What is Intelligence?

[kazalala]

Is it how well educated you are? Is it your knowledge of History, Politics, Geography, the ability to spell?

I dont think i am very well educated, but i dont class myself as stupid, unintelligent, guillable, an idiot

I dont like it when people look down their noses at others who are maybe not as knowledgable as they are, even to the point they are genuinely annoyed at another person because of how "thick" they are. Why should another persons opinion or thoughts be less valuable because they cant articulate as well as someone else or because they dont know as much about a certain subject, what happens to respect of another person when this happens.

what do you think???

No qualifications neccesary to enter this thread:D:D

[Snowfire]

I'm glad no qualifications are neccessary, cos I dont have any.

Ihtelligence has nothing to do with knowledge.

The late Jade was pilloried over her inability to know Where East Angular was. That was because she was very badly educated. It was quite clear she wasnt stupid, quite bright in fact

An IQ test would show me to be of average to slightly above average intelligence but my education would show that its best to leave Coberst's threads well alone :wah:

[Carolly]

I heard you call me Kaz:D

[kazalala]

Snowfire;1174277 wrote: I'm glad no qualifications are neccessary, cos I dont have any.

Ihtelligence has nothing to do with knowledge.

The late Jade was pilloried over her inability to know Where East Angular was. That was because she was very badly educated. It was quite clear she wasnt stupid, quite bright in fact

An IQ test would show me to be of average to slightly above average intelligence but my education would show that its best to leave Coberst's threads well alone :wah:
you know its funny i did think about Jade while i was writing my opening post some people spoke about her as if she had committed a crime for being poorly educated:mad:

so if Intelligence has nothing to do with knowledge ( which i agree with by the way),,, then what is itwhat makes a person Intelligent ,,, common sense?

Carolly;1174278 wrote: I heard you call me Kaz:D


oh yes,,, even starters of loony threads are allowed in here:rolleyes::yh_rotfl

[farmer giles]

i cant read and write to well and to be honest my insane writings look like a few spiders fell into an ink well then got drunk and had a mass fight on my page yet in some ways i can be quite clever :sneaky::sneaky:

[Snowfire]

Commom sense I would think, is a good grounding for intelligence. Where does common sense come from ? Is it something we are born with or is it taught. We are all products of our surroundings and our upbringing and of our experiencesas we grow.

It may be a collection of all of these along with genes handed down from aour parents.

If we were never to be given any type of formal education and just learn from our experiences, we would show all the signs of being intelligent, just as first man did before the written word. He showed intelligence by developing, learning by his peers and experiences

[kazalala]

farmer giles;1174281 wrote: i cant read and write to well and to be honest my insane writings look like a few spiders fell into an ink well then got drunk and had a mass fight on my page yet in some ways i can be quite clever :sneaky::sneaky:


My son has bother with writing things down ,, not good when it comes to tests exams etc. ,,, it has made him have less confidence in what he can do and yet he is a qualified Joiner, and was a fireman in the RAF,,, he also has a few other skills and qualifications but is put off doing certain things if he thinks there will be a lot of theory work involved

of course you are quite clever:sneaky:but it wouldnt matter to me if you were not:)

[kazalala]

Snowfire;1174283 wrote: Commom sense I would think, is a good grounding for intelligence. Where does common sense come from ? Is it something we are born with or is it taught. We are all products of our surroundings and our upbringing and of our experiencesas we grow.

It may be a collection of all of these along with genes handed down from aour parents.

If we were never to be given any type of formal education and just learn from our experiences, we would show all the signs of being intelligent, just as first man did before the written word. He showed intelligence by developing, learning by his peers and experiences


i have known some quite " intelligent" people that have no common sense whatsoever,,, i wonder if its to do with utilising a totally different part of the brain

[Snowfire]

kazalala;1174291 wrote: i have known some quite " intelligent" people that have no common sense whatsoever,,, i wonder if its to do with utilising a totally different part of the brain


You've been watching The Apprentice havent you ? :wah: Yep complete lack of any common sense what so ever

[kazalala]

Snowfire;1174293 wrote: You've been watching The Apprentice havent you ? :wah: Yep complete lack of any common sense what so ever


:yh_rotflyes!! i do watch that show:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflomg it so shows what we are talking about does'nt it. I mean because they are well educated,, as in been to certain schools,,, acheived certain qualifications,,, have certain types of jobs,,, they are classed as worthy to compete for a job with Sir Alan, but i bet there are millions of people who could do just as good if not a better job and left school at 16 with only the basic exams to their namesad really innit:(

[Snowfire]

kazalala;1174294 wrote: :yh_rotflyes!! i do watch that show:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflomg it so shows what we are talking about does'nt it. I mean because they are well educated,, as in been to certain schools,,, acheived certain qualifications,,, have certain types of jobs,,, they are classed as worthy to compete for a job with Sir Alan, but i bet there are millions of people who could do just as good if not a better job and left school at 16 with only the basic exams to their namesad really innit:(


For my two penn'orth, It seems to me they lack any man managment skills at all. None of them can deal with any or each of the others. A fundemantal skill I would have thought. I wouldnt know how to sell so I'd make a lousy salesman. Dont like the process.

It does all make you cringe when watching these future Captains of Industry

[kazalala]

Snowfire;1174298 wrote: For my two penn'orth, It seems to me they lack any man managment skills at all. None of them can deal with any or each of the others. A fundemantal skill I would have thought. I wouldnt know how to sell so I'd make a lousy salesman. Dont like the process.

It does all make you cringe when watching these future Captains of Industry


I have been in sales and i did'nt like it,,, it gets boring ,, well it did for me:wah:

yes it does make you cringe:rolleyes:

[Odie]

kazalala;1174275 wrote: Is it how well educated you are? Is it your knowledge of History, Politics, Geography, the ability to spell?

I dont think i am very well educated, but i dont class myself as stupid, unintelligent, guillable, an idiot

I dont like it when people look down their noses at others who are maybe not as knowledgable as they are, even to the point they are genuinely annoyed at another person because of how "thick" they are. Why should another persons opinion or thoughts be less valuable because they cant articulate as well as someone else or because they dont know as much about a certain subject, what happens to respect of another person when this happens.

what do you think???

No qualifications neccesary to enter this thread:D:D




its both, I should know, I am both!:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

[along-for-the-ride]

There's intelligence. There's common sense. There's talent. And there's wisdom from experience.

I don't come to the Forum to see how smart we all can be. Though, I do learn some things from other members. To me, you all have gifts to bring here. Just being here and posting your thoughts and experiences and information is a gift to me. And I thank you.

Although he is a valuable member of the Forum, I tend to avoid cobersts threads as well. :wah:

[Lon]

kazalala;1174275 wrote: Is it how well educated you are? Is it your knowledge of History, Politics, Geography, the ability to spell?



I dont think i am very well educated, but i dont class myself as stupid, unintelligent, guillable, an idiot



I dont like it when people look down their noses at others who are maybe not as knowledgable as they are, even to the point they are genuinely annoyed at another person because of how "thick" they are. Why should another persons opinion or thoughts be less valuable because they cant articulate as well as someone else or because they dont know as much about a certain subject, what happens to respect of another person when this happens.



what do you think???



No qualifications neccesary to enter this thread:D:D


One thing for sure, intelligence has nothing to do with common sense or the ability to make the right choice at the right time. It also does not guarantee success in a career or in love.

[Omni_Skittles]

kazalala;1174275 wrote: Is it how well educated you are? Is it your knowledge of History, Politics, Geography, the ability to spell?

I dont think i am very well educated, but i dont class myself as stupid, unintelligent, guillable, an idiot

I dont like it when people look down their noses at others who are maybe not as knowledgable as they are, even to the point they are genuinely annoyed at another person because of how "thick" they are. Why should another persons opinion or thoughts be less valuable because they cant articulate as well as someone else or because they dont know as much about a certain subject, what happens to respect of another person when this happens.

what do you think???

No qualifications neccesary to enter this thread:D:DIf the person wishes to talk about a subject, I'd hope it be one the person actually knew something about. I mean, I've noticed sometimes i have opinions about things i don't really know anything about... and, my opinions i think would be taken more serious had i actually studied the subject, taken the time to form an opinion instead of just blabbering my mouth off... sometimes though, you can get away with that... but i think it's only fair that a person be told to shut up or something if that person hadn't even taken the time to learn something about the subject at hand.

[Peg]

kazalala;1174275 wrote: Is it how well educated you are? Is it your knowledge of History, Politics, Geography, the ability to spell?

I dont think i am very well educated, but i dont class myself as stupid, unintelligent, guillable, an idiot

I dont like it when people look down their noses at others who are maybe not as knowledgable as they are, even to the point they are genuinely annoyed at another person because of how "thick" they are. Why should another persons opinion or thoughts be less valuable because they cant articulate as well as someone else or because they dont know as much about a certain subject, what happens to respect of another person when this happens.

what do you think???

No qualifications neccesary to enter this thread:D:D


I think a truly intelligent person doesn't have to constantly try to prove their intelligence by using big words, or getting annoyed at others for being thick.

[BTS]

Lon;1174374 wrote: One thing for sure, intelligence has nothing to do with common sense or the ability to make the right choice at the right time. It also does not guarantee success in a career or in love.


Coming from the construction end of the spectrum........ I have seen the smartest college edja-macated people try to learn to frame/build/construct and some never, ever, figure out what side if the nail they were to drive or what the next step was (even after 10 times) because they had no common sense.... On the other hand some of the best learners I ever have taught were educated and had common sense BOTH....... Usally I just had to settle for common sense though........ And if they had some intelligence with common sense they had a chance.

[BTS]

Omni_Skittles;1174378 wrote: If the person wishes to talk about a subject, I'd hope it be one the person actually knew something about. I mean, I've noticed sometimes i have opinions about things i don't really know anything about... and, my opinions i think would be taken more serious had i actually studied the subject, taken the time to form an opinion instead of just blabbering my mouth off... sometimes though, you can get away with that... but i think it's only fair that a person be told to shut up or something if that person hadn't even taken the time to learn something about the subject at hand.


"If you don't know, ask. You will be a fool for the moment, but a wise man for the rest of your life."

Seneca

[BTS]

Snowfire;1174293 wrote: You've been watching The Apprentice havent you ? :wah: Yep complete lack of any common sense what so ever


OMG....................So you guys have that show too.......:wah:



Ours has turned into the celebrity apprentice with Donald Trump.......INC

[Lon]

BTS;1174406 wrote: Coming from the construction end of the spectrum........ I have seen the smartest college edja-macated people try to learn to frame/build/construct and some never, ever, figure out what side if the nail they were to drive or what the next step was (even after 10 times) because they had no common sense.... On the other hand some of the best learners I ever have taught were educated and had common sense BOTH....... Usally I just had to settle for common sense though........ And if they had some intelligence with common sense they had a chance.




Intelligence has nothing to do with a degree from any university or college. The exception might be in physics, engineering, economics, mathematics.

[BTS]

Lon;1174414 wrote: Intelligence has nothing to do with a degree from any university or college. The exception might be in physics, engineering, economics, mathematics.


Lon,

I agree..........However if you are going to "make a hand" you best have some intelligence along with common sense. I have argued with many engineers that say 'well it works on paper" but their lack of common sense clouds the fact that it can't be done in the REAL world.........

A GOOD engineer is one that has intelligence + common sense......IMO

[Snowfire]

BTS;1174417 wrote: Lon,

I agree..........However if you are going to "make a hand" you best have some intelligence along with common sense. I have argued with many engineers that say 'well it works on paper" but their lack of common sense clouds the fact that it can't be done in the REAL world.........

A GOOD engineer is one that has intelligence + common sense......IMO


I've had that same arguement with architects

[Clodhopper]

I think there are many different types of intelligence, far more than we currently recognise. Academic intelligence just covers one set of areas involving the manipulation of abstract concepts. Social skills might well be classed as a form of intelligence, maybe Arts and Crafts as another - seems to me watching a really good chippy at work is no different to watching an artist wield his or her brush.

Education simply trains intelligence, the way an athlete trains by exercise.

[kazalala]

along-for-the-ride;1174357 wrote: There's intelligence. There's common sense. There's talent. And there's wisdom from experience.

I don't come to the Forum to see how smart we all can be. Though, I do learn some things from other members. To me, you all have gifts to bring here. Just being here and posting your thoughts and experiences and information is a gift to me. And I thank you.

Although he is a valuable member of the Forum, I tend to avoid cobersts threads as well. :wah:


Thanks AFTR,, i too am learning all the time:) sometimes i dont know how to say it , but im asking questions not because i disagree, but merely because i am genuinely interested, either in the subject or in that persons viewpoint.

Lon;1174374 wrote: One thing for sure, intelligence has nothing to do with common sense or the ability to make the right choice at the right time. It also does not guarantee success in a career or in love.
Ok Lon,,, so what does it have to do with?:)

Peg;1174385 wrote: I think a truly intelligent person doesn't have to constantly try to prove their intelligence by using big words, or getting annoyed at others for being thick.
Very well said Peg;)

BTS;1174409 wrote: "If you don't know, ask. You will be a fool for the moment, but a wise man for the rest of your life."

Seneca
I love that!



Clodhopper;1174469 wrote: I think there are many different types of intelligence, far more than we currently recognise. Academic intelligence just covers one set of areas involving the manipulation of abstract concepts. Social skills might well be classed as a form of intelligence, maybe Arts and Crafts as another - seems to me watching a really good chippy at work is no different to watching an artist wield his or her brush.

Education simply trains intelligence, the way an athlete trains by exercise.


Another good post.. i like the way you put that ,, education training your intelligence

[kazalala]

Omni_Skittles;1174378 wrote: If the person wishes to talk about a subject, I'd hope it be one the person actually knew something about. I mean, I've noticed sometimes i have opinions about things i don't really know anything about... and, my opinions i think would be taken more serious had i actually studied the subject, taken the time to form an opinion instead of just blabbering my mouth off... sometimes though, you can get away with that... but i think it's only fair that a person be told to shut up or something if that person hadn't even taken the time to learn something about the subject at hand.


I dunno Skittles,,, sometimes ..especially on a forum, you read a thread that interests you ,, youi have a thought and voice it.. yes you may not know much or in fact anything about the subject,,, but you were interested and wanted to voice your impulsive opinion. Whats wrong with that? I have seen you jump in sometimes and then be shot down skittles,,, spoke to quite sharply and badly in my opinion just because you are young or didnt really know enough about the subject, I think that is unfair to you. So what if you didnt know what you were talking about,, there was no malice or spite in your remarks so no one has a right to tell you to shut up! they could have just shook their heads,, kept their thoughts to themselves and politely answered you,,, after all that way you may have a chance at learning about stuff you show an interest in. Being intelligent or knowledgable does not entitle you to be plain rude to people:) You are a caring, funny, sensible(yes you are), and polite young girl,, you deserve the same respect back as you give out,, and that is a lot:D

[qsducks]

along-for-the-ride;1174357 wrote: There's intelligence. There's common sense. There's talent. And there's wisdom from experience.

I don't come to the Forum to see how smart we all can be. Though, I do learn some things from other members. To me, you all have gifts to bring here. Just being here and posting your thoughts and experiences and information is a gift to me. And I thank you.

Although he is a valuable member of the Forum, I tend to avoid cobersts threads as well. :wah:


Well said AFTR...I also avoid Coberts threads.:-5

[Nomad]

You're barking up the wrong tree

If I make it through the day without smashing my head into something

stepping in dog poop

or not burning the house down

Im a pretty happy camper

[kazalala]

Nomad;1174568 wrote: You're barking up the wrong tree

If I make it through the day without smashing my head into something

stepping in dog poop

or not burning the house down

Im a pretty happy camper


:DIf lifes not about being happy then what is it about:D

[qsducks]

Snowfire;1174458 wrote: I've had that same arguement with architects


Just said to hubs yesterday "who designs these mega mansions and your fam disappears".

[farmer giles]

qsducks;1174554 wrote: Well said AFTR...I also avoid Coberts threads.:-5


strange that i'm probably the biggest moron ever to darken FG'S door but i really love corbusts threads

oh well you say patatoes i say in their jackets

[qsducks]

farmer giles;1174586 wrote: strange that i'm probably the biggest moron ever to darken FG'S door but i really love corbusts threads

oh well you say patatoes i say in their jackets


Tomatoes, toms...whatever:yh_rotfl

[Nomad]

kazalala;1174579 wrote: :DIf lifes not about being happy then what is it about:D






not stepping in dog poop




Still sometimes I wonder if I should have loftier goals

[Lon]

People that belong to MENSA have IQ'S that are in the top 2% of the population. There are a number of IQ tests that can be used to join MENSA, but the test that MENSA uses is the most acceptable. MENSA currently has 100,000 members internationally.



Mensa Information

[farmer giles]

qsducks;1174592 wrote: Tomatoes, toms...whatever:yh_rotfl


plum toms

i really like the thought provoking threads coburst starts i really think about what he is saying and more often than not i get it

the trouble is i'm too much of a dumbass to reply so the poor fella must think no one likes his posts but i do

[kazalala]

farmer giles;1174599 wrote: plum toms

i really like the thought provoking threads coburst starts i really think about what he is saying and more often than not i get it

the trouble is i'm too much of a dumbass to reply so the poor fella must think no one likes his posts but i do


sometimes you can totally understand something, and know exactly what you feel about it and what you want to say about it,, but just cant really find a way to write it down well i do that sometimes anyway:yh_rotfl

[Nomad]

farmer giles;1174599 wrote: plum toms



i really like the thought provoking threads coburst starts i really think about what he is saying and more often than not i get it



the trouble is i'm too much of a dumbass to reply so the poor fella must think no one likes his posts but i do


Ive attempted replying a couple of times. Usually 2 sentences that upon later review made me realize Im in the yard mole family then spent the rest of the day cursing myself because it was too late to delete.

[farmer giles]

Lon;1174598 wrote: People that belong to MENSA have IQ'S that are in the top 2% of the population. There are a number of IQ tests that can be used to join MENSA, but the test that MENSA uses is the most acceptable. MENSA currently has 100,000 members internationally.



Mensa Information


i'm a member of DENSA:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

i actually worked for a scientist fixing his guttering ,i could not get the guy to understand how a gutter clip attached the guttering to the fascia ,even by screwing the clip to a piece of wood and then fixing the guttering to it ,on the garden table right in front of him even a two year old would of got it :-5:-5:-5 after wasting half an hour i gave up and explained it to his wife who understood in an instant

all that brain power and i don't think he could of tied a shoe lace :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Clodhopper]

People that belong to MENSA have IQ'S that are in the top 2% of the population. There are a number of IQ tests that can be used to join MENSA, but the test that MENSA uses is the most acceptable. MENSA currently has 100,000 members internationally.


If you have to prove it you haven't really got it.

[farmer giles]

Nomad;1174613 wrote: Ive attempted replying a couple of times. Usually 2 sentences that upon later review made me realize Im in the yard mole family then spent the rest of the day cursing myself because it was too late to delete.


so have i:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

[qsducks]

farmer giles;1174621 wrote: i'm a member of DENSA:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

i actually worked for a scientist fixing his guttering ,i could not get the guy to understand how a gutter clip attached the guttering to the fascia ,even by screwing the clip to a piece of wood and then fixing the guttering to it ,on the garden table right in front of him even a two year old would of got it :-5:-5:-5 after wasting half an hour i gave up and explained it to his wife who understood in an instant

all that brain power and i don't think he could of tied a shoe lace :rolleyes::rolleyes:


:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl And what did his wife see in him? If he can't tie his shoe laces, he probs can't manage a cell phone either.:wah:

[qsducks]

Lon;1174598 wrote: People that belong to MENSA have IQ'S that are in the top 2% of the population. There are a number of IQ tests that can be used to join MENSA, but the test that MENSA uses is the most acceptable. MENSA currently has 100,000 members internationally.



Mensa Information


I'm a resident of PENSA of the US.:wah:

[farmer giles]

qsducks;1174628 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl And what did his wife see in him? If he can't tie his shoe laces, he probs can't manage a cell phone either.:wah:


probably the £5 million pound house in Esher surrey .. i mean she is not stupid he is :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

[qsducks]

farmer giles;1174634 wrote: probably the £5 million pound house in Esher surrey .. i mean she is not stupid he is :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl


That's obs:yh_rotfl. Probs can't dress himself either.:yh_rotfl

[Omni_Skittles]

kazalala;1174525 wrote: I dunno Skittles,,, sometimes ..especially on a forum, you read a thread that interests you ,, youi have a thought and voice it.. yes you may not know much or in fact anything about the subject,,, but you were interested and wanted to voice your impulsive opinion. Whats wrong with that? I have seen you jump in sometimes and then be shot down skittles,,, spoke to quite sharply and badly in my opinion just because you are young or didnt really know enough about the subject, I think that is unfair to you. So what if you didnt know what you were talking about,, there was no malice or spite in your remarks so no one has a right to tell you to shut up! they could have just shook their heads,, kept their thoughts to themselves and politely answered you,,, after all that way you may have a chance at learning about stuff you show an interest in. Being intelligent or knowledgable does not entitle you to be plain rude to people:) You are a caring, funny, sensible(yes you are), and polite young girl,, you deserve the same respect back as you give out,, and that is a lot:Dyea, but i don't take it as that... more like constructive criticism... I learn from people older then me... sometimes i know they are full of crap and other people i have learned to trust what they're saying... I'm young, but not stupid... just always learning :yh_rotfl

[qsducks]

Omni_Skittles;1174683 wrote: yea, but i don't take it as that... more like constructive criticism... I learn from people older then me... sometimes i know they are full of crap and other people i have learned to trust what they're saying... I'm young, but not stupid... just always learning :yh_rotfl


And that's good OS. You're learning to use the old noggin. Your maturing which is the main point.

[YZGI]

I know if I hang around with dumb people that it tends to make me more intelligent. I am always making sure to read all of Jimbo and Nomads posts. Heh heh.:sneaky:

[Lon]

Posters intelligence or lack thereof has been demonstrated by some of the responses to this initial post (What is intelligence?)

[kazalala]

Omni_Skittles;1174683 wrote: yea, but i don't take it as that... more like constructive criticism... I learn from people older then me... sometimes i know they are full of crap and other people i have learned to trust what they're saying... I'm young, but not stupid... just always learning :yh_rotfl


I Know:) all im saying is there is no need for anyone to be rude to you, after all you are not rude to other people:)constructive criticism is fine:D

[kazalala]

Lon;1174738 wrote: Posters intelligence or lack thereof has been demonstrated by some of the responses to this initial post (What is intelligence?)


I wasnt aiming to find out who has intelligence, or not,, I was just wondering and wanted some views:)Also i wasnt even talking about here on FG particularly