£2,000 "gift" to scrap your 10-year-old car and buy another, under the guise of "Environmentalism".
What piffle.
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Sorry no one is going to scrap my 1973 Camaro of which I'm the original owner. They can keep their money I will keep my car. :driving:
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Environmentalism?! It was for the motor companies. You can buy any vehicle to qualify as long as it's a new one and yours is over 10 years old.
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OpenMind;1178927 wrote: Environmentalism?! It was for the motor companies. You can buy any vehicle to qualify as long as it's a new one and yours is over 10 years old. I bought a new car today :-6:-6:-6 They are doing a service and i pick it up friday. British of course !!!
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I just scrapped my daughter's 1994 Ford Escort which was involved in a bad accident...she survived btw with a bump on the forehead...the car wasn't so lucky. We didn't receive squat for it...:-5
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qsducks;1178961 wrote: I just scrapped my daughter's 1994 Ford Escort which was involved in a bad accident...she survived btw with a bump on the forehead...the car wasn't so lucky. We didn't receive squat for it...:-5 That's bad luck but your daughter was safe....... that's the main thing.
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oscar;1178980 wrote: That's bad luck but your daughter was safe....... that's the main thing.
She says white cars are bad luck:wah:
She says white cars are bad luck:wah:
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qsducks;1178983 wrote: She says white cars are bad luck:wah: I got a spare white one now :wah:
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qsducks;1178961 wrote: I just scrapped my daughter's 1994 Ford Escort which was involved in a bad accident...she survived btw with a bump on the forehead...the car wasn't so lucky. We didn't receive squat for it...:-5
Glad your daughter's ok.:-6
Glad your daughter's ok.:-6
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I have a 9 yr old car with 46,000 miles on the clock. What a terrrible waste to scrap it......and I still couldn't afford a new one even with a 2 grand discount.
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oscar;1178942 wrote: I bought a new car today :-6:-6:-6 They are doing a service and i pick it up friday. British of course !!!
Hate to tell you this but it's assembled in either spain or germany. If you want a mass market car actually made in the UK go for a nissan or a toyota or peugeot.
Hate to tell you this but it's assembled in either spain or germany. If you want a mass market car actually made in the UK go for a nissan or a toyota or peugeot.
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gmc;1179118 wrote: Hate to tell you this but it's assembled in either spain or germany. If you want a mass market car actually made in the UK go for a nissan or a toyota or peugeot.
True but i've had Nissan's, Toyota's and Peugeot's in the past and getting parts is like tring to find a wooly mammoth.
Anyway i had to have this one..... the last two letters of the reg are 'JU' :wah:
True but i've had Nissan's, Toyota's and Peugeot's in the past and getting parts is like tring to find a wooly mammoth.
Anyway i had to have this one..... the last two letters of the reg are 'JU' :wah:
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oscar;1179158 wrote: True but i've had Nissan's, Toyota's and Peugeot's in the past and getting parts is like tring to find a wooly mammoth.
Anyway i had to have this one..... the last two letters of the reg are 'JU' :wah:
Get a magnet with your name on the back and slap it on the back of your new car. I've got 3 on mine.:wah:
Anyway i had to have this one..... the last two letters of the reg are 'JU' :wah:
Get a magnet with your name on the back and slap it on the back of your new car. I've got 3 on mine.:wah:
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qsducks;1179191 wrote: Get a magnet with your name on the back and slap it on the back of your new car. I've got 3 on mine.:wah: :wah: I just rang the dealer. It's all done and ready for me to pick up tomorrow. Can't wait. Mr O bought my last car and the reg number was GAY..... could have killed him. 
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oscar;1179198 wrote: :wah: I just rang the dealer. It's all done and ready for me to pick up tomorrow. Can't wait. Mr O bought my last car and the reg number was GAY..... could have killed him.
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl...we used to have a minivan and the license plate on the back...the first 3 letters were EWY:wah::-5.....my first truck was ACE
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl...we used to have a minivan and the license plate on the back...the first 3 letters were EWY:wah::-5.....my first truck was ACE
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oscar;1178942 wrote: I bought a new car today :-6:-6:-6 They are doing a service and i pick it up friday. British of course !!!
Where is Peter Lake ?
Did you sell him to buy a car ?
You can tell me its ok.
Where is Peter Lake ?
Did you sell him to buy a car ?
You can tell me its ok.
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Nomad;1179918 wrote: Where is Peter Lake ?
Did you sell him to buy a car ?
You can tell me its ok.
Peter Lake is in hospital for a few days and they are doing devious scientific experiments on him. They are quite baffled by him at the moment and have had to sedate him heavilly after him trying to escape.
Now, how do i sell a car with a reg plate that says 'GAY'?
Did you sell him to buy a car ?
You can tell me its ok.
Peter Lake is in hospital for a few days and they are doing devious scientific experiments on him. They are quite baffled by him at the moment and have had to sedate him heavilly after him trying to escape.
Now, how do i sell a car with a reg plate that says 'GAY'?
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Bill Sikes;1178703 wrote: £2,000 "gift" to scrap your 10-year-old car and buy another, under the guise of "Environmentalism".
What piffle. When i went to get my new car yesterday, i did have a long chat with them about the effect this scrap scheme will have on them. Although my father after the war was a 'Rover' dealer all his life, i couldn't understand what they were talking about to be honest but they said it was a load of rubbish. Something about if these cars are scrapped, then people who look for cars at the very bottom end due to lack of money will not have any to buy and there-fore hang on to their older cars longer. Does that make sense? Only my eyes glaze over in boredom at car speak once we've got past the quality of the cd player and the colour.
What piffle. When i went to get my new car yesterday, i did have a long chat with them about the effect this scrap scheme will have on them. Although my father after the war was a 'Rover' dealer all his life, i couldn't understand what they were talking about to be honest but they said it was a load of rubbish. Something about if these cars are scrapped, then people who look for cars at the very bottom end due to lack of money will not have any to buy and there-fore hang on to their older cars longer. Does that make sense? Only my eyes glaze over in boredom at car speak once we've got past the quality of the cd player and the colour.
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oscar;1179954 wrote: When i went to get my new car yesterday, i did have a long chat with them about the effect this scrap scheme will have on them. Although my father after the war was a 'Rover' dealer all his life, i couldn't understand what they were talking about to be honest but they said it was a load of rubbish. Something about if these cars are scrapped, then people who look for cars at the very bottom end due to lack of money will not have any to buy and there-fore hang on to their older cars longer. Does that make sense? Only my eyes glaze over in boredom at car speak once we've got past the quality of the cd player and the colour.
It does make sense. There are a lot of cars 10 years old or more tht are perfectly OK as runabouts My car is eight years old with 125,000 on it. As a trade in it's worth less than £2,000 so I'm as well to hang on to it now till it's ten years old. Why buy a new car when I don't have to? Then only time I've bought a new car (well p[re-registered anyway) was to get my hands on a low mileage diesel
The people most affected by the rise in car tax etc are those who buy bigger older cars because they have families and need the space-all those old MPV's you see around if you have a company car and lots of money it's not going to stop you buying gas guzzlers. He would have been better to put extra tax on gas guzzling NEW cars rather than hit people with older cars bought because they can't afford a new one and before they knew the road tax was going to go up. Higher road tax, higher fuel the ones he's pricing off the road are ordinary people with ordinary incomes-meanwhile public transport is crap so you have to have a car to get to work.
It does make sense. There are a lot of cars 10 years old or more tht are perfectly OK as runabouts My car is eight years old with 125,000 on it. As a trade in it's worth less than £2,000 so I'm as well to hang on to it now till it's ten years old. Why buy a new car when I don't have to? Then only time I've bought a new car (well p[re-registered anyway) was to get my hands on a low mileage diesel
The people most affected by the rise in car tax etc are those who buy bigger older cars because they have families and need the space-all those old MPV's you see around if you have a company car and lots of money it's not going to stop you buying gas guzzlers. He would have been better to put extra tax on gas guzzling NEW cars rather than hit people with older cars bought because they can't afford a new one and before they knew the road tax was going to go up. Higher road tax, higher fuel the ones he's pricing off the road are ordinary people with ordinary incomes-meanwhile public transport is crap so you have to have a car to get to work.
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oscar;1179954 wrote: When i went to get my new car yesterday, i did have a long chat with them about the effect this scrap scheme will have on them. Although my father after the war was a 'Rover' dealer all his life, i couldn't understand what they were talking about to be honest but they said it was a load of rubbish. Something about if these cars are scrapped, then people who look for cars at the very bottom end due to lack of money will not have any to buy and there-fore hang on to their older cars longer. Does that make sense? Only my eyes glaze over in boredom at car speak once we've got past the quality of the cd player and the colour.
Just to add to the bollocks of it all, the tax on older air-choking, smog-creating cars is cheaper than on new 'breathe through the nose smog free' cars. It makes you wonder why our leaders aren't required to have a leadership qualification.
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Just to add to the bollocks of it all, the tax on older air-choking, smog-creating cars is cheaper than on new 'breathe through the nose smog free' cars. It makes you wonder why our leaders aren't required to have a leadership qualification.
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OpenMind;1179969 wrote: Just to add to the bollocks of it all, the tax on older air-choking, smog-creating cars is cheaper than on new 'breathe through the nose smog free' cars.
Older cars (within limits) are not necessarily much more polluting - certainly in the 10-year age range we're talking about. The problem they're supposedly addressing is not "smog" - it's CO2. There's a direct relationship between MPG and CO2 emissions. MPG has not improved very greatly in 10 years.
For a quick reduction in CO2 emissions - get rid of the requirement to fit catalytic converters. There would also be beneficial reductions in manufacturing emissions from the production of these useless things. Also, drop the road tax for high-MPG cars - say, at the moment, those giving better than 55MPG combined - and jack it up on ones giving fewer MPG - say £1000 per annum for those doing fewer than 18 MPG combined.
Older cars (within limits) are not necessarily much more polluting - certainly in the 10-year age range we're talking about. The problem they're supposedly addressing is not "smog" - it's CO2. There's a direct relationship between MPG and CO2 emissions. MPG has not improved very greatly in 10 years.
For a quick reduction in CO2 emissions - get rid of the requirement to fit catalytic converters. There would also be beneficial reductions in manufacturing emissions from the production of these useless things. Also, drop the road tax for high-MPG cars - say, at the moment, those giving better than 55MPG combined - and jack it up on ones giving fewer MPG - say £1000 per annum for those doing fewer than 18 MPG combined.
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Bill Sikes;1179977 wrote: Older cars (within limits) are not necessarily much more polluting - certainly in the 10-year age range we're talking about. The problem they're supposedly addressing is not "smog" - it's CO2. There's a direct relationship between MPG and CO2 emissions. MPG has not improved very greatly in 10 years.
For a quick reduction in CO2 emissions - get rid of the requirement to fit catalytic converters. There would also be beneficial reductions in manufacturing emissions from the production of these useless things. Also, drop the road tax for high-MPG cars - say, at the moment, those giving better than 55MPG combined - and jack it up on ones giving fewer MPG - say £1000 per annum for those doing fewer than 18 MPG combined.
Yeah that seems to make more sense than taxing the car according to engine capacity. However what you're asking politicians to do is to make decisions based on logic and common sense. Thats something they've never been able to do
For a quick reduction in CO2 emissions - get rid of the requirement to fit catalytic converters. There would also be beneficial reductions in manufacturing emissions from the production of these useless things. Also, drop the road tax for high-MPG cars - say, at the moment, those giving better than 55MPG combined - and jack it up on ones giving fewer MPG - say £1000 per annum for those doing fewer than 18 MPG combined.
Yeah that seems to make more sense than taxing the car according to engine capacity. However what you're asking politicians to do is to make decisions based on logic and common sense. Thats something they've never been able to do
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OpenMind;1179969 wrote: Just to add to the bollocks of it all, the tax on older air-choking, smog-creating cars is cheaper than on new 'breathe through the nose smog free' cars. It makes you wonder why our leaders aren't required to have a leadership qualification.
Where is Spot?:-3 Excuse me for being thick here for a moment but surely if people who can only afford lower end of the market cars hang onto them longer..... they will eventually run out of lower end of the market cars???? Then dodgy dealers will put their prices up on old bangers to cash in creating a far worse problem? Then what happens when the car some-one's held onto longer finally packs up and there are no cheap cars for that owner to buy as a replacement?
Didn't think it through did he? :-3:-3
Where is Spot?:-3 Excuse me for being thick here for a moment but surely if people who can only afford lower end of the market cars hang onto them longer..... they will eventually run out of lower end of the market cars???? Then dodgy dealers will put their prices up on old bangers to cash in creating a far worse problem? Then what happens when the car some-one's held onto longer finally packs up and there are no cheap cars for that owner to buy as a replacement?
Didn't think it through did he? :-3:-3
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oscar;1180009 wrote: Excuse me for being thick here for a moment but surely if people who can only afford lower end of the market cars hang onto them longer..... they will eventually run out of lower end of the market cars???? Then dodgy dealers will put their prices up on old bangers to cash in creating a far worse problem? Then what happens when the car some-one's held onto longer finally packs up and there are no cheap cars for that owner to buy as a replacement?
Didn't think it through did he? :-3:-3
I'll be lucky if I can afford to buy more string to hold my old one together with never mind afford a another car.:yh_rotfl
Didn't think it through did he? :-3:-3
I'll be lucky if I can afford to buy more string to hold my old one together with never mind afford a another car.:yh_rotfl
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OpenMind;1180026 wrote: I'll be lucky if I can afford to buy more string to hold my old one together with never mind afford a another car.:yh_rotfl It's a shame as there are some good deals around at the moment. I got a new car out of nessessity..... I was taking my life in my hands on the motor-way. Also, with the addition of puppy Rosie, the doggie seatbelts are useless, they can wriggle out of them in minutes. I end up with one on the dash and one in my lap, that's if they are not already having a fight in the back. I had to get an estate to shut the buggers behind a guard in the back. Ahh peace at last. :wah:
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oscar;1180185 wrote: It's a shame as there are some good deals around at the moment. I got a new car out of nessessity..... I was taking my life in my hands on the motor-way. Also, with the addition of puppy Rosie, the doggie seatbelts are useless, they can wriggle out of them in minutes. I end up with one on the dash and one in my lap, that's if they are not already having a fight in the back. I had to get an estate to shut the buggers behind a guard in the back. Ahh peace at last. :wah:
Yes. I can see how that must have been a bit awkward for safe driving.
Yes. I can see how that must have been a bit awkward for safe driving.
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The question is, is it more enviromentaly friendly to keep a vehicle running longer against the resources required to manufacture a new vehicle????
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cogob;1182186 wrote: The question is, is it more enviromentaly friendly to keep a vehicle running longer against the resources required to manufacture a new vehicle????
No it's not and there are a lot of car on the road worth less than £2,000-mine for instance but it's less than ten years old. What price some teenagers first car now? It's will mean that those who used to be able to at least buy a car will find it harder as the minimum price will be £2,000.
No it's not and there are a lot of car on the road worth less than £2,000-mine for instance but it's less than ten years old. What price some teenagers first car now? It's will mean that those who used to be able to at least buy a car will find it harder as the minimum price will be £2,000.
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cogob;1182186 wrote: The question is, is it more enviromentaly friendly to keep a vehicle running longer against the resources required to manufacture a new vehicle????
It depends on what the fuel consumption of it is compared to that of the putative replacement. If they're the same, then obviously keeping the current vehicle running is better.
It depends on what the fuel consumption of it is compared to that of the putative replacement. If they're the same, then obviously keeping the current vehicle running is better.
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If the government has any serious intention of helping the motorist and to be environmental, then surely they should be looking to encouraging and subsidising the development and manufacture of hydrogen fuel cells, rather than electric batteries.
Hydrogen fuel cell cars are expensive at the moment and while hydrogen is plentyful, it takes a bit of effort and technology to "capture" it - though no more so than oil. It contribute zero emmision polution. Water being the only thing that comes from the exhaust.
This could be the future of motoring
Hydrogen fuel cell cars are expensive at the moment and while hydrogen is plentyful, it takes a bit of effort and technology to "capture" it - though no more so than oil. It contribute zero emmision polution. Water being the only thing that comes from the exhaust.
This could be the future of motoring
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Snowfire;1182240 wrote: Hydrogen fuel cell cars ... could be the future of motoring
Bottom of page 129 and onwards of:
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sust ... ex/cft.pdf
Also praise for the Tesla Roadster, over a thing called a "G-Wiz" (p.127).
Quite an interesting read!
Bottom of page 129 and onwards of:
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sust ... ex/cft.pdf
Also praise for the Tesla Roadster, over a thing called a "G-Wiz" (p.127).
Quite an interesting read!
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Bill Sikes;1182246 wrote: Bottom of page 129 and onwards of:
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sust ... ex/cft.pdf
Also praise for the Tesla Roadster, over a thing called a "G-Wiz" (p.127).
Quite an interesting read!
That is interesting. I'll find more time to read that all.
Its interesting that the author seems to dismiss the hydrogen fuel cell as being "so far behind in the race" There is still a lot of development to be done to extract the hydrogen for its use. Once that is achieved then surely the hydrogen is so plentyful and so enviromentally sound that it shouldnt be dismissed so easily.
The problem of electric cars is that fossil fuels are still being burnt to power up the batteries. then there's the question of why they make them so damned ugly ( G-Whiz )
I've long been dismissive of the hybrid Prius bandwagon that celebrities seem so fond of jumping on
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sust ... ex/cft.pdf
Also praise for the Tesla Roadster, over a thing called a "G-Wiz" (p.127).
Quite an interesting read!
That is interesting. I'll find more time to read that all.
Its interesting that the author seems to dismiss the hydrogen fuel cell as being "so far behind in the race" There is still a lot of development to be done to extract the hydrogen for its use. Once that is achieved then surely the hydrogen is so plentyful and so enviromentally sound that it shouldnt be dismissed so easily.
The problem of electric cars is that fossil fuels are still being burnt to power up the batteries. then there's the question of why they make them so damned ugly ( G-Whiz )
I've long been dismissive of the hybrid Prius bandwagon that celebrities seem so fond of jumping on
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Snowfire;1182251 wrote: That is interesting. I'll find more time to read that all.
Its interesting that the author seems to dismiss the hydrogen fuel cell as being "so far behind in the race" There is still a lot of development to be done to extract the hydrogen for its use. Once that is achieved then surely the hydrogen is so plentyful and so enviromentally sound that it shouldnt be dismissed so easily.
The problem of electric cars is that fossil fuels are still being burnt to power up the batteries. then there's the question of why they make them so damned ugly ( G-Whiz )
I've long been dismissive of the hybrid Prius bandwagon that celebrities seem so fond of jumping on
Therecare plenty of cars that are more economical than the prius without paying the price premium.
Its interesting that the author seems to dismiss the hydrogen fuel cell as being "so far behind in the race" There is still a lot of development to be done to extract the hydrogen for its use. Once that is achieved then surely the hydrogen is so plentyful and so enviromentally sound that it shouldnt be dismissed so easily.
The problem of electric cars is that fossil fuels are still being burnt to power up the batteries. then there's the question of why they make them so damned ugly ( G-Whiz )
I've long been dismissive of the hybrid Prius bandwagon that celebrities seem so fond of jumping on
Therecare plenty of cars that are more economical than the prius without paying the price premium.
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gmc;1182386 wrote: Therecare plenty of cars that are more economical than the prius without paying the price premium.
Your right. Every celebrity and his dog have been photographed with one. " Ooh look at me, are'nt I environmentally responsible ? "
Your right. Every celebrity and his dog have been photographed with one. " Ooh look at me, are'nt I environmentally responsible ? "
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I have a daughter who apart from a 9 month old daughter runs a 95 Fiesta, she is not able to afford to buy anything near a new car, the road tax on this Fiesta is £190 per year (which is more than a 7.5 ton truck at where I work (£165)).
Someone at work applied for the scheme, they have a 96 Peugeot, they were told because in 97 it had been written off it does not come in the £2000 scrapping scheme.
This scheme should be aimed at the British motor industry, only cars built in the UK with at least 50% British built parts, this would help mainly Nissan, Toyota, Honda and Vauxhall.
Someone at work applied for the scheme, they have a 96 Peugeot, they were told because in 97 it had been written off it does not come in the £2000 scrapping scheme.
This scheme should be aimed at the British motor industry, only cars built in the UK with at least 50% British built parts, this would help mainly Nissan, Toyota, Honda and Vauxhall.
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Well, waddya know. They're having problems with the scheme.:yh_eyerol
Car scrappage scheme: 'cash for bangers' has difficult start - Telegraph
Car scrappage scheme: 'cash for bangers' has difficult start - Telegraph
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It's a stupid idea most cars lose more than that in the first twelve months-the more expensive the car the bigger the fall-you can get low mileage 08 plate vectras with £8,000 off the list price from new mondeos lose about the same even BMW's are being discounted. only an idiot pays the full list price-the only ones you might have to are if you want to get a small car or a diesel. If you can't get the finance at a reasonable rate it's academic anyway. There are plenty cars more than ten years old out there that don't need to be replaced
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The question is, is it more enviromentaly friendly to keep a vehicle running longer against the resources required to manufacture a new vehicle????
It's a damn sight cheaper. How many people running older cars do you think do it out of necessity-or they have the sense not to take on finance to buy one or personal leasing they know they can't afford. We've been getting ripped off by the manufacturers for decades I find it really hard to be sympathetic towards them.
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The question is, is it more enviromentaly friendly to keep a vehicle running longer against the resources required to manufacture a new vehicle????
It's a damn sight cheaper. How many people running older cars do you think do it out of necessity-or they have the sense not to take on finance to buy one or personal leasing they know they can't afford. We've been getting ripped off by the manufacturers for decades I find it really hard to be sympathetic towards them.