Question for Non Americans
Question for Non Americans
How do you feel about U.S. support of and to Israel in the past and now with the apparent new Obama approach?
Question for Non Americans
I find the fact that the US gives a third of all it's aid to Israel and Egypt astounding...........
Not up to date with any Obama changes.
Not up to date with any Obama changes.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Lon;1304916 wrote: How do you feel about U.S. support of and to Israel in the past and now with the apparent new Obama approach?
It depends on what "the apparent new Obama approach" means. All I can do to help the thread start is put in some current news quotes. What's the "new" bit we're considering here?The relationship between Israel and the U.S. "will only be strengthened in the months and years to come," Obama said in a special statement. "Minutes after David Ben-Gurion declared Israel's independence, realizing the dream of a state for the Jewish people in their historic homeland, the United States became the first country to recognize Israel," Obama said. "To this day, we continue to share a strong, unbreakable bond of friendship between our two nations, anchored by the United States' enduring commitment to Israel's security," Obama continued.
That's from today's World leaders congratulate Israel on Independence Day - Haaretz - Israel News
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reaffirmed the strong relationship between the United States and Israel in a video message for Israel's Independence Day. She said, "Congratulations Israel on 62 years of independence! This is an opportunity to celebrate all that Israel has accomplished and to reaffirm the bonds that unite our two nations—our strategic partnership, our shared values, and our common aspirations. I have a deep personal commitment to Israel, and so does President Obama," Clinton continued. “Our nation will not waver in protecting Israel's security and promoting Israel's future. That is why pursuing peace and recognized borders for Israel is one of our top priorities.
Clinton, in the name of the Obama administration, called for a comprehensive peace in the Middle East "that provides Israelis, Palestinians, and all the people of the region security, prosperity, and the opportunity to live up to their full God-given potential. The United States will continue to stand with you, sharing your risks and helping shoulder your burdens, as we face the future together," she concluded.
Clinton's offers encouraging speech for Israeli Independence Day
On Sunday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States "will not waver in protecting Israel's security and promoting Israel's future," while noting while the Jewish state is "confronting some of the greatest challenges in its history, but its promise and potential have never been greater." Clinton also pointed out that in 1948 it took President Harry Truman just 11 minutes to recognize the state of Israel. "And ever since, the United States has stood with you in solidarity."
AFP: Obama affirms 'unbreakable' US-Israel ties
It depends on what "the apparent new Obama approach" means. All I can do to help the thread start is put in some current news quotes. What's the "new" bit we're considering here?The relationship between Israel and the U.S. "will only be strengthened in the months and years to come," Obama said in a special statement. "Minutes after David Ben-Gurion declared Israel's independence, realizing the dream of a state for the Jewish people in their historic homeland, the United States became the first country to recognize Israel," Obama said. "To this day, we continue to share a strong, unbreakable bond of friendship between our two nations, anchored by the United States' enduring commitment to Israel's security," Obama continued.
That's from today's World leaders congratulate Israel on Independence Day - Haaretz - Israel News
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reaffirmed the strong relationship between the United States and Israel in a video message for Israel's Independence Day. She said, "Congratulations Israel on 62 years of independence! This is an opportunity to celebrate all that Israel has accomplished and to reaffirm the bonds that unite our two nations—our strategic partnership, our shared values, and our common aspirations. I have a deep personal commitment to Israel, and so does President Obama," Clinton continued. “Our nation will not waver in protecting Israel's security and promoting Israel's future. That is why pursuing peace and recognized borders for Israel is one of our top priorities.
Clinton, in the name of the Obama administration, called for a comprehensive peace in the Middle East "that provides Israelis, Palestinians, and all the people of the region security, prosperity, and the opportunity to live up to their full God-given potential. The United States will continue to stand with you, sharing your risks and helping shoulder your burdens, as we face the future together," she concluded.
Clinton's offers encouraging speech for Israeli Independence Day
On Sunday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States "will not waver in protecting Israel's security and promoting Israel's future," while noting while the Jewish state is "confronting some of the greatest challenges in its history, but its promise and potential have never been greater." Clinton also pointed out that in 1948 it took President Harry Truman just 11 minutes to recognize the state of Israel. "And ever since, the United States has stood with you in solidarity."
AFP: Obama affirms 'unbreakable' US-Israel ties
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Question for Non Americans
I think the relationship between the USA and Israel is fine. They are strong allies and there is nothing wrong with that.
What annoys people is the then opposite treatment that Palestinians get and how they are trampled on regularly.
Draw up borders and recognize Palestine as a country and put an end to the years of hatred between them.
What annoys people is the then opposite treatment that Palestinians get and how they are trampled on regularly.
Draw up borders and recognize Palestine as a country and put an end to the years of hatred between them.
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I would imagine that because it is Christianity that truly influences the way America deals with Israel, that it wouldn't matter if a person was non American because there are Christians in every part of the World and therefore those Christians would most likely have a favoring attitude between the relations between the United States and Israel, or any relations between any country and Israel for that matter. So I think this question would be better asked if it was posed to non Christians rather than non Americans.
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TruthBringer;1304966 wrote: Christians would most likely have a favoring attitude between the relations between the United States and Israel, or any relations between any country and Israel for that matter.
I suspect you'll find that there are many Christians who identify and sympathize far more with the shamefully abused Palestinians than with the Apartheid government of Israel under its current laws. It's a proper Christian response in the face of brutality and naked power.
Has anyone a notion of what "the apparent new Obama approach" is?
I suspect you'll find that there are many Christians who identify and sympathize far more with the shamefully abused Palestinians than with the Apartheid government of Israel under its current laws. It's a proper Christian response in the face of brutality and naked power.
Has anyone a notion of what "the apparent new Obama approach" is?
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
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spot;1304970 wrote: I suspect you'll find that there are many Christians who identify and sympathize far more with the shamefully abused Palestinians than with the Apartheid government of Israel under its current laws. It's a proper Christian response in the face of brutality and naked power.
Has anyone a notion of what "the apparent new Obama approach" is?I'm waiting for Lon to explain it. He put it out there.
While I think Obama personally dislikes the official policy of the U.S., I doubt he can actually change it. Israel is deeply embedded in American politics.
Bill Clinton was an Israeli slave, but I had the impression that Hillary saw things differently - now I'm not so sure, though she has to speak in an official capacity. The issue between Israel and Palestine won't be resolved as long as Israel continues to sabotage every effort made.
Has anyone a notion of what "the apparent new Obama approach" is?I'm waiting for Lon to explain it. He put it out there.
While I think Obama personally dislikes the official policy of the U.S., I doubt he can actually change it. Israel is deeply embedded in American politics.
Bill Clinton was an Israeli slave, but I had the impression that Hillary saw things differently - now I'm not so sure, though she has to speak in an official capacity. The issue between Israel and Palestine won't be resolved as long as Israel continues to sabotage every effort made.
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Ahso!;1304972 wrote: The issue between Israel and Palestine won't be resolved as long as Israel continues to sabotage every effort made.The issue between Israel and Palestine won't be resolved as long as money finds its way from US sources, both governmental and private, to prop up the Israeli economy and bolster its ability to kill, dispossess and eject Palestinian residents from within the Mandate borders.
I'm hoping we can keep the thread for its intended discussion.
I'm hoping we can keep the thread for its intended discussion.
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TruthBringer;1304966 wrote: I would imagine that because it is Christianity that truly influences the way America deals with Israel, that it wouldn't matter if a person was non American because there are Christians in every part of the World and therefore those Christians would most likely have a favoring attitude between the relations between the United States and Israel, or any relations between any country and Israel for that matter. So I think this question would be better asked if it was posed to non Christians rather than non Americans.
Very good point
Very good point
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Lon;1304916 wrote: How do you feel about U.S. support of and to Israel in the past and now with the apparent new Obama approach?
When the US government make so much of Iraq and Iran not abiding by UN mandates is is hypocritical of then to support Israel's position in breach of UN mandates.
For this reason I find America's former unquestioning support of the Israeli government to be offensive and the recent pressure they've used to try and restrict the illegal settlements a refreshing change.
When the US government make so much of Iraq and Iran not abiding by UN mandates is is hypocritical of then to support Israel's position in breach of UN mandates.
For this reason I find America's former unquestioning support of the Israeli government to be offensive and the recent pressure they've used to try and restrict the illegal settlements a refreshing change.
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It just seems to me that Obama, more than any past U.S. president is willing to put more pressure on Israel re: the Palestinian issue and less inclined to support Israel on all issues as in the past
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I have always felt personally that the U.S. has supported Israel to a fault and destroyed any chance of improving relations with the rest of the Middle East. It's OK for Israel to have Atomic weaponry, but not other Middle East nations?
Obama seems to be more willing to apply pressure on Israel to bring about change.
I also have felt that for the most part--------people outside the U.S. were not that keen about the amount of support the U.S. has given and continues to give to Israel.
My OP is an attempt to confirm this-------------I may be wrong.
I think many share Bryn Mawr's thinking on this.
Obama seems to be more willing to apply pressure on Israel to bring about change.
I also have felt that for the most part--------people outside the U.S. were not that keen about the amount of support the U.S. has given and continues to give to Israel.
My OP is an attempt to confirm this-------------I may be wrong.
I think many share Bryn Mawr's thinking on this.