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Back in the 60's, if someone asked my political bent, I would reply that I was a conservative. Having been involved with "Barry Goldwater's" presidential bid and attending the "Cow Palace" convention, my reply seemed appropriate.

Though conservative, I never could get into the "John Birch" thing. Today, if asked the same question, I will reply, "in what area". Merely saying today that I am a Conservative doesn't really define my political beliefs, in fact, it could imply a number of things that I am not. I am generally conservative fiscally, and socially liberal. Even some people that call themselves liberals may be conservative in one area and liberal in another. It really bugs me to hear people compare Bush with Hitler. Disliking Bush is one thing, but comparing him to Hitler as many are won't to do, is asinine and totally lacking in intelligence.

The last election brought out more hate and venom than I have ever witnessed in my 50 years of voting. Even ole Barry Golwater never had to put up with the labling that George Bush has, and oh how the left despised Barry. The Goldwater campaign in the 60's had a slogan "In Your Heart You Know He's Right". Unfortunatley for his campaign, it took 20 years for people to realize it. I really hate labeling.
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There are lots of people that don't like GW but I don't like him because he doesn't do enough for the ordinary guy. He could be considered one of he greatest presidents in American history if he were to institute a medicare system similar to that of Canada.

America is built to give the little guy a decent chance at being well-to-do. What good is it if you get sick and lose everything, that you have spent your life working for, to a doctor that your tax dollars have helped to educate? Health care, like free speech, should be constitutional.

The animosity and recriminations for the presidency are far deeper than the war in Iraq. Looking inside America should be the next phase of poltics. If the left and right agreed to do the things that they believed should benefit the ordinary American then America could rise above living in the world of epithets hurled against those vying for power by the supporters on either side of the political spectrum.
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kensloft wrote: There are lots of people that don't like GW but I don't like him because he doesn't do enough for the ordinary guy. He could be considered one of he greatest presidents in American history if he were to institute a medicare system similar to that of Canada.

America is built to give the little guy a decent chance at being well-to-do. What good is it if you get sick and lose everything, that you have spent your life working for, to a doctor that your tax dollars have helped to educate? Health care, like free speech, should be constitutional.

The animosity and recriminations for the presidency are far deeper than the war in Iraq. Looking inside America should be the next phase of poltics. If the left and right agreed to do the things that they believed should benefit the ordinary American then America could rise above living in the world of epithets hurled against those vying for power by the supporters on either side of the political spectrum.


I hate to admit I may have to be forced to "tolerate" the guy as he has been chatting it up with our premier here and wants to invest in our oil sands up north, that could mean...more $$ to Albertains for what we are worth and what we produce go Ralphie and George. It is about bloody time and as for our PM he can go blow if he does not want a relationship with GW!
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minks wrote: I hate to admit I may have to be forced to "tolerate" the guy as he has been chatting it up with our premier here and wants to invest in our oil sands up north, that could mean...more $$ to Albertains for what we are worth and what we produce go Ralphie and George. It is about bloody time and as for our PM he can go blow if he does not want a relationship with GW!
I find it funny and hope you and gw hit it off famously. When you run out of resources and the steel and other technologies are no longer available due to the lack of resources you can eat your money, drive your money or export your money to get the things that you take for granted. Albeit the prices for goods may skyrocket but what the hay... you'll always have wheat and cows. Chopping by hand will make you strong and you can have all the barbques that you want with the chaff from the wheat.

You can tell your grandkids what a great life you had. Pack their lunches for their hikes into the fields where they will be making their livings dreaming about the good life that grandma had and wondering what the f they are doing in the fields.
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kensloft wrote: I find it funny and hope you and gw hit it off famously. When you run out of resources and the steel and other technologies are no longer available due to the lack of resources you can eat your money, drive your money or export your money to get the things that you take for granted. Albeit the prices for goods may skyrocket but what the hay... you'll always have wheat and cows. Chopping by hand will make you strong and you can have all the barbques that you want with the chaff from the wheat.

You can tell your grandkids what a great life you had. Pack their lunches for their hikes into the fields where they will be making their livings dreaming about the good life that grandma had and wondering what the f they are doing in the fields.


Step a little closer to the monitor K I want to poke you in the eye for being such a pain :P
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you speak as though GW is about to Rape us, well my friend, The "East" has been doing so for centuries and I think we will manage to hold our own as we have always been left to do. We are Albertains after all, we survived the great depression, the 80's and Trudeau we can survive GW too it is our nature. But don't forget unlike others we have learned from our mistakes.
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minks wrote: Step a little closer to the monitor K I want to poke you in the eye for being such a pain :P
No can do. I am impeded by my tfp safety device.
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minks wrote: you speak as though GW is about to Rape us, well my friend, The "East" has been doing so for centuries and I think we will manage to hold our own as we have always been left to do. We are Albertains after all, we survived the great depression, the 80's and Trudeau we can survive GW too it is our nature. But don't forget unlike others we have learned from our mistakes.
Centuries? Pemmican wasn't that big a resource. I take it that your politicians are more squeaky clean than the rest... huh? Leduc is only a little over a half century ago.

Actually I am happy that you are training the Hibernia crews for their kick at the can.
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kensloft wrote: There are lots of people that don't like GW but I don't like him because he doesn't do enough for the ordinary guy. He could be considered one of he greatest presidents in American history if he were to institute a medicare system similar to that of Canada.



America is built to give the little guy a decent chance at being well-to-do. What good is it if you get sick and lose everything, that you have spent your life working for, to a doctor that your tax dollars have helped to educate? Health care, like free speech, should be constitutional.



The animosity and recriminations for the presidency are far deeper than the war in Iraq. Looking inside America should be the next phase of poltics. If the left and right agreed to do the things that they believed should benefit the ordinary American then America could rise above living in the world of epithets hurled against those vying for power by the supporters on either side of the political spectrum.
I understand the animosity towards Bush and respect others rights to dislike and even hate him, but comparisons to Hitler are a real stretch and totally unfair and unreasonable. I am not a Bush fan my self. In the last U.S. election I did not like any of the candidates. It's hard to believe that was the best we could put up.
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kensloft wrote: Centuries? Pemmican wasn't that big a resource. I take it that your politicians are more squeaky clean than the rest... huh? Leduc is only a little over a half century ago.

Actually I am happy that you are training the Hibernia crews for their kick at the can.


ahaha I meant decades ok your turn to poke me in the eye oops

But still I remain bitterly yours...

I am an Albertain through and through and have a tough time forgiving a lot of what the east has done to us and can only say I am proud to admit we can rasise above and make it on our own.
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Lon wrote: I understand the animosity towards Bush and respect others rights to dislike and even hate him, but comparisons to Hitler are a real stretch and totally unfair and unreasonable. I am not a Bush fan my self. In the last U.S. election I did not like any of the candidates. It's hard to believe that was the best we could put up.
I agree with you and comparing him to Hitler is the worst. Some people just don't understand the power of words. Because they don't they think that they can get away with anything. Lay odds that you'll find some kind of bozo leftist calling him names. Maybe if they called him Napoleon?
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minks wrote: ahaha I meant decades ok your turn to poke me in the eye oops

But still I remain bitterly yours...

I am an Albertain through and through and have a tough time forgiving a lot of what the east has done to us and can only say I am proud to admit we can rasise above and make it on our own.


The East couldn't have done anything to you without the complicity of your politicians.

Met Trudeau a few times and I liked the man because you couldn't pull the wool over his eyes. Clark had pulled the wool over Westerners' eyes and was defeated. All Trudeau did was carry out what Clark was ready to do had he not been defeated.
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Lon wrote: I understand the animosity towards Bush and respect others rights to dislike and even hate him, but comparisons to Hitler are a real stretch and totally unfair and unreasonable. I am not a Bush fan my self. In the last U.S. election I did not like any of the candidates. It's hard to believe that was the best we could put up.
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Neither candidate during the last election cycle did anything for me.. What I found even more disturbing was the fact that I found the same kind of politician on the local level.. I wanted to vomit. The days of being a politician for the good of your constiuents is over. It has become big business.

And I really find the comparison of GW to Hitler amusing. The mudslingers that use that comparison never lived in Nazi Germany.. or Communist Russia. The liberties that they take for granted, including the right to make outrageous statements like that, would have led them to the camps or the gulag..
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I couldnt agree with you more. I have just met some of the most wonderful people, all from eastern block countries. They were happy to fill me in on some of the horrors of living under communism. A bulgarian, 2 lithuanians and a slovakian. A few years ago, we would never had been able to meet them. The west is FINALLY able to meet the east. Thats all down to the fall of communism.
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kensloft wrote: The East couldn't have done anything to you without the complicity of your politicians.

Met Trudeau a few times and I liked the man because you couldn't pull the wool over his eyes. Clark had pulled the wool over Westerners' eyes and was defeated. All Trudeau did was carry out what Clark was ready to do had he not been defeated.


OOOOOOOOOOOOO Ken Trudeau's NEP was a living hell for us westerners sorry but it truly was ugly.

Oh gawd I like very few political heads. I really do like our Ralph right now, but dont agree with all his policies but he is one of the few figures that actually got off his political ass and moved forward and did things he said he was going to do to better this province. No matter what he is admired for clearing up our debt, and pushing us further along in the 2000's. I guess being a born and bred redneck I like his redneck approach. Hmmmmm but hey it showed

P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S!

anyway I am not much of a political follower or debator so best quit now ahahahaha
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