The 2012 Enigma

[TruthBringer]

The 2012 Enigma by David Wilcock

[TruthBringer]

Perhaps one of the most interesting things about Edgar Cayce was that he himself gave a reading that stated that he would reincarnate back into the Earth sometime in the very near future after he died. So the interesting thing about David Wilcock is that he himself believes that he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce (I haven't made up my mind as to whether I believe this or not), but....what is interesting as well is the fact that he met with Edgar Cayce's son before he passed away and what Edgar Cayce's son had told him was that he had never seen anyone else come as close to convincing him that they were Edgar Cayce's reincarnation as did David Wilcock.

Either way, the guy knows his ****. He's a very interesting, honest, loving, smart individual who appears to have Humanity's and the World's best interest in mind. So for that I have to give him his respect.

[Snowfire]

I humoured you for 20 minutes. Couldnt take any more

Arse gravy. A mish mash of unconnected "scientific" flotsam and jetsom. As soon as someone tells me he doesnt believe a complex corn circle was done by a couple of students, I have to switch off. Come on for goodness sake !!

Wikipedia is full of crackpot theories about predictions surrounding 2012 and they all seem as daft as one another.

[TruthBringer]

Snowfire;1302427 wrote: I humoured you for 20 minutes. Couldnt take any more

Arse gravy. A mish mash of unconnected "scientific" flotsam and jetsom. As soon as someone tells me he doesnt believe a complex corn circle was done by a couple of students, I have to switch off. Come on for goodness sake !!

Wikipedia is full of crackpot theories about predictions surrounding 2012 and they all seem as daft as one another.


I don't know what "arse gravy" is, but I am sorry you weren't as impressed by this movie as I was. It's groundbreaking in my opinion.

[TruthBringer]

Mr. Wilcock claims that much of the information related to the symbolism/third eye information came from 7 different independent black operations witnesses who all seemed to correlate with each other identically when they gave David his information. He said he was the first person ever in history to release this information, and that this is highly secretive stuff here.

[hoppy]

Interesting.

[TruthBringer]

One main thing I disagree with him totally on though is the fact that he does not believe that we will experience catastrophic consequences of the Pole-Shift as we approach December 21st, 2012. Now that was 2 years ago when he stated that of course, but I have since then personally witnessed events that match up almost literally perfectly with what Edgar Cayce had predicted about the roughly 14 year period from 1998-December 21st, 2012, and what would happen as we got closer and closer to the New Age of Light (the beginning of another 26,000 year cycle).

So other than that, I also find alot of what he says fascinating. But I disagree with him that there will be no catastrophic consequences for places in the United States and around the World as the Pole-Shift begins to accelerate. We are already experiencing catastrophic consequences in terms of damage to property, etc., all around the United States. I would also highly advise for him to move out of Los Angeles where he jokingly said he wouldn't live if he thought something was going to happen. Well....I'm sure the people of Haiti felt the same way, but it wasn't funny at all when the big Earthquake finally struck there. Although I have a funny feeling that somehow someway he will find himself far from Cali when the next big quake actually strikes.

But man, either way, what a video.

[TruthBringer]

What I agree with him 100% on though is what he believes also which is that once we hit December 21st, 2012, there is going to be what he calls a "100 times more Harmonious Utopian World." That's going to be the last section of my thread in the Warfare and Military section and I totally agree with him on that.

[beowulf]

TruthBringer;1302428 wrote: I don't know what "arse gravy" is,


same as bullshit

which is what i think of it all too

[TruthBringer]

One thing I would like to make very clear to anyone who might think that by me posting about catastrophic Earth changes that Edgar Cayce himself had predicted for the World right now in our current time period and that by doing that that I am trying to be negative (which is completely false), is that I don't wish for a single person to be killed or lose their life during this process. I don't want a single person to die. Now with that said, I would also like to add simultaneously to that the fact that I do wish with all my heart that Evil be eradicated from the planet, and that I too am hoping for that very same thing to occur beginning on December 21st, 2012. Sort of like a "pop" in the Earth's vibrational frequency, and an acceleration to a higher level of vibration, which would therefore eliminate almost all negativity for a specific amount of time (perhaps for 1,000 years as Jesus hinted at with His 1,000 years of peace scripture). Now, if that means that evil entities will have to perish in physical form, through means of physical death, than I say so be it, and I'll let Mother Nature handle that, but I don't wish for a single positive entity to be eliminated from our World. And I'll explain why I think that very few of them will be in the next paragraph.

Ruth Montgomery, another famous seer who gave predictions through a technique called automatic writing, stated in her writings that there will very soon come an American President who will "migrate the people of the World to safer lands" during what she described as the effects of a catastrophic Pole-Shift. It is my personal belief that this person is about to take office in the next 2 years (in 2012). I do believe that whoever becomes President of the United States in 2012, that that is going to be the very person that Ruth Montgomery spoke of, who was destined to take Human form on this planet for that exact reason, to migrate people away from dangerous areas and cluster them into the safer areas around the World (especially in the United States of America). This person I do believe (the person who takes office in 2012) already knows of their purpose, and they are simply waiting for their moment of opportunity. This I believe with no doubt in my mind.

Of course, whoever the person is going to be is still up in the air, and that we won't begin to know who it is until probably on election day. But one thing I do know is by the time the next American President takes office, there will be so many natural disasters going on around the World that people will definitely be looking to a leader to guide them in the right direction. This time is not very far away, and so I look forward to whoever it's going to be.

[beowulf]

ive had to wiki Montgomery

Ruth Shick Montgomery (June 11, 1912 – June 10, 2001) was a self-described Christian psychic in the tradition of Jeane Dixon and Edgar Cayce. She was a biographer of Dixon and a protégée of Arthur Ford who claimed he (like Cayce) could access the Akashic Records (or database) of the Universe.

Montgomery initially believed her mission on Earth was to educate the public on her belief in life after death, which is common among spiritualists. However, she also studied reincarnation and came to believe that mental and physical illnesses often have their origins in past lives.

With other like-minded mystics, Montgomery founded the Association for Past Life Research and Therapy. Her many books (which she says were channelled via Automatic writing from her spirit guides) popularised spiritualist notions in public consciousness in the 1970s through the 1990s, and paved the way for what is now known as New Age religion. Montgomery is particularly noted for her popularization of walk-in theory whereby a person's soul can depart a hurt or anguished body and be replaced with a new soul to take over the body.

Montgomery predicted in the 1970s (allegedly with the help of her spirit guides) that World War III would begin in the mid-1980s when a brush-fire war, started by Ethiopian strongman Mengistu Haile Mariam, would spread first to the Middle East, and then Europe. Montgomery's "Guides" allegedly stated quite clearly that humans have free will and can make their own decisions regarding their destiny, and during the late 1970s and early 1980s, in fact changed the future, preventing the war.









what a bunch of ****ing *****!.....another tin foil hat candidate!

how can you make a prediction and when it dosnt happen you say 'oh well...we have free will and made decisions so it wouldnt happen'

****ing bullshit, all of it

about time you woke up and got a life instead of reading all this claptrap

[TruthBringer]

I should also add that both Jeane Dixon and Nostradamus appear to have written about the same person I mentioned above as well. Nostradamus even went as far as to write that the person will be born on what he called "Amerique (very close to American) soil" and that they will travel all across the globe in the name of peace. Nostradamus also hinted at the fact that this person will be born under 1 of the 3 water signs in Astrology, which would have to make them either a Cancer, a Scorpio, or a Pisces if Nostradamus was correct.

[TruthBringer]

beowulf;1302447 wrote: ive had to wiki Montgomery

Ruth Shick Montgomery (June 11, 1912 – June 10, 2001) was a self-described Christian psychic in the tradition of Jeane Dixon and Edgar Cayce. She was a biographer of Dixon and a protégée of Arthur Ford who claimed he (like Cayce) could access the Akashic Records (or database) of the Universe.

Montgomery initially believed her mission on Earth was to educate the public on her belief in life after death, which is common among spiritualists. However, she also studied reincarnation and came to believe that mental and physical illnesses often have their origins in past lives.

With other like-minded mystics, Montgomery founded the Association for Past Life Research and Therapy. Her many books (which she says were channelled via Automatic writing from her spirit guides) popularised spiritualist notions in public consciousness in the 1970s through the 1990s, and paved the way for what is now known as New Age religion. Montgomery is particularly noted for her popularization of walk-in theory whereby a person's soul can depart a hurt or anguished body and be replaced with a new soul to take over the body.

Montgomery predicted in the 1970s (allegedly with the help of her spirit guides) that World War III would begin in the mid-1980s when a brush-fire war, started by Ethiopian strongman Mengistu Haile Mariam, would spread first to the Middle East, and then Europe. Montgomery's "Guides" allegedly stated quite clearly that humans have free will and can make their own decisions regarding their destiny, and during the late 1970s and early 1980s, in fact changed the future, preventing the war.









what a bunch of ****ing *****!.....another tin foil hat candidate!

how can you make a prediction and when it dosnt happen you say 'oh well...we have free will and made decisions so it wouldnt happen'

****ing bullshit, all of it

about time you woke up and got a life instead of reading all this claptrap


It's important not to focus too much on dates and times when it comes to real psychic predictions, because time as we experience it is so hard to pin down due to the fact that Human consciousness interacts with it and in some ways even shapes it, as well as the fact that in other dimensions time does not exist like it does here, so when they tap into those dimensions, it's very hard for them to try and grasp an exact time when an event is going to occur, and so as I have mentioned many times, they are almost always wrong when they try to give an exact date/time, but are almost always right as far as the prediction was concerned. Though they are not perfect, and are bound to make mistakes just like any Human would.

[TruthBringer]

Another thing to add is that they are usually just as bad with names and faces when it comes to predicting the future as they are with trying to place their predictions into specific time slots. So I never expect so see the exact person they said would end up doing something end up actually doing it, partially because of the fact that the person also has the gift of Free Will, which can alter that person's future direction as well.

So it would be wise for a person following their predictions to focus more on the events than to focus on people, names, and times.

[TruthBringer]

Jeane Dixon referred to this person who I believe will take office in 2012 as "The Peacemaker" and Nostradamus referred to this person as "One who will make Thursday their Holy Day." Nostradamus also hinted that "Under (this person) peace will be proclaimed everywhere."

[beowulf]

so..... a prediction that cant predict that something will happen and cant predict when it will happen and cant predict who will be involved or when, is still to be believed?...its not a prediction is it?



its a load of bollocks

[beowulf]

oh yeah......the jeane dixon effect

John Allen Paulos, a mathematician at Temple University, coined the term "the Jeane Dixon effect", which refers to a tendency to promote a few correct predictions while ignoring a larger number of incorrect predictions.[4] Many of Dixon's predictions proved false, such as her claims that a dispute over the offshore Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu would trigger the start of World War III in 1958, that Walter Reuther, an American labor union leader, would run for President of the United States in the 1964 presidential election and that the Russians would be the first to put men on the moon.



by the way......Jeane has an 'e' in it......:rolleyes:

[TruthBringer]

beowulf;1302461 wrote:

by the way......Jeane has an 'e' in it......:rolleyes:


lol. Yes thank you, I tend to go with the E sometimes and then forget about it at others. I'll go ahead and change that right now.

[Snowfire]

TruthBringer;1302453 wrote: Another thing to add is that they are usually just as bad with names and faces when it comes to predicting the future as they are with trying to place their predictions into specific time slots. So I never expect so see the exact person they said would end up doing something end up actually doing it, partially because of the fact that the person also has the gift of Free Will, which can alter that person's future direction as well.

So it would be wise for a person following their predictions to focus more on the events than to focus on people, names, and times.


So you can only confirm the prediction once it has occured. Thats very convenient. Surley by nature, predictions must be specific with times, names and faces

We knew something was going to happen, just not when and to who but when it does, I'll let you know that, that was the event that I meant.

Is there going to be an epic, catostrophic event in the future ? Sure. No question about it. I dont need to prophesise to know that. It pretty much certain SOMETHING will happen. Its a cop out to suggest "specific time slots" usually fall short of expectation. How many times have we been told that "The end of the World is nigh " ? They've all been and gone and so will the rest - at least untill the scientists forecast something catastrophic.

Taking all that into consideration, how do we marry up these predicted events with 2012 ? Especially given that a vast majority of accredited scientists agree that no earth shattering event is going to happen. It's a NON event, isn't it ?

[TruthBringer]

Snowfire;1302464 wrote: So you can only confirm the prediction once it has occured. Thats very convenient. Surley by nature, predictions must be specific with times, names and faces

We knew something was going to happen, just not when and to who but when it does, I'll let you know that, that was the event that I meant.

Is there going to be an epic, catostrophic event in the future ? Sure. No question about it. I dont need to prophesise to know that. It pretty much certain SOMETHING will happen. Its a cop out to suggest "specific time slots" usually fall short of expectation. How many times have we been told that "The end of the World is nigh " ? They've all been and gone and so will the rest - at least untill the scientists forecast something catastrophic.

Taking all that into consideration, how do we marry up these predicted events with 2012 ? Especially given that a vast majority of accredited scientists agree that no earth shattering event is going to happen. It's a NON event, isn't it ?


Events themselves are big enough that it's very hard to misinterpret their occurrence. Take for example what the other person just posted about Jeane Dixon's prediction about her claims that a dispute over the offshore Chinese islands of Quemoy and Matsu would trigger the start of World War III. See now obviously the date she listed for it was way off. However, the prediction itself is still a major possibility. The names of the islands may indeed be off as well, but it might just turn out that islands will be a major factor in that part of the World if World War 3 does ignite.

So the event itself is fairly easy for them to see, but trying to pinpoint an exact name and or exact person/place is much harder to interpret.