Abolishing 401K's tax breaks!!!
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks | workforce.com
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cars;1048110 wrote: Abolishing 401K's tax breaks!!!
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks | workforce.com
Yes indeedie. And we have seen how effective government management of funds is. :-5 Yes sir!
With all the speculation as to whether Social Security will be there for us, they want to make our own financial preparations for retirement even more iffy by diminishing the the possibility of growth in 401K's!
I think we need to start a list.
Day 1 after the election: Stock Market is down 486 points.
Day 2 'ate': 401's bite the dust.
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks | workforce.com
Yes indeedie. And we have seen how effective government management of funds is. :-5 Yes sir!
With all the speculation as to whether Social Security will be there for us, they want to make our own financial preparations for retirement even more iffy by diminishing the the possibility of growth in 401K's!
I think we need to start a list.
Day 1 after the election: Stock Market is down 486 points.
Day 2 'ate': 401's bite the dust.
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Kindle;1048265 wrote: Yes indeedie. And we have seen how effective government management of funds is. :-5 Yes sir!
With all the speculation as to whether Social Security will be there for us, they want to make our own financial preparations for retirement even more iffy by diminishing the the possibility of growth in 401K's!
I think we need to start a list.
Day 1 after the election: Stock Market is down 486 points.
Day 2 'ate': 401's bite the dust.
I really do hope that British people are reading this.
We all complain here about everything and anything. The truth is, we are very lucky in this country. We don't have to worry about half of the things America does and yet dispite having things in our country that every British person should be bloody proud of, all they do is knock our government.
We have a NHS system. If you work, you pay a weekly or monthly contribution. What it costs is a pittance compared to what's on offer. People who work do not take preference over those who don't. If you are a tramp, worker or even an illegal immigrant, you will get free health care. No-one has to worry about health Insurence either.
We also have a benifit system that is the envy of other countrie's. Even if you work and your pay is not enough to pay your bills, this is topped up by Income support benifit or Family credit. It is illegal here to employ anyone and pay them under the government minimum wage.
I could go on, but i will just add that since the financial crisis, in the past two weeks, Britain has seen a slash in fuel prices with further cuts expected. We have had a slash in grocery prices and again, further cuts due as the supermarket giants have gone into a price war with each other. Only a few days ago, we have had a slash in bank interest rates since our Prime Minister bought the banks out and sacked the chiefs and directors.
We also have something called 'Pension credit'. This for anyone who does not have a private pension or who has not worked. The moment they reach 60 yrs old, they have their benifit money doubled. On top of this, our government gives anyone over 60 yrs old and on pension credit or their own pension a yearly 'cold weather payment' of £200 for increases in fuel during the winter.
I am sick of the whiney arssholes who take all of this for granted in this country. They should be bloody proud as well as being proud of what our Prime Minister Gordon Brown has achieved just in the past few weeks since the market crashed.
With all the speculation as to whether Social Security will be there for us, they want to make our own financial preparations for retirement even more iffy by diminishing the the possibility of growth in 401K's!
I think we need to start a list.
Day 1 after the election: Stock Market is down 486 points.
Day 2 'ate': 401's bite the dust.
I really do hope that British people are reading this.
We all complain here about everything and anything. The truth is, we are very lucky in this country. We don't have to worry about half of the things America does and yet dispite having things in our country that every British person should be bloody proud of, all they do is knock our government.
We have a NHS system. If you work, you pay a weekly or monthly contribution. What it costs is a pittance compared to what's on offer. People who work do not take preference over those who don't. If you are a tramp, worker or even an illegal immigrant, you will get free health care. No-one has to worry about health Insurence either.
We also have a benifit system that is the envy of other countrie's. Even if you work and your pay is not enough to pay your bills, this is topped up by Income support benifit or Family credit. It is illegal here to employ anyone and pay them under the government minimum wage.
I could go on, but i will just add that since the financial crisis, in the past two weeks, Britain has seen a slash in fuel prices with further cuts expected. We have had a slash in grocery prices and again, further cuts due as the supermarket giants have gone into a price war with each other. Only a few days ago, we have had a slash in bank interest rates since our Prime Minister bought the banks out and sacked the chiefs and directors.
We also have something called 'Pension credit'. This for anyone who does not have a private pension or who has not worked. The moment they reach 60 yrs old, they have their benifit money doubled. On top of this, our government gives anyone over 60 yrs old and on pension credit or their own pension a yearly 'cold weather payment' of £200 for increases in fuel during the winter.
I am sick of the whiney arssholes who take all of this for granted in this country. They should be bloody proud as well as being proud of what our Prime Minister Gordon Brown has achieved just in the past few weeks since the market crashed.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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cars;1048110 wrote: Abolishing 401K's tax breaks!!!
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks | workforce.com
That's just a tip, wait till you see their new "New Deal" plans....
Obama's New Deal No Better Than Old One
Seems we would learn from our own history that just kept us in a depression for a lot longer..
House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks | workforce.com
That's just a tip, wait till you see their new "New Deal" plans....
Obama's New Deal No Better Than Old One
Seems we would learn from our own history that just kept us in a depression for a lot longer..
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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It may be proposed but I dont think that ones gonna fly.
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oscar;1048307 wrote: I really do hope that British people are reading this.
We all complain here about everything and anything. The truth is, we are very lucky in this country. We don't have to worry about half of the things America does and yet dispite having things in our country that every British person should be bloody proud of, all they do is knock our government.
We have a NHS system. If you work, you pay a weekly or monthly contribution. What it costs is a pittance compared to what's on offer. People who work do not take preference over those who don't. If you are a tramp, worker or even an illegal immigrant, you will get free health care. No-one has to worry about health Insurence either.
We also have a benifit system that is the envy of other countrie's. Even if you work and your pay is not enough to pay your bills, this is topped up by Income support benifit or Family credit. It is illegal here to employ anyone and pay them under the government minimum wage.
I could go on, but i will just add that since the financial crisis, in the past two weeks, Britain has seen a slash in fuel prices with further cuts expected. We have had a slash in grocery prices and again, further cuts due as the supermarket giants have gone into a price war with each other. Only a few days ago, we have had a slash in bank interest rates since our Prime Minister bought the banks out and sacked the chiefs and directors.
We also have something called 'Pension credit'. This for anyone who does not have a private pension or who has not worked. The moment they reach 60 yrs old, they have their benifit money doubled. On top of this, our government gives anyone over 60 yrs old and on pension credit or their own pension a yearly 'cold weather payment' of £200 for increases in fuel during the winter.
I am sick of the whiney arssholes who take all of this for granted in this country. They should be bloody proud as well as being proud of what our Prime Minister Gordon Brown has achieved just in the past few weeks since the market crashed.
This is most interesting. I did not know all this.
Guess the basis of what Canada does stems from their roots in England.
We all complain here about everything and anything. The truth is, we are very lucky in this country. We don't have to worry about half of the things America does and yet dispite having things in our country that every British person should be bloody proud of, all they do is knock our government.
We have a NHS system. If you work, you pay a weekly or monthly contribution. What it costs is a pittance compared to what's on offer. People who work do not take preference over those who don't. If you are a tramp, worker or even an illegal immigrant, you will get free health care. No-one has to worry about health Insurence either.
We also have a benifit system that is the envy of other countrie's. Even if you work and your pay is not enough to pay your bills, this is topped up by Income support benifit or Family credit. It is illegal here to employ anyone and pay them under the government minimum wage.
I could go on, but i will just add that since the financial crisis, in the past two weeks, Britain has seen a slash in fuel prices with further cuts expected. We have had a slash in grocery prices and again, further cuts due as the supermarket giants have gone into a price war with each other. Only a few days ago, we have had a slash in bank interest rates since our Prime Minister bought the banks out and sacked the chiefs and directors.
We also have something called 'Pension credit'. This for anyone who does not have a private pension or who has not worked. The moment they reach 60 yrs old, they have their benifit money doubled. On top of this, our government gives anyone over 60 yrs old and on pension credit or their own pension a yearly 'cold weather payment' of £200 for increases in fuel during the winter.
I am sick of the whiney arssholes who take all of this for granted in this country. They should be bloody proud as well as being proud of what our Prime Minister Gordon Brown has achieved just in the past few weeks since the market crashed.
This is most interesting. I did not know all this.
Guess the basis of what Canada does stems from their roots in England.
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!"
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CHANGE, and so it begins, it's going to hurt!!!
Kindle;1048265 wrote: Day 1 after the election: Stock Market is down 486 points.
Day 2 'ate': 401's bite the dust.
It's odd what people will blame someone for.
There's a world of difference between a wild far-fetched mid-October committee presentation by a passing academic playing what-if and "401's bite the dust". Nobody's offered to implement it. Nobody's discussed the consequences. I doubt very much whether the President-elect's even heard of it and you're blaming him for the end of private pension plans?
Surely there must be a more coherent way of discussing the consequence of this change of government, this level of discussion is just a waste of bandwidth and reading time.
How about if we draw up a list of what we'd each like to see implemented during the first four years? I expect we could even get close to agreement if we did that.
Day 2 'ate': 401's bite the dust.
It's odd what people will blame someone for.
There's a world of difference between a wild far-fetched mid-October committee presentation by a passing academic playing what-if and "401's bite the dust". Nobody's offered to implement it. Nobody's discussed the consequences. I doubt very much whether the President-elect's even heard of it and you're blaming him for the end of private pension plans?
Surely there must be a more coherent way of discussing the consequence of this change of government, this level of discussion is just a waste of bandwidth and reading time.
How about if we draw up a list of what we'd each like to see implemented during the first four years? I expect we could even get close to agreement if we did that.
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spot;1048357 wrote: It's odd what people will blame someone for. ............I doubt very much whether the President-elect's even heard of it and you're blaming him for the end of private pension plans?
Surely there must be a more coherent way of discussing the consequence of this change of government, this level of discussion is just a waste of bandwidth and reading time.
How about if we draw up a list of what we'd each like to see implemented during the first four years? I expect we could even get close to agreement if we did that.
Paragraph 1: Not specifically him, but the people of the party he represents.
Paragraph 2: My thoughs may not meet your standards, but in a discussion forum, I should be able to express them
Paragraph 3: I'm sure we could. Let's start the list off with "PEACE".
Surely there must be a more coherent way of discussing the consequence of this change of government, this level of discussion is just a waste of bandwidth and reading time.
How about if we draw up a list of what we'd each like to see implemented during the first four years? I expect we could even get close to agreement if we did that.
Paragraph 1: Not specifically him, but the people of the party he represents.
Paragraph 2: My thoughs may not meet your standards, but in a discussion forum, I should be able to express them
Paragraph 3: I'm sure we could. Let's start the list off with "PEACE".
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Kindle;1048364 wrote: Paragraph 3: I'm sure we could. Let's start the list off with "PEACE". :DYou don't remember what George Bush said about that? "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace"?
"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace". That was written in the first century and it's still the standard abuse of language where war's concerned.
Do you mean Peace as in fiercer fighting, or Peace as in not killing people week in week out? When do you last remember a month when a plane didn't deliver a bomb around Afghanistan and wipe out yet another wedding party? Do the Taliban have planes?
"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace". That was written in the first century and it's still the standard abuse of language where war's concerned.
Do you mean Peace as in fiercer fighting, or Peace as in not killing people week in week out? When do you last remember a month when a plane didn't deliver a bomb around Afghanistan and wipe out yet another wedding party? Do the Taliban have planes?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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spot;1048376 wrote: You don't remember what George Bush said about that? "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace"?
"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace". That was written in the first century and it's still the standard abuse of language where war's concerned.
Do you mean Peace as in fiercer fighting, or Peace as in not killing people week in week out? When do you last remember a month when a plane didn't deliver a bomb around Afghanistan and wipe out yet another wedding party? Do the Taliban have planes?
And how many of our boys come home in body-bags Spot fighting the Taliban? Let's not forget them, especially this week.
"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace". That was written in the first century and it's still the standard abuse of language where war's concerned.
Do you mean Peace as in fiercer fighting, or Peace as in not killing people week in week out? When do you last remember a month when a plane didn't deliver a bomb around Afghanistan and wipe out yet another wedding party? Do the Taliban have planes?
And how many of our boys come home in body-bags Spot fighting the Taliban? Let's not forget them, especially this week.
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Can we not drift into the Iraq war again on this thread please?
I'm really interested in this 'change' thread and would like to hear more on that.
Thanks. :-6:-6
I'm really interested in this 'change' thread and would like to hear more on that.
Thanks. :-6:-6
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spot;1048376 wrote: You don't remember what George Bush said about that? "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace"?
"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace". That was written in the first century and it's still the standard abuse of language where war's concerned.
Do you mean Peace as in fiercer fighting, or Peace as in not killing people week in week out? When do you last remember a month when a plane didn't deliver a bomb around Afghanistan and wipe out yet another wedding party? Do the Taliban have planes?
No I don't remember Bush's words. But this reminds me of an antiwar parable written by Mark Twain called "The War Prayer". Have you read it?
It was written during the Philippine-American War in the first decade of the 20th Century. It tells of a patriotic church service held to send the town's young men off to war. During the service, a stranger enters and addresses the gathering. He implies to the patriotic crowd that their prayers for victory are double-edged -- that by praying for victory they are also praying for the destruction of the enemy ... for the destruction of human life.
I think you might enjoy this read.
And, when I say PEACE, I mean no war (no hostilities or killing).
"To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace". That was written in the first century and it's still the standard abuse of language where war's concerned.
Do you mean Peace as in fiercer fighting, or Peace as in not killing people week in week out? When do you last remember a month when a plane didn't deliver a bomb around Afghanistan and wipe out yet another wedding party? Do the Taliban have planes?
No I don't remember Bush's words. But this reminds me of an antiwar parable written by Mark Twain called "The War Prayer". Have you read it?
It was written during the Philippine-American War in the first decade of the 20th Century. It tells of a patriotic church service held to send the town's young men off to war. During the service, a stranger enters and addresses the gathering. He implies to the patriotic crowd that their prayers for victory are double-edged -- that by praying for victory they are also praying for the destruction of the enemy ... for the destruction of human life.
I think you might enjoy this read.
And, when I say PEACE, I mean no war (no hostilities or killing).
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Kindle;1048406 wrote: No I don't remember Bush's words. But this reminds me of an antiwar parable written by Mark Twain called "The War Prayer". Have you read it?
It was written during the Philippine-American War in the first decade of the 20th Century. It tells of a patriotic church service held to send the town's young men off to war. During the service, a stranger enters and addresses the gathering. He implies to the patriotic crowd that their prayers for victory are double-edged -- that by praying for victory they are also praying for the destruction of the enemy ... for the destruction of human life.
I think you might enjoy this read.
And, when I say PEACE, I mean no war (no hostilities or killing).
True words. I know that my father had a job dealing with what he did to people in WW11
It was written during the Philippine-American War in the first decade of the 20th Century. It tells of a patriotic church service held to send the town's young men off to war. During the service, a stranger enters and addresses the gathering. He implies to the patriotic crowd that their prayers for victory are double-edged -- that by praying for victory they are also praying for the destruction of the enemy ... for the destruction of human life.
I think you might enjoy this read.
And, when I say PEACE, I mean no war (no hostilities or killing).
True words. I know that my father had a job dealing with what he did to people in WW11
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oscar;1048400 wrote: And how many of our boys come home in body-bags Spot fighting the Taliban? Let's not forget them, especially this week.
They volunteered. No doubt they had a variety of reasons for volunteering but it was their choice to sign up. I have absolutely no sympathy whatever for the fact that they find themselves in a war zone, it's self-inflicted. No issue of patriotism overrides the fact that civilians are dying as a direct consequence of their choice.
It has nothing to do with Armistice remembrance, the people commemorated there were either obeying conscription orders or voluntarily standing alongside those who were conscripted. Thats a whole different world.
They volunteered. No doubt they had a variety of reasons for volunteering but it was their choice to sign up. I have absolutely no sympathy whatever for the fact that they find themselves in a war zone, it's self-inflicted. No issue of patriotism overrides the fact that civilians are dying as a direct consequence of their choice.
It has nothing to do with Armistice remembrance, the people commemorated there were either obeying conscription orders or voluntarily standing alongside those who were conscripted. Thats a whole different world.
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spot;1048413 wrote: They volunteered. No doubt they had a variety of reasons for volunteering but it was their choice to sign up. I have absolutely no sympathy whatever for the fact that they find themselves in a war zone, it's self-inflicted. No issue of patriotism overrides the fact that civilians are dying as a direct consequence of their choice.
It has nothing to do with Armistice remembrance, the people commemorated there were either obeying conscription orders or voluntarily standing alongside those who were conscripted. Thats a whole different world.
I can not dis-agree with you. Sadly though
It has nothing to do with Armistice remembrance, the people commemorated there were either obeying conscription orders or voluntarily standing alongside those who were conscripted. Thats a whole different world.
I can not dis-agree with you. Sadly though
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oscar;1048417 wrote: I can not dis-agree with you. Sadly though
As for your direct question above, just to be complete, the answer's about one a month, which I think is what the army normally puts up with in training losses. All they've done is switched their training exercises for rather more realistic conditions, they've not increased the average personal risk across the entire Armed Forces.
Anyhow. Peace. How to conduct US Foreign Relations without industrialized death breaking out.
Afghanistan? "As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan". "We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there". Plain enough? Four more years of this generation's Vietnam with a guarantee of the same end once it's over. People just never learn.
Palestine/Israel? I don't think so, much as it's needed. "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance". President Obama's as solidly locked in with Apartheid Israel as George Bush was.
Cuba? Is there even the slightest reason why that idiotic embargo should stay in place? This is just US pride at its worst and it's unjust. Is President Obama going to lift it? No, sadly. Fidel has to die first to save US face.
China? What can he do, he's stuck with the fact that China's out from under and does its own thing from now on.
Iran? See Israel. I'd love to see the US and Iran lovey-dovey but it's not going to happen. It's in both their national interests but the Elephant In The Corner Of The Room won't allow it.
Iraq, thank goodness, is over. One can only hope that the Iraqi government can hold out until the new year without being forced into a new agreement with the departing Bush.
As for your direct question above, just to be complete, the answer's about one a month, which I think is what the army normally puts up with in training losses. All they've done is switched their training exercises for rather more realistic conditions, they've not increased the average personal risk across the entire Armed Forces.
Anyhow. Peace. How to conduct US Foreign Relations without industrialized death breaking out.
Afghanistan? "As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan". "We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there". Plain enough? Four more years of this generation's Vietnam with a guarantee of the same end once it's over. People just never learn.
Palestine/Israel? I don't think so, much as it's needed. "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance". President Obama's as solidly locked in with Apartheid Israel as George Bush was.
Cuba? Is there even the slightest reason why that idiotic embargo should stay in place? This is just US pride at its worst and it's unjust. Is President Obama going to lift it? No, sadly. Fidel has to die first to save US face.
China? What can he do, he's stuck with the fact that China's out from under and does its own thing from now on.
Iran? See Israel. I'd love to see the US and Iran lovey-dovey but it's not going to happen. It's in both their national interests but the Elephant In The Corner Of The Room won't allow it.
Iraq, thank goodness, is over. One can only hope that the Iraqi government can hold out until the new year without being forced into a new agreement with the departing Bush.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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I left out Russia for some reason. "I wholeheartedly condemn the violation of Georgia's sovereignty", that stuff. Sly fox Russia was watching and waiting and the idiot Georgians just had to react to provocation and invade South Ossetia. Bloody fools. Yes of course the Georgians were egged into it by the Russians and, I think, by the Americans as well. Anyone backing Georgia is barking up a lost tree.
As for the idiocy of planting front-line missiles in Poland and pretending they're to protect Western Europe from the Iranians - seriously, that's just begging for a reaction and it's got one. Either President Obama withdraws US advance radar and missile bases from the old Eastern Bloc or he can have the entire cold war back in spades and Russia arming the Taliban in just the same way the CIA armed the Mujahedeen in the 1980s. At least if President Obama mends fences with Russia the Taliban will only have China as arms suppliers. "To watch the courageous Afghan freedom fighters battle modern arsenals with simple hand-held weapons is an inspiration to those who love freedom. Their courage teaches us a great lesson - that there are things in this world worth defending". (That's a quote from Ronald Reagan if anyone's wondering).
As for the idiocy of planting front-line missiles in Poland and pretending they're to protect Western Europe from the Iranians - seriously, that's just begging for a reaction and it's got one. Either President Obama withdraws US advance radar and missile bases from the old Eastern Bloc or he can have the entire cold war back in spades and Russia arming the Taliban in just the same way the CIA armed the Mujahedeen in the 1980s. At least if President Obama mends fences with Russia the Taliban will only have China as arms suppliers. "To watch the courageous Afghan freedom fighters battle modern arsenals with simple hand-held weapons is an inspiration to those who love freedom. Their courage teaches us a great lesson - that there are things in this world worth defending". (That's a quote from Ronald Reagan if anyone's wondering).
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spot;1048453 wrote: I left out Russia for some reason. "I wholeheartedly condemn the violation of Georgia's sovereignty", that stuff. Sly fox Russia was watching and waiting and the idiot Georgians just had to react to provocation and invade South Ossetia. Bloody fools. Yes of course the Georgians were egged into it by the Russians and, I think, by the Americans as well. Anyone backing Georgia is barking up a lost tree.
As for the idiocy of planting front-line missiles in Poland and pretending they're to protect Western Europe from the Iranians - seriously, that's just begging for a reaction and it's got one. Either President Obama withdraws US advance radar and missile bases from the old Eastern Bloc or he can have the entire cold war back in spades and Russia arming the Taliban in just the same way the CIA armed the Mujahideen in the 1980s. At least if President Obama mends fences with Russia the Taliban will only have China as arms suppliers.
Will Obama mend fences with Russia? Or, will he totally back down leaving Europe to do his work?
As for the idiocy of planting front-line missiles in Poland and pretending they're to protect Western Europe from the Iranians - seriously, that's just begging for a reaction and it's got one. Either President Obama withdraws US advance radar and missile bases from the old Eastern Bloc or he can have the entire cold war back in spades and Russia arming the Taliban in just the same way the CIA armed the Mujahideen in the 1980s. At least if President Obama mends fences with Russia the Taliban will only have China as arms suppliers.
Will Obama mend fences with Russia? Or, will he totally back down leaving Europe to do his work?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1048455 wrote: Will Obama mend fences with Russia? Or, will he totally back down leaving Europe to do his work?
Why do you call mending fences "backing down"? Who wanted confrontation in the first place apart from that bunch of war criminals currently leaving office?
Why do you call mending fences "backing down"? Who wanted confrontation in the first place apart from that bunch of war criminals currently leaving office?
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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spot;1048468 wrote: Why do you call mending fences "backing down"? Who wanted confrontation in the first place apart from that bunch of war criminals currently leaving office?
And Obama brings peace on earth and goodwill to all men does he?? Not yet Spot. All he has done is talk and talk and talk.
We have actually seen him do nothing but spend vast quantity's on his campaign.
Bush is not out yet, things may change with Iraq and Afghanistan before he goes.
And Obama brings peace on earth and goodwill to all men does he?? Not yet Spot. All he has done is talk and talk and talk.
We have actually seen him do nothing but spend vast quantity's on his campaign.
Bush is not out yet, things may change with Iraq and Afghanistan before he goes.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
CHANGE, and so it begins, it's going to hurt!!!
oscar;1048476 wrote: We have actually seen him do nothing but spend vast quantity's on his campaign.Where did all the money come from? He refused government financing, he refused payments from lobbyists, he took huge amounts from supporter donations under $200 each. There was a discussion of the funding a couple of weeks ago in the Houston Chronicle as a starter. I'm not sure what more his team could have done to be open and transparent about where the money came from. A lot of small individual contributors wanted him to win and divvied up to get him there.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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JAB;1048507 wrote: I'm not surprised that everything is on the table for discussion but I don't think this one will go very far.
I'm quite sure you're right. It's why I rather flew into the air when I saw "Day 2 after the election: 401's bite the dust".
I'm quite sure you're right. It's why I rather flew into the air when I saw "Day 2 after the election: 401's bite the dust".
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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well, everyone wanted change. Be careful what you wish for! :wah: :wah:
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sunny104;1048874 wrote: well, everyone wanted change. Be careful what you wish for! :wah: :wah:
I think of the old saying ..... BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW !!!!!
I think of the old saying ..... BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW !!!!!
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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JAB;1048519 wrote: The Dems will get as far with this idea as the Reps did with privatized Social Security.
Sure hope your'e right, but Obama has not gotten on the scene yet!!! "He" may just be the grease they're looking for!
Sure hope your'e right, but Obama has not gotten on the scene yet!!! "He" may just be the grease they're looking for!
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