What do you think?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:24 am

I have this starch religious conservative living next to me. He and his common law wife moved in last year after the house being vacant after the death of his father about 6 years ago.

You see, while his mother and father were both alive the mother had to be put in a home due to Alzheimer's and the agreement was that since the house was under her name the family would repay the taxpayers for footing the bill of caring for the lady by selling the home after the passing of the father. Well the father dies and all of a sudden the family refuses to repay the taxpayers. The two people who live there now also own a home in Philadelphia where he is in his retirement year as a high school teacher.

The agreement cannot compel the people to sell the house as it seems to have been a good faith agreement. The house is so run down on the inside that the family may not get what they owe and don't want to be responsible for any outstanding bill.

What do you think they should have done?

Jazzy · Post by **Jazzy** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:37 am

Ahso!;1284151 wrote: I have this starch religious conservative living next to me. He and his common law wife moved in last year after the house being vacant after the death of his father about 6 years ago.

You see, while his mother and father were both alive the mother had to be put in a home due to Alzheimer's and the agreement was that since the house was under her name the family would repay the taxpayers for footing the bill of caring for the lady by selling the home after the passing of the father. Well the father dies and all of a sudden the family refuses to repay the taxpayers. The two people who live there now also own a home in Philadelphia where he is in his retirement year as a high school teacher.

The agreement cannot compel the people to sell the house as it seems to have been a good faith agreement. The house is so run down on the inside that the family may not get what they owe and don't want to be responsible for any outstanding bill.

What do you think they should have done?

I'm sorry but I have some questions here:

#1 How do you know what the agreement was? Were you their attorney?

#2. Have you been inside that house?

#3. Isn't this what is really the root of your problem? I have this starch religious conservative living next to me. He and his common law wife moved in last year after the house being vacant after the death of his father about 6 years ago.

#4. What do I think they should have done about what?

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:40 am

Ahso!;1284151 wrote:

What do you think they should have done?
Honestly? I don't feel it would be any of my business.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:40 am

Jazzy;1284153 wrote: I'm sorry but I have some questions here:

#1 How do you know what the agreement was? Were you their attorney? They discussed it with me. i offered to buy the house.

#2. Have you been inside that house? Yes - many times helping to update things. And I used to help the old man with things. None of his kids were ever available.

#3. Isn't this what is really the root of your problem: I have this starch religious conservative living next to me. He and his common law wife moved in last year after the house being vacant after the death of his father about 6 years ago.

Thats absolutely my problem. But not for the reasons you may think. We get along great, in fact I'couldn't ask for a more polite couple to live next door to. This is a question of values, ethics and hypocrisy.

What is your point, Jazzy, or do you not have one?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:43 am

Peg;1284156 wrote: Honestly? I don't feel it would be any of my business.

I dont know about anyone elses but my life is a full time job.

I can barely manage it.

Taking on other peoples business is at the extreme bottom of the list.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:44 am

Peg;1284156 wrote: Honestly? I don't feel it would be any of my business.There was an agreement between the family and the state, why would it not be our business?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:03 am

Incidentally, its a matter of public record.

Jazzy · Post by **Jazzy** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:05 am

Ahso!;1284157 wrote:

What is your point, Jazzy, or do you not have one?

What's your point in making this thread? I am not understanding what you are asking in your OP.

Again, what do we think about what?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:12 am

Jazzy;1284167 wrote: What's your point in making this thread? I am not understanding what you are asking in you OP.

Again, what do I think about what?

So don't participate in the thread if you can't understand the question posed. Reread the question at the bottom of the post and try again. If you once again fail, bow out.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:55 am

I don't know how they do things there but when my dad died I had to move back home to care for mom in their house. When she got to be more than I could handle they put her in a nursing home. When her bank account was used up, they made me sell the house and turn it all over to the state for her care. I wanted to keep the house in the family because dad built it with his own hands and a bit of help from his brothers and myself and mom.

I was able to keep it in the family. My #1 daughter bought it and still lives in it.

Jazzy · Post by **Jazzy** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:01 am

Ahso!;1284151 wrote: I have this starch religious conservative living next to me. He and his common law wife moved in last year after the house being vacant after the death of his father about 6 years ago.

What do you think they should have done?

You started with this and then went about asking a question. Why even mention that they are starch religious conservatives living next door to you? I will now bow out of this thread as I apparently don't understand the point of question being asked. I apologize to other members that did get the point.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:05 am

Jazzy;1284188 wrote: You started with this and then went about asking a question. Why even mention that they are starch religious conservatives living next door to you? I will now bow out of this thread as I apparently don't understand the point of question being asked. I apologize to other members that did get the point. Thank you!:)

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:15 am

hoppy;1284185 wrote: I don't know how they do things there but when my dad died I had to move back home to care for mom in their house. When she got to be more than I could handle they put her in a nursing home. When her bank account was used up, they made me sell the house and turn it all over to the state for her care. I wanted to keep the house in the family because dad built it with his own hands and a bit of help from his brothers and myself and mom.

I was able to keep it in the family. My #1 daughter bought it and still lives in it.Thats fairly how it was supposed to work here too, but one of the son's is a powerful judge here and rumor has it he was given a favor by making it a good faith agreement.

In this case the mother went into the home prior to the father passing and he never put the house in his name or any of the kids names. Funny thing is he was an attorney and former FBI agent, so you'd think he'd have known better. I don't know why they didn't just do the honorable thing by having a family member purchase the home. It has an adjoining lot and I offered to purchase both for over market value and resell the house back to them. I wanted to keep the lot, that was to be for my willingness to pay over the market value.

I just think it would have been the honorable and ethical thing to do to honor the agreement and repay the taxpayer.

As for the lot, ah so what, i dislike mowing grass.

FUBAR · Post by **FUBAR** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:21 am

A staunch religious conservative--and yet has a common law wife?? Doesn't his church believe in marriage then? I guess hoping he will have morals or ethics just won't be enough then.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:46 am

Ahso!;1284151 wrote: I have this starch religious conservative living next to me. He and his common law wife moved in last year after the house being vacant after the death of his father about 6 years ago.

You see, while his mother and father were both alive the mother had to be put in a home due to Alzheimer's and the agreement was that since the house was under her name the family would repay the taxpayers for footing the bill of caring for the lady by selling the home after the passing of the father. Well the father dies and all of a sudden the family refuses to repay the taxpayers. The two people who live there now also own a home in Philadelphia where he is in his retirement year as a high school teacher.

The agreement cannot compel the people to sell the house as it seems to have been a good faith agreement. The house is so run down on the inside that the family may not get what they owe and don't want to be responsible for any outstanding bill.

What do you think they should have done?

Its not my business, its theirs.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:12 am

FUBAR;1284388 wrote: A staunch religious conservative--and yet has a common law wife?? Doesn't his church believe in marriage then? I guess hoping he will have morals or ethics just won't be enough then.My guess is the common law relationship may be for tax avoidance purposes.

That was the point in including that part. It's easy to see that many religious people make choices out of convenience sake putting ethics and morals aside when need be.

All this 'It's none of my business" is really interesting though. It suggests that the same choice may have been made by them. I don't get why people just don't own up to it and make a case for the decision.

I could have posted this as a hypothetical situation, but I chose not to because its more revealing and fun this way. My sense is the fact that I put actual people to the situation I think gave some an "excuse-me" way out. Funny how some of us as humans can't stay away.

Now I want to say without exception that I throughly respect all of the people whom have posted in the thread.

The fact is I may have made the same decision the people next door did.

I thought it would be fun to explore the self and the reasons we do some of the things we do. Still might happen.