Here you are America.... He's all yours

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:17 pm

Abu Hamza to be extradited to US - Channel 4 News

Good riddance to him.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:21 pm

errrr, thanx, I guess. :-3

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:26 pm

AnneBoleyn;1405424 wrote: errrr, thanx, I guess. :-3 At least America will dish him the justice he deserves and not the lilly livered bunch of the European courts that he's exploited for years trying to squirm out of facing his crimes under his oooooman rights.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:40 pm

Many conservative Americans say the same things about our courts. What makes you believe the American Judicial system is any more fierce than yours, Oscar?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:47 pm

Ahso!;1405431 wrote: Many conservative Americans say the same things about our courts. What makes you believe the American Judicial system is any more fierce than yours, Oscar?

Depending on what state he lands In and Is tried In.... he could face the death penalty... we can't do that here.

eta.... maybe not

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... quest.html

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:16 pm

I believe he'd be subject to our federal court system, or even perhaps a special court for terrorists, if any court at all for that matter. Our government might just throw him in Gitmo for a few decades without any trials at all.

I'd prefer innocent until proven guilty though, even for suspected terrorists. Which means I'd prefer he have access to our court system to it's fullest measure.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:22 pm

Ahso!;1405437 wrote: I believe he'd be subject to our federal court system, or even perhaps a special court for terrorists, if any court at all for that matter. Our government might just throw him in Gitmo for a few decades without any trials at all.

I'd prefer innocent until proven guilty though, even for suspected terrorists. Which means I'd prefer he have access to our court system to it's fullest measure.

And why do you think he's In a UK prison already?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:28 pm

They're terrorist suspects, no?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:31 pm

Ahso!;1405439 wrote: They're terrorist suspects, no? Hamza Is not a suspect. He has been convicted. Guilty of six charges of soliciting to murder under the Offences against the Person Act 1861; not guilty on three further such charges.

He Is not a suspect... he Is a convicted terrorist.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:39 pm

That doesn't mean he's guilty of any crimes here. We're not going to adjudicate UK charges. The only reason for extradition is so he can stand trial for crimes against the US, not the UK. The article you linked refers to him as an "alleged terrorist".

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:45 pm

Ahso!;1405441 wrote: That doesn't mean he's guilty of any crimes here. We're not going to adjudicate UK charges. The only reason for extradition is so he can stand trial for crimes against the US, not the UK. The article you linked refers to him as an "alleged terrorist". Convicted here... alleged In the USA.

Yes, he has to stand trial In the USA.

Radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza and terror suspect Babar Ahmad lose extradition appeal - Home News - UK - The Independent

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:59 pm

I don't know why we would want these guys. Seriously folks, I don't get it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:24 am

flopstock;1405458 wrote: I don't know why we would want these guys. Seriously folks, I don't get it.

The case against Abu Hamza Is substantial..... he's the main man America want. He faces 11 allegations Including trying to set up a terrorism training camp In Oregon. He Is also alleged to have assisted In hostage taking in Yemen, an Incident In which Western tourists died.

Two of the other five are Saudi Arabian-born Khaled al-Fawwaz and Egyptian Adel Abdul Bary. They are accused of being key aides to Osama bin Laden In London. They allegedly played roles In the 1998 US embassy bombings in East Africa, In which more than 200 people were killed and thousands Injured.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:03 pm

flopstock;1405458 wrote: I don't know why we would want these guys. Seriously folks, I don't get it.

So he can meet his 72 Virgins ASAP.

After all, we are a kind and considerate nation.

His Virgins may not think so, but that is not our call. All up to Allah

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:08 pm

tude dog;1405560 wrote: So he can meet his 72 Virgins ASAP.

After all, we are a kind and considerate nation.

His Virgins may not think so, but that is not our call. All up to AllahWhat makes you think he'll receive the death sentence? I can't think of any convicted terrorists that have, other than Tim Mcvey.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:39 pm

Ahso!;1405563 wrote: What makes you think he'll receive the death sentence? I can't think of any convicted terrorists that have, other than Tim Mcvey.

One can only hope and pray.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:41 pm

That'll get one far.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:56 pm

IF he's convicted of a crime n the UK, I'd just as soon he stay there.

We have enough convicted felons over here. we don't need any more.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:57 pm

Ahso!;1405583 wrote: That'll get one far.

Sometimes, that is all ya have.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:07 pm

LarsMac;1405588 wrote: IF he's convicted of a crime n the UK, I'd just as soon he stay there.

We have enough convicted felons over here. we don't need any more.

Just don't imprison him in Scotland.

"Scottish officials on Saturday defended the decision to release convicted Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi [BBC profile] on compassionate grounds after he was diagnosed with cancer.........."

JURIST - Paper Chase: Scotland defends release of Lockerbie bomber

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:12 pm

AnneBoleyn;1405594 wrote: Just don't imprison him in Scotland.

"Scottish officials on Saturday defended the decision to release convicted Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi [BBC profile] on compassionate grounds after he was diagnosed with cancer.........."

JURIST - Paper Chase: Scotland defends release of Lockerbie bomber

That's different. The guy was sick and required some fairly extensive medical care. They didn't want to end up working to keep the bugger alive, just so they could keep him in prison.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:16 pm

At least he wont be able to thumb a lift back here

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:24 pm

Snowfire;1405601 wrote: At least he wont be able to thumb a lift back here

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:16 pm

AnneBoleyn;1405594 wrote: Just don't imprison him in Scotland.

"Scottish officials on Saturday defended the decision to release convicted Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi [BBC profile] on compassionate grounds after he was diagnosed with cancer.........."

And who recently died..................of cancer.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:19 pm

I do not think he should have been released. It took him years to die, & he did so in the loving company of friends & family. Unlike the victims of Lockerbie. A sentence is a sentence unless there is a new trial. And, of course those rumors of oil deals..........

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:36 am

Not so fast.

Maybe you aren't shut of him, after all.

BBC News - Abu Hamza: High Court judge halts extradition to the US

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:15 am

I still say keep him to yourselves.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:30 am

LarsMac;1405682 wrote: Not so fast.

Maybe you aren't shut of him, after all.

BBC News - Abu Hamza: High Court judge halts extradition to the US I'm not surprised his lawyers have made one last ditch attempt. Myself, I think It won't wash If the European Courts have already ruled.

America want him bad and won't give up.... any one with any links to Bin Laden and 9/11 Is wanted In the USA to stand trial and In this case, I must agree with the USA.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:44 am

He's just lost his last ditch appeal... High Court Judges have ruled that he will be extradited.

Now can you sling your hook! Hate preacher Abu Hamza loses last-ditch attempt to stay in Britain as court rules he must be 'extradited immediately' to face trial in U.S | Mail Online

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:49 am

oscar;1406755 wrote: He's just lost his last ditch appeal... High Court Judges have ruled that he will be extradited.

Now can you sling your hook! Hate preacher Abu Hamza loses last-ditch attempt to stay in Britain as court rules he must be 'extradited immediately' to face trial in U.S | Mail Online

He might come up with a few illnesses. That's always a good staller. Any chance that we might send his sons with him. They are a complete waste of good air. Criminals most of them

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:53 am

Snowfire;1406756 wrote: He might come up with a few illnesses. That's always a good staller. Any chance that we might send his sons with him. They are a complete waste of good air. Criminals most of them I'm sure the Home Office has them within their sights.

Hate preacher Abu Hamza's 5 sons convicted in UK - Hindustan Times

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:04 pm

He's gone.

Now can you sling your hook! Hate preacher Abu Hamza loses last-ditch attempt to stay in Britain as court rules he must be 'extradited immediately' to face trial in U.S | Mail Online

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:32 pm

In the dock at last: Hate preacher Abu Hamza appears in court in New York hours after extradition to U.S. | Mail Online

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:52 pm

He Is not a suspect... he Is a convicted terrorist.

Convicted yes, but was this done by a jury of his piers? I have no love for this guy but justice has no meaning if it is not equal. I want G Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Darth Cheney next to this guy in the docket. Along with a few others. What has been done by many Americans over many years to the people of the Arab world is part of the reason we are here now.

No justice - no peace.