Obama's gonna win!!!

cars · Post by **cars** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:54 pm

Just watched Obama's spot on TV that he paid for. He's gonna win, he really is an elequent speaker, and he's telling everybody what they want to hear!!! If he kept only half of the things he promissed, we really would be better off!!! Hope his character is as good as his speach making!!!

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:19 pm

What you've got there is Jack Kennedy reborn with some extra plus points. Take good care of him, you're only averaging one every fifty years.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:25 pm

Did you see his wife on Leno the other night? Classy lady! Jay couldn't even get her to slam Palin on the clothing thing..:wah:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:25 pm

I'm afraid he's showing us how he's going to govern: spare no expense. :yh_wave

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:26 pm

I think your right Cars he will win. My concern is his character as well we shall see.

[QUOTE]Just watched Obama's spot on TV that he paid for. He's gonna win, he really is an elequent speaker, and he's telling everybody what they want to hear!!! If he kept only half of the things he promissed, we really would be better off!!! Hope his character is as good as his speach making!!![/QUOTE]

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:30 pm

"There was no mention of Mr McCain or the Republican Party".

That is sheer genius. Six million dollars and not a single glance, that's pure disdain.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:01 pm

Accountable;1039088 wrote: I'm afraid he's showing us how he's going to govern: spare no expense. :yh_wave

Buck up lil camper.

He might surprise you.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:06 pm

Nomad;1039135 wrote: Buck up lil camper.

He might surprise you.

If Senator Obama is really edging closer to a landslide with that half hour video, and I reckon it would be good for the USA to vote for unity with this election, it puts these states into the Democrat camp along with the usual suspects: Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Dakota and West Virginia. Is there any there that is a genuine impossibility at this stage?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:09 pm

is it over yet, is it over yet?

:wah:

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:14 pm

Odie;1039141 wrote: is it over yet, is it over yet?

:wah:

It's getting close - I just found a photo on a news site headed "Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. offers a bottle of water to a supporter who passed out during a campaign rally in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday" - how Messianic can a contender get? He'll be healing the blind at this rate.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:21 pm

spot;1039140 wrote: If Senator Obama is really edging closer to a landslide with that half hour video, and I reckon it would be good for the USA to vote for unity with this election, it puts these states into the Democrat camp along with the usual suspects: Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Dakota and West Virginia. Is there any there that is a genuine impossibility at this stage?

Unity ?

Theres no such thing.

The Democrats have their ducks lined up in a row but the Republicans are scattered. They dont know who they are anymore.

I dont think Mother Theresa, Ghandi and Jesus could align everyone.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:35 pm

Accountable;1039088 wrote: I'm afraid he's showing us how he's going to govern: spare no expense. :yh_wave

Wouldn't it have been great if he had passed all that money around to charities in all of the toss up states instead..

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:39 pm

I don't think it's going to be the "landslide" some say it is!

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:08 pm

devist8me;1039150 wrote: I don't think it's going to be the "landslide" some say it is!

It depends what you call a landslide. An Electoral Voter margin in three figures? Would that count? He's got that, I reckon. A margin of 300? That would qualify as a whitewash.

I saw one thing that will make him purr inside tonight. Governor Palin said that yes, they were losing 2008, but "I'm not doing this for naught", she'd be running for President in her own right in 2012. The idea of taking her on in 2012 must sound so good to him, not to mention how much it sounded like throwing in the towel already.

I'll also tell you what tends toward causing a landslide. It's one camp having a volunteer task force in every county and the other camp having none. There's talk of Senator McCain's team having failed to organize the people who help the local voters to their polling stations on the day., who knock on doors and ring phones and get the last percent out of what can be managed. Perhaps they really don't want to win another four years. If that's the case, at least they have sound survival instincts. Four more Republican White House years at this stage would destroy the entire Republican party for the rest of the century.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:22 pm

spot;1039144 wrote: It's getting close - I just found a photo on a news site headed "Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. offers a bottle of water to a supporter who passed out during a campaign rally in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday" - how Messianic can a contender get? He'll be healing the blind at this rate.

Nov 4th right?

hmmmmmmm that's next Tuesday.

so, no more political threads after that right?:wah:

I know, I know, next will be, 'how do you think he's doing being President!':-5 :wah:

wishing everyone luck in your presidental election.......just remember, we are your neighbours, vote someone good!;)

hoping Obama will win!

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:42 pm

Would you like to put deadlines on all the predictions please, Hoss - if they're open-ended we'll never really know if they've failed to come true or not. Deadlines would be fair.

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:15 pm

spot;1039161 wrote: It depends what you call a landslide. An Electoral Voter margin in three figures? Would that count? He's got that, I reckon. A margin of 300? That would qualify as a whitewash.

I saw one thing that will make him purr inside tonight. Governor Palin said that yes, they were losing 2008, but "I'm not doing this for naught", she'd be running for President in her own right in 2012. The idea of taking her on in 2012 must sound so good to him, not to mention how much it sounded like throwing in the towel already.

I'll also tell you what tends toward causing a landslide. It's one camp having a volunteer task force in every county and the other camp having none. There's talk of Senator McCain's team having failed to organize the people who help the local voters to their polling stations on the day., who knock on doors and ring phones and get the last percent out of what can be managed. Perhaps they really don't want to win another four years. If that's the case, at least they have sound survival instincts. Four more Republican White House years at this stage would destroy the entire Republican party for the rest of the century.

I guess 70% to 30% vote or worse would be considered a landslide in my book.

Then again, I have always said I don't know the ins and outs of this sort of thing and go on limited information.

Gov Palin really said that? I have yet to see it so have to ask. The first thing I thought of though when I read that is how Hilary secretly hoped Obama would lose so she could run in 4 years, cuz in 8 years, she'll be too old (right?). Wouldnt that be fun? Not that it is relevant, just a random thought.

As for McCains camp not doing their job, I know I had to delete 14 damn phone messages off my phone tonight when I got home from vacation. Personally, I'm joining that "politician, don't call me" phone list I saw a commercial about (just gotta find that web site)

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:39 pm

spot;1039084 wrote: What you've got there is Jack Kennedy reborn with some extra plus points. Take good care of him, you're only averaging one every fifty years.

I thought Clinton did a great job to be honest.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:42 pm

Hoss;1039168 wrote: If Barack Obama is elected President we will loose the war on terror.

If Barack Obama is elected President we will have race riots in this country like we have never seen before.

If Barack Obama is elected president, the US Constitution will be as useful as toilet paper.

If Barack Obama is elected President the recession will turn to depression, taxes will go up for everyone directly or indirectly. The poor will stay poor, the rich will pay the poor and the 80% in the middle will carry the country and suffer the most.

Worst of all my father will refuse to serve a standing president, There is no telling what that will trouble that will bring him.

God help us all if he wins.

This is delusional.

...

I don't have anything else this is just delusional.

Well,..

I do have this...

"The poor will stay poor, the rich will pay the poor..." -- You do realize you contradicted yourself here right?...How would "the poor will stay poor" if "the rich will pay the poor"?...

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:09 am

If Barack Obama is elected President we will loose the war on terror.

You can't win a war on an adjective anyway, people did try to explain this to Uncle George in 2003, but he knew better of course.

If Barack Obama is elected President we will have race riots in this country like we have never seen before.

Why? Who are going to instigate these race riots? Usually they are caused by the black urban poor, I can't see that happening. Are you saying the black people will be killed by middle class suburban white people because one of them was uppity enough to become president? Unlikely, ordinary white people will just get on with it, except for the extremist neo-nazi's, but they don't like anyone anyway, and there aren't as many of them as they think there are.

If Barack Obama is elected president, the US Constitution will be as useful as toilet paper.

How is that going to happen? Do you think because he is black he can't read and can only use the document in the toilet?

If Barack Obama is elected President the recession will turn to depression, taxes will go up for everyone directly or indirectly. The poor will stay poor, the rich will pay the poor and the 80% in the middle will carry the country and suffer the most.

The recession is already turning into a depression, and it happened under good old white boys George, Karl, Ben, and Paul, explain that to me? As for the fear of redistribution of wealth away from super-rich parasites to the working poor, people will have to make their own minds up about that one.

Worst of all my father will refuse to serve a standing president, There is no telling what that will trouble that will bring him.

What's your father's reasons for not serving his president? Because he is black? Oh dear thats quite sad really.

God help us all if he wins.

The last part is one of several such comments I've seen lately, and its along the lines of Vote Palin-McCain, Or else, not a great message for a democracy where people are supposed to be allowed to vote for whoever they want without fear of repercussions from the other, angry side.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:39 am

Nomad;1039135 wrote: Buck up lil camper.

He might surprise you.
Lord, I hope so. I'd like to see some evidence of his being able to control a budget. Have you noticed that neither candidate wants to talk about the deficit?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:41 am

flopstock;1039149 wrote: Wouldn't it have been great if he had passed all that money around to charities in all of the toss up states instead..

You mean ..... share the wealth?? Bite your tongue, woman! :wah:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:51 am

Galbally;1039209 wrote: If Barack Obama is elected president, the US Constitution will be as useful as toilet paper.

How is that going to happen? Do you think because he is black he can't read and can only use the document in the toilet?

Worst of all my father will refuse to serve a standing president, There is no telling what that will trouble that will bring him.

What's your father's reasons for not serving his president? Because he is black? Oh dear thats quite sad really.
I'm thinking about reporting you for stealing Galbally's password. He's not so stupid to ask this question because he's paid close enough attention to know that Hoss' & Jester's posts have made it crystal clear this is not about race for them.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:38 am

Accountable;1039232 wrote: I'm thinking about reporting you for stealing Galbally's password. He's not so stupid to ask this question because he's paid close enough attention to know that Hoss' & Jester's posts have made it crystal clear this is not about race for them.

I was being facetious to try and rouse a response, anyway its Hoss's dad we are talking about. Also, I do recall the post mentioning "a race-war" as well as the collapse of the constitution, and the defeat of America militarily, all quite incendary stuff you have to admit.

To be honest, I am finding that a lot of this "you can't trust Obama" from a certain type of Republican is based on the primal white fear of the black man (or even the Muslim black man) taking power. t seems to be anyway, as the other reasons are a load of nonsense, its not that hard to understand is it?

He's actually not a socialist or a muslim, or a terrorist, but people insist that they don't believe him when he points out that he isn't any of these things (repeatedly, with evidence). Why do they refuse to be reassured that he isn't about to blow up the Capitol, I doubt they would accuse Hillary Clinton of these ridicluous things, but somehow its acceptable to accuse (based on no evidence) that Obama is an anti-christ; with all sorts of delusional fears (which could come from the fevered imaginings of some 1930s German Nazi) being justifed, explain please?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:32 am

Accountable;1039226 wrote: Lord, I hope so. I'd like to see some evidence of his being able to control a budget. Have you noticed that neither candidate wants to talk about the deficit?

That's because McCain wants to pretend he had nothing to do with it and obama is wondering what the hell he is going to do about it. :sneaky:

So if Obama wins how likely is there to be a right wing military coup to restore freedom and democracy to the American people with christian values to the fore?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:35 am

cars;1039073 wrote: Just watched Obama's spot on TV that he paid for. He's gonna win, he really is an elequent speaker, and he's telling everybody what they want to hear!!! If he kept only half of the things he promissed, we really would be better off!!! Hope his character is as good as his speach making!!!

I've watched him hear on t.v. as well and he told ME what i want to hear. That's his problem, he trie's to please all of the people all of the time and he can't.

One day very soon, he will have to let some of the people down.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:39 am

spot;1039144 wrote: It's getting close - I just found a photo on a news site headed "Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. offers a bottle of water to a supporter who passed out during a campaign rally in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday" - how Messianic can a contender get? He'll be healing the blind at this rate.

You missed that the Spot. He can heal the blind, and walk on water, and feed the 5,000 out of one tin of sardines, and turn wool into gold, amd make oil from cheese, and print money from his noddy toy bank. and stop all the gangland shottings, and run Britain far better than we can, and rule the commonwealth as King,

Weird dream i had last night???

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:42 am

devist8me;1039150 wrote: I don't think it's going to be the "landslide" some say it is!

They used the word 'landslide' once in Britain going by the polls. We had a hell of a shock, we all got up in the morning to find 'John Major' as Prime Minister.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:41 am

Are you really going to vote for him??

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 872152.ece

I wouldn't

:(:(

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:47 am

Idgie;1039638 wrote: Check out this link for Obama's tax cut plan.....

http://taxcut.barackobama.com/

Obviously we would get a tax break of around $1,048 from Barack and a crappy $180 from McCain. I'm very impressed with the $4 grand we'll save in college tuition.

Check out palinaspresident.com for a good laugh.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:59 am

qsducks;1039646 wrote: Obviously we would get a tax break of around $1,048 from Barack and a crappy $180 from McCain. I'm very impressed with the $4 grand we'll save in college tuition.

Check out palinaspresident.com for a good laugh.
Wow! How much tuition does the national university charge nowadays?

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:08 am

Accountable;1039663 wrote: Wow! How much tuition does the national university charge nowadays?

Alot plus we have 3 other children in private school. That's a sacrifice we have chosen. Daughter opted not to go to the university but instead is going to the local community college, but still we are paying out the wazoo for that, plus car insurance, you name it.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:19 pm

qsducks;1039672 wrote: Alot plus we have 3 other children in private school. That's a sacrifice we have chosen. Daughter opted not to go to the university but instead is going to the local community college, but still we are paying out the wazoo for that, plus car insurance, you name it.
Hate to break it to ya, but there is no national university. You're being snowed. You're paying way too much in taxes so that they can toss a couple coins your way and call it saving on tuition that they can't even charge you.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:14 pm

oscar;1039542 wrote: They used the word 'landslide' once in Britain going by the polls. We had a hell of a shock, we all got up in the morning to find 'John Major' as Prime Minister.I think you'll find that the national papers came out saying it was a hung parliament going by the polls, not a landslide.

Shall I have a quiet brag about that? My daughter asked me what the result would be as I was putting her to bed[1]. The news programs all say different to me, I told her, but it'll be a majority of eighteen for the Conservatives. I was out by three.

What you've been saying, about Senator Obama offering all things to all people, isn't what I've heard when I've listened. I've heard him saying that there'll be bad news ahead but that whatever it is he'll say it the way things are, not lie his way through. All I've heard him emphasize in his broadcasts is a commitment to honesty in government.

I think Senator McCain will be on a par with Walter Mondale or Hubert Humphrey when the results are counted. And don't say "Hubert Who?", he wrote very well and I expect he taught effectively too. Here, I have a beautiful quote from wikipedia:In 1960, Humphrey ran again for the Democratic presidential nomination against fellow Senator John F. Kennedy in the primaries. Their first meeting was in the Wisconsin primary, where Kennedy's well-organized and well-funded campaign defeated Humphrey's energetic but poorly-funded effort. Kennedy's attractive brothers, sisters, and wife combed the state looking for votes, at one point Humphrey memorably complained that he "felt like an independent merchant running against a chain store."

[1] eta: I can't possibly have been putting her to bed, she was eleven. Please read "as she was going to bed".

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:10 pm

Hoss;1039177 wrote: I think the riots will happen fairly quickly, but will come and go as he tries to make his social policies stick and even more so if he tries to correct what people perceive as race issues. I will say within a year, but it will increase throughout the four years if he lasts that long and isn't assassinated.

The second he takes office our enemies will relax and wait for the troops to be recalled, they will lick their wounds, regroup and as the world recession clears they will weapon up for a new round of attacks. The more he negotiates with them the worse it will get. We will see passivity from them for a while but it’s just what they want, a chance to breathe. That one will take a while, probably his whole term, but it won’t be realized till after he’s out of office as to how much our enemies have rebuilt, this one depends on the recession and how long it lasts. Oil is the key since they are funded by oil trading countries more than anywhere else.

He's going to work on the most liberal judge appointments he can as soon as possible, within his first term liberal judges will preside over the Supreme Court, we will have increased weapons bans, and he will try to get rid of hand guns if he can.

His tax increases will hit the first year, that will drive the recession longer, burden the middle class immediately and I guess approx 20% of small businesses that would have made it will fail. If it keeps up and he adds in his social agenda in the first two years then we will spiral into depression within four years.

January 21st my father will turn himself in to the nearest commander and tell him he refuses to serve any further.

I was thinking about you today. I was thinking about your extremist views and wondering what percentage of it is original thought vs dads influence.

I completely understand you love and honor your father and your lucky to have eachother.

My thoughts were leaning towards using you as an example in portraying a common occurence.

If dad had been a Jew hating neo nazi chances are high you would have developed some of the same patterns of thinking. At least until you had an epiphany or were enlightened otherwise that would cause you to question your and your fathers beliefs.

Parents are our source of introduction to the world and their influence is inevitable. Good and bad traits are handed down.

If dad loves hunting odds are because you need your dads attention you will follow in his footsteps and become a hunter yourself. Not an absolute but the odds are likely.

If dad was a full blown racist and hated black people its a pretty good indication that those feelings were handed down to him by his father and the cycle continues to perpetuate itself. The monster grows.

Since your political and social views appear to mirror dads I have to assume its because you were taught that theres a correct way to think and the social implications are evidenced by your words. Im not implying your a robot nor that you dont have a good mind and clearly you use it. Your firm in your opinions and you exercise your right to voice them. Im also not implying theres a right or a wrong, well if dad had taught you to be racist then yes theres a wrong but I dont believe thats whats occuring here.

If by chance you had been born in Iran you undoubtedly would be raised as a Muslim with all the trimmings.

Pick a scenario anywhere, our parents teach us what they want us to know and they mold us in their image.

I grew up in a drunken household and I became a drunk myself. I dont blame anyone but it was the influence I grew up with.

If I have a point at all here its to say theres a time to lead and a time to follow but its always a good time to question everything. Its how we become independent.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:19 pm

spot;1039084 wrote: What you've got there is Jack Kennedy reborn with some extra plus points. Take good care of him, you're only averaging one every fifty years.

Tyme will tell Ol' Chappo

I hope I don't have to come report that you were off on this in about 2 years from now..........

Boy o boy do I hope this, for me and the world too.

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:34 pm

BTS;1040332 wrote: Tyme will tell Ol' Chappo

I hope I don't have to come report that you were off on this in about 2 years from now..........

Boy o boy do I hope this, for me and the world too.

There'll be a simple test in four years when he's up for re-election.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:39 pm

oscar;1039542 wrote: They used the word 'landslide' once in Britain going by the polls. We had a hell of a shock, we all got up in the morning to find 'John Major' as Prime Minister.
Aw yes we can relate!!

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BTS · Post by **BTS** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:06 pm

Nomad;1040325 wrote: I was thinking about you today. I was thinking about your extremist views and wondering what percentage of it is original thought vs dads influence.

I completely understand you love and honor your father and your lucky to have eachother.

My thoughts were leaning towards using you as an example in portraying a common occurence.

If dad had been a Jew hating neo nazi chances are high you would have developed some of the same patterns of thinking. At least until you had an epiphany or were enlightened otherwise that would cause you to question your and your fathers beliefs.

Parents are our source of introduction to the world and their influence is inevitable. Good and bad traits are handed down.

If dad loves hunting odds are because you need your dads attention you will follow in his footsteps and become a hunter yourself. Not an absolute but the odds are likely.

If dad was a full blown racist and hated black people its a pretty good indication that those feelings were handed down to him by his father and the cycle continues to perpetuate itself. The monster grows.

Since your political and social views appear to mirror dads I have to assume its because you were taught that theres a correct way to think and the social implications are evidenced by your words. Im not implying your a robot nor that you dont have a good mind and clearly you use it. Your firm in your opinions and you exercise your right to voice them. Im also not implying theres a right or a wrong, well if dad had taught you to be racist then yes theres a wrong but I dont believe thats whats occuring here.

If by chance you had been born in Iran you undoubtedly would be raised as a Muslim with all the trimmings.

Pick a scenario anywhere, our parents teach us what they want us to know and they mold us in their image.

I grew up in a drunken household and I became a drunk myself. I dont blame anyone but it was the influence I grew up with.

If I have a point at all here its to say theres a time to lead and a time to follow but its always a good time to question everything. Its how we become independent.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Things that NEED a bUMP in the KNIGHT!!!!

Wow is all I can say.

*NOTE TO BTS*....Make SURE none of my grandchildren get a good ol pep talk from "Good OL Nomad..............EVER"

WOW!!!!!!!!!

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:04 am

Hoss;1040404 wrote: unfortunately he also embraced the black culture of the church he most wanted to be in and that church focused in on some negative aspects of black racism in the US.

Unfortunately? Black culture's to be deplored? I'm looking at "negative aspects of black racism in the US" wondering what the alternative positive aspects of black racism in the US might be.