there 80's and 90's still driving around here!
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the age here is 16...........personally I think it should be 19.
-to many accidents by teens
-to many teens drunk while driving
-to many teens are heavy on the metal
at that age, they have no idea what its all about.
-to many accidents by teens
-to many teens drunk while driving
-to many teens are heavy on the metal
at that age, they have no idea what its all about.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;980669 wrote: the age here is 16...........personally I think it should be 19.
-to many accidents by teens
-to many teens drunk while driving
-to many teens are heavy on the metal
at that age, they have no idea what its all about.
it's 16 1/2 here in Virginia, but i think it should be older too!
so many accidents just come from inexperience, they run off the side of the road and then overcorrect and lose control or something like that!
i have a cousin whos 16 year old son had an accident recently because he was watching the guy in front of him and pulled out to cross the road because the first guy pulled out, and wasn't watching the traffic and pulled into the path of an 18 wheeler! luckly they walked away from it with only minor injuries, but about a week before that another 16 year old boy here pulled out of his driveway on his way to school, right into the path of a log truck and was killed!
-to many accidents by teens
-to many teens drunk while driving
-to many teens are heavy on the metal
at that age, they have no idea what its all about.
it's 16 1/2 here in Virginia, but i think it should be older too!
so many accidents just come from inexperience, they run off the side of the road and then overcorrect and lose control or something like that!
i have a cousin whos 16 year old son had an accident recently because he was watching the guy in front of him and pulled out to cross the road because the first guy pulled out, and wasn't watching the traffic and pulled into the path of an 18 wheeler! luckly they walked away from it with only minor injuries, but about a week before that another 16 year old boy here pulled out of his driveway on his way to school, right into the path of a log truck and was killed!
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I don't really think it is the age, its all the gadgets they are fooling with while driving. Cell phones, Ipods, etc.
Just the other day I saw a young girl that appeared to be texting while driving.:-5
Just the other day I saw a young girl that appeared to be texting while driving.:-5
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I also want the kids to take a defensive driving class. And they are going to have to have A LOT of experience driving with us in the car before we let them loose. :wah:
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in La. kids can get a learning permit at 15. i feel that is WAY TOO YOUNG. My daughter started driving at 16. now that she is 26. i know how stupid i was to let her drive. she has totaled 2 cars. so please make your kids wait. until they are at least 17 or 18. she was never hurt badly. but God was watching over her.
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Hope6;980703 wrote: it's 16 1/2 here in Virginia, but i think it should be older too!
so many accidents just come from inexperience, they run off the side of the road and then overcorrect and lose control or something like that!
i have a cousin whos 16 year old son had an accident recently because he was watching the guy in front of him and pulled out to cross the road because the first guy pulled out, and wasn't watching the traffic and pulled into the path of an 18 wheeler! luckly they walked away from it with only minor injuries, but about a week before that another 16 year old boy here pulled out of his driveway on his way to school, right into the path of a log truck and was killed!
That right there is not paying attention.
They have no idea of the dangers out there, trucks for just an instance, cannot stop when someone is cutting them off.
Last year here on my street, a 17 year old drunk, hit a tree, dead!
and most do not take defensive driving courses!
so many accidents just come from inexperience, they run off the side of the road and then overcorrect and lose control or something like that!
i have a cousin whos 16 year old son had an accident recently because he was watching the guy in front of him and pulled out to cross the road because the first guy pulled out, and wasn't watching the traffic and pulled into the path of an 18 wheeler! luckly they walked away from it with only minor injuries, but about a week before that another 16 year old boy here pulled out of his driveway on his way to school, right into the path of a log truck and was killed!
That right there is not paying attention.
They have no idea of the dangers out there, trucks for just an instance, cannot stop when someone is cutting them off.
Last year here on my street, a 17 year old drunk, hit a tree, dead!
and most do not take defensive driving courses!
Life is just to short for drama.
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I think it should be at least 18.
I mean do we really need a bunch of high school kids on the roads?? And they're in school all day so the majority of their driving is done at night and on weekends.
I mean do we really need a bunch of high school kids on the roads?? And they're in school all day so the majority of their driving is done at night and on weekends.
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Odie;980893 wrote: That right there is not paying attention.
They have no idea of the dangers out there, trucks for just an instance, cannot stop when someone is cutting them off.
Last year here on my street, a 17 year old drunk, hit a tree, dead!
and most do not take defensive driving courses!
yeah my dad worked for the Department of Highways and Transportation for 16 years, he drove a dump truck, he used to talk about how people would just stop all of a sudden in front of him or pull out in the rode in front of him!
he used to always say those big trucks can't stop on a dime!
They have no idea of the dangers out there, trucks for just an instance, cannot stop when someone is cutting them off.
Last year here on my street, a 17 year old drunk, hit a tree, dead!
and most do not take defensive driving courses!
yeah my dad worked for the Department of Highways and Transportation for 16 years, he drove a dump truck, he used to talk about how people would just stop all of a sudden in front of him or pull out in the rode in front of him!
he used to always say those big trucks can't stop on a dime!
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My daughter got her license at 16 and has so far racked up plenty of bucks in fines, etc. No accidents though. And my insurance is out of this world.
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Peg;980557 wrote: A lot of times, I'd rather be on the road with a 16 year old than a 76 year old. :-3
That's a hard one on either count Peg. As you can be involved in an accident with either driver! However, from what I've seen, the chances of getting killed with the 16 year old driver are far greater! Due to the high speed crashes they are more likely to get into, occuring from their inexperience handling a car at high speeds. Rather then the chances of getting killed with the 76 year old driver in their "fender benders"!
(Of course, there are exceptions on both sides!)
(PS: 16 is way too young, it S/B 18!)
That's a hard one on either count Peg. As you can be involved in an accident with either driver! However, from what I've seen, the chances of getting killed with the 16 year old driver are far greater! Due to the high speed crashes they are more likely to get into, occuring from their inexperience handling a car at high speeds. Rather then the chances of getting killed with the 76 year old driver in their "fender benders"!
(Of course, there are exceptions on both sides!)
(PS: 16 is way too young, it S/B 18!)
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cars;981120 wrote: That's a hard one on either count Peg. As you can be involved in an accident with either driver! However, from what I've seen, the chances of getting killed with the 16 year old driver are far greater! Due to the high speed crashes they are more likely to get into, occuring from their inexperience handling a car at high speeds. Rather then the chances of getting killed with the 76 year old driver in their "fender benders"!
(Of course, there are exceptions on both sides!)
(PS: 16 is way too young, it S/B 18!)
And they don't wear their seatbelts believing "it won't happen to me". I've had younger drivers flip me the bird, cursing at me, etc.
(Of course, there are exceptions on both sides!)
(PS: 16 is way too young, it S/B 18!)
And they don't wear their seatbelts believing "it won't happen to me". I've had younger drivers flip me the bird, cursing at me, etc.
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I passed my driving test the first time I took it. I was 35 at the time.
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spot;981130 wrote: I passed my driving test the first time I took it. I was 35 at the time.
I was 21 and passed the first time. Here's to you Spot:) A high five coming your way.
I was 21 and passed the first time. Here's to you Spot:) A high five coming your way.
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One thing i think would be a good idea is to restrict the power of cars you can drive for the first year or so. Most of the people getting killed are driving too fast on a or b roads and lose contro smacking in to treesl. It takes time to get the experience and you only get experience by lots and lots of driving on different roads and conditions. Making time on a skid pan as part of the test might also help-if only to scare the little gits.
Even then you can't help stupid people. Motorway today all the traffic suddenly started slowing on the inside lane and pulling out-sure enough some dick head was on the phone completely oblivious to the chaos he was causing. Sometimes I want to see traffic cars.
Even then you can't help stupid people. Motorway today all the traffic suddenly started slowing on the inside lane and pulling out-sure enough some dick head was on the phone completely oblivious to the chaos he was causing. Sometimes I want to see traffic cars.
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Hope6;981032 wrote: yeah my dad worked for the Department of Highways and Transportation for 16 years, he drove a dump truck, he used to talk about how people would just stop all of a sudden in front of him or pull out in the rode in front of him!
he used to always say those big trucks can't stop on a dime!
my husband drives the 45 and 54 footers for a living, I have learnt alot about the big-rigs, they also have a huge blind spot as well, but there is no way in hell they can stop, and people just don't realise that when they are playing chicken with them, cutting them off, or even worse, cutting right in front of them and expecting them to brake.
he used to always say those big trucks can't stop on a dime!
my husband drives the 45 and 54 footers for a living, I have learnt alot about the big-rigs, they also have a huge blind spot as well, but there is no way in hell they can stop, and people just don't realise that when they are playing chicken with them, cutting them off, or even worse, cutting right in front of them and expecting them to brake.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;981290 wrote: my husband drives the 45 and 54 footers for a living, I have learnt alot about the big-rigs, they also have a huge blind spot as well, but there is no way in hell they can stop, and people just don't realise that when they are playing chicken with them, cutting them off, or even worse, cutting right in front of them and expecting them to brake.
Hi Odie,
I understand some of the problems that the big rig drivers go throught. The only problem that I have with some of the drivers is this....
While I'm driving down to Florida from Noo Joisey I encounter problems in the Carolinas on Route 95. In some of the areas there are only two lanes, and I have 18 wheelers barralling down on me at 90 mph. The speed limit limit is 70 mph. Unfortunately, there is nowhere to pull over and let them pass.
By the time I arrive at my destination, I'm in bits and pieces. I don't understand why some drivers do that. These drivers give all the big rig drivers a bad reputation for driving too fast. That's a shame because I know there are great drivers out there.
As for the a**holes who give the big rig drivers a tough time with their stupid antics......they should be punished severely. Unfortunately, I don't see any police force in many areas along the major roads:mad:
Hi Odie,
I understand some of the problems that the big rig drivers go throught. The only problem that I have with some of the drivers is this....
While I'm driving down to Florida from Noo Joisey I encounter problems in the Carolinas on Route 95. In some of the areas there are only two lanes, and I have 18 wheelers barralling down on me at 90 mph. The speed limit limit is 70 mph. Unfortunately, there is nowhere to pull over and let them pass.
By the time I arrive at my destination, I'm in bits and pieces. I don't understand why some drivers do that. These drivers give all the big rig drivers a bad reputation for driving too fast. That's a shame because I know there are great drivers out there.
As for the a**holes who give the big rig drivers a tough time with their stupid antics......they should be punished severely. Unfortunately, I don't see any police force in many areas along the major roads:mad:
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Kathy Ellen;981308 wrote: Hi Odie,
I understand some of the problems that the big rig drivers go throught. The only problem that I have with some of the drivers is this....
While I'm driving down to Florida from Noo Joisey I encounter problems in the Carolinas on Route 95. In some of the areas there are only two lanes, and I have 18 wheelers barralling down on me at 90 mph. The speed limit limit is 70 mph. Unfortunately, there is nowhere to pull over and let them pass.
By the time I arrive at my destination, I'm in bits and pieces. I don't understand why some drivers do that. These drivers give all the big rig drivers a bad reputation for driving too fast. That's a shame because I know there are great drivers out there.
As for the a**holes who give the big rig drivers a tough time with their stupid antics......they should be punished severely. Unfortunately, I don't see any police force in many areas along the major roads:mad:
Unfortunately they are on a time schedule, the faster they drop there're load, they can pick up another and do it again............time is money..........but they just don't realise what it does to drivers!.........
Trust me hun, I hear you, we have some of the worst transport truck drivers here................now, they are governed at 90km, which means they can go no faster then that in Canada, but as you said when its only a 70Km zone..............
plus some think because they are so big........they own the road and take advantage of that!
I hate driving beside them, my nerves are shot!
I understand some of the problems that the big rig drivers go throught. The only problem that I have with some of the drivers is this....
While I'm driving down to Florida from Noo Joisey I encounter problems in the Carolinas on Route 95. In some of the areas there are only two lanes, and I have 18 wheelers barralling down on me at 90 mph. The speed limit limit is 70 mph. Unfortunately, there is nowhere to pull over and let them pass.
By the time I arrive at my destination, I'm in bits and pieces. I don't understand why some drivers do that. These drivers give all the big rig drivers a bad reputation for driving too fast. That's a shame because I know there are great drivers out there.
As for the a**holes who give the big rig drivers a tough time with their stupid antics......they should be punished severely. Unfortunately, I don't see any police force in many areas along the major roads:mad:
Unfortunately they are on a time schedule, the faster they drop there're load, they can pick up another and do it again............time is money..........but they just don't realise what it does to drivers!.........
Trust me hun, I hear you, we have some of the worst transport truck drivers here................now, they are governed at 90km, which means they can go no faster then that in Canada, but as you said when its only a 70Km zone..............
plus some think because they are so big........they own the road and take advantage of that!
I hate driving beside them, my nerves are shot!
Life is just to short for drama.
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Thanks for your answer Odie. I'm just afraid that some of the big wheelers will kill me. I really hate to drive to Florida now through the Carolinas.
What I've decided to do now while driving ~~~~~way,way,way above the speed limit~~~~ and have some reckless drivers behind me is just try to relax and keep my fingers crossed that they'll just go around me. They usually do:-6
Please let your hubby know that many drivers are not trying to goad the big wheel drivers and also can't stand the reckless drivers that harass the big wheelers:-6
What I've decided to do now while driving ~~~~~way,way,way above the speed limit~~~~ and have some reckless drivers behind me is just try to relax and keep my fingers crossed that they'll just go around me. They usually do:-6
Please let your hubby know that many drivers are not trying to goad the big wheel drivers and also can't stand the reckless drivers that harass the big wheelers:-6
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Kathy Ellen;981328 wrote: Thanks for your answer Odie. I'm just afraid that some of the big wheelers will kill me. I really hate to drive to Florida now through the Carolinas.
What I've decided to do now while driving ~~~~~way,way,way above the speed limit~~~~ and have some reckless drivers behind me is just try to relax and keep my fingers crossed that they'll just go around me. They usually do:-6
Please let your hubby know that many drivers are not trying to goad the big wheel drivers and also can't stand the reckless drivers that harass the big wheelers:-6
Can you drive down there on any other highway?
or perhaps a different time?
I know how well I am just petrified of them, everyone is!
I hate it when I look in my rearview mirror and one is right there!
What I've decided to do now while driving ~~~~~way,way,way above the speed limit~~~~ and have some reckless drivers behind me is just try to relax and keep my fingers crossed that they'll just go around me. They usually do:-6
Please let your hubby know that many drivers are not trying to goad the big wheel drivers and also can't stand the reckless drivers that harass the big wheelers:-6
Can you drive down there on any other highway?
or perhaps a different time?
I know how well I am just petrified of them, everyone is!
I hate it when I look in my rearview mirror and one is right there!
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;981352 wrote: Can you drive down there on any other highway?
or perhaps a different time?
I know how well I am just petrified of them, everyone is!
I hate it when I look in my rearview mirror and one is right there!
Hi Odie,
No time is really good because Route 95 in the Carolinas is not supervised by the police. They seem to have free reign there. And there is no other direct route to Florida.
or perhaps a different time?
I know how well I am just petrified of them, everyone is!
I hate it when I look in my rearview mirror and one is right there!
Hi Odie,
No time is really good because Route 95 in the Carolinas is not supervised by the police. They seem to have free reign there. And there is no other direct route to Florida.
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Kathy Ellen;981354 wrote: Hi Odie,
No time is really good because Route 95 in the Carolinas is not supervised by the police. They seem to have free reign there. And there is no other direct route to Florida.
To bad they don't supervise this highway........but even here where they do...........just not enough police.
No time is really good because Route 95 in the Carolinas is not supervised by the police. They seem to have free reign there. And there is no other direct route to Florida.
To bad they don't supervise this highway........but even here where they do...........just not enough police.
Life is just to short for drama.
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Unfortunately, it's not only young drivers I see around here driving while they talk or text on their cellphones.
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we should really have commercials like those!
we need them!
thanks for sharing Fuzzy Butt!
we need them!
thanks for sharing Fuzzy Butt!
Life is just to short for drama.
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Odie;981290 wrote: my husband drives the 45 and 54 footers for a living, I have learnt alot about the big-rigs, they also have a huge blind spot as well, but there is no way in hell they can stop, and people just don't realise that when they are playing chicken with them, cutting them off, or even worse, cutting right in front of them and expecting them to brake.
I wish someone had told the driver who cut off a big rig in New Jersey today and 3 people are now in heaven. The driver of the truck had a car cut him off and he ended up in the opposing lane.:-1
I wish someone had told the driver who cut off a big rig in New Jersey today and 3 people are now in heaven. The driver of the truck had a car cut him off and he ended up in the opposing lane.:-1
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I'd rather be surrounded by 18 wheelers on the road than 4 wheelers ANY day. :-3
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sunny104;981930 wrote: I'd rather be surrounded by 18 wheelers on the road than 4 wheelers ANY day. :-3
people just need to remember that these big trucks can't stop on a dime!
i guess thats always in my mind because i grew up with my dad talking about it, but everybody needs to remember that before they take a chance and try to jump out in front of one!
people just need to remember that these big trucks can't stop on a dime!
i guess thats always in my mind because i grew up with my dad talking about it, but everybody needs to remember that before they take a chance and try to jump out in front of one!
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Cow Patty;980727 wrote: I don't really think it is the age, its all the gadgets they are fooling with while driving. Cell phones, Ipods, etc.
Just the other day I saw a young girl that appeared to be texting while driving.:-5
One good thing they did here in Illinois is that they made the kids have to have their permits for 9 months...it used to be 3 months. My 16yr old will be able to get her license next month, but she is an excellent driver and knows that if she messes with all those distractions, she won't be driving.
Just the other day I saw a young girl that appeared to be texting while driving.:-5
One good thing they did here in Illinois is that they made the kids have to have their permits for 9 months...it used to be 3 months. My 16yr old will be able to get her license next month, but she is an excellent driver and knows that if she messes with all those distractions, she won't be driving.
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Peg;981360 wrote: Unfortunately, it's not only young drivers I see around here driving while they talk or text on their cellphones.
I hate talking on the phone while driving. I may answer a call and tell them I'll call them back when I get to my destination.
I hate talking on the phone while driving. I may answer a call and tell them I'll call them back when I get to my destination.
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shelbell;982252 wrote: I hate talking on the phone while driving. I may answer a call and tell them I'll call them back when I get to my destination.
Why do you have it on if you have no intention talking to anyone? I have a voice mail on mine, people can leave me a message. I don't use a hands free either because it's the act of concentrating on the conversation not holding the phone that is dangerous. I find it too distracting for safety. You need to keep your concentration so you can avoid other drivers. You see people using a hands free, getting engrossed and slowing down, going in to the back of stationary traffic. (that last one is from personal experience, guy got out, still with his earpiece attached, and asked why did I stop-so I pointed to the junction)
It's one of my pat hates, you phone someone, they answer you ask is it convenient to speak and they say no I'm in a meeting/ driving so why have the phone on in the first place?
Why do you have it on if you have no intention talking to anyone? I have a voice mail on mine, people can leave me a message. I don't use a hands free either because it's the act of concentrating on the conversation not holding the phone that is dangerous. I find it too distracting for safety. You need to keep your concentration so you can avoid other drivers. You see people using a hands free, getting engrossed and slowing down, going in to the back of stationary traffic. (that last one is from personal experience, guy got out, still with his earpiece attached, and asked why did I stop-so I pointed to the junction)
It's one of my pat hates, you phone someone, they answer you ask is it convenient to speak and they say no I'm in a meeting/ driving so why have the phone on in the first place?