Child slavery now being imported to U.S.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:48 am

Child 'slavery' being imported to U.S. - Life- msnbc.com

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qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:03 pm

Heartwrenching to read about. And what did that selfish "owner" go and do but get another slave child. Didn't learn anything did she?

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:18 pm

This is so sad. At least Shyima has her freedom now, but at what a cost considering she feels so let down by her own family. I hope she will be able to build up her self-esteem.

How is it that these people feel it is their right to subject another human to such degradation in this day and age. They know the law, they know it's wrong and must surely know why it's wrong. Yet, Madame Amal has secured another 9 year old slave having done her time and now waiting for her husband to be released before they are deported.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:21 pm

OpenMind;1095867 wrote: This is so sad. At least Shyima has her freedom now, but at what a cost considering she feels so let down by her own family. I hope she will be able to build up her self-esteem.

How is it that these people feel it is their right to subject another human to such degradation in this day and age. They know the law, they know it's wrong and must surely know why it's wrong. Yet, Madame Amal has secured another 9 year old slave having done her time and now waiting for her husband to be released before they are deported.

I'm hoping someone reports her again. The idiot needs to be deported now.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:24 pm

qsducks;1095869 wrote: I'm hoping someone reports her again. The idiot needs to be deported now.

Nothing was said about that, was it. I hope that the person who saw the 9 year old child, presumably the person asking for an interview, has reported it.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:26 pm

I hope someone reported her, that is sad another one is in slavery.:-1

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:27 pm

OpenMind;1095873 wrote: Nothing was said about that, was it. I hope that the person who saw the 9 year old child, presumably the person asking for an interview, has reported it.

I think it would have to be reported after the trouble she got into. Slam her butt in jail again for a longer term.

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:43 pm

It seems from this story that this is being done by immigrants to the US. This makes me very angry. It is bad enough when whole countries have this way of life, but for them to bring their evil here, to the United States, while enjoying all of our freedoms, is a real slap in the face to all its citizens.

The US goes all over the world fighting for the dignity of all people. I think here is an opportunity to take a stand and say NOT IN OUR COUNTRY!

The time these 'people' served was not nearly enough and I'm sure it wasn't in a regular prison among thieves, murderers and rapists. This is where they should be put and let's see how well they come through 8-10 years of living somewhere where you always have to watch your back..................... Let them think on what they put these children through while they age' not so gracefully' within "the system".

Boy! This really brings out the least charitable/loving part of my being.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:52 pm

Scrat;1095919 wrote: Kindle at the end of the day money talks. It knows no morality.

Unfortunately how true. Money talks & bullsh*t walks.

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:00 pm

Scrat;1095919 wrote: Kindle at the end of the day money talks. It knows no morality.

and the article kept saying the parents thought she would be better off here......

So, I guess what needs to be done is to help lift these people out of poverty so that they don't have to sell their children just to survive. And rather than send them fish, we need to send them poles and teach them to fish for themselves so that they can become independent of others.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:08 pm

Kindle;1095929 wrote: and the article kept saying the parents thought she would be better off here......

So, I guess what needs to be done is to help lift these people out of poverty so that they don't have to sell their children just to survive. And rather than send them fish, we need to send them poles and teach them to fish for themselves so that they can become independent of others.

They need more than to be lifted from their poverty. The parents seem to be completely unaware of what their child has gone through. If they are aware then the matter must be so ingrained in their minds to be the norm between the poor and the rich as to counter what comes natural to animals. The solution to this social problem is neither simple nor cheap.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:13 pm

I do not think her real mother ever understood, she just expected her daughter to work like that for 10 years to help pay the bills. I do not think her mother can understand, if it continues around her on a daily basis. It is outside of her understanding.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:29 pm

chonsigirl;1095948 wrote: I do not think her real mother ever understood, she just expected her daughter to work like that for 10 years to help pay the bills. I do not think her mother can understand, if it continues around her on a daily basis. It is outside of her understanding.

Again, I see where it has become the accepted norm, the mother's natural instincts have been 'killed off', so to speak, over time. We know that this sort of thing has been going on for time immemorial around the world.

Raising them from poverty and even re-educating them may not be enough. Something more drastic may be required to 'break the mold'.

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:09 pm

OpenMind;1095961 wrote: Again, I see where it has become the accepted norm, the mother's natural instincts have been 'killed off', so to speak, over time. We know that this sort of thing has been going on for time immemorial around the world.

Raising them from poverty and even re-educating them may not be enough. Something more drastic may be required to 'break the mold'.

To break the mold, we need to EDUCATE THEM.

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:15 pm

Kindle;1095989 wrote: To break the mold, we need to EDUCATE THEM.

As I said in my post, SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC THAN THIS IS REQUIRED. If education was enough it would not be so proliferant.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:48 pm

Chonis,

Have you ever watched the movie "Joy Luck Club?" That movie showed the tragedy of young girls being sold to older men.

I just think that some cultures live in such poverty that the families don't know what to do with their children. How can you enducate some families who live like this...they can barely survive.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:38 pm

chonsigirl;1095843 wrote: Child 'slavery' being imported to U.S. - Life- msnbc.com

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believe it or not, its everywhere, we just don't hear about it!

totally disgusting it is!

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:42 pm

I read the book, and I understand what you are saying.

I remember when I lived in the barrio, I knew a girl who was brought here to be a maid for someone else, she was 14. She didn't go to school and worked all day long, for such small wages that were sent home. But her story ended in a nice way, when she turned 18 she left, went out on her own, (we shall never tell how,) got her GED and married a very nice man. She was one of the lucky ones.

But the ones who do not survive, or are treated in such a sub-human manner, it breaks the heart in this day and age. :-1

One day when I am old, I will write about such things I saw and heard and lived through on the sidelines, in the midst, invisible to the crowd. But I digressed from the OP, and how this sadness still exists today.

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:06 pm

chonsigirl;1096088 wrote: I read the book, and I understand what you are saying.

I remember when I lived in the barrio, I knew a girl who was brought here to be a maid for someone else, she was 14. She didn't go to school and worked all day long, for such small wages that were sent home. But her story ended in a nice way, when she turned 18 she left, went out on her own, (we shall never tell how,) got her GED and married a very nice man. She was one of the lucky ones.

But the ones who do not survive, or are treated in such a sub-human manner, it breaks the heart in this day and age. :-1

One day when I am old, I will write about such things I saw and heard and lived through on the sidelines, in the midst, invisible to the crowd. But I digressed from the OP, and how this sadness still exists today.

And I will read your book and cry with you Chonsi.:-6

Kathy Ellen · Post by **Kathy Ellen** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:11 pm

Kathy Ellen;1096121 wrote: And I will read your book and cry with you Chonsi.:-6

Wow, Chonsi...I just realized that you said that you lived in the barrio. How was life there for you.....

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:47 pm

OpenMind;1095995 wrote: As I said in my post, SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC THAN THIS IS REQUIRED. If education was enough it would not be so proliferant.

One can teach, but will they learn?

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:20 am

Kindle;1096196 wrote: One can teach, but will they learn?

First of all, let us remember that we, ourselves, are not that far away from the same kind of mentality of these people. Maybe not so much for America as it is a fairly new nation but I know it certainly went on in Britain into the 20th century. Even without slavery, many children were slaves to their own parents anyway.

I am sure there are exceptions to the rule as there always are. But the mindsets of these poor people have been ingrained over the centuries. If animals could verbalise their feelings, they would not agree to having their offspring taken away from them. But for these people, this is as much a part of life as the need for food. Given the money they need, they are still likely to enslave their own children.

As for education, the older someone becomes, particularly impoverished people, the less open their minds are. The more difficult it becomes to teach them new concepts. Their minds simply aren't willing. Education would have to be aimed at the young who are more willing and eager to learn. Even so, we would need to be prepared to take them away from their environment to prevent their parents using them for financial reasons.

It is not an easy matter to deal with but we know that it has been done for the children of the west. Nonetheless, the change didn't happen overnight.

Kindle · Post by **Kindle** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:27 am

In the US past when there were alot of family farms, they used to have many, many children because they needed the labor and they didn't have the options we have now to prevent them.......

Now when farms are conglomerates, they no longer need to raise a work force along with the crops.

Children today, here in the US, are a luxury. They cost alot, both in time and money. What a difference the era one is born in makes as to the attitutes of people. It's something to think about..................

OpenMind · Post by **OpenMind** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:59 am

Kindle;1096364 wrote: In the US past when there were alot of family farms, they used to have many, many children because they needed the labor and they didn't have the options we have now to prevent them.......

Now when farms are conglomerates, they no longer need to raise a work force along with the crops.

Children today, here in the US, are a luxury. They cost alot, both in time and money. What a difference the era one is born in makes as to the attitutes of people. It's something to think about..................

It is indeed. I know both Spot and I believe that we need to adopt radical changes for children born even within our own societies. We just differ on the method to be employed.

Nonetheless, this brings me back to Shyima's case. Amal Motelib and Nasser Ibrahim were affluent enough to know that slavery is illegal and also why it is illegal.

Now, personally, I'm not against the idea of a child going to another family if the child's parents cannot afford to raise and keep her. This is similar to fostering, after all. But the child must be willing and treated as a human and certainly not in the way these two and their family treated her. People like these must be targetted and dealt with harshly. Clearly, Amel Motelib has learnt nothing from her own time spent in prison if she has yet another 9 year old child.