The Hamas- Israeli - Palestinian situation is indeed tragic and pathetic and the causative agents are not soon to be resolved, if ever. Much of the world and people in general seem to have chosen sides and it makes me wonder if it's the number of innocent deaths of Palestinians that shocks peoples senses vs. the very limited death count to the Israeli's by way of rockets.
If a rocket fired by Hamas happened to get lucky and kill 700 Israeli civilians in one fell swoop, would the world say "Well now things are evened up, that's fair". Further, would the press even print it. Has the press chosen sides? Have you seen any written reports of damage or deaths incurred by Hamas rockets, ever?
Just wondering.
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Lon;1109368 wrote: The Hamas- Israeli - Palestinian situation is indeed tragic and pathetic and the causative agents are not soon to be resolved, if ever. Much of the world and people in general seem to have chosen sides and it makes me wonder if it's the number of innocent deaths of Palestinians that shocks peoples senses vs. the very limited death count to the Israeli's by way of rockets.
If a rocket fired by Hamas happened to get lucky and kill 700 Israeli civilians in one fell swoop, would the world say "Well now things are evened up, that's fair". Further, would the press even print it. Has the press chosen sides? Have you seen any written reports of damage or deaths incurred by Hamas rockets, ever?
Just wondering.
Yes - every death resulting from a Hamas rocket is emphasised (probably because there are so few of them) along with enough shots of people "scared by near misses when a rocket landed half a block away" to give some impression of evening up the reporting.
If a rocket fired by Hamas happened to get lucky and kill 700 Israeli civilians in one fell swoop, would the world say "Well now things are evened up, that's fair". Further, would the press even print it. Has the press chosen sides? Have you seen any written reports of damage or deaths incurred by Hamas rockets, ever?
Just wondering.
Yes - every death resulting from a Hamas rocket is emphasised (probably because there are so few of them) along with enough shots of people "scared by near misses when a rocket landed half a block away" to give some impression of evening up the reporting.
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Bryn Mawr;1109371 wrote: Yes - every death resulting from a Hamas rocket is emphasised (probably because there are so few of them) along with enough shots of people "scared by near misses when a rocket landed half a block away" to give some impression of evening up the reporting.
The reporting must be in the Israeli Press then, because I sure don't see much if any in the U.S. Press.
The reporting must be in the Israeli Press then, because I sure don't see much if any in the U.S. Press.
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Bryn Mawr;1109371 wrote: Yes - every death resulting from a Hamas rocket is emphasised (probably because there are so few of them) along with enough shots of people "scared by near misses when a rocket landed half a block away" to give some impression of evening up the reporting.
That might teach ol "HAMAS" that it is not nice to PI$$ in thy neighbors yard......
Or sumpin like that........
So, just who fired the first shot again....... I forget......
THINKIN..........Thinkin........
How can we blame this one on GW Bush?
That might teach ol "HAMAS" that it is not nice to PI$$ in thy neighbors yard......
Or sumpin like that........
So, just who fired the first shot again....... I forget......
THINKIN..........Thinkin........
How can we blame this one on GW Bush?
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Lon;1109378 wrote: The reporting must be in the Israeli Press then, because I sure don't see much if any in the U.S. Press.
Lon, I could attach you hundreds of links. Here in Britain, the conflict is reported massively with on the hour updates on sky. Our newspapers carry several different sides of the troubles daily of which we have quite a few national newspapers. They report fairly and represent both sides. Only two evenings ago i watched a British presenter tear into a Hamas spokesperson so here, the reporting is very fair.
We have also had riots in our streets of London. Only days ago, a demonstration in Hyde Park by palistinian's turned quie ugly. That was reported on unfavourably for Hamas.
Lon, I could attach you hundreds of links. Here in Britain, the conflict is reported massively with on the hour updates on sky. Our newspapers carry several different sides of the troubles daily of which we have quite a few national newspapers. They report fairly and represent both sides. Only two evenings ago i watched a British presenter tear into a Hamas spokesperson so here, the reporting is very fair.
We have also had riots in our streets of London. Only days ago, a demonstration in Hyde Park by palistinian's turned quie ugly. That was reported on unfavourably for Hamas.
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Lon;1109368 wrote: The Hamas- Israeli - Palestinian situation is indeed tragic and pathetic and the causative agents are not soon to be resolved, if ever. Much of the world and people in general seem to have chosen sides and it makes me wonder if it's the number of innocent deaths of Palestinians that shocks peoples senses vs. the very limited death count to the Israeli's by way of rockets.
If a rocket fired by Hamas happened to get lucky and kill 700 Israeli civilians in one fell swoop, would the world say "Well now things are evened up, that's fair". Further, would the press even print it. Has the press chosen sides? Have you seen any written reports of damage or deaths incurred by Hamas rockets, ever?
Just wondering.
The unfairness in most world leaders opinions is about proportion. Hamas do not have the military hardware that Israel have, just some pretty ineffective rockets. Israel can not pin point Hamas insurgents acurately so it is inevitable that a full ground war will lead to a blood bath for the Palistinians who apart from Hamas, have nothing to defend themselves with.
Israel has admited using 'white phospherous' in bombing raids into Gaza. It's illegal and is no different then which 'Chemical Ali' used on the Kurds.
If a rocket fired by Hamas happened to get lucky and kill 700 Israeli civilians in one fell swoop, would the world say "Well now things are evened up, that's fair". Further, would the press even print it. Has the press chosen sides? Have you seen any written reports of damage or deaths incurred by Hamas rockets, ever?
Just wondering.
The unfairness in most world leaders opinions is about proportion. Hamas do not have the military hardware that Israel have, just some pretty ineffective rockets. Israel can not pin point Hamas insurgents acurately so it is inevitable that a full ground war will lead to a blood bath for the Palistinians who apart from Hamas, have nothing to defend themselves with.
Israel has admited using 'white phospherous' in bombing raids into Gaza. It's illegal and is no different then which 'Chemical Ali' used on the Kurds.
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Lon;1109378 wrote: The reporting must be in the Israeli Press then, because I sure don't see much if any in the U.S. Press.
Overall, the UK media at least attempts to cover all the bases.
Whilst individual rags are biassed you can get an overview if you look.
Overall, the UK media at least attempts to cover all the bases.
Whilst individual rags are biassed you can get an overview if you look.
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BTS;1109380 wrote: That might teach ol "HAMAS" that it is not nice to PI$$ in thy neighbors yard......
Or sumpin like that........
So, just who fired the first shot again....... I forget......
THINKIN..........Thinkin........
How can we blame this one on GW Bush?
Which decade do you want to start at?
Or sumpin like that........
So, just who fired the first shot again....... I forget......
THINKIN..........Thinkin........
How can we blame this one on GW Bush?
Which decade do you want to start at?
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In terms of this tragedy being "fair" thats ridiculous, its not a game, or a rarefied debate, its a war in which both sides identify the other as mortal enemies; and both sides clearly understand this, Israel is not going to give up its military advantage over Hamas any more than the US would if it got into a war with Mexico, that would be idiotic.
Obviously the responsibility for the direct killing that is happening in Gaza belongs to the IDF that is carrying out, and I am sure that there will be a reckoning for this at some stage for Israel, they realize this, and there always is; however, Hamas are also completely responsible in that they have a quite deliberate policy of provoking Israel militarily and all they are surprised about is the scale of the Israeli response, in short the Hamas leaders in Gaza totally miscalculated, and their people are paying an awful price. Israel has chosen a policy of the military destruction of Hamas and its replacement by Fatah back into Gaza before the inauguration of President Obama, and they have calculated that the death and destruction of Palestinian civilian is justified because of their security needs, thats the question that Israel will have to answer for at some stage. In the same way that at some stage Britain and the US may have to justify the many hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq, and why those people are dead, and for what reason was the process (that ultimately wound up with them being dead) set in motion and by whom.
I actually try to honestly look at this from both sides, and see why this terrible situation is happening and why there seems to be no resolution to the conflict in much the same way as there seemed to be no resolution to the Northern Ireland troubles, until the present peace was achieved.
In that instance the British pursued a policy of counter-terrorism specifically targeted against the IRA and some acts of collective punishment against whom they considered to be unarguably nationalist sympathizers of the Armed struggle, of which Bloody Sunday was a prime example. Despite the overwhelming military superiority of the British State against the IRA, the British never went down the full route of a fully armed conflict, but then neither did the IRA, which is why it remained a relatively contained (if still appalling and brutal) conflict for all sides.
If however, the IRA or some other extreme group had somehow taken control of the Republic of Ireland in the south, and used the country's territory, economy, and military to launch missiles at Wales or Cornwall, or start firing mortars at Newry or Armagh from Dundalk, you can be pretty damn sure that there would have been a significant military response from Britain, probably up to and including the shelling or bombing of Irish cities with military installations in them and full scale invasion of the south; and we all knew that very clearly down here in the Republic which is why our leaders made sure we stayed out of it as much as was possible, however angry we were about what was going on; thats the analogy here, think about it.
I am not saying that what the Israelis are doing is right or acceptable, I don't feel qualified to judge that actually, but this situation did not develop overnight nor in a vacuum, that doesn't negate the responsibility of Israel in the final analysis, but a rush to judgement on why such decisions are being made based on emotive or ideologically-based arguments from thousands of miles away may not be correct either, everyone does seem to take sides on this conflict and you can almost tell from who someone votes for in Europe or America about which side they are on, which I don't really understand why its become a cipher for our own left and right politics, but it has. Thats all I want to say about it now because people are dying over there right now, so I don't want to say any more other than I think what the Palestinian people have had to endure and suffer for so long is truly a tragedy for them, and this episode is the worst in their history since 1967.
Obviously the responsibility for the direct killing that is happening in Gaza belongs to the IDF that is carrying out, and I am sure that there will be a reckoning for this at some stage for Israel, they realize this, and there always is; however, Hamas are also completely responsible in that they have a quite deliberate policy of provoking Israel militarily and all they are surprised about is the scale of the Israeli response, in short the Hamas leaders in Gaza totally miscalculated, and their people are paying an awful price. Israel has chosen a policy of the military destruction of Hamas and its replacement by Fatah back into Gaza before the inauguration of President Obama, and they have calculated that the death and destruction of Palestinian civilian is justified because of their security needs, thats the question that Israel will have to answer for at some stage. In the same way that at some stage Britain and the US may have to justify the many hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq, and why those people are dead, and for what reason was the process (that ultimately wound up with them being dead) set in motion and by whom.
I actually try to honestly look at this from both sides, and see why this terrible situation is happening and why there seems to be no resolution to the conflict in much the same way as there seemed to be no resolution to the Northern Ireland troubles, until the present peace was achieved.
In that instance the British pursued a policy of counter-terrorism specifically targeted against the IRA and some acts of collective punishment against whom they considered to be unarguably nationalist sympathizers of the Armed struggle, of which Bloody Sunday was a prime example. Despite the overwhelming military superiority of the British State against the IRA, the British never went down the full route of a fully armed conflict, but then neither did the IRA, which is why it remained a relatively contained (if still appalling and brutal) conflict for all sides.
If however, the IRA or some other extreme group had somehow taken control of the Republic of Ireland in the south, and used the country's territory, economy, and military to launch missiles at Wales or Cornwall, or start firing mortars at Newry or Armagh from Dundalk, you can be pretty damn sure that there would have been a significant military response from Britain, probably up to and including the shelling or bombing of Irish cities with military installations in them and full scale invasion of the south; and we all knew that very clearly down here in the Republic which is why our leaders made sure we stayed out of it as much as was possible, however angry we were about what was going on; thats the analogy here, think about it.
I am not saying that what the Israelis are doing is right or acceptable, I don't feel qualified to judge that actually, but this situation did not develop overnight nor in a vacuum, that doesn't negate the responsibility of Israel in the final analysis, but a rush to judgement on why such decisions are being made based on emotive or ideologically-based arguments from thousands of miles away may not be correct either, everyone does seem to take sides on this conflict and you can almost tell from who someone votes for in Europe or America about which side they are on, which I don't really understand why its become a cipher for our own left and right politics, but it has. Thats all I want to say about it now because people are dying over there right now, so I don't want to say any more other than I think what the Palestinian people have had to endure and suffer for so long is truly a tragedy for them, and this episode is the worst in their history since 1967.
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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oscar;1109389 wrote: Lon, I could attach you hundreds of links. Here in Britain, the conflict is reported massively with on the hour updates on sky. Our newspapers carry several different sides of the troubles daily of which we have quite a few national newspapers. They report fairly and represent both sides. Only two evenings ago i watched a British presenter tear into a Hamas spokesperson so here, the reporting is very fair.
We have also had riots in our streets of London. Only days ago, a demonstration in Hyde Park by palistinian's turned quie ugly. That was reported on unfavourably for Hamas.
I watch Sky here in NZ and BBC, Fox, CNN and read LeMonde and other Englsih language foreingn news papers and mags.
I am trying to be Devil's Advocate and my point is---------you have to really go looking to find anything supporting Israel, whereas the Israeili bombings and killing of innocents takes up the bulk of the news reports.
For those without a full understanding of the issues between the two warring factions, it influences them greatly. I understand why news agencies do this but it's still will sway thinking
We have also had riots in our streets of London. Only days ago, a demonstration in Hyde Park by palistinian's turned quie ugly. That was reported on unfavourably for Hamas.
I watch Sky here in NZ and BBC, Fox, CNN and read LeMonde and other Englsih language foreingn news papers and mags.
I am trying to be Devil's Advocate and my point is---------you have to really go looking to find anything supporting Israel, whereas the Israeili bombings and killing of innocents takes up the bulk of the news reports.
For those without a full understanding of the issues between the two warring factions, it influences them greatly. I understand why news agencies do this but it's still will sway thinking
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There really isn't any point in rehashing history, Israel IS, and isn't going anywhere, and, has a right to live in peace and to defend itself. Something has to be done about the now, and how to move forward, but that won't happen until Hamas is out and/or renounces it's charter and wish to destroy Israel.
It's not just the thousands of rockets, but the suicide bombers etc. I suppose it is only okay for Israel to defend itself only when those tunnels Hamas uses to bring weapons in from Iran and Syria are big enough to transport nukes to launch into Israel?
I have to ask, how many Jews have to die before people think it's acceptable for Israel to retaliate?
As Golda Meir said: There will only be peace until they love their children more than they hate Israel.
It's not just the thousands of rockets, but the suicide bombers etc. I suppose it is only okay for Israel to defend itself only when those tunnels Hamas uses to bring weapons in from Iran and Syria are big enough to transport nukes to launch into Israel?
I have to ask, how many Jews have to die before people think it's acceptable for Israel to retaliate?
As Golda Meir said: There will only be peace until they love their children more than they hate Israel.
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Galbally;1109536 wrote: In terms of this tragedy being "fair" thats ridiculous, its not a game, or a rarefied debate, its a war in which both sides identify the other as mortal enemies; and both sides clearly understand this, Israel is not going to give up its military advantage over Hamas any more than the US would if it got into a war with Mexico, that would be idiotic.
Obviously the responsibility for the direct killing that is happening in Gaza belongs to the IDF that is carrying out, and I am sure that there will be a reckoning for this at some stage for Israel, they realize this, and there always is; however, Hamas are also completely responsible in that they have a quite deliberate policy of provoking Israel militarily and all they are surprised about is the scale of the Israeli response, in short the Hamas leaders in Gaza totally miscalculated, and their people are paying an awful price. Israel has chosen a policy of the military destruction of Hamas and its replacement by Fatah back into Gaza before the inauguration of President Obama, and they have calculated that the death and destruction of Palestinian civilian is justified because of their security needs, thats the question that Israel will have to answer for at some stage. In the same way that at some stage Britain and the US may have to justify the many hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq, and why those people are dead, and for what reason was the process (that ultimately wound up with them being dead) set in motion and by whom.
I actually try to honestly look at this from both sides, and see why this terrible situation is happening and why there seems to be no resolution to the conflict in much the same way as there seemed to be no resolution to the Northern Ireland troubles, until the present peace was achieved.
In that instance the British pursued a policy of counter-terrorism specifically targeted against the IRA and some acts of collective punishment against whom they considered to be unarguably nationalist sympathizers of the Armed struggle, of which Bloody Sunday was a prime example. Despite the overwhelming military superiority of the British State against the IRA, the British never went down the full route of a fully armed conflict, but then neither did the IRA, which is why it remained a relatively contained (if still appalling and brutal) conflict for all sides.
If however, the IRA or some other extreme group had somehow taken control of the Republic of Ireland in the south, and used the country's territory, economy, and military to launch missiles at Wales or Cornwall, or start firing mortars at Newry or Armagh from Dundalk, you can be pretty damn sure that there would have been a significant military response from Britain, probably up to and including the shelling or bombing of Irish cities with military installations in them and full scale invasion of the south; and we all knew that very clearly down here in the Republic which is why our leaders made sure we stayed out of it as much as was possible, however angry we were about what was going on; thats the analogy here, think about it.
I am not saying that what the Israelis are doing is right or acceptable, I don't feel qualified to judge that actually, but this situation did not develop overnight nor in a vacuum, that doesn't negate the responsibility of Israel in the final analysis, but a rush to judgement on why such decisions are being made based on emotive or ideologically-based arguments from thousands of miles away may not be correct either, everyone does seem to take sides on this conflict and you can almost tell from who someone votes for in Europe or America about which side they are on, which I don't really understand why its become a cipher for our own left and right politics, but it has. Thats all I want to say about it now because people are dying over there right now, so I don't want to say any more other than I think what the Palestinian people have had to endure and suffer for so long is truly a tragedy for them, and this episode is the worst in their history since 1967.
My use of FAIR was mean't as sarcasm.
Obviously the responsibility for the direct killing that is happening in Gaza belongs to the IDF that is carrying out, and I am sure that there will be a reckoning for this at some stage for Israel, they realize this, and there always is; however, Hamas are also completely responsible in that they have a quite deliberate policy of provoking Israel militarily and all they are surprised about is the scale of the Israeli response, in short the Hamas leaders in Gaza totally miscalculated, and their people are paying an awful price. Israel has chosen a policy of the military destruction of Hamas and its replacement by Fatah back into Gaza before the inauguration of President Obama, and they have calculated that the death and destruction of Palestinian civilian is justified because of their security needs, thats the question that Israel will have to answer for at some stage. In the same way that at some stage Britain and the US may have to justify the many hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq, and why those people are dead, and for what reason was the process (that ultimately wound up with them being dead) set in motion and by whom.
I actually try to honestly look at this from both sides, and see why this terrible situation is happening and why there seems to be no resolution to the conflict in much the same way as there seemed to be no resolution to the Northern Ireland troubles, until the present peace was achieved.
In that instance the British pursued a policy of counter-terrorism specifically targeted against the IRA and some acts of collective punishment against whom they considered to be unarguably nationalist sympathizers of the Armed struggle, of which Bloody Sunday was a prime example. Despite the overwhelming military superiority of the British State against the IRA, the British never went down the full route of a fully armed conflict, but then neither did the IRA, which is why it remained a relatively contained (if still appalling and brutal) conflict for all sides.
If however, the IRA or some other extreme group had somehow taken control of the Republic of Ireland in the south, and used the country's territory, economy, and military to launch missiles at Wales or Cornwall, or start firing mortars at Newry or Armagh from Dundalk, you can be pretty damn sure that there would have been a significant military response from Britain, probably up to and including the shelling or bombing of Irish cities with military installations in them and full scale invasion of the south; and we all knew that very clearly down here in the Republic which is why our leaders made sure we stayed out of it as much as was possible, however angry we were about what was going on; thats the analogy here, think about it.
I am not saying that what the Israelis are doing is right or acceptable, I don't feel qualified to judge that actually, but this situation did not develop overnight nor in a vacuum, that doesn't negate the responsibility of Israel in the final analysis, but a rush to judgement on why such decisions are being made based on emotive or ideologically-based arguments from thousands of miles away may not be correct either, everyone does seem to take sides on this conflict and you can almost tell from who someone votes for in Europe or America about which side they are on, which I don't really understand why its become a cipher for our own left and right politics, but it has. Thats all I want to say about it now because people are dying over there right now, so I don't want to say any more other than I think what the Palestinian people have had to endure and suffer for so long is truly a tragedy for them, and this episode is the worst in their history since 1967.
My use of FAIR was mean't as sarcasm.
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Lon;1109598 wrote: I watch Sky here in NZ and BBC, Fox, CNN and read LeMonde and other Englsih language foreingn news papers and mags.
I am trying to be Devil's Advocate and my point is---------you have to really go looking to find anything supporting Israel, whereas the Israeili bombings and killing of innocents takes up the bulk of the news reports.
For those without a full understanding of the issues between the two warring factions, it influences them greatly. I understand why news agencies do this but it's still will sway thinking
Maybe that is just a fair reflection of the amount of killing being done by the two sides don't you think?
I am trying to be Devil's Advocate and my point is---------you have to really go looking to find anything supporting Israel, whereas the Israeili bombings and killing of innocents takes up the bulk of the news reports.
For those without a full understanding of the issues between the two warring factions, it influences them greatly. I understand why news agencies do this but it's still will sway thinking
Maybe that is just a fair reflection of the amount of killing being done by the two sides don't you think?
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freetobeme;1109608 wrote: There really isn't any point in rehashing history, Israel IS, and isn't going anywhere, and, has a right to live in peace and to defend itself. Something has to be done about the now, and how to move forward, but that won't happen until Hamas is out and/or renounces it's charter and wish to destroy Israel.
It's not just the thousands of rockets, but the suicide bombers etc. I suppose it is only okay for Israel to defend itself only when those tunnels Hamas uses to bring weapons in from Iran and Syria are big enough to transport nukes to launch into Israel?
I have to ask, how many Jews have to die before people think it's acceptable for Israel to retaliate?
As Golda Meir said: There will only be peace until they love their children more than they hate Israel.
Let me turn that back at you - how many Palestinians have to die before you think that it's an unacceptable level of retaliation?
It's not just the thousands of rockets, but the suicide bombers etc. I suppose it is only okay for Israel to defend itself only when those tunnels Hamas uses to bring weapons in from Iran and Syria are big enough to transport nukes to launch into Israel?
I have to ask, how many Jews have to die before people think it's acceptable for Israel to retaliate?
As Golda Meir said: There will only be peace until they love their children more than they hate Israel.
Let me turn that back at you - how many Palestinians have to die before you think that it's an unacceptable level of retaliation?
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Bryn Mawr;1109634 wrote: Maybe that is just a fair reflection of the amount of killing being done by the two sides don't you think?
Possibly, or perhaps bias? How do we really know?
Is retaliation ever justified?
Possibly, or perhaps bias? How do we really know?
Is retaliation ever justified?
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Lon;1109628 wrote: My use of FAIR was mean't as sarcasm.
I wasn't thinking of your use of "fair" when I was reacting to that actually, but someone else's.
I wasn't thinking of your use of "fair" when I was reacting to that actually, but someone else's.
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;1109645 wrote: I wasn't thinking of your use of "fair" when I was reacting to that actually, but someone else's.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
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freetobeme;1109608 wrote: There really isn't any point in rehashing history, Israel IS, and isn't going anywhere, and, has a right to live in peace and to defend itself. Something has to be done about the now, and how to move forward, but that won't happen until Hamas is out and/or renounces it's charter and wish to destroy Israel.
It's not just the thousands of rockets, but the suicide bombers etc. I suppose it is only okay for Israel to defend itself only when those tunnels Hamas uses to bring weapons in from Iran and Syria are big enough to transport nukes to launch into Israel?
I have to ask, how many Jews have to die before people think it's acceptable for Israel to retaliate?
As Golda Meir said: There will only be peace until they love their children more than they hate Israel.
How long will the oppressive Israel continue to deny Palistinian's the basic rights to food, water and medical supply's?
They have been doing it for years.
If they want to oust Hamas then use intelligence to track them and capture them as the rest of the world does in war on terror.
We have very large populations of all ethnic groups here in England which by the way, is because we are a free country with a respect of any nationality.
In the past, we have had minor problems with ethnic community's, i.e 'Finsbury Park'. These problems stem from a very small group of religious fanatics and do not represent the entire Muslim community. The British policy is to use our intelligence agency's to moniter, track, capture, bring to prosecution and deport.
This works extremely well. What we don't do, is lump the entire community in with a few insurgents and bomb the shyte out of their women and children, seal off the area and deny the whole community of food and water.
If other countries can use intelligence to the level we have here in Britain, Israel just have no excuse and it is why the world is now sick to death of them. Time has run out for Israel and the world is turning.
Some of the greatest world leaders have tried for years to bring peace to the Middle East and there will no doubt be future world leaders who will endeavor to bring peace. They couldn't do it years ago and they won't do it now. All the time Israel is allowed to deny the basic rights to the Palistinians, there will never be peace. Israel want it all and give nothing back.
Even when world leaders were calling for a cease-fire, Israel published the fact that they were upping the attack on Gaza. Israel has no respect for any other country other than themselves including America who funds them.
I hope the world follows the example of Bolivia and cuts all tie's with them.
It's not just the thousands of rockets, but the suicide bombers etc. I suppose it is only okay for Israel to defend itself only when those tunnels Hamas uses to bring weapons in from Iran and Syria are big enough to transport nukes to launch into Israel?
I have to ask, how many Jews have to die before people think it's acceptable for Israel to retaliate?
As Golda Meir said: There will only be peace until they love their children more than they hate Israel.
How long will the oppressive Israel continue to deny Palistinian's the basic rights to food, water and medical supply's?
They have been doing it for years.
If they want to oust Hamas then use intelligence to track them and capture them as the rest of the world does in war on terror.
We have very large populations of all ethnic groups here in England which by the way, is because we are a free country with a respect of any nationality.
In the past, we have had minor problems with ethnic community's, i.e 'Finsbury Park'. These problems stem from a very small group of religious fanatics and do not represent the entire Muslim community. The British policy is to use our intelligence agency's to moniter, track, capture, bring to prosecution and deport.
This works extremely well. What we don't do, is lump the entire community in with a few insurgents and bomb the shyte out of their women and children, seal off the area and deny the whole community of food and water.
If other countries can use intelligence to the level we have here in Britain, Israel just have no excuse and it is why the world is now sick to death of them. Time has run out for Israel and the world is turning.
Some of the greatest world leaders have tried for years to bring peace to the Middle East and there will no doubt be future world leaders who will endeavor to bring peace. They couldn't do it years ago and they won't do it now. All the time Israel is allowed to deny the basic rights to the Palistinians, there will never be peace. Israel want it all and give nothing back.
Even when world leaders were calling for a cease-fire, Israel published the fact that they were upping the attack on Gaza. Israel has no respect for any other country other than themselves including America who funds them.
I hope the world follows the example of Bolivia and cuts all tie's with them.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon