hello and welcome along to another AA grumpy column
today we go north of the border out or should that be oot of the comfortable grumpy towers ( hoots mon theres a moose loose aboot this hoose ! ED)
now now you cant say that to our scottish readers and put the whisky doon
sorry i mean down.
PAEDOPHILES and rapists will dodge the bedroom tax while poverty-hit families face homelessness.
A shocking loophole in the Con-Dem welfare cuts, which come into force today, could mean thousands of sex offenders being exempt.
A Department for Work and Pensions whistleblower tipped off Scotland’s Health Secretary Alex Neil about the scandal.
Last night, the Airdrie and Shotts MSP said: “When hard-working people who are being forced to pay the bedroom tax realise that convicted sex offenders are often exempt they will be very angry indeed.
“This just shows how daft and unfair this tax is in the first place and it should be scrapped immediately. This tax is riddled with loopholes and contradictions – it doesn’t make any sense to penalise hard-working people in this way
“It will also force many families out on to the street with nowhere to go.
Neil and Airdrie councillor Michael Coyle were horrified when they were told of the loophole.
The DWP man told them sex offenders with large houses would not have their housing benefit cut because they couldn’t let a room out to a lodger and are almost impossible to rehouse.
Child abusers and rapists freed from prison would still be housed in larger homes and not penalised as it is hard to find them suitable accommodation.
Neil added: “We shouldn’t be forced to look for these loopholes. The tax should be scrapped and if the Scottish Parliament get powers over welfare through independence, the SNP will scrap this shocking policy.
The rules will affect housing benefit, which is paid to less well-off tenants to help with rent.
Families deemed to have too much living space by their council will get a reduced payment. It has been claimed as many as 105,000 households in Scotland may lose £14 a week of housing benefit on average.
Foster carers and families of forces personnel will be exempt. But Coyle said the DWP are leaving local authorities to deal with each sex offender’s case on merit.
The DWP have given councils an extra £10million in discretionary funds this year to help vulnerable and poverty-stricken tenants. Coyle said: “I am really worried this money, which isn’t much when it’s split between all Scotland’s councils, will be used for sex offenders.
“A system that gives preferential treatment to sex offenders is sickening.
The DWP refused to discuss how the bedroom tax would affect sex offenders. But a spokesman said: “With many thousands of people on housing waiting lists, we need to end the spare room subsidy and ensure a better use of social housing.
“Councils in Scotland have been given an extra £10million this year for discretionary housing payments to help people in difficult situations.
The Government argue the changes will help cut the £23billion annual bill for housing benefit, free up more living space for overcrowded families and encourage people to get jobs.
The Church of Scotland, the Baptist Union of Great Britain, the Methodist Church and the United Reformed Church accused ministers of manipulating figures to vilify the poor.
A Methodist spokesman said: “Whatever problems the country faced, it wasn’t the poor that caused it and shouldn’t be them that pay for it.
And homelessness charity Crisis said: “The result will be misery – cold rooms, longer queues at food banks, broken families, missed rent payments and more people homeless. Devastating for those directly affected but bad for us all.
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for once your grumps is absolutley speechless about this
preferental treatment given to those who prey on children and vunerable women is definatley sick.
and families will struggle further on the breadline while these animals are just laughing at us all.
i know what preferental treatment i,d give them their very own size 17 rope..
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poverty-hit families face homelessness.
That Is sensationalist reporting at It's worse...
No-one Is going to be made homeless.
The whole Ideology behind the bedroom tax Is to force those occupying family social housing homes where bedrooms are empty Into smaller accomodation.
Social housing authorities have tried all manner of measures to get some of these people to downsize and help with young families living In Bed and breakfast waiting years for a home. Those Incentives have failed because some people are just bloody selfish.
You have no Idea of how many children are living in B and B or In totally unsuitable housing because there is a dire shortage of family homes while one parent still takes up a three bedroomed house their kids have left home...
There Is much wrong with the Bedroom Tax and It needs reforming so disabled people are not affected.
Under the Bedroom Tax, benefit will be cut for anyone with a bedroom that is not used but they will not be made homeless....they have a choice.... downsize and think about all those children living In unsuitable housing who desperately need a family home or budget for the cuts.... Every housing authority will rehouse those accepting downsizing... they will not be made homeless... that's complete bollocks
That Is sensationalist reporting at It's worse...
No-one Is going to be made homeless.
The whole Ideology behind the bedroom tax Is to force those occupying family social housing homes where bedrooms are empty Into smaller accomodation.
Social housing authorities have tried all manner of measures to get some of these people to downsize and help with young families living In Bed and breakfast waiting years for a home. Those Incentives have failed because some people are just bloody selfish.
You have no Idea of how many children are living in B and B or In totally unsuitable housing because there is a dire shortage of family homes while one parent still takes up a three bedroomed house their kids have left home...
There Is much wrong with the Bedroom Tax and It needs reforming so disabled people are not affected.
Under the Bedroom Tax, benefit will be cut for anyone with a bedroom that is not used but they will not be made homeless....they have a choice.... downsize and think about all those children living In unsuitable housing who desperately need a family home or budget for the cuts.... Every housing authority will rehouse those accepting downsizing... they will not be made homeless... that's complete bollocks
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Can't be bothered to read all that drivel, are we missing a link?
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Hopefully people will be moved around, maybe it will make people think about downsizing.
As from July this year I am technically meant to be in a four bed property given that my son turns 16.
Can't see it ever happening to be honest and am now wondering what will happen, I keep bidding on three bedroom places, but in reality if I get near getting one assigned to me will it ever actually materialise as I have a ten year old girl and a two year old boy who according to the 'rules' aren't meant to share. I know the reality is that kids do share in this situation all over the UK, my worry is because I'm on the list and not already in social housing I won't even get a look in for a three bed social house let alone a four bed.
Yeah, off topic slightly lol tend to agree with Oscars comments on this being sensationalist reporting re paedophiles wherever it comes from....
As from July this year I am technically meant to be in a four bed property given that my son turns 16.
Can't see it ever happening to be honest and am now wondering what will happen, I keep bidding on three bedroom places, but in reality if I get near getting one assigned to me will it ever actually materialise as I have a ten year old girl and a two year old boy who according to the 'rules' aren't meant to share. I know the reality is that kids do share in this situation all over the UK, my worry is because I'm on the list and not already in social housing I won't even get a look in for a three bed social house let alone a four bed.
Yeah, off topic slightly lol tend to agree with Oscars comments on this being sensationalist reporting re paedophiles wherever it comes from....
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Betty Boop;1423563 wrote: Hopefully people will be moved around, maybe it will make people think about downsizing.
As from July this year I am technically meant to be in a four bed property given that my son turns 16.
Can't see it ever happening to be honest and am now wondering what will happen, I keep bidding on three bedroom places, but in reality if I get near getting one assigned to me will it ever actually materialise as I have a ten year old girl and a two year old boy who according to the 'rules' aren't meant to share. I know the reality is that kids do share in this situation all over the UK, my worry is because I'm on the list and not already in social housing I won't even get a look in for a three bed social house let alone a four bed.
Yeah, off topic slightly lol tend to agree with Oscars comments on this being sensationalist reporting re paedophiles wherever it comes from....
If the scheme goes to plan... you may find once It kicks In and housing authorities start downsizing people, more and more 3 bedroom properties will become available...
As for child abusers not being affected , that's complete bollocks..... If they are already In social housing, they will be treated exactly the same
As from July this year I am technically meant to be in a four bed property given that my son turns 16.
Can't see it ever happening to be honest and am now wondering what will happen, I keep bidding on three bedroom places, but in reality if I get near getting one assigned to me will it ever actually materialise as I have a ten year old girl and a two year old boy who according to the 'rules' aren't meant to share. I know the reality is that kids do share in this situation all over the UK, my worry is because I'm on the list and not already in social housing I won't even get a look in for a three bed social house let alone a four bed.
Yeah, off topic slightly lol tend to agree with Oscars comments on this being sensationalist reporting re paedophiles wherever it comes from....
If the scheme goes to plan... you may find once It kicks In and housing authorities start downsizing people, more and more 3 bedroom properties will become available...
As for child abusers not being affected , that's complete bollocks..... If they are already In social housing, they will be treated exactly the same
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Let me give you an example as to why this Bedroom Tax was Introduced to force people to downsize....
There's a woman In my village who I once worked with.. She was given a three bedroom house by The Housing Association 14 years ago for her and two little boys.... as the boys grew, they became really difficult for her and both of them went to live with their different Fathers when the eldest was 10 years old...She remained In that three bedroom house and because I have been Inside, I know she has a lovely house with huge kitchen/diner and large lounge along with a large garden.
It gets worse.... about 5 years ago, she met and married a man In the village who's own kids were grown up but he owned his own house.... they sold that house of his and banked the proceeds and continued to live In her council house.... They never bought that house, they pay rent of about £90 per week for It........ Yet, they are never there.
He's always working away and she works full time... I estimate their joint earnings to be around £3.500 a month given their jobs.
That Is wrong and wrong on so many levels...... The two of them are rattling around a large 3 bedroom house with two unused bedrooms while a family with babies live In one room.... That's why the Bedroom Tax had to be Introduced.... people like that....and the lilly livered Labour Government encouraged It.
There's a woman In my village who I once worked with.. She was given a three bedroom house by The Housing Association 14 years ago for her and two little boys.... as the boys grew, they became really difficult for her and both of them went to live with their different Fathers when the eldest was 10 years old...She remained In that three bedroom house and because I have been Inside, I know she has a lovely house with huge kitchen/diner and large lounge along with a large garden.
It gets worse.... about 5 years ago, she met and married a man In the village who's own kids were grown up but he owned his own house.... they sold that house of his and banked the proceeds and continued to live In her council house.... They never bought that house, they pay rent of about £90 per week for It........ Yet, they are never there.
He's always working away and she works full time... I estimate their joint earnings to be around £3.500 a month given their jobs.
That Is wrong and wrong on so many levels...... The two of them are rattling around a large 3 bedroom house with two unused bedrooms while a family with babies live In one room.... That's why the Bedroom Tax had to be Introduced.... people like that....and the lilly livered Labour Government encouraged It.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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There's perhaps a case for means testing those in council houses - or charging more rent in some cases. Typical private rents in scotland are £500pm plus so when it can be afforded why not charge and equivalent rent and just subsidise those who need it. The welfare state is only supposed to be a safety net.
Another problem with the bedroom tax is that on many cases there are no smaller houses to move people in to from their larger houses. Maggie thatcher never thought through the long term consequences of selling off the council housing stock now we don't have enough in some areas.
AA grumpy probably got it from the daily mail. That and the dandy seem to be his usual reading material. What else do you expect from the tories but half baked policies devised by public school idiots who have never had a real job in the or lives. Rather than go on about welfare scroungers why not bang on about all the bankers we are supporting?
Let's have a support a monopoly that doesn't pay tax day. Buy a book from amazon.
Another problem with the bedroom tax is that on many cases there are no smaller houses to move people in to from their larger houses. Maggie thatcher never thought through the long term consequences of selling off the council housing stock now we don't have enough in some areas.
AA grumpy probably got it from the daily mail. That and the dandy seem to be his usual reading material. What else do you expect from the tories but half baked policies devised by public school idiots who have never had a real job in the or lives. Rather than go on about welfare scroungers why not bang on about all the bankers we are supporting?
Let's have a support a monopoly that doesn't pay tax day. Buy a book from amazon.
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gmc;1423595 wrote: There's perhaps a case for means testing those in council houses - or charging more rent in some cases. Typical private rents in scotland are £500pm plus so when it can be afforded why not charge and equivalent rent and just subsidise those who need it. The welfare state is only supposed to be a safety net.
Another problem with the bedroom tax is that on many cases there are no smaller houses to move people in to from their larger houses. Maggie thatcher never thought through the long term consequences of selling off the council housing stock now we don't have enough in some areas.
AA grumpy probably got it from the daily mail. That and the dandy seem to be his usual reading material. What else do you expect from the tories but half baked policies devised by public school idiots who have never had a real job in the or lives. Rather than go on about welfare scroungers why not bang on about all the bankers we are supporting?
Let's have a support a monopoly that doesn't pay tax day. Buy a book from amazon.
I agree with that... Much of some attitudes of social housing tenants that I encountered was that once they were given a house, It was not only theirs for life but also their 2nd generation should Inherit It from them regardless of how much money they earned.
As In the example I gave, really, they should have downsized her as soon as her boys went to live permanently with their Fathers but then there was no legislation back then to enforce It. They see It as their house and lose sight of the fact that they are tenants how ever long they have been there. Also bear In mind as with the example I gave, when they have an estimated joint Income of £3,500 a month, because they are council tenants, they get all repairs carried out free of charge.
The Irony that makes me chuckle Is members of the Far Right complaining about how unfair the Bedroom Tax Is when If the Far Right ever got power, they'd do exactly the same....
Another problem with the bedroom tax is that on many cases there are no smaller houses to move people in to from their larger houses. Maggie thatcher never thought through the long term consequences of selling off the council housing stock now we don't have enough in some areas.
AA grumpy probably got it from the daily mail. That and the dandy seem to be his usual reading material. What else do you expect from the tories but half baked policies devised by public school idiots who have never had a real job in the or lives. Rather than go on about welfare scroungers why not bang on about all the bankers we are supporting?
Let's have a support a monopoly that doesn't pay tax day. Buy a book from amazon.
I agree with that... Much of some attitudes of social housing tenants that I encountered was that once they were given a house, It was not only theirs for life but also their 2nd generation should Inherit It from them regardless of how much money they earned.
As In the example I gave, really, they should have downsized her as soon as her boys went to live permanently with their Fathers but then there was no legislation back then to enforce It. They see It as their house and lose sight of the fact that they are tenants how ever long they have been there. Also bear In mind as with the example I gave, when they have an estimated joint Income of £3,500 a month, because they are council tenants, they get all repairs carried out free of charge.
The Irony that makes me chuckle Is members of the Far Right complaining about how unfair the Bedroom Tax Is when If the Far Right ever got power, they'd do exactly the same....
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon