The following link is a rather lengthy but well done article I read in the N.Y. Times regarding the question of whether or not America was founded on Christian principles and the insistence of those who believe so to rewrite our public school curriculum to reflect that "fact".
In my view it's time for American parents to start home schooling their kids unless you want them to have a religious education. The religious right is so devious, its difficult to be kind toward them.
LAST MONTH, A WEEK before the Senate seat of the liberal icon Edward M. Kennedy fell into Republican hands, his legacy suffered another blow that was perhaps just as damaging, if less noticed. It happened during what has become an annual spectacle in the culture wars.
Over two days, more than a hundred people — Christians, Jews, housewives, naval officers, professors; people outfitted in everything from business suits to military fatigues to turbans to baseball caps — streamed through the halls of the William B. Travis Building in Austin, Tex., waiting for a chance to stand before the semicircle of 15 high-backed chairs whose occupants made up the Texas State Board of Education. Each petitioner had three minutes to say his or her piece.
“Please keep César Chávez” was the message of an elderly Hispanic man with a floppy gray mustache.
“Sikhism is the fifth-largest religion in the world and should be included in the curriculum,” a woman declared.
Following the appeals from the public, the members of what is the most influential state board of education in the country, and one of the most politically conservative, submitted their own proposed changes to the new social-studies curriculum guidelines, whose adoption was the subject of all the attention — guidelines that will affect students around the country, from kindergarten to 12th grade, for the next 10 years. Gail Lowe — who publishes a twice-a-week newspaper when she is not grappling with divisive education issues — is the official chairwoman, but the meeting was dominated by another member. Don McLeroy, a small, vigorous man with a shiny pate and bristling mustache, proposed amendment after amendment on social issues to the document that teams of professional educators had drawn up over 12 months, in what would have to be described as a single-handed display of archconservative political strong-arming.
McLeroy moved that Margaret Sanger, the birth-control pioneer, be included because she “and her followers promoted eugenics,” that language be inserted about Ronald Reagan’s “leadership in restoring national confidence” following Jimmy Carter’s presidency and that students be instructed to “describe the causes and key organizations and individuals of the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schlafly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the National Rifle Association.” The injection of partisan politics into education went so far that at one point another Republican board member burst out in seemingly embarrassed exasperation, “Guys, you’re rewriting history now!” Nevertheless, most of McLeroy’s proposed amendments passed by a show of hands.
Finally, the board considered an amendment to require students to evaluate the contributions of significant Americans. The names proposed included Thurgood Marshall, Billy Graham, Newt Gingrich, William F. Buckley Jr., Hillary Rodham Clinton and Edward Kennedy. All passed muster except Kennedy, who was voted down. This is the process of how we decide what our text books contain in our endeavor to educate our children. Its a rather auspicious process which those who have say are quite arrogantly open about.
Its the dream of Pat Robertson and Ralph Reed.
The cultural roots of the Texas showdown may be said to date to the late 1980s, when, in the wake of his failed presidential effort, the Rev. Pat Robertson founded the Christian Coalition partly on the logic that conservative Christians should focus their energies at the grass-roots level. One strategy was to put candidates forward for state and local school-board elections — Robertson’s protégé, Ralph Reed, once said, “I would rather have a thousand school-board members than one president and no school-board members” — and Texas was a beachhead. Since the election of two Christian conservatives in 2006, there are now seven on the Texas state board who are quite open about the fact that they vote in concert to advance a Christian agenda. “They do vote as a bloc,” Pat Hardy, a board member who considers herself a conservative Republican but who stands apart from the Christian faction, told me. “They work consciously to pull one more vote in with them on an issue so they’ll have a majority.”
The Philosophy
The Christian “truth” about America’s founding has long been taught in Christian schools, but not beyond. Recently, however — perhaps out of ire at what they see as an aggressive, secular, liberal agenda in Washington and perhaps also because they sense an opening in the battle, a sudden weakness in the lines of the secularists — some activists decided that the time was right to try to reshape the history that children in public schools study. Succeeding at this would help them toward their ultimate goal of reshaping American society. As Cynthia Dunbar, another Christian activist on the Texas board, put it, “The philosophy of the classroom in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next.”
From the mouth of the current board president
“I consider myself a Christian fundamentalist,” he announced almost as soon as we sat down. He also identifies himself as a young-earth creationist who believes that the earth was created in six days, as the book of Genesis has it, less than 10,000 years ago. He went on to explain how his Christian perspective both governs his work on the state board and guides him in the current effort to adjust American-history textbooks to highlight the role of Christianity. “Textbooks are mostly the product of the liberal establishment, and they’re written with the idea that our religion and our liberty are in conflict,” he said. “But Christianity has had a deep impact on our system. The men who wrote the Constitution were Christians who knew the Bible. Our idea of individual rights comes from the Bible. The Western development of the free-market system owes a lot to biblical principles.” For McLeroy, separation of church and state is a myth perpetrated by secular liberals. “There are two basic facts about man,” he said. “He was created in the image of God, and he is fallen. You can’t appreciate the founding of our country without realizing that the founders understood that. For our kids to not know our history, that could kill a society. That’s why to me this is a huge thing.”
“This” — the Texas board’s moves to bring Jesus into American history — has drawn anger in places far removed from the board members’ constituencies. (Samples of recent blog headlines on the topic: “Don McLeroy Wants Your Children to Be Stupid” and “Can We Please Mess With Texas?”) The issue of Texas’ influence is a touchy one in education circles. With some parents and educators elsewhere leery of a right-wing fifth column invading their schools, people in the multibillion textbook industry try to play down the state’s sway. “It’s not a given that Texas’ curriculum translates into other states,” says Jay Diskey, executive director of the school division for the Association of American Publishers, which represents most of the major companies. But Tom Barber, who worked as the head of social studies at the three biggest textbook publishers before running his own editorial company, says, “Texas was and still is the most important and most influential state in the country.” And James Kracht, a professor at Texas A&M’s college of education and a longtime player in the state’s textbook process, told me flatly, “Texas governs 46 or 47 states
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How Christian Were the Founders? - NYTimes.com
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It was a well-written article, that one, worth the time reading it. It consumed twenty minutes of my evening yesterday. I'd hate to be tested on how much I remember though.
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Good article.
Interesting to note,
This battle in Texas has been going on for a couple of decades.
Yet, the majority of home-schoolers are Fundies who wish to protect their children from the secular education influences.
Schools, in my opinion, should stick to the fundamentals of education - three 'R's, as it were - and leave the philosophical and religious teachings to the families.
Interesting to note,
This battle in Texas has been going on for a couple of decades.
Yet, the majority of home-schoolers are Fundies who wish to protect their children from the secular education influences.
Schools, in my opinion, should stick to the fundamentals of education - three 'R's, as it were - and leave the philosophical and religious teachings to the families.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
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looks like you have a real fight on your hands to keep your liberal democracy in place.
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The most poignant paragraph of the piece, at least for me is the following.
What is wrong with the Texas process, according to many observers, is illustrated by the fate of Bill Martin Jr. The board has the power to accept, reject or rewrite the TEKS, and over the past few years, in language arts, science and now social studies, the members have done all of the above. Yet few of these elected overseers are trained in the fields they are reviewing. “In general, the board members don’t know anything at all about content,” Tom Barber, the textbook executive, says. Kathy Miller, the watchdog, who has been monitoring the board for 15 years, says, referring to Don McLeroy and another board member: “It is the most crazy-making thing to sit there and watch a dentist and an insurance salesman rewrite curriculum standards in science and history. Last year, Don McLeroy believed he was smarter than the National Academy of Sciences, and he now believes he’s smarter than professors of American history.” In this case, one board member sent an e-mail message with a reference to “Ethical Marxism,” by Bill Martin, to another board member, who suggested that anyone who wrote a book with such a title did not belong in the TEKS. As it turned out, Bill Martin and Bill Martin Jr. are two different people. But by that time, the author of “Brown Bear, Brown Bear” was out. “That’s a perfect example of these people’s lack of knowledge,” Miller says. “They’re coming forward with hundreds of amendments at the last minute. Don McLeroy had a four-inch stack of amendments, and they all just voted on them, whether or not they actually knew the content. What we witnessed in January was a textbook example of how not to develop textbook standards.”Only in America, the land of opportunity (to disgrace reason and intellect), and only in Texas can such a perversion as stated above occur. Its shameful that a handful of wannabes can have so much influence and it be taken so lightly to pollute knowledge and facts and then feed that poison to our children and our children's children. This is clearly a job for professional people, not a dentist and insurance salesman (and who knows what else). And this is the consequence of not having the will to pay taxes and support that which is in dire need of proper funding.
What is wrong with the Texas process, according to many observers, is illustrated by the fate of Bill Martin Jr. The board has the power to accept, reject or rewrite the TEKS, and over the past few years, in language arts, science and now social studies, the members have done all of the above. Yet few of these elected overseers are trained in the fields they are reviewing. “In general, the board members don’t know anything at all about content,” Tom Barber, the textbook executive, says. Kathy Miller, the watchdog, who has been monitoring the board for 15 years, says, referring to Don McLeroy and another board member: “It is the most crazy-making thing to sit there and watch a dentist and an insurance salesman rewrite curriculum standards in science and history. Last year, Don McLeroy believed he was smarter than the National Academy of Sciences, and he now believes he’s smarter than professors of American history.” In this case, one board member sent an e-mail message with a reference to “Ethical Marxism,” by Bill Martin, to another board member, who suggested that anyone who wrote a book with such a title did not belong in the TEKS. As it turned out, Bill Martin and Bill Martin Jr. are two different people. But by that time, the author of “Brown Bear, Brown Bear” was out. “That’s a perfect example of these people’s lack of knowledge,” Miller says. “They’re coming forward with hundreds of amendments at the last minute. Don McLeroy had a four-inch stack of amendments, and they all just voted on them, whether or not they actually knew the content. What we witnessed in January was a textbook example of how not to develop textbook standards.”Only in America, the land of opportunity (to disgrace reason and intellect), and only in Texas can such a perversion as stated above occur. Its shameful that a handful of wannabes can have so much influence and it be taken so lightly to pollute knowledge and facts and then feed that poison to our children and our children's children. This is clearly a job for professional people, not a dentist and insurance salesman (and who knows what else). And this is the consequence of not having the will to pay taxes and support that which is in dire need of proper funding.
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Sink back into the ocean
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gmc;1290446 wrote: looks like you have a real fight on your hands to keep your liberal democracy in place.
To keep ANY democracy in place.
To keep ANY democracy in place.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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Ahso!;1290450 wrote: The most poignant paragraph of the piece, at least for me is the following.
Only in America, the land of opportunity (to disgrace reason and intellect), and only in Texas can such a perversion as stated above occur. Its shameful that a handful of wannabes can have so much influence and it be taken so lightly to pollute knowledge and facts and then feed that poison to our children and our children's children. This is clearly a job for professional people, not a dentist and insurance salesman (and who knows what else). And this is the consequence of not having the will to pay taxes and support that which is in dire need of proper funding.
Ah but god is guiding them in their decisions and who are you to question them removing all heresy from the curriculum cos unless you are strong in the lord your opinion counts for nothing and if you shout bollocks you are disrespecting their religion.
Joking aside how likely are they to be able to end the separation of church and state?
Only in America, the land of opportunity (to disgrace reason and intellect), and only in Texas can such a perversion as stated above occur. Its shameful that a handful of wannabes can have so much influence and it be taken so lightly to pollute knowledge and facts and then feed that poison to our children and our children's children. This is clearly a job for professional people, not a dentist and insurance salesman (and who knows what else). And this is the consequence of not having the will to pay taxes and support that which is in dire need of proper funding.
Ah but god is guiding them in their decisions and who are you to question them removing all heresy from the curriculum cos unless you are strong in the lord your opinion counts for nothing and if you shout bollocks you are disrespecting their religion.
Joking aside how likely are they to be able to end the separation of church and state?
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gmc;1290474 wrote: Ah but god is guiding them in their decisions and who are you to question them removing all heresy from the curriculum cos unless you are strong in the lord your opinion counts for nothing and if you shout bollocks you are disrespecting their religion.
Joking aside how likely are they to be able to end the separation of church and state?With this current supreme court the likelihood is more possible than ever before.
Joking aside how likely are they to be able to end the separation of church and state?With this current supreme court the likelihood is more possible than ever before.
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Ahso!;1290476 wrote: With this current supreme court the likelihood is more possible than ever before.
The thing is which christian church? If the catholic one does that mean the pope will be making all the decisions, We have a pope that seems set to re-exert the power of the catholic church in society he's causing a stooshie here with some of his comments. If protestant won't all the Catholics be a bit upset about heretics being in charge? I reckon they'll all end up fighting amongst themselves, besides surely there are more opposed to such a thing than for it?
The thing is which christian church? If the catholic one does that mean the pope will be making all the decisions, We have a pope that seems set to re-exert the power of the catholic church in society he's causing a stooshie here with some of his comments. If protestant won't all the Catholics be a bit upset about heretics being in charge? I reckon they'll all end up fighting amongst themselves, besides surely there are more opposed to such a thing than for it?
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Where's Ted when you need him lol I'd love to hear his thoughts!
Smoke signals ftw!
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Omni_Skittles;1290502 wrote: Where's Ted when you need him lol I'd love to hear his thoughts!Ted is very informed an religion itself but I'm not sure how that relates to what belongs in the textbook of the public school system. Have you had time to read the article yet? It is long.
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LarsMac;1290419 wrote:
Schools, in my opinion, should stick to the fundamentals of education - three 'R's, as it were - and leave the philosophical and religious teachings to the families.
I agree: Here's my stock response to people that suggest that schools teach religion. (By the way, I've only seen one teacher try that in 18 years... and she got fired.)
I never seem to be able to shop these days without overhearing someone say, "They should teach religion in schools. That's what's wrong with kids these days!"
OK. What religion should we teach? Buddhism? Hinduism? Islam? Oh, of course! “In God We Trust!” It’s got to be Christianity! America is overwhelmingly Christian after all. (Although I do know a very nice Hindu family of doctors, aren't they an important part of our country?) Fine, which version of Christianity should we teach? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Baptist? Methodist? Catholic? (It is the oldest after all) Are Mormans Christian? Are you starting to get my point? No matter what the schools did, they'd never please everybody.
Perhaps they’re worried that Christian values and morals aren’t being taught to young people. They shouldn’t worry another second. Every teacher I've ever met has modeled and practiced nothing but the best of Christian virtues: honesty, integrity, respect, and dignity. But who will teach religion if not the schools, you ask?
Simple. The family and the Church. Who better to teach these things than the people that care the most about the children, their parents. Where better to learn than the Church?
The Pilgrims came to America because they didn't like their religion being controlled and dictated by the state. George Washington didn't like it. Thomas Jefferson didn't like it. Trust me, you won't like it either.
Schools, in my opinion, should stick to the fundamentals of education - three 'R's, as it were - and leave the philosophical and religious teachings to the families.
I agree: Here's my stock response to people that suggest that schools teach religion. (By the way, I've only seen one teacher try that in 18 years... and she got fired.)
I never seem to be able to shop these days without overhearing someone say, "They should teach religion in schools. That's what's wrong with kids these days!"
OK. What religion should we teach? Buddhism? Hinduism? Islam? Oh, of course! “In God We Trust!” It’s got to be Christianity! America is overwhelmingly Christian after all. (Although I do know a very nice Hindu family of doctors, aren't they an important part of our country?) Fine, which version of Christianity should we teach? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Baptist? Methodist? Catholic? (It is the oldest after all) Are Mormans Christian? Are you starting to get my point? No matter what the schools did, they'd never please everybody.
Perhaps they’re worried that Christian values and morals aren’t being taught to young people. They shouldn’t worry another second. Every teacher I've ever met has modeled and practiced nothing but the best of Christian virtues: honesty, integrity, respect, and dignity. But who will teach religion if not the schools, you ask?
Simple. The family and the Church. Who better to teach these things than the people that care the most about the children, their parents. Where better to learn than the Church?
The Pilgrims came to America because they didn't like their religion being controlled and dictated by the state. George Washington didn't like it. Thomas Jefferson didn't like it. Trust me, you won't like it either.
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gmc;1290479 wrote: The thing is which christian church? If the catholic one does that mean the pope will be making all the decisions, We have a pope that seems set to re-exert the power of the catholic church in society he's causing a stooshie here with some of his comments. If protestant won't all the Catholics be a bit upset about heretics being in charge? I reckon they'll all end up fighting amongst themselves, besides surely there are more opposed to such a thing than for it?My guess is that as long as its Christian, it doesn't matter much to them. But you're right, if they don't include all religious flavors its unfair.
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BTW... New Mexicans know that all Texans are crazy.
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Saint_;1290504 wrote: I agree: Here's my stock response to people that suggest that schools teach religion. (By the way, I've only seen one teacher try that in 18 years... and she got fired.)
I never seem to be able to shop these days without overhearing someone say, "They should teach religion in schools. That's what's wrong with kids these days!"
OK. What religion should we teach? Buddhism? Hinduism? Islam? Oh, of course! “In God We Trust! It’s got to be Christianity! America is overwhelmingly Christian after all. (Although I do know a very nice Hindu family of doctors, aren't they an important part of our country?) Fine, which version of Christianity should we teach? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Baptist? Methodist? Catholic? (It is the oldest after all) Are Mormans Christian? Are you starting to get my point? No matter what the schools did, they'd never please everybody.
Perhaps they’re worried that Christian values and morals aren’t being taught to young people. They shouldn’t worry another second. Every teacher I've ever met has modeled and practiced nothing but the best of Christian virtues: honesty, integrity, respect, and dignity. But who will teach religion if not the schools, you ask?
Simple. The family and the Church. Who better to teach these things than the people that care the most about the children, their parents. Where better to learn than the Church?
The Pilgrims came to America because they didn't like their religion being controlled and dictated by the state. George Washington didn't like it. Thomas Jefferson didn't like it. Trust me, you won't like it either.No comment on the contents of the article? Thats what the thread is about.
I never seem to be able to shop these days without overhearing someone say, "They should teach religion in schools. That's what's wrong with kids these days!"
OK. What religion should we teach? Buddhism? Hinduism? Islam? Oh, of course! “In God We Trust! It’s got to be Christianity! America is overwhelmingly Christian after all. (Although I do know a very nice Hindu family of doctors, aren't they an important part of our country?) Fine, which version of Christianity should we teach? Lutheran? Presbyterian? Baptist? Methodist? Catholic? (It is the oldest after all) Are Mormans Christian? Are you starting to get my point? No matter what the schools did, they'd never please everybody.
Perhaps they’re worried that Christian values and morals aren’t being taught to young people. They shouldn’t worry another second. Every teacher I've ever met has modeled and practiced nothing but the best of Christian virtues: honesty, integrity, respect, and dignity. But who will teach religion if not the schools, you ask?
Simple. The family and the Church. Who better to teach these things than the people that care the most about the children, their parents. Where better to learn than the Church?
The Pilgrims came to America because they didn't like their religion being controlled and dictated by the state. George Washington didn't like it. Thomas Jefferson didn't like it. Trust me, you won't like it either.No comment on the contents of the article? Thats what the thread is about.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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to advance a Christian agenda... in schools.
That pretty much sums up the article. And my response addresses that directly. (Also, Texans are all crazy.);)
That pretty much sums up the article. And my response addresses that directly. (Also, Texans are all crazy.);)
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Saint_;1290512 wrote: That pretty much sums up the article. And my response addresses that directly. (Also, Texans are all crazy.);)So are you saying that if its in the textbooks, you won't have to teach it?
And no it doesn't sum up the article. How would you know having not read it?
And no it doesn't sum up the article. How would you know having not read it?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Liberty, democracy, republic, justice all these things you take for granted are all pagan concepts that pre-date Christianity-even the very words used come from a pagan language. All the trappings of power you use in the states have pagan symbolism.
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# Two fasces appear on either side of the flag of the United States in the United States House of Representatives, representing the power of the House and the country.
# The Mace of the United States House of Representatives, designed to resemble fasces, consists of thirteen ebony rods bound together in the same fashion as the fasces, topped by a silver eagle on a globe.
# The official seal of the United States Senate has as one component a pair of crossed fasces.
# Fasces ring the base of the Statue of Freedom atop the United States Capitol building.
# A frieze on the facade of the United States Supreme Court building depicts the figure of a Roman centurion holding a fasces, to represent "order".[4]
It wasn't a christian state that inspired your founding fathers it was the pagan one and it's ideals of equality and justice not the christian state of the emperors
Fasces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
# Two fasces appear on either side of the flag of the United States in the United States House of Representatives, representing the power of the House and the country.
# The Mace of the United States House of Representatives, designed to resemble fasces, consists of thirteen ebony rods bound together in the same fashion as the fasces, topped by a silver eagle on a globe.
# The official seal of the United States Senate has as one component a pair of crossed fasces.
# Fasces ring the base of the Statue of Freedom atop the United States Capitol building.
# A frieze on the facade of the United States Supreme Court building depicts the figure of a Roman centurion holding a fasces, to represent "order".[4]
It wasn't a christian state that inspired your founding fathers it was the pagan one and it's ideals of equality and justice not the christian state of the emperors
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It is unpatriotic not to uphold the Constitution - not to keep church and state separate.
(not all Texans are crazy, we just don't get the same press!!)
(not all Texans are crazy, we just don't get the same press!!)
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Bevdee;1290537 wrote: It is unpatriotic not to uphold the Constitution - not to keep church and state separate.
(not all Texans are crazy, we just don't get the same press!!)You may wish to read the article, your answer lies within.
(not all Texans are crazy, we just don't get the same press!!)You may wish to read the article, your answer lies within.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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The NY Times is known to be liberal... I mean you can see it in the wordings of the article... true every library in america owns a copy but still... it doesn't make it ummm fact. yea... fact. I read the article though and it's really good. I find it entertaining the texas can be such a pain in america's side 
Smoke signals ftw!
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Umm, I did read it. I think I just said that wrong. It is unconstitutional not to keep church and state separate. I think paper money is unconstitutional, cause it says "In God We Trust". That pisses me off.
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Yeah, Texans gotta kick up a ruckus whenever we can. But some of em still have that self-governing Lone Star State arrogance. That's our tradition. And I admire rebellion, the refusal to conform, That's the spirit that makes this state great. I just hate that they have to throw Xtianity into the mix. I agree with what someone said - religion should not be taught in public schools. I pay taxes, too. I resent that these people are taking up my tax dollars fighting for something that was clearly defined over 200 years ago. Why don't they go re-write the Bible instead?
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Bevdee;1290542 wrote: Umm, I did read it. I think I just said that wrong. It is unconstitutional not to keep church and state separate. I think paper money is unconstitutional, cause it says "In God We Trust". That pisses me off.Its not unconstitutional by their reading of the bible, oops, I mean constitution.
They are becoming particularly brazen due to this current supreme court we have. Since they understand this will most likely end up in the supreme court, they want it in front of this one.
They are becoming particularly brazen due to this current supreme court we have. Since they understand this will most likely end up in the supreme court, they want it in front of this one.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
Bevdee;1290543 wrote: Yeah, Texans gotta kick up a ruckus whenever we can. But some of em still have that self-governing Lone Star State arrogance. That's our tradition. And I admire rebellion, the refusal to conform, That's the spirit that makes this state great. I just hate that they have to throw Xtianity into the mix. I agree with what someone said - religion should not be taught in public schools. I pay taxes, too. I resent that these people are taking up my tax dollars fighting for something that was clearly defined over 200 years ago. Why don't they go re-write the Bible instead?
I thought they were but taking out all the liberal bits like tolerance of others and loving thy neighbour even if he is a bit, well, funny
Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia
Or is this a spoof site?
What's wrong with the King James version? Does him being scots as well as gay somehow make the words less meaningful?
I thought they were but taking out all the liberal bits like tolerance of others and loving thy neighbour even if he is a bit, well, funny
Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia
Or is this a spoof site?
What's wrong with the King James version? Does him being scots as well as gay somehow make the words less meaningful?
The Christian Foundation of America?
This thread is about the article in the OP.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
Sorry if I diverted the thread.
The Christian Foundation of America?
Bevdee;1290555 wrote: Sorry if I diverted the thread.You didn't!
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
I am not a big fan of the NYT but this article was excellent. Texans seem to do a lot of things differently----------they have executed more prisoners than any other state and have many on death row awaiting execution. Thanks to DNA, there have been some reversals of convictions.
The Christian Foundation of America?
Is anyone here NOT nervous that seven or eight people in Texas can have such a far-reaching affect on the curricula of schools all over the nation?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
The Christian Foundation of America?
LarsMac;1290595 wrote: Is anyone here NOT nervous that seven or eight people in Texas can have such a far-reaching affect on the curricula of schools all over the nation?
so 350 million people are going to let them? Not being american you tend to see the more extreme end of this kind of thing reported in our media so you get a distorted view-but are they really such a threat to your democracy?
so 350 million people are going to let them? Not being american you tend to see the more extreme end of this kind of thing reported in our media so you get a distorted view-but are they really such a threat to your democracy?
The Christian Foundation of America?
Bevdee;1290537 wrote: It is unpatriotic not to uphold the Constitution - not to keep church and state separate.
I'll go even further. Once, the Middle East was the most highly developed civilization on the planet. We still use their arabic numeral system. At that time the Western civilization was in the Dark ages. Now, the West is premiere. We have looked down on them from the moon.
What happened? Why did the West rise while the East sank?
Simple. They mix religion with their politics.
(not all Texans are crazy, we just don't get the same press!!)
LOL! Ok... granted!:wah:
I'll go even further. Once, the Middle East was the most highly developed civilization on the planet. We still use their arabic numeral system. At that time the Western civilization was in the Dark ages. Now, the West is premiere. We have looked down on them from the moon.
What happened? Why did the West rise while the East sank?
Simple. They mix religion with their politics.
(not all Texans are crazy, we just don't get the same press!!)
LOL! Ok... granted!:wah:
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saint_;1290512 wrote: That pretty much sums up the article. And my response addresses that directly. (Also, Texans are all crazy.);)I'll try again since we'll assume you missed it. I doubt you would pass up a chance to respond to such an easy question, thereby ignoring it. Here goes - ready?
So are you saying that if its in the textbooks, you won't have to teach it?
And no it doesn't sum up the article. How would you know having not read it?
So are you saying that if its in the textbooks, you won't have to teach it?
And no it doesn't sum up the article. How would you know having not read it?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
gmc;1290632 wrote: so 350 million people are going to let them? Not being american you tend to see the more extreme end of this kind of thing reported in our media so you get a distorted view-but are they really such a threat to your democracy?
Hard to say, really. The theory is that children are indoctrinated by their experience in school and the things they learn from their class time and textbooks.
I do know that some stupid children believe whatever you tell them, but I also know that smart children never take the teachers word for anything.
So, the battleground is over what will be used to "indoctrinate" the children in the near future.
And since Texas buys a lot of school books, these dozen or so people have a lot of say in what gets into textbooks all over the country, thereby controlling the curricula of a majority of the public schools. Mr McElroy and his cronies have virtual control of all of that, and have developed an agenda to see that it goes their way.
Hard to say, really. The theory is that children are indoctrinated by their experience in school and the things they learn from their class time and textbooks.
I do know that some stupid children believe whatever you tell them, but I also know that smart children never take the teachers word for anything.
So, the battleground is over what will be used to "indoctrinate" the children in the near future.
And since Texas buys a lot of school books, these dozen or so people have a lot of say in what gets into textbooks all over the country, thereby controlling the curricula of a majority of the public schools. Mr McElroy and his cronies have virtual control of all of that, and have developed an agenda to see that it goes their way.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
The Christian Foundation of America?
Ahso!;1290686 wrote: I'll try again since we'll assume you missed it. I doubt you would pass up a chance to respond to such an easy question, thereby ignoring it. Here goes - ready?
So are you saying that if its in the textbooks, you won't have to teach it?
If lesson plans for the teaching of religion in American schools ever shows up in a State-approved textbook, well we really won't be America anymore, will we? I don't know what I'd do in that other country that does not resemble the most basic structure we have now.
But I'll never teach a State-sponsored religion in THIS country. That's the job of the Church and parents.
So are you saying that if its in the textbooks, you won't have to teach it?
If lesson plans for the teaching of religion in American schools ever shows up in a State-approved textbook, well we really won't be America anymore, will we? I don't know what I'd do in that other country that does not resemble the most basic structure we have now.
But I'll never teach a State-sponsored religion in THIS country. That's the job of the Church and parents.
The Christian Foundation of America?
LarsMac;1290689 wrote: Hard to say, really. The theory is that children are indoctrinated by their experience in school and the things they learn from their class time and textbooks.
I do know that some stupid children believe whatever you tell them, but I also know that smart children never take the teachers word for anything.
So, the battleground is over what will be used to "indoctrinate" the children in the near future.
And since Texas buys a lot of school books, these dozen or so people have a lot of say in what gets into textbooks all over the country, thereby controlling the curricula of a majority of the public schools. Mr McElroy and his cronies have virtual control of all of that, and have developed an agenda to see that it goes their way.I doubt it will be a threat to our democracy, it will change the attitude and goal of it to a more religious end.
I personally don't favor that scenario because religion is inclusive and exclusive based on ardent morality, and morality needs flexibility to endure from a generational standpoint..
I do know that some stupid children believe whatever you tell them, but I also know that smart children never take the teachers word for anything.
So, the battleground is over what will be used to "indoctrinate" the children in the near future.
And since Texas buys a lot of school books, these dozen or so people have a lot of say in what gets into textbooks all over the country, thereby controlling the curricula of a majority of the public schools. Mr McElroy and his cronies have virtual control of all of that, and have developed an agenda to see that it goes their way.I doubt it will be a threat to our democracy, it will change the attitude and goal of it to a more religious end.
I personally don't favor that scenario because religion is inclusive and exclusive based on ardent morality, and morality needs flexibility to endure from a generational standpoint..
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
What we're talking about here sure isn't "freedom." One small group of people deciding what everyone else should believe. That's exactly why the Pilgrims came to this country. They didn't like the Church of England telling them what to believe.
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saint_;1290692 wrote: If lesson plans for the teaching of religion in American schools ever shows up in a State-approved textbook, well we really won't be America anymore, will we? I don't know what I'd do in that other country that does not resemble the most basic structure we have now.
But I'll never teach a State-sponsored religion in THIS country. That's the job of the Church and parents.According to the article, if you wish to keep your teaching job, you certainly will teach what these 15 lay people dictate what will be the contents of "state-approved" textbooks.
Reading the article might help.
But I'll never teach a State-sponsored religion in THIS country. That's the job of the Church and parents.According to the article, if you wish to keep your teaching job, you certainly will teach what these 15 lay people dictate what will be the contents of "state-approved" textbooks.
Reading the article might help.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
OK, I read the entire 10-page document and it is a lengthy discourse of sheer stupidity, vanity, and hubris on the part of a bunch of ignorant Texans that want to force our children to be equally ignorant and just like them.
They tried to force through creationism last year and they're trying to force through religion this year, (also while rewriting history to show that Reagan, who began the cycle of bankrupting this country was some kind of "hero.)
There will always be a few people that want the rest of us to swallow their narrow-minded, unscientific views of everything. They are to be fought by all men of good conscience. (One, a man called "Hitler" knew that mankind would be much better off if we killed off all races of men except his perfect ideal, the Aryan race.)
These maroons fall into the same exact category... selfish, ignorant tyrannical morons.
A perfect example of their stupidity: "For McLeroy, separation of church and state is a myth perpetrated by secular liberals. “There are two basic facts about man, he said. “He was created in the image of God, and he is fallen."
How vain is that?
1. He assumes he knows what God looks like.
2. He assumes that mammalian, primate-based life is the only life that exists in the Universe.
3. He is positive we've all "fallen."
None of those things are 'facts" at all. Thank goodness there are many more intelligent people than there are idiots like these. I say again, TEXANS (at least these for sure) ARE ALL CRAZY.:rolleyes:
They tried to force through creationism last year and they're trying to force through religion this year, (also while rewriting history to show that Reagan, who began the cycle of bankrupting this country was some kind of "hero.)
There will always be a few people that want the rest of us to swallow their narrow-minded, unscientific views of everything. They are to be fought by all men of good conscience. (One, a man called "Hitler" knew that mankind would be much better off if we killed off all races of men except his perfect ideal, the Aryan race.)
These maroons fall into the same exact category... selfish, ignorant tyrannical morons.
A perfect example of their stupidity: "For McLeroy, separation of church and state is a myth perpetrated by secular liberals. “There are two basic facts about man, he said. “He was created in the image of God, and he is fallen."
How vain is that?
1. He assumes he knows what God looks like.
2. He assumes that mammalian, primate-based life is the only life that exists in the Universe.
3. He is positive we've all "fallen."
None of those things are 'facts" at all. Thank goodness there are many more intelligent people than there are idiots like these. I say again, TEXANS (at least these for sure) ARE ALL CRAZY.:rolleyes:
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saying that the world is flat still doesn't make it so.
And I don't have to worry about my job. I'll still teach that the world is round.:wah:
And I don't have to worry about my job. I'll still teach that the world is round.:wah:
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saint_;1290697 wrote: OK, I read the entire 10-page document and it is a lengthy discourse of sheer stupidity, vanity, and hubris on the part of a bunch of ignorant Texans that want to force our children to be equally ignorant and just like them.
They tried to force through creationism last year and they're trying to force through religion this year, (also while rewriting history to show that Reagan, who began the cycle of bankrupting this country was some kind of "hero.)
There will always be a few people that want the rest of us to swallow their narrow-minded, unscientific views of everything. They are to be fought by all men of good conscience. (One, a man called "Hitler" knew that mankind would be much better off if we killed off all races of men except his perfect ideal, the Aryan race.)
These maroons fall into the same exact category... selfish, ignorant tyrannical morons.
A perfect example of their stupidity: "For McLeroy, separation of church and state is a myth perpetrated by secular liberals. “There are two basic facts about man,” he said. “He was created in the image of God, and he is fallen."
How vain is that?
1. He assumes he knows what God looks like.
2. He assumes that mammalian, primate-based life is the only life that exists in the Universe.
3. He is positive we've all "fallen."
None of those things are 'facts" at all. Thank goodness there are many more intelligent people than there are idiots like these. I say again, TEXANS (at least these for sure) ARE ALL CRAZY.:rolleyes:So, where will you be looking for employment?
Whats most disturbing to me is the fact that the teachers on the front lines of education seem to have no idea of how this process works and, even worse, have no idea of what will be included in what they are required to teach.
Is that because the head of the "liberal" teachers union is not notifying you folks, or is it that they are complicit in this conspiracy?
It's very troubling all around. Thanks for reading the piece.
They tried to force through creationism last year and they're trying to force through religion this year, (also while rewriting history to show that Reagan, who began the cycle of bankrupting this country was some kind of "hero.)
There will always be a few people that want the rest of us to swallow their narrow-minded, unscientific views of everything. They are to be fought by all men of good conscience. (One, a man called "Hitler" knew that mankind would be much better off if we killed off all races of men except his perfect ideal, the Aryan race.)
These maroons fall into the same exact category... selfish, ignorant tyrannical morons.
A perfect example of their stupidity: "For McLeroy, separation of church and state is a myth perpetrated by secular liberals. “There are two basic facts about man,” he said. “He was created in the image of God, and he is fallen."
How vain is that?
1. He assumes he knows what God looks like.
2. He assumes that mammalian, primate-based life is the only life that exists in the Universe.
3. He is positive we've all "fallen."
None of those things are 'facts" at all. Thank goodness there are many more intelligent people than there are idiots like these. I say again, TEXANS (at least these for sure) ARE ALL CRAZY.:rolleyes:So, where will you be looking for employment?
Whats most disturbing to me is the fact that the teachers on the front lines of education seem to have no idea of how this process works and, even worse, have no idea of what will be included in what they are required to teach.
Is that because the head of the "liberal" teachers union is not notifying you folks, or is it that they are complicit in this conspiracy?
It's very troubling all around. Thanks for reading the piece.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
Ahso!;1290699 wrote: So, where will you be looking for employment?
I think you underrate America and its people. We didn't get to first place by letting the idiots rule. (thinks of George W. Bush.) Umm... usually.:-3
Whats most disturbing to me is the fact that the teachers on the front lines of education seem to have no idea of how this process works and, even worse, have no idea of what will be included in what they are required to teach.
That couldn't be more untrue. All of us are well-versed in the Benchmarks and Standards. This is not the 1980s.
Is that because the head of the "liberal" teachers union is not notifying you folks, or is it that they are complicit in this conspiracy?
It's very troubling all around. Thanks for reading the piece.
Definition of a "liberal" = Someone who is not afraid of change and is looking towards the future. As for it being a "conspiracy," like I said, there is always a "conspiracy" of the selfish and ignorant to force the rest of us to be like them. (See: Islamic Extremism and Al Quada.)
But mankind's history is a story of an upward surge towards intelligence. Not the other 'way round.
I think you underrate America and its people. We didn't get to first place by letting the idiots rule. (thinks of George W. Bush.) Umm... usually.:-3
Whats most disturbing to me is the fact that the teachers on the front lines of education seem to have no idea of how this process works and, even worse, have no idea of what will be included in what they are required to teach.
That couldn't be more untrue. All of us are well-versed in the Benchmarks and Standards. This is not the 1980s.
Is that because the head of the "liberal" teachers union is not notifying you folks, or is it that they are complicit in this conspiracy?
It's very troubling all around. Thanks for reading the piece.
Definition of a "liberal" = Someone who is not afraid of change and is looking towards the future. As for it being a "conspiracy," like I said, there is always a "conspiracy" of the selfish and ignorant to force the rest of us to be like them. (See: Islamic Extremism and Al Quada.)
But mankind's history is a story of an upward surge towards intelligence. Not the other 'way round.
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saint_;1290708 wrote: I think you underrate America and its people. We didn't get to first place by letting the idiots rule. (thinks of George W. Bush.) Umm... usually.:-3
That couldn't be more untrue. All of us are well-versed in the Benchmarks and Standards. This is not the 1980s.
Definition of a "liberal" = Someone who is not afraid of change and is looking towards the future. As for it being a "conspiracy," like I said, there is always a "conspiracy" of the selfish and ignorant to force the rest of us to be like them. (See: Islamic Extremism and Al Quada.)
But mankind's history is a story of an upward surge towards intelligence. Not the other 'way round.;)But you had no idea of what is happening here, and I haven't found much in the way of outrage coming from the teaching community.
You seem to be saying this isn't happening or it won't happen, while its pretty much a done deal from what I've read in that piece.
That couldn't be more untrue. All of us are well-versed in the Benchmarks and Standards. This is not the 1980s.
Definition of a "liberal" = Someone who is not afraid of change and is looking towards the future. As for it being a "conspiracy," like I said, there is always a "conspiracy" of the selfish and ignorant to force the rest of us to be like them. (See: Islamic Extremism and Al Quada.)
But mankind's history is a story of an upward surge towards intelligence. Not the other 'way round.;)But you had no idea of what is happening here, and I haven't found much in the way of outrage coming from the teaching community.
You seem to be saying this isn't happening or it won't happen, while its pretty much a done deal from what I've read in that piece.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
Ahso!;1290714 wrote: But you had no idea of what is happening here,
Of course I do. It goes on all the time.
and I haven't found much in the way of outrage coming from the teaching community.
For good reason. WE get to say which textbooks we buy, and we adopt them in three-year cycles. If we don't like one, we don't buy it. The Texans can dictate all they want what to put into their textbooks, we'll just buy from another company!:D
You seem to be saying this isn't happening or it won't happen, while its pretty much a done deal from what I've read in that piece.
Like I said, it goes on all the time. Welcome to the wide world of education.:rolleyes:
Of course I do. It goes on all the time.
and I haven't found much in the way of outrage coming from the teaching community.
For good reason. WE get to say which textbooks we buy, and we adopt them in three-year cycles. If we don't like one, we don't buy it. The Texans can dictate all they want what to put into their textbooks, we'll just buy from another company!:D
You seem to be saying this isn't happening or it won't happen, while its pretty much a done deal from what I've read in that piece.
Like I said, it goes on all the time. Welcome to the wide world of education.:rolleyes:
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saint_;1290717 wrote: Of course I do. It goes on all the time.
For good reason. WE get to say which textbooks we buy, and we adopt them in three-year cycles. If we don't like one, we don't buy it. The Texans can dictate all they want what to put into their textbooks, we'll just buy from another company!:D
Like I said, it goes on all the time. Welcome to the wide world of education.:rolleyes:I thought you read the article!
For good reason. WE get to say which textbooks we buy, and we adopt them in three-year cycles. If we don't like one, we don't buy it. The Texans can dictate all they want what to put into their textbooks, we'll just buy from another company!:D
Like I said, it goes on all the time. Welcome to the wide world of education.:rolleyes:I thought you read the article!
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
I did, and if you're going to say that Texas dictates to all the other textbook companies, that's just not true. There are wide-ranging differences between them. I should know, I've looked at enough of them in my day.
They can make a textbook as religious and offensive as they want, no one will buy them.
They can make a textbook as religious and offensive as they want, no one will buy them.
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saint_;1290720 wrote: I did, and if you're going to say that Texas dictates to all the other textbook companies, that's just not true. There are wide-ranging differences between them. I should know, I've looked at enough of them in my day.
They can make a textbook as religious and offensive as they want, no one will buy them.So that part of the piece is factually wrong?
They can make a textbook as religious and offensive as they want, no one will buy them.So that part of the piece is factually wrong?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
Ahso!;1290721 wrote: So that part of the piece is factually wrong?
The part where they imply that these guys can "sneak" things into textbooks that are against the Constitution.
There doing what all evil people with an agenda try to do, be sneaky. That only goes so far, then they get found out and the jig is up. You found out about this, didn't you? It upset you, right? Well you can bet there are millions of others that got upset too.
The part where they imply that these guys can "sneak" things into textbooks that are against the Constitution.
There doing what all evil people with an agenda try to do, be sneaky. That only goes so far, then they get found out and the jig is up. You found out about this, didn't you? It upset you, right? Well you can bet there are millions of others that got upset too.
The Christian Foundation of America?
Saint_;1290736 wrote: The part where they imply that these guys can "sneak" things into textbooks that are against the Constitution.
There doing what all evil people with an agenda try to do, be sneaky. That only goes so far, then they get found out and the jig is up. You found out about this, didn't you? It upset you, right? Well you can bet there are millions of others that got upset too.You side stepped the question. You said you don't have to use the approved textbooks if you don't want to and I asked if that part of the piece which says you do, is factually wrong. You then replied with the above quote which is a different issue.
Are you saying that the part of the article which says these are the textbook teachers will be using is factually wrong? A simple yes or no will do.
There doing what all evil people with an agenda try to do, be sneaky. That only goes so far, then they get found out and the jig is up. You found out about this, didn't you? It upset you, right? Well you can bet there are millions of others that got upset too.You side stepped the question. You said you don't have to use the approved textbooks if you don't want to and I asked if that part of the piece which says you do, is factually wrong. You then replied with the above quote which is a different issue.
Are you saying that the part of the article which says these are the textbook teachers will be using is factually wrong? A simple yes or no will do.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Christian Foundation of America?
Ahso!;1290741 wrote:
Are you saying that the part of the article which says these are the textbook teachers will be using is factually wrong? A simple yes or no will do.
Yes. Districts can use any company, worldwide, that they want to. If a textbook is too inflammatory, lopsided, biased, or has an agenda, (and I've seen a few of those as we decided which to adopt) we don't buy them.
Honestly, I think that people are giving Texans more credit than they deserve. They can't rewrite history if we don't let them.
Are you saying that the part of the article which says these are the textbook teachers will be using is factually wrong? A simple yes or no will do.
Yes. Districts can use any company, worldwide, that they want to. If a textbook is too inflammatory, lopsided, biased, or has an agenda, (and I've seen a few of those as we decided which to adopt) we don't buy them.
Honestly, I think that people are giving Texans more credit than they deserve. They can't rewrite history if we don't let them.