hello so sorry i forgot to put an intro in so im just doing that now.
yes its that old seadog AA GRUMPY back again sailing the seven seas for a new story ( i never knew you were in the navy.. ed ) i wasnt i did a few crossings from dover to callais and back a few years ago... anyway im talking to the nice people of the FG ed so please sail off..
The failure to rehabilitate tens of thousands of serial criminals is costing £10bn a year, according to the National Audit Office.
Failure To Rehabilitate Serial Criminals Costs £10bn A Year, According To National Audit Office | Politics | Sky News
ahh the poor things thats why they now have all the comforts of home in prison.
there is a simple answer to this take away all the comforts as they have a better life inside than we do on the outside.
build more prisons make 12 months imprisonment mean 12 months in prison.
and make the thieving scumbags work for a living either outside in factories
farms etc or inside sewing mailbags for example or some other menial task
there is no need for them to sit in their cells idling the day away.
the prison service has been run by the beaurocrats and do gooders for too long.
norman stanley fletcher would love his porridge these days.
AAG
the failure of our prison system the AA grumpy column
the failure of our prison system the AA grumpy column
I think the simple answer would be to put those leg-bands on first time offenders, let them live at home and give them a curfew when they have to be indoors.
I think new offenders with lesser crimes can be turned into criminals when they're sent down because they can learn how to be 'better' criminals from the lags already inside.
I agree with you though, that they should all do something physical in payment for their crimes. They could pick up litter in towns, remove graffiti, etc. Even prisoners in jails (not murderers, etc, obviously!) could be taken out in teams and could dig up the ground ready to lay water or sewage pipes, etc, or lay railway tracks or build walls or fences where needed, in remote areas.
Hard manual work would give them a skill to build on when they are freed (eg., in bricklaying, road mending, etc.) and it would tire them out so they could return to prison each day to eat and sleep. At the moment they just seem to lie around waiting for their rellies to smuggle drugs in whilst they watch Sky tv, which basically only prepares them for joining the dole when they leave prison, so they can carry on doing the same thing!
I think new offenders with lesser crimes can be turned into criminals when they're sent down because they can learn how to be 'better' criminals from the lags already inside.
I agree with you though, that they should all do something physical in payment for their crimes. They could pick up litter in towns, remove graffiti, etc. Even prisoners in jails (not murderers, etc, obviously!) could be taken out in teams and could dig up the ground ready to lay water or sewage pipes, etc, or lay railway tracks or build walls or fences where needed, in remote areas.
Hard manual work would give them a skill to build on when they are freed (eg., in bricklaying, road mending, etc.) and it would tire them out so they could return to prison each day to eat and sleep. At the moment they just seem to lie around waiting for their rellies to smuggle drugs in whilst they watch Sky tv, which basically only prepares them for joining the dole when they leave prison, so they can carry on doing the same thing!
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I have to say here that not all prisoners are living In cosy cells with all the comforts of home.
One young man I visit every week has been In a maximum secure Unit for some time and nearly a year after being In there, he has barely nothing.
When he first went In, I fully expected him to have a pc, I pod etc etc ... all the things you read about In the tabloids yet It was far from the truth.
It took him six months just to earn enough stars to be able to wear his own trainers. He Is allowed One puzzle book a week and that Is It. He Is allowed one roast dinner a year. His cell is bare apart from letters and photographs of the family. He Is allowed two hours of TV a week and has no access to computers etc.
He has to under-take physical work each day to earn the credits to phone his family.
One young man I visit every week has been In a maximum secure Unit for some time and nearly a year after being In there, he has barely nothing.
When he first went In, I fully expected him to have a pc, I pod etc etc ... all the things you read about In the tabloids yet It was far from the truth.
It took him six months just to earn enough stars to be able to wear his own trainers. He Is allowed One puzzle book a week and that Is It. He Is allowed one roast dinner a year. His cell is bare apart from letters and photographs of the family. He Is allowed two hours of TV a week and has no access to computers etc.
He has to under-take physical work each day to earn the credits to phone his family.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1295842 wrote: I have to say here that not all prisoners are living In cosy cells with all the comforts of home.
One young man I visit every week has been In a maximum secure Unit for some time and nearly a year after being In there, he has barely nothing.
When he first went In, I fully expected him to have a pc, I pod etc etc ... all the things you read about In the tabloids yet It was far from the truth.
It took him six months just to earn enough stars to be able to wear his own trainers. He Is allowed One puzzle book a week and that Is It. He Is allowed one roast dinner a year. His cell is bare apart from letters and photographs of the family. He Is allowed two hours of TV a week and has no access to computers etc.
He has to under-take physical work each day to earn the credits to phone his family.
Don't conditions depend on the severity of the crime, or the alleged crime?
I do know that in some prisons, TVs are allowed in the cells, as there is not much time allowed for being out of the cell. I also have heard that if a prisoner accumulates sufficient 'plus points' and has been advanced in his privileges to a certain standard, he may even be allowed a telephone in his cell ! It seems that various 'luxuries' like a chair with a cushion can be earned by good behaviour over a set period of time, and so on.
I think the attitude with various prison governors is that if the inmates get too bored, or have too much hardship it can be counter productive and cause a certain amount of unrest with certain types of inmate, so they try to strike a reasonable 'happy medium'. Obviously these places are not intended to be 5 star hotels, but there is a certain level of humanity and care that has to be observed. The inmates are all aware of the 'points system' , so if they want improvement of their 'lot' they will have to earn it. Seems fair to me.
One young man I visit every week has been In a maximum secure Unit for some time and nearly a year after being In there, he has barely nothing.
When he first went In, I fully expected him to have a pc, I pod etc etc ... all the things you read about In the tabloids yet It was far from the truth.
It took him six months just to earn enough stars to be able to wear his own trainers. He Is allowed One puzzle book a week and that Is It. He Is allowed one roast dinner a year. His cell is bare apart from letters and photographs of the family. He Is allowed two hours of TV a week and has no access to computers etc.
He has to under-take physical work each day to earn the credits to phone his family.
Don't conditions depend on the severity of the crime, or the alleged crime?
I do know that in some prisons, TVs are allowed in the cells, as there is not much time allowed for being out of the cell. I also have heard that if a prisoner accumulates sufficient 'plus points' and has been advanced in his privileges to a certain standard, he may even be allowed a telephone in his cell ! It seems that various 'luxuries' like a chair with a cushion can be earned by good behaviour over a set period of time, and so on.
I think the attitude with various prison governors is that if the inmates get too bored, or have too much hardship it can be counter productive and cause a certain amount of unrest with certain types of inmate, so they try to strike a reasonable 'happy medium'. Obviously these places are not intended to be 5 star hotels, but there is a certain level of humanity and care that has to be observed. The inmates are all aware of the 'points system' , so if they want improvement of their 'lot' they will have to earn it. Seems fair to me.
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G#Gill;1295863 wrote: Don't conditions depend on the severity of the crime, or the alleged crime?
I do know that in some prisons, TVs are allowed in the cells, as there is not much time allowed for being out of the cell. I also have heard that if a prisoner accumulates sufficient 'plus points' and has been advanced in his privileges to a certain standard, he may even be allowed a telephone in his cell ! It seems that various 'luxuries' like a chair with a cushion can be earned by good behaviour over a set period of time, and so on.
I think the attitude with various prison governors is that if the inmates get too bored, or have too much hardship it can be counter productive and cause a certain amount of unrest with certain types of inmate, so they try to strike a reasonable 'happy medium'. Obviously these places are not intended to be 5 star hotels, but there is a certain level of humanity and care that has to be observed. The inmates are all aware of the 'points system' , so if they want improvement of their 'lot' they will have to earn it. Seems fair to me.
In my case...I was expecting the life-style given In the tabloids due to him being on remand. He Has not had his trial yet and has not been found guilty. I find his conditions harsh given that he may be found not guilty.
In this particular case also, I think his age Is a factor at just 16 year old. Much of his day Is taken up by physical work In the grounds and 4 hours education each day. I am very pleased that he has passed exams that he would never have got In Main-stream school. He does have use of a gym for two hours a day also and since being In, he has put on 2 stone In weight In muscle. He also Is studying Engineering In there.
The Prison has a high record Of Attempted suicide by the young In-Mates so It Is vital that they are kept very busy.
I do know that in some prisons, TVs are allowed in the cells, as there is not much time allowed for being out of the cell. I also have heard that if a prisoner accumulates sufficient 'plus points' and has been advanced in his privileges to a certain standard, he may even be allowed a telephone in his cell ! It seems that various 'luxuries' like a chair with a cushion can be earned by good behaviour over a set period of time, and so on.
I think the attitude with various prison governors is that if the inmates get too bored, or have too much hardship it can be counter productive and cause a certain amount of unrest with certain types of inmate, so they try to strike a reasonable 'happy medium'. Obviously these places are not intended to be 5 star hotels, but there is a certain level of humanity and care that has to be observed. The inmates are all aware of the 'points system' , so if they want improvement of their 'lot' they will have to earn it. Seems fair to me.
In my case...I was expecting the life-style given In the tabloids due to him being on remand. He Has not had his trial yet and has not been found guilty. I find his conditions harsh given that he may be found not guilty.
In this particular case also, I think his age Is a factor at just 16 year old. Much of his day Is taken up by physical work In the grounds and 4 hours education each day. I am very pleased that he has passed exams that he would never have got In Main-stream school. He does have use of a gym for two hours a day also and since being In, he has put on 2 stone In weight In muscle. He also Is studying Engineering In there.
The Prison has a high record Of Attempted suicide by the young In-Mates so It Is vital that they are kept very busy.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon