yob throws brick at 4 year old girl

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:44 pm

A FOUR-YEAR-OLD girl is lucky to be alive — after she was knocked out when a thug threw a BRICK at her head.

Jersey-Lou Perry was left unconscious with a broken nose and shards of glass embedded in her face after a gang attacked her dad's van when he asked them to stop kicking a ball at it.

The little girl was horrifically injured when one yob lobbed a brick through the window of the van — hitting the youngster in the face and showering her with pieces of glass.

Yob hits girl, 4, in face with brick | The Sun |News

AAG

is this what the worlds coming to i dispair.

i hope someone has the courage to grass this rat up to the police in the name of decency so he can be named shamed and jailed for the lowlife that he is yet ken clarke and co want softer sentences for criminals.

will this scum be brought to justice somehow i cannot see that happening can you ?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:46 pm

the grumps;1357916 wrote: A FOUR-YEAR-OLD girl is lucky to be alive — after she was knocked out when a thug threw a BRICK at her head.

Jersey-Lou Perry was left unconscious with a broken nose and shards of glass embedded in her face after a gang attacked her dad's van when he asked them to stop kicking a ball at it.

The little girl was horrifically injured when one yob lobbed a brick through the window of the van — hitting the youngster in the face and showering her with pieces of glass.

Yob hits girl, 4, in face with brick | The Sun |News

AAG

is this what the worlds coming to i dispair.

i hope someone has the courage to grass this rat up to the police in the name of decency so he can be named shamed and jailed for the lowlife that he is yet ken clarke and co want softer sentences for criminals.

will this scum be brought to justice somehow i cannot see that happening can you ?

oh my god, that poor little girl just looks horrifying!

I pray they catch that ******* and give him what he deserves!:-5

This world has changed in the past 15 years and its not going to get any better, sad having so many individuals that think they rule!

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:54 pm

awful and terribly sad poor little girl I hope she recovers. The people who did this cowardly act should have bricks thrown at their heads.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:47 am

Little feckers, they should be shot with balls of their own shyte..

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:24 am

Except that doesn´t really help much, does it. We´d like a society where this doesn´t happen, why not create one? It involves, by definition, societal change. I´m all for it. 17 year old dropouts hanging around street corners in Grimsby is a simple economic consequence of not having full employment. Full employment is the business of government, not of plonkers on street corners.

I note, by the way, that the suspect will be in court tomorrow. We created him, now we´re going to crucify him. Yes he´s a div but he didn´t start out that way.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:43 am

spot;1357979 wrote: Except that doesn´t really help much, does it. We´d like a society where this doesn´t happen, why not create one? It involves, by definition, societal change. I´m all for it. 17 year old dropouts hanging around street corners in Grimsby is a simple economic consequence of not having full employment. Full employment is the business of government, not of plonkers on street corners.

I note, by the way, that the suspect will be in court tomorrow. We created him, now we´re going to crucify him. Yes he´s a div but he didn´t start out that way.

Bollocks to that one. While i agree with you up to a point I don't care how deprived a background they come from there is no excuse for that kind of behaviour. To imply they are somehow not responsible for their actions is incredibly patronisiong and an insult to all those from similar backgrounds who DON'T turn out as thugs despite being unable to get a job. You're basically writing off a whole section of society as being incapable of rising above their surroundings.

Post by **spot** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:33 am

That's the only get-out from societal abnegation for responsibility that I've ever heard, and it gets trotted out every single time. The simple fact is that were society better able to bring up all its children, street clowns like this one would be a damn sight rarer. You may well be right that this particular prat would have been at it lobbing half-bricks regardless, but we'd have far fewer like him. I'm saying that a whole section of society would be more capable of rising above their surroundings if their surroundings were better suited to their needs and abilities.

This particular chap, if it's who the murmur on the web says it is, is so far off beam he might as well be stuck in Broadmoor for the next fifty years, but that's irrelevant to the point I raised.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:01 pm

mikeinie;1357977 wrote: Little feckers, they should be shot with balls of their own shyte..

amen Mike.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:20 am

Here we are - BBC News - Grimsby brick charge boy held in custody - remanded to appear next Wednesday. Remanded in custody means he's under lock and key. If it really is KR then there'll be an almighty row at his being loose in the first place I expect. Grimsby had its own Fagin up until last year and KR was one of his stars - the discussion won't just be about oafish idiots any longer.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:26 am

spot;1357988 wrote: That's the only get-out from societal abnegation for responsibility that I've ever heard, and it gets trotted out every single time. The simple fact is that were society better able to bring up all its children, street clowns like this one would be a damn sight rarer. You may well be right that this particular prat would have been at it lobbing half-bricks regardless, but we'd have far fewer like him. I'm saying that a whole section of society would be more capable of rising above their surroundings if their surroundings were better suited to their needs and abilities.

This particular chap, if it's who the murmur on the web says it is, is so far off beam he might as well be stuck in Broadmoor for the next fifty years, but that's irrelevant to the point I raised.

You may have a valid point to make but at the end of the day we are all responsible for what we do no matter what kind of background we come from. The vast majority of kids this age in these kind of areas are decent hard working people who just want to get on with their lives. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for thugs like this and if he doesn't understand why throwing bricks at a van is not acceptable and that intimidating people with a crowd of his mates is not something he should not be doing no amount of counselling will help him. Poor dear he's had a hard upbringing just doesn't excuse it.

the grumps · Post by **the grumps** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:23 pm

spot;1358001 wrote: Here we are - BBC News - Grimsby brick charge boy held in custody - remanded to appear next Wednesday. Remanded in custody means he's under lock and key. If it really is KR then there'll be an almighty row at his being loose in the first place I expect. Grimsby had its own Fagin up until last year and KR was one of his stars - the discussion won't just be about oafish idiots any longer.

spot if you and gmc have finished bickering on my column the good news is that this ratbag is under lock and key hopefully recieving his just deserts.

at least someone has had the courage to grass this thug up to the police.

i hope a long custodial sentence from the crown court follows the period of remand.

infact i dare say that a substantial custodial sentence is in the offing otherwise they would not have remanded him make sense ????

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:21 pm

He's in jail for his own protection, according to the magistrate who sent him there.

Grimsby had a thieves' den until last year, based around a car-wash. It's said he was one of the children involved in that, in which case he's already notorious round those parts.

Delorean · Post by **Delorean** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:41 pm

Wow, how sad, and what a poor little girl. It's not just the physical side, it'll probably affect her psychologically too.

We have thugs like this here as well. They seemed to pop up more when the law stopped us being allowed to discipline our kids. Now we're looking at a society full of wayward youths and there's nothing we can do because neither we nor the law are allowed to touch them. And it's not always due to their upbringing, a lot of feral youths have come from decent backgrounds, they just think they can do stuff because noone is allowed to stop them.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:58 pm

Delorean;1358035 wrote: Wow, how sad, and what a poor little girl. It's not just the physical side, it'll probably affect her psychologically too.

It's odd what bothers people when it comes to damaged children. In the UK, for example, children comparable to that one would be damaged at least that badly in a road accident every single day. Quite a proportion of those wouldn't even survive. Nobody makes the slightest fuss about that - it seems to be a price happily paid in order to own a car. Bung a half-brick at a van you just had an argument with though, and all hell breaks loose if it ends up knocking teeth from one.

Intention is irrelevant as far as "It's not just the physical side, it'll probably affect her psychologically too" is concerned, and yet it seems to be all that matters when it comes to getting on a high horse. I think we should have an equally high horse about traffic casualties.

Delorean · Post by **Delorean** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:43 am

Yes, you are right. I guess it's that there's a story, a picture, a name, that makes it hit home more. I know we should feel the same way about traffic casualties, well, I'm pretty sure most do, I guess the outcry would be more if those tragedies were publicised like this one.

Post by **spot** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:01 am

Could we express a guess as to whether the lout intended the damage, rather than just to bounce a brick off the van following the disagreement with the driver? I can't see it as remotely likely he intended even the broken window much less scratching an occupant. Just as a driver has no intention of pranging his car, to make the comparison clear.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:23 am

thanks the grumps, good to know he's locked up.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:46 pm

spot;1358040 wrote: Could we express a guess as to whether the lout intended the damage, rather than just to bounce a brick off the van following the disagreement with the driver? I can't see it as remotely likely he intended even the broken window much less scratching an occupant. Just as a driver has no intention of pranging his car, to make the comparison clear.

As a real life comparison, one of the lads was idly throwing live coals from the barbie into the river to watch the explosions when he accidentally threw one through the open window of his own boat and burnt the brand new carpet he'd just laid.

Compare that to a thicko jumping out from behind a wall and, whilst on the move, throwing a brick at a van that was also on the move.

Sure, he's a yob and needs to be done for criminal damage but to suggest that he deliberately threw the brick at the child's head with the intention of injuring her is stretching the truth beyond breaking point in order to get a good headline.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:26 am

the grumps;1358024 wrote: spot if you and gmc have finished bickering on my column the good news is that this ratbag is under lock and key hopefully recieving his just deserts.

at least someone has had the courage to grass this thug up to the police.

i hope a long custodial sentence from the crown court follows the period of remand.

infact i dare say that a substantial custodial sentence is in the offing otherwise they would not have remanded him make sense ????

Bickering implies a childish quarrel whereas we are having a disagreement about what I presume was the main point of your thread - to discuss is this what the worlds coming to i dispair.

i hope someone has the courage to grass this rat up to the police in the name of decency so he can be named shamed and jailed for the lowlife that he is yet ken clarke and co want softer sentences for criminals.

will this scum be brought to justice somehow i cannot see that happening can you ?

The decline of society and what you seem to view as being the result of softer attitudes to criminals. If you donlt want people to bicker, discuss, disagree etc etc on your thrterads then make it clear that you are only having a rant and don't actually want anyone to comment.

posted by spot

Could we express a guess as to whether the lout intended the damage, rather than just to bounce a brick off the van following the disagreement with the driver? I can't see it as remotely likely he intended even the broken window much less scratching an occupant. Just as a driver has no intention of pranging his car, to make the comparison clear.

The comparison sucks. There is a world of difference between someone pranging their car as the result of gross stupidity and deliberately driving straight it at someone with intent to run them over. You don't pick up a brick and accidentally throw it at someone - your intention is to cause deliberate damage to someone. The intent is clearly very different and quite probably he would have thrown it whether they were in a car or not. Maybe he might have not thrown it at a child but it's reasonable assumption he intended to damage the adult that a child got hit insterad doesn't make him any more or less culpable.

I suppose if some yobo drops a brick on your car from an overhead walkway on the motorway you will just laugh and look on it as harmless fun with no real malicious intent - it's like throwing stones at a window to them the poor dears don't realise the damage they could do.