Friday the 13th

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:07 am

On Friday we have the date that makes some very nervous......Friday the13th.So does the thought of that day make you worried or just think what aload of old rubbish......or has the date in the past showed to you that it is indeed a day to be watched?

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:08 am

I may be weird, Carolly - okay I am indeed weird - but I've always thought Friday 13 was a lucky day. :sneaky:

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:11 am

AussiePam;1131382 wrote: I may be weird, Carolly - okay I am indeed weird - but I've always thought Friday 13 was a lucky day. :sneaky:Is that just you or did you mean in general as over here it means..........lock yerself in yer bedroom for the day with a good book and yer pc of course...........and just hope the electric dont go:wah:;):D

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:11 am

I am wary on that day but I dont stop in

:D

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:15 am

kayleneaussie;1131386 wrote: I am wary on that day but I dont stop in

:DWhy are you wary though mate.

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:28 am

Carolly;1131387 wrote: Why are you wary though mate.

incase something bad happens:sneaky:

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:35 am

kayleneaussie;1131392 wrote: incase something bad happens:sneaky:Has it ever before.........gawd its like getting blood out of a stone:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:48 am

Carolly;1131393 wrote: Has it ever before.........gawd its like getting blood out of a stone:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

well i could always bump into you down the shops :yh_rotfl

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:55 am

kayleneaussie;1131394 wrote: well i could always bump into you down the shops :yh_rotflOh how can I talk serious to you fgs:-5:-5Im trying to have a serious discussion here....... now behave woman and go and make yerself a bacon sarni or somefing:rolleyes::sneaky:

kayleneaussie · Post by **kayleneaussie** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:03 am

Carolly;1131395 wrote: Oh how can I talk serious to you fgs:-5:-5Im trying to have a serious discussion here....... now behave woman and go and make yerself a bacon sarni or somefing:rolleyes::sneaky:

might have a scotch:sneaky::guitarist

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:15 am

kayleneaussie;1131396 wrote: might have a scotch:sneaky::guitaristGood idea then you can get drunk and miss it:rolleyes::D

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:24 am

I grew up with a mother who saluted magpie's, never crossed knives etc etc..... It's load of old rubbish. It's no different to any other day. Mishaps happen every day but people just remember them better if they happen to be on fri 13th.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:38 am

You don't remember Dave Allen's shaggy dog story about HMS Friday?Sometime in the 19th century, the Royal Navy attempted to finally dispel the old superstition among sailors that beginning a voyage on a Friday was certain to bring bad luck. To demonstrate the falseness of this belief, they decided to commission a ship named HMS Friday. Her keel was laid on a Friday, she was launched on a Friday, and she set sail on her maiden voyage on a Friday, under the command of a Captain James Friday. She was never seen or heard from again.The remarkable thing about it is the number of times it's been repeated since as true.

There's a thing called reinforcement which can be demonstrated in both animals and people, both for positive and negative events. In order to try to make something happen again that either did happen in the past or (in the case of people) someone was told happened in the past, people and animals will try to recreate the immediate circumstances before it happened. If they want to avoid it happening again they'll avoid recreating the circumstances. I think people trying to avoid the perceived bad things they've heard about Friday 13th change their behaviours. The question is whether there's a real link between the behaviours and the feared event. If the feared event is that Friday 13th is an unlucky day I honestly can't think of how anyone would know what "circumstances" are. Doing nothing all day might well be the reason something good didn't happen, in which case the bad luck's caused by the attempt to avoid it.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:39 am

Ive been reading up on this subect .....something here people may want to read.

Freaky Friday: The superstitions behind Friday the 13th--thirteenth Beliefnet Judas - Beliefnet.com

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:41 am

Carolly;1131406 wrote: Ive been reading up on this subect .....something here people may want to read.Are you trying to start a Church of Friday 13th, Carolly? What's with the pushing people to find out about it?

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:42 am

spot;1131405 wrote: You don't remember Dave Allen's shaggy dog story about HMS Friday?Sometime in the 19th century, the Royal Navy attempted to finally dispel the old superstition among sailors that beginning a voyage on a Friday was certain to bring bad luck. To demonstrate the falseness of this belief, they decided to commission a ship named HMS Friday. Her keel was laid on a Friday, she was launched on a Friday, and she set sail on her maiden voyage on a Friday, under the command of a Captain James Friday. She was never seen or heard from again.The remarkable thing about it is the number of times it's been repeated since as true.

There's a thing called reinforcement which can be demonstrated in both animals and people, both for positive and negative events. In order to try to make something happen again that either did happen in the past or (in the case of people) someone was told happened in the past, people and animals will try to recreate the immediate circumstances before it happened. If they want to avoid it happening again they'll avoid recreating the circumstances. I think people trying to avoid the perceived bad things they've heard about Friday 13th change their behaviours. The question is whether there's a real link between the behaviours and the feared event. If the feared event is that Friday 13th is an unlucky day I honestly can't think of how anyone would know what "circumstances" are. Doing nothing all day might well be the reason something good didn't happen, in which case the bad luck's caused by the attempt to avoid it.Good post Spot thankyou.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:45 am

spot;1131405 wrote: You don't remember Dave Allen's shaggy dog story about HMS Friday?Sometime in the 19th century, the Royal Navy attempted to finally dispel the old superstition among sailors that beginning a voyage on a Friday was certain to bring bad luck. To demonstrate the falseness of this belief, they decided to commission a ship named HMS Friday. Her keel was laid on a Friday, she was launched on a Friday, and she set sail on her maiden voyage on a Friday, under the command of a Captain James Friday. She was never seen or heard from again.The remarkable thing about it is the number of times it's been repeated since as true.

There's a thing called reinforcement which can be demonstrated in both animals and people, both for positive and negative events. In order to try to make something happen again that either did happen in the past or (in the case of people) someone was told happened in the past, people and animals will try to recreate the immediate circumstances before it happened. If they want to avoid it happening again they'll avoid recreating the circumstances. I think people trying to avoid the perceived bad things they've heard about Friday 13th change their behaviours. The question is whether there's a real link between the behaviours and the feared event. If the feared event is that Friday 13th is an unlucky day I honestly can't think of how anyone would know what "circumstances" are. Doing nothing all day might well be the reason something good didn't happen, in which case the bad luck's caused by the attempt to avoid it.

Dave Allen..... wasn't he wonderfull?

I totally agree. If you go mountain climbing on fri 13th, it's likely you will have a mis-hap due to probability.

I myself prefer to defy friday 13th and deliberately walk into traffic and under ladders. Nothing has ever happened to me before.

I really can't understand people who refuse to go out side etc.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:47 am

spot;1131409 wrote: Are you trying to start a Church of Friday 13th, Carolly? What's with the pushing people to find out about it?Tut silly me:D

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:49 am

Carolly;1131406 wrote: Ive been reading up on this subect .....something here people may want to read.

Freaky Friday: The superstitions behind Friday the 13th--thirteenth Beliefnet Judas - Beliefnet.com

Most superstitions are based from religion. It has nothing to do with weather the probability of some-thing happening to you on fri 13th.

You can take any religion and connect it to any day.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:50 am

Carolly;1131413 wrote: Tut silly me:D

I wondered, that's all. You must have had something in mind when you started the thread, I was giving you a hook to hang it on.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:53 am

For the record I for one had no idea how this fear of the 13th came about and nor did the person who wrote the article did as the opening line showed.

Ever wonder what the big deal is about Friday the 13th? We did, and found most of the superstition is rooted in religion.
I for one find subjects like this interesting.....maybe rubbish to some I know.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:00 am

Carolly;1131416 wrote: For the record I for one had no idea how this fear of the 13th came about and nor did the person who wrote the article did as the opening line showed.

I for one find subjects like this interesting.....maybe rubbish to some I know.

If you asked 1,000 children what fri 13th was about..... they wouldn't have a clue other than what they have heard adults say. It is similar to folklore and urban myths passed down through generations.

You can not connect any religion with superstition.... the two do not hold together.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:01 am

Carolly;1131416 wrote: For the record I for one had no idea how this fear of the 13th came about and nor did the person who wrote the article did as the opening line showed.

I for one find subjects like this interesting.....maybe rubbish to some I know.

My mother used to bow to pie-bald horses......What religion does that come from from???

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:02 am

oscar;1131414 wrote: Most superstitions are based from religion. It has nothing to do with weather the probability of some-thing happening to you on fri 13th.

You can take any religion and connect it to any day.I happen to not believe in any type of religion and have my own thoughts about that area.I also dont believe I am going to walk under a ladder on Friday and get a tin of paint fall on me or I will see a black cat and have to watch myself......no I dont believe in any of it but know plenty that do and because I dont believe it I have to respect their concerns for the day.One person I used to know actually wouldnt go out that day and I never understood her but also would never mock her.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:04 am

Carolly;1131416 wrote: For the record I for one had no idea how this fear of the 13th came about and nor did the person who wrote the article did as the opening line showed.

I for one find subjects like this interesting.....maybe rubbish to some I know.

Not at all, one of the finest books I ever read was all about superstition and gave what I found to be a coherent explanation for its existence. I'm not sure whether I read it at school or just after but it was a while ago. The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion by James George Frazer.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:05 am

oscar;1131419 wrote: My mother used to bow to pie-bald horses......What religion does that come from from???Dunno you better go and look that up on the net.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:07 am

oscar;1131418 wrote: If you asked 1,000 children what fri 13th was about..... they wouldn't have a clue other than what they have heard adults say. It is similar to folklore and urban myths passed down through generations.

You can not connect any religion with superstition.... the two do not hold together.Tell the ones that wrote it I suggest.Or maybe its not them you seem to want to argue with.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:19 am

Carolly;1131423 wrote: Tell the ones that wrote it I suggest.Or maybe its not them you seem to want to argue with.

I don't want to argue with any-one... I just don't believe that religion comes into it. Alot of superstition is passed down from generations. I had the lot with my mum and i must admit that i'd do some out of habit such as throwing salt over my shoulder or never putting new shoes on a table. It's not part of my religion, it's what was passed down in our family through generations. When ever i do something like throw salt over my shoulder, i know i'm doing it out of habit and not because i believe it in a way that i believe my religion.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:23 am

oscar;1131426 wrote: It's not part of my religion, it's what was passed down in our family through generations. When ever i do something like throw salt over my shoulder, i know i'm doing it out of habit and not because i believe it in a way that i believe my religion.Was your religion not passed down through generations too, either in your family or in your more general society? In what way is religion not a habit of just the same origin?

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:25 am

oscar;1131426 wrote: I don't want to argue with any-one... I just don't believe that religion comes into it. Alot of superstition is passed down from generations. I had the lot with my mum and i must admit that i'd do some out of habit such as throwing salt over my shoulder or never putting new shoes on a table. It's not part of my religion, it's what was passed down in our family through generations. When ever i do something like throw salt over my shoulder, i know i'm doing it out of habit and not because i believe it in a way that i believe my religion.Well I have no idea where it comes from and that is why I looked it up to find out and was somewhat surprised.What you believe or indeed what I believe is not written for me to show and doubt it ever will be.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:33 am

spot;1131429 wrote: Was your religion not passed down through generations too, either in your family or in your more general society? In what way is religion not a habit of just the same origin?
No, not really. We were taken to church for rememberence day etc but as a child, i just knew the church to be a builing where we went to give prayer or thanks. The actual religion of my choice was not pushed upon me as my parents were great believers in us making our own minds up when we were old enough. My religion of C of E was entirely my choice as was my brother becoming and practising Catholic.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:41 am

oscar;1131435 wrote: No, not really. We were taken to church for rememberence day etc but as a child, i just knew the church to be a builing where we went to give prayer or thanks. The actual religion of my choice was not pushed upon me as my parents were great believers in us making our own minds up when we were old enough. My religion of C of E was entirely my choice as was my brother becoming and practising Catholic.
I don't see the difference between that and a person who grows up in a non-superstitious family and decides as an adult to become superstitious.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:50 am

spot;1131438 wrote: I don't see the difference between that and a person who grows up in a non-superstitious family and decides as an adult to become superstitious.

I suppose your right. I asked my mother where she got some of these superstitions from and she said her mother was deeply superstitious, yet i decided quite early in life that it was a lot of nonsence. They were deeply superstitious yet not religious.

Although i thought it was nonsence, i would appease my mother as if i spilt salt, she would have a fit if i didn't chuck the salt over my shoulder. I asked her once what this meant and she said it was to blind the devil. Yet she didn't believe in the devil... hence my believing that some superstitions are merely urban myths passed through generations.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:52 am

oscar;1131414 wrote: Most superstitions are based from religion. It has nothing to do with weather the probability of some-thing happening to you on fri 13th.

You can take any religion and connect it to any day.

its ment to be a masonic date

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:01 am

el guapo;1131442 wrote: its ment to be a masonic date

Is it???

My dad was a mason.

:( he was a brother

Post by **Sunshine** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:04 am

For me it is just another day. I'm not a superstious person at all. :-6

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:05 am

just another day.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:06 am

Sunshine;1131447 wrote: For me it is just another day. I'm not a superstious person at all. :-6

Me too..... My mum died on fri 13th and we don't give it another thought.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:06 am

Sunshine;1131447 wrote: For me it is just another day. I'm not a superstious person at all. :-6

Odie;1131449 wrote: just another day.

You're obviously neither of you daughters of Satan then.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:16 am

spot;1131451 wrote: You're obviously neither of you daughters of Satan then. :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Oh Spot... you do cheer me up.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:34 am

spot;1131451 wrote: You're obviously neither of you daughters of Satan then.

omg...that was good!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:27 am

just another day for me but then I like the number 13.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:59 am

sunny104;1131489 wrote: just another day for me but then I like the number 13. :DI like the numbers 3 and 21:D;)

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:28 am

Carolly;1131512 wrote: I like the numbers 3 and 21:D;)

Three are the Rivals if I remember my folk etymology though from my background Three are the Rights of Man and the number 21 goes to Newington Green.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:52 am

[QUOTE=spot;1131538]Three are the Rivals if I remember my folk etymology though from my background Three are the Rights of Man and the number 21 goes to Newington Green.[/QUOTE]:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflGood restaurant there:D

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:04 am

There are two Friday the 13th's in a row - February & March. My birthday is Friday March 13th and I consider it lucky. I should go play the lottery:wah:

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:09 am

I hope its a good day as I'm having Hand surgery this Friday.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:13 am

CARLA;1131577 wrote: I hope its a good day as I'm having Hand surgery this Friday.

Good luck Carla with your surgery. My dad just had surgery on his hand also and has recovered with lots of therapy.

Post by **spot** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:13 am

CARLA;1131577 wrote: I hope its a good day as I'm having Hand surgery this Friday.

If I were you I'd write on the good hand "NOT THIS ONE!" before you go just to be sure, and put a glove on it taped to your wrist.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:17 am

I will be at a funeral this Friday the 13th, and from here on in I think I will use every friday the 13th to remind me how precious life is.