war ..what is the point

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:09 am

young lion men sent to their slaughter by lambs in bunkers

please watch the video and read the end comments

YouTube - Green Fields of France Music Video

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:12 am

Here is another for you jimbo.

YouTube - Edwin Starr - WAR (live in TV Show)

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:13 am

all wars are civil wars for it is brother fighting brother .... that kinda hit home that one

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:16 am

YZGI;1163781 wrote: Here is another for you jimbo.

YouTube - Edwin Starr - WAR (live in TV Show)

a wise guy indeed ... a bit jackie chan but i get it

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:24 am

Youre worried about your little girl.

Enjoy just being proud for a little while.

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:31 am

Nomad;1163853 wrote: Youre worried about your little girl.

Enjoy just being proud for a little while.

i am very very proud but worried as all people with children in the army are ,i have carried one daughters coffin to her grave not something i want to do again nor is it something i would wish on my enimies ,my grandfather a wise man indeed used to say if you want peace you have to fight for it .. alas it is true but the thoughtof my daughter dying in some dust bowl for nothing ... is more upsetting to me than my mere words can convay to you

farmer giles · Post by **farmer giles** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:34 am

i know it would be no use whatso ever to say to the hitlers of this world er we dont want a war ,or to the japs in pearl harbour stop please but just why are we throwing our young troups lives away again i just dont get it

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:43 am

farmer giles;1163857 wrote: i am very very proud but worried as all people with children in the army are ,i have carried one daughters coffin to her grave not something i want to do again nor is it something i would wish on my enimies ,my grandfather a wise man indeed used to say if you want peace you have to fight for it .. alas it is true but the thoughtof my daughter dying in some dust bowl for nothing ... is more upsetting to me than my mere words can convay to you

Of course.

But you do love to worry right ?

Force your mind elsewhere before you become a tied up knot.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:14 pm

farmer giles;1163778 wrote: young lion men sent to their slaughter by lambs in bunkers

please watch the video and read the end comments

YouTube - Green Fields of France Music Video

And Tony slimeball Blair had the out and out gall to cite that as his favourite piece of poetry as he sent our troops off to war - couldn't even see the irony of it.

Eric Bogle was most put out to be described as a first world war Australian poet - given that he's a living Scottish singer and all that :wah:

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:20 pm

Just to add, have you come across Eric's other well known anti-war song?

YouTube - Eric Bogle - The Band Played Waltzing Matilda

For our Australian contingent, might I recommend and excellent concert coming up in Sidney :-

5th

2pm

Singing the Spirit Home

Refugee benefit concert featuring: Eric Bogle, Martyn Wyndham Read, While and Matthews, Colcannon, John Williamson, Judy Small & Graeme Connors

York Theatre - Seymor Centre

Sydney
NSW
online bookings

Phone: 02 9351 7940

I've seen the first four on the list and they are all magnificent

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:42 pm

farmer giles;1163863 wrote: i know it would be no use whatso ever to say to the hitlers of this world er we dont want a war ,or to the japs in pearl harbour stop please but just why are we throwing our young troups lives away again i just dont get it

In Flanders Fields

by John McCrae, May 1915

In Flanders fields the poppies blow

Between the crosses, row on row,

That mark our place; and in the sky

The larks, still bravely singing, fly

Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago

We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,

Loved and were loved, and now we lie

In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:

To you from failing hands we throw

The torch; be yours to hold it high.

If ye break faith with us who die

We shall not sleep,

though poppies grow

In Flanders fields.

laneybug · Post by **laneybug** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:06 pm

I hate to be the one to say it.... but....

War is going to be a useful for as long as humans disagree.

I believe in nonviolence. I believe in resolution. But I also believe in standing up and fighting.

"One can't fight the Devil by showing him God." Meaning, evil is not always overcome by simply showing love and kindness.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:14 pm

laneybug;1164111 wrote: I hate to be the one to say it.... but....

War is going to be a useful for as long as humans disagree.

I believe in nonviolence. I believe in resolution. But I also believe in standing up and fighting.

"One can't fight the Devil by showing him God." Meaning, evil is not always overcome by simply showing love and kindness. You've not hard of 'Sharia Law' then?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:23 pm

laneybug;1164111 wrote: I hate to be the one to say it.... but....

War is going to be a useful for as long as humans disagree.

I believe in nonviolence. I believe in resolution. But I also believe in standing up and fighting.

"One can't fight the Devil by showing him God." Meaning, evil is not always overcome by simply showing love and kindness.

Whatever it takes.

Im old school myself.

You ?

laneybug · Post by **laneybug** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:46 pm

oscar;1164119 wrote: You've not hard of 'Sharia Law' then?

Never looked into it in depth, no.

I want to amend that quote.

You may be able to show them God, but no guarantee they will bow.

or...

You may show the opponent the folly of their ways, but that doesn't mean they will simply drop their weapons.

Ourselves and the enemy are quite similar. It's almost funny. Ironic, really. Each side is saying, "what the hell is wrong with them?!"

laneybug · Post by **laneybug** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:48 pm

Nomad;1164125 wrote: Whatever it takes.

Im old school myself.

You ?

I'm for justice. If that includes peace, than great. Peace is a perfect state, though, and these are imperfect times.

Simply saying "we want peace" does not make any one person's mind or spirit or whatever more inclined to be peaceful.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:54 pm

laneybug;1164154 wrote: I'm for justice. If that includes peace, than great. Peace is a perfect state, though, and these are imperfect times.

Simply saying "we want peace" does not make any one person's mind or spirit or whatever more inclined to be peaceful.

Sure. But were talking weapons now. Whats your style ?

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:44 am

War unfortunately is part of the human condition. What the response is to what's the point of it, I don't have one, there is always some short-term reason for a war, sometimes it may make sense, sometimes not, but philosophically there is no point, but then there isn't much point to the human condition either, we just mill around and do what we do. Here is how a much more eloquent man thought about it.

To be, or not to be--that is the question:

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune

Or to take arms against a sea of troubles

And by opposing end them. To die, to sleep--

No more--and by a sleep to say we end

The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks

That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation

Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep--

To sleep--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,

For in that sleep of death what dreams may come

When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,

Must give us pause. There's the respect

That makes calamity of so long life.

For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,

Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely

The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,

The insolence of office, and the spurns

That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,

When he himself might his quietus make

With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,

To grunt and sweat under a weary life,

But that the dread of something after death,

The undiscovered country, from whose bourn

No traveller returns, puzzles the will,

And makes us rather bear those ills we have

Than fly to others that we know not of?

Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,

And thus the native hue of resolution

Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,

And enterprise of great pitch and moment

With this regard their currents turn awry

And lose the name of action. -- Soft you now,

The fair Ophelia! -- Nymph, in thy orisons

Be all my sins remembered.

Someone a lot cleverer than me put those words into Hamlet's mouth 450 years ago, seems like little has changed.

laneybug · Post by **laneybug** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:06 pm

Nomad;1164158 wrote: Sure. But were talking weapons now. Whats your style ?

Oh. Hehe. How silly of me to have missed that!

Hmmm.... I think a bow and arrow setup is wonderful. You can re-use the arrows. Reduce, reuse recycle, everyone!

But.... for real long distance, I've always been a fan of the sniper. A good unit isn't complete without one.