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Alert on pet dogs used for fighting | Evening Times

Hitting a bit close to home, one was stolen from the back garden in the neighbouring street, met the chap this evening while walking mine, poor guy was almost in tears telling me about it. An acquaintance had a close shave when someone tried to take their dog that a family friend had left tied up outside a shop while he popped in whikle walking the dog for her, Doberman/Alsatian cross that luckily objected to strangers touching it. Primarily staffie crosses seem to be the target but any dog big enough to put up a fight but not powerful enough to have a chance and blood the dogs is fair game. There are some nasty bastards out there. When we got our pup from the dogs trust there was an american bulldog that had been crossed with a Rhodesian ridgeback, the six month old pups were already 2 feet feet at the shoulder. So far as i could garner they had been removed and brought to the trust by the police. Met one of them recently as it happens, nice friendly good natured if intimidatingly big dog.
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The Dogs are not being stolen for fighting but as bait to train the fighting dogs, usually Illegally bred Pit Bulls,

The main culprits are Asian Dog Fighting rings but apparently Eastern Europeans have cashed In also.

Muslims are at the heart of a dog-fighting epidemic in the UK

About 6 months ago, we had alerts on Facebook and In the e mails we get from Avon and Somerset Police that dogs had been stolen from gardens and they had a picture of an eastern European looking man caught on cctv they wanted. One dog who only just survived was found wandering the streets badly torn to pieces.

Our police were warning people about the stickers people were finding on their garden gates or fences. This was where they would go around a housing estate and seeing a dog In the garden or house, would put a sticker on the gate to let the snatcher know where there was a dog and what size. Red sticker was for large, green or blue for medium and pink for small dog.

I became a bit paranoid and went around my streets looking for stickers because where the dogs had been snatched, was very close to me. Didn't see any but although my dogs make a huge racket the minute anyone walks near our fencing, at night, I buckled a dog collar around the base of the garden gate from the inside so no-one could get through it.
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I don't know about in the UK, but dog-fighting in the US is very popular among a lot of Christian types. I bet you will find a lot of Christians at those dog-fights in the UK, too.

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This is a subject that burns me to the core. Not just dog fighting either.
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I can thoroughly recommend this book... a true story.

It's about Oogy the bait puppy and how a family visiting their vets happened to be there as a puppy used for bait for dog fighting was brought In to be destroyed after being found terribly disfigured and just clinging to life. The family took him home and there Is a happy ending. It's an Inspirational and heartwarming story of trust between man and his dog.

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oscar;1430003 wrote: The Dogs are not being stolen for fighting but as bait to train the fighting dogs, usually Illegally bred Pit Bulls,

The main culprits are Asian Dog Fighting rings but apparently Eastern Europeans have cashed In also.

Muslims are at the heart of a dog-fighting epidemic in the UK

About 6 months ago, we had alerts on Facebook and In the e mails we get from Avon and Somerset Police that dogs had been stolen from gardens and they had a picture of an eastern European looking man caught on cctv they wanted. One dog who only just survived was found wandering the streets badly torn to pieces.

Our police were warning people about the stickers people were finding on their garden gates or fences. This was where they would go around a housing estate and seeing a dog In the garden or house, would put a sticker on the gate to let the snatcher know where there was a dog and what size. Red sticker was for large, green or blue for medium and pink for small dog.

I became a bit paranoid and went around my streets looking for stickers because where the dogs had been snatched, was very close to me. Didn't see any but although my dogs make a huge racket the minute anyone walks near our fencing, at night, I buckled a dog collar around the base of the garden gate from the inside so no-one could get through it.


Do wish you'd read what I said before posting.

Primarily staffie crosses seem to be the target but any dog big enough to put up a fight but not powerful enough to have a chance and blood the dogs is fair game.


Round here it's home grown scroats responsible - seems to be undergoing a surge in popularity at the moment. They seem to be marking houses in much the same manner akitas and pitbulls seem the favourite breeds for fighting.

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I don't know about in the UK, but dog-fighting in the US is very popular among a lot of Christian types. I bet you will find a lot of Christians at those dog-fights in the UK, too.




Why would Christians in particular be attracted to it?

Depends what you mean by christian here there's a certain type of thug that wear their religion on their sleeve but calling them Christian is kind of moot. Bet your Christians don't get into heated arguments about transubstantiation as against consubstantiation and can then ask in all seriousness whether I am a catholic atheist or a protestant one. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. The IRA and UDA are both christian organisations fighting to defend their religion.
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gmc;1430042 wrote: Do wish you'd read what I said before posting.



Round here it's home grown scroats responsible - seems to be undergoing a surge in popularity at the moment. They seem to be marking houses in much the same manner akitas and pitbulls seem the favourite breeds for fighting.

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Why would Christians in particular be attracted to it?

Depends what you mean by christian here there's a certain type of thug that wear their religion on their sleeve but calling them Christian is kind of moot. Bet your Christians don't get into heated arguments about transubstantiation as against consubstantiation and can then ask in all seriousness whether I am a catholic atheist or a protestant one. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. The IRA and UDA are both christian organisations fighting to defend their religion.


Actually my intention was a response to the accusation that Muslims were somehow behind the dog-fighting in the UK.

I don't think religion has anything to do with it. You might even find a few Buddhists who enjoy the "sport"

I personally think that anyone who enjoys watching animals destroy each other should thrown into the pit, themselves.
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LarsMac;1430045 wrote: Actually my intention was a response to the accusation that Muslims were somehow behind the dog-fighting in the UK.

I don't think religion has anything to do with it. You might even find a few Buddhists who enjoy the "sport"

I personally think that anyone who enjoys watching animals destroy each other should thrown into the pit, themselves.


A 400% rise in dog-fighting by Muslims | EU

Ten convicted of being involved in 'sadistic and pitiless' dog fight | UK news | The Guardian

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... r_arrests/



Yes, It's true the UK had Illegal dog fighting but of late, , It Is Asian men being convicted.
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oscar;1430047 wrote: A 400% rise in dog-fighting by Muslims | EU

Ten convicted of being involved in 'sadistic and pitiless' dog fight | UK news | The Guardian

Dog fight ring probed after arrests (From Lancashire Telegraph)



Yes, It's true the UK had Illegal dog fighting but of late, , It Is Asian men being convicted.


Yeah, we see a lot more "Asians" arrested in the States, too.

But then, the white guys are usually buddies with the local sheriff, who gets a cut out of the betting.

The sheriff then goes after the "competition"

That's how it has worked in the South since the colonial days.

Probably the same back in the "Home country"
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One of the reasons I would never sell my puppies cheap. No-one Is going to pay £400 for a puppy and then kick It all round the house. I'd rather keep them all than ever take that risk.
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The dogs trust is full of staffie crosses- - people buy them because they look hard in reality most of them are big soft lumps.

Given the muslim/middle eastern attitude towards dogs - they consider them unclean - it seems more likely the dog fighting is something they have learned from us rather than brought with them. So there may be muslim dog fighting gangs in Birmingham. I can almost guarantee that's not the case in scotland. Most likely they are protestant if anything and i doubt very much religion has anything to do with it at all. What is it with you that you have to turn everything in to a racist rant?

Yes, It's true the UK had Illegal dog fighting but of late, , It Is Asian men being convicted.


You have to be caught to be convicted. Maybe being asian they are not such efficient crooks and can be caught more easily. Wonder of they sell the losers to the Chinese takeaways?
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gmc;1430099 wrote: The dogs trust is full of staffie crosses- - people buy them because they look hard in reality most of them are big soft lumps.

Given the muslim/middle eastern attitude towards dogs - they consider them unclean - it seems more likely the dog fighting is something they have learned from us rather than brought with them. So there may be muslim dog fighting gangs in Birmingham. I can almost guarantee that's not the case in scotland. Most likely they are protestant if anything and i doubt very much religion has anything to do with it at all. What is it with you that you have to turn everything in to a racist rant?



You have to be caught to be convicted. Maybe being asian they are not such efficient crooks and can be caught more easily. Wonder of they sell the losers to the Chinese takeaways?


I did try to find a link to back It up from the RSPCA but can't. They tend to be rather non commital so you'll just have to take my word for It. It's the RSPCA and Dogs Trust who have the unsavoury job of destroying Pit Bulls when they are seized In the UK by police.

Armed to the teeth: the problem with pit bulls - Telegraph

I agree that It's nothing to do with religion.

We as a nation are a nation of dog lovers and while your average thug thinks a Pit Bull Is a weapon In Inner city gang warfare, unfortunately, Middle Eastern countries are some of the worst for animal abuse especially dog fighting.

I know from my own Muslim friends that dogs are seen as dirty and worthless and It's that attitude that see's them think nothing of making money from dog fighting.

It's not a racist rant, that's a cop out. It Is fact that we have seen a rise In dog fighting In this country by the Pakistani communities.

Pictured: The horrific world of dog fighting tournaments in Pakistan as baying mob urges animals to fight to the death | Mail Online
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OK so they have dog fights in Pakistan - the religion is irrelevant.

Why do you have to turn every thread in to rants about your own particular bete noir? Would you go on about catholics the same way? No probably not yet they are actively trying to curb womens rights on issues like abortion and access to contraceptives imposing their own particular word view on a population that in the main do not share their faith. We have separate religious schools that IMO encourage sectarianism yet Tony Blair allowed even more and probably has done more to increase religious tension in the years to come than any immigrant muslim cleric yet not a peep from you. The bigots I come across are in the main protestant and once a year parade through the streets keeping the memory of religious warfare alive. Don't get me wrong I'm all in favour of keeping history alive and I'm very well aware of the background, when you see the Pope on his visit commenting on how the UK is one of the most anti-catholic countries in europe you have to wonder what books he has been reading that he doesn't know why. Currently history is being re-written by the religious claiming Hitler was an atheist and atheists caused the holocaust, there are calls to extend the blasphemy laws to islam when we should iojn fact be repealing them altogether, there are religious courts in England - jewish and canonical so sharia courts might become accepted for the simple reason that you can't ban them without raising the question whether you should ban the other religious courts. We have the godly on the streets demonstrating because a secular society wants to make it illegal to discrimination against people whose lifestyle they find abhorrent. Quite frankly islam is perhaps the least of the problems we have in this country with religion trying to impose itself on us.

Never mind the horror channel this has got to be the most frightening channel on TV - and it's British in origin.

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gmc;1430127 wrote: OK so they have dog fights in Pakistan - the religion is irrelevant.

Why do you have to turn every thread in to rants about your own particular bete noir? Would you go on about catholics the same way? No probably not yet they are actively trying to curb womens rights on issues like abortion and access to contraceptives imposing their own particular word view on a population that in the main do not share their faith. We have separate religious schools that IMO encourage sectarianism yet Tony Blair allowed even more and probably has done more to increase religious tension in the years to come than any immigrant muslim cleric yet not a peep from you. The bigots I come across are in the main protestant and once a year parade through the streets keeping the memory of religious warfare alive. Don't get me wrong I'm all in favour of keeping history alive and I'm very well aware of the background, when you see the Pope on his visit commenting on how the UK is one of the most anti-catholic countries in europe you have to wonder what books he has been reading that he doesn't know why. Currently history is being re-written by the religious claiming Hitler was an atheist and atheists caused the holocaust, there are calls to extend the blasphemy laws to islam when we should iojn fact be repealing them altogether, there are religious courts in England - jewish and canonical so sharia courts might become accepted for the simple reason that you can't ban them without raising the question whether you should ban the other religious courts. We have the godly on the streets demonstrating because a secular society wants to make it illegal to discrimination against people whose lifestyle they find abhorrent. Quite frankly islam is perhaps the least of the problems we have in this country with religion trying to impose itself on us.

Never mind the horror channel this has got to be the most frightening channel on TV - and it's British in origin.

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My own bete noir ?? :(

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Are we sure it's not the *cough* pikeys ?
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Bruv;1430139 wrote: Are we sure it's not the *cough* pikeys ? Doubt It very much...They are very much dog and horse people. I think they'd find the thought abhorent.
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oscar;1430142 wrote: Doubt It very much...They are very much dog and horse people. I think they'd find the thought abhorent.


What about the cock fighting ?

I think you have tarred all of them with the same brush.
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Bruv;1430156 wrote: What about the cock fighting ?

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oscar;1430129 wrote: My own bete noir ?? :(

Merely quantifying my raison d'être Mon petite chardon.

How did dog fighting turn Into religion again ?


Because someone decided that dog fighting, being such a bad thing, must have muslims as the main cause for it's growing poularity and felt compelled to point this out to all those who are not aware what a baleful influence muslims are and how good upstanding british people coukld not be involved in such a thing. Bloody immigrants as if it's bad enough they come across here and claim benefits they have to start dogfighting rings as well.

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What about the cock fighting ?

I think you have tarred all of them with the same brush.


Well yes, of course she does. Have you seen them? first it was the nig nogs now it's the bloody pakis honestly anyone without blue eyes should be sent back to where they came from.
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gmc;1430161 wrote: Because someone decided that dog fighting, being such a bad thing, must have muslims as the main cause for it's growing poularity and felt compelled to point this out to all those who are not aware what a baleful influence muslims are and how good upstanding british people coukld not be involved in such a thing. Bloody immigrants as if it's bad enough they come across here and claim benefits they have to start dogfighting rings as well.

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Well yes, of course she does. Have you seen them? first it was the nig nogs now it's the bloody pakis honestly anyone without blue eyes should be sent back to where they came from. Yes Yes yes, but what In the name of Jagger has that all got to do with your diatribe on religion?

By the way, my eyes are dark brown.
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oscar;1430163 wrote: Yes Yes yes, but what In the name of Jagger has that all got to do with your diatribe on religion?

By the way, my eyes are dark brown.


I have come to the conclusion you are being deliberately obtuse preferring that to the alternative that you are just thick.

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Are we sure it's not the *cough* pikeys ?




there is in fact a group of pikeys currently residing locally, just up the road in fact in one of the industrial estates. Nowadays they bring machinery with them to remove the concrete blocks blocking entry to disused areas of the industrial estates.

Speculation is that they are not in fact muslim.
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what's a pikey
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LarsMac;1430193 wrote: what's a pikey


It is a common derogatory term for a traveller, gypsy, tinker.

There are several types these days, the original Irish Traveller, that keep them selves very much to them selves, living wherever they can find a site to park their trailers/caravans, known to make money by 'harvesting' scrap metals, tarmacking people drives (on the fly) and several other nefarious activies.

Then there is the common or garden Gypsy, born and bred here in the UK who are rapidly becoming settled in Corporation sites and social housing.
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The gypsies are the romani people you find all over europe. Tinkers and travellers in the UK originated as people forced off their land who took to travelling from town to town, following the harvests as casual labourers A tinker was originally an itinerant tinsmith, who mended household utensils. The word is attested from the 13th century and may be of imitative origin.Some travelling people and Gypsies adopted this lifestyle and the name was particularly associated with indigenous Irish and Scottish Travellers. You can trace it back in more recent times to the enclosure acts (the enforced taking of common land by powerful landowners) and the forcing of tenants off their land that took place all over the UK and eurpe during the industrial revolution. Tinkers /travellers basically itinerant workers with no fixed abode.

Tinker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pikey is a more derogatory term usually applied to irish travellers. Crime seems to go up when they are in the area and they tend to leave quite a mess behind them so they all tend to be tarred with the same brush and hounded wherever they go. On the other hand they used to be a common sight at harvest time picking potatoes and fruit or any crop that needed to be picked by hand. I've worked beside them when I was a teenager picking fruit lazy they were not. I suppose one near equivalent might be itinerant workers picking crops in the US
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I don't think Muslims or Scots or Welsh people are the problem here. I think the main motivation is money. Anyone who does this is just plain low.
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Scrat;1430211 wrote: I don't think Muslims or Scots or Welsh people are the problem here. I think the main motivation is money. Anyone who does this is just plain low.


Couldn't agree more but there is always someone who has to put the blame on muslim immigrants even if there is no likely connection to the original; post. This kind of thing has been going on for centuries nowadays and most people find it deeply repugnant like most nations we have a nasty underclass of low lifes.
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