So, pretty much this whole year I've been going through
boxes and boxes of relative's stuff, contents of storage
units and the like.
Came across a sealed v-mail envelope addressed to my
Mom. Postmarked 1945. I very carefully slit it open, and
it was from a 'boyfriend' named Hank, that I did hear her
mention a couple of times. The date on the INSIDE, though,
is early 1943, and it says "Somewhere in Germany". I know
they had to do that for the censors. This guy says something
like he knows she's out working on her tan, and going
"clubbing". Well shoot folks, the date he wrote she was
SIXTEEN years old! Egads, wonder if she had fake ID way
back then?
The different dates really made me wonder at first, but then
I thought maybe the army just lost it for 2 years or something,
wouldn't surprise me. And then when it got to the house, my
grandmother just hid it away because she didn't want my Mom
involved with this guy. Or something.
Really getting some amazing stuff.
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That's fascinating, Valerie...I've got a couple of embroidered postcards from WW1, sent to a little girl from "her daddy somewhere in France."
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It's funny to find out things like that about someone you never really considered in that way. My co-worker's grandmother had a tattoo on her upper, inner thigh that she would have gotten sometime back in the 40s - 50s, which is pretty wild when you think how staid they were back then. Or maybe not, by the sounds of it.
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Finds like that fascinate me. They are or were real people who touched the lives of our loved one's.
My husband has embroidered postcards, some are absolutely exquisite. Like Theia's.... sent from his grandfather during WW!.... the most poignant Is the one ' To my Darling Daughter'... the others were embroidered roses. He always sent roses because he had named his baby daughter Rose.
He was a Conchy and In the end sent to the Somme, Northern France as a medic. After a heavy exchange, he was on the battlefield tending to the dying and wounded and made the fatal error of attending to a German Infantryman. A member of The British Army shot him In the head. His daughter, my husbands Mother was just two years old. I just find that Incredibly sad. Basically, killed for being a good person.
My husband has embroidered postcards, some are absolutely exquisite. Like Theia's.... sent from his grandfather during WW!.... the most poignant Is the one ' To my Darling Daughter'... the others were embroidered roses. He always sent roses because he had named his baby daughter Rose.
He was a Conchy and In the end sent to the Somme, Northern France as a medic. After a heavy exchange, he was on the battlefield tending to the dying and wounded and made the fatal error of attending to a German Infantryman. A member of The British Army shot him In the head. His daughter, my husbands Mother was just two years old. I just find that Incredibly sad. Basically, killed for being a good person.
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Why the hell did he get shot? Was it a mistake or was it some overzealous a-hole that decided he was a traitor for helping a wounded man? Judge, jury and executioner. THAT person should have been tried for murder.
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SnoozeAgain;1434357 wrote: Why the hell did he get shot? Was it a mistake or was it some overzealous a-hole that decided he was a traitor for helping a wounded man? Judge, jury and executioner. THAT person should have been tried for murder.
He was deemed a traitor.
We have all the paperwork and documents sent to Peter's Grandmother from 1916. No apology, just to Inform her of his death. Shot by The British Forces. no name of the person who sniped him. He was 29 years old as was my grandfather who was blown up by a shell on the Somme.
He was deemed a traitor.
We have all the paperwork and documents sent to Peter's Grandmother from 1916. No apology, just to Inform her of his death. Shot by The British Forces. no name of the person who sniped him. He was 29 years old as was my grandfather who was blown up by a shell on the Somme.
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Wow looked at some of those post cards, they are amazing!
I wonder about the grandfather getting killed, how that would ever
have been determined, especially way back then. Unless the ammo
was markedly different for each group or something. Very sad, to lose
your dad before you even really knew him!
I wonder about the grandfather getting killed, how that would ever
have been determined, especially way back then. Unless the ammo
was markedly different for each group or something. Very sad, to lose
your dad before you even really knew him!
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valerie;1434361 wrote: Wow looked at some of those post cards, they are amazing!
I wonder about the grandfather getting killed, how that would ever
have been determined, especially way back then. Unless the ammo
was markedly different for each group or something. Very sad, to lose
your dad before you even really knew him!
That's why war Is so cruel. Having said that, one of my most prized possessions along with my Father's log books Is the certificate Issued by the Home Office stating my Father was ' Hereby Licensed to bomb'.
My Fathers Father was 29 when he died on the Somme. My Father was just 10 years old. Neither had a proper grave... that's why I am a little touchy about teenagers vandalising war memorials.
I wonder about the grandfather getting killed, how that would ever
have been determined, especially way back then. Unless the ammo
was markedly different for each group or something. Very sad, to lose
your dad before you even really knew him!
That's why war Is so cruel. Having said that, one of my most prized possessions along with my Father's log books Is the certificate Issued by the Home Office stating my Father was ' Hereby Licensed to bomb'.
My Fathers Father was 29 when he died on the Somme. My Father was just 10 years old. Neither had a proper grave... that's why I am a little touchy about teenagers vandalising war memorials.
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Very cool! My father, who flew P-47s over Africa, Italy, and Europe, must have saved every scrap of paper that came his way in the entire war. I've got two apple boxes full of stuff in plastic in my garage. i get it out on Veteran's day and take it to school.
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Saint_;1434382 wrote: Very cool! My father, who flew P-47s over Africa, Italy, and Europe, must have saved every scrap of paper that came his way in the entire war. I've got two apple boxes full of stuff in plastic in my garage. i get it out on Veteran's day and take it to school.
Precious scraps of paper Saint.
A couple of years ago, the Royal British Legion was holding an event for the local kids and was In need of a genuine WW2 Pilot's jacket and gas mask. I was able to say ' Ahhh I can help you there'.
Val... just been talking to Peter and apparently, his grandfather left the trench to tend to the German and the shot was fired from behind from the British trench.... that's how they knew It was the British Army and was not cross fire.
Precious scraps of paper Saint.
A couple of years ago, the Royal British Legion was holding an event for the local kids and was In need of a genuine WW2 Pilot's jacket and gas mask. I was able to say ' Ahhh I can help you there'.
Val... just been talking to Peter and apparently, his grandfather left the trench to tend to the German and the shot was fired from behind from the British trench.... that's how they knew It was the British Army and was not cross fire.
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Saint_;1434382 wrote: Very cool! My father, who flew P-47s over Africa, Italy, and Europe, must have saved every scrap of paper that came his way in the entire war. I've got two apple boxes full of stuff in plastic in my garage. i get it out on Veteran's day and take it to school.
:yh_rotfl
Yeah, right.
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Yeah, right.
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valerie;1434435 wrote: :yh_rotfl
Yeah, right.
Why is that so hard to believe Valerie? His name was Walter Richard Ives Jr. He served with the 525th fighter squadron of the 86th bomber group and flew P-47s. google him.
Here's some pics for you:
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Yeah, right.
Why is that so hard to believe Valerie? His name was Walter Richard Ives Jr. He served with the 525th fighter squadron of the 86th bomber group and flew P-47s. google him.
Here's some pics for you:
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My classroom on Veteran's Day 2011 and my favorite picture of my father:
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Your history and you can ask how it's hard to believe?
The pics help some but photo copies of a few of
the items in those 2 boxes would validate your post
even better.
The pics help some but photo copies of a few of
the items in those 2 boxes would validate your post
even better.
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(sigh) Valerie, no offense...but climbing to the top of the garage, pulling them down, getting dusty and dirty, unwrapping the boxes in their (tightly) sealed layers of plastic, then photocopying the contents, then uploading the documents just to satisfy the doubt of someone I don't even really know in an internet forum is not high on my list of important things to do this week... or month for that matter. (Tonight's Open House at our school as well)
Tell you what I will do: I pull them out and make quite a display on every Veteran's Day for my students. I promise to scan as many as I can on the next Veteran's Day for you.
In the meantime, here's some more that I scanned last time I had them out.
Oh...and here's a declassified document (I googled it, so can you) showing him in the 525th:
http://www.86fighterbombergroup.com/doc ... 1_P336.pdf
Oh, and here you can see that his unit did indeed participate in Africa, Italy, and the Euro Theater in WWII.
The Group was constituted as 86th Bombardment Group (Light) on 13-Jan 1942, and activated on 10 Feb 1942. It was redesignated 86th Bombardment Group (Dive) in Sep 1942, 86th Fighter-Bomber Group in Aug 1943, and 86th Fighter Group in May 1944.
In March through May of 1943, they moved to North Africa and trained until July, then began combat with Twelfth Air Force. They were engaged primarily in close support of ground forces, with the group moving forward to bases in Sicily, Italy, Corsica, France, and Germany as the battle line changed. Patrol and interdictory missions were also flown. A-36, P-40, and P-47 aircraft were used to attack convoys, trains, ammunition dumps, troop and supply columns, shipping, bridges, rail lines, and other objectives.
They participated in the softening up of Sicily and supported the invasion by Seventh Army in July of 1943, and provided cover for the landings at Salerno in September of that year. The Group assisted the Allied advance toward Rome during Jan-Jun 1944. They supported the invasion of Southern France in Aug 1944, and worked to take out enemy communications in northern Italy from Sep 1944 to April 1945. They attacked enemy transportation in Germany during April and May 1945.
The 86th received two DUC's: one for action on 25 May 1944 when the group repeatedly dived through intense flak to destroy enemy vehicles and troops as German forces tried to stop the Allies short of Rome; the other for activity against convoys and airfield installations in northern Germany on 20 April 1945 to disorganize the enemy's withdrawal from that area.
The Fighter Bomber Group remained in Germany after the war as part of United States Air Forces in Europe. They were transferred, without personnel and equipment, to the US in Feb 1946, and inactivated on March 31, 1946.
In August of 46, the Group was activated in Germany, and assigned to the United States Air Forces in Europe. They were redesignated 86th Composite Group in May 1947, 86th Fighter Group in Jan 1948, 86th Fighter-Bomber in Jan 1950, and the 86th Fighter-Interceptor Group in Aug 1954. Equipped successively with F-47, F-84, and F-86 aircraft.
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Tell you what I will do: I pull them out and make quite a display on every Veteran's Day for my students. I promise to scan as many as I can on the next Veteran's Day for you.
In the meantime, here's some more that I scanned last time I had them out.
Oh...and here's a declassified document (I googled it, so can you) showing him in the 525th:
http://www.86fighterbombergroup.com/doc ... 1_P336.pdf
Oh, and here you can see that his unit did indeed participate in Africa, Italy, and the Euro Theater in WWII.
The Group was constituted as 86th Bombardment Group (Light) on 13-Jan 1942, and activated on 10 Feb 1942. It was redesignated 86th Bombardment Group (Dive) in Sep 1942, 86th Fighter-Bomber Group in Aug 1943, and 86th Fighter Group in May 1944.
In March through May of 1943, they moved to North Africa and trained until July, then began combat with Twelfth Air Force. They were engaged primarily in close support of ground forces, with the group moving forward to bases in Sicily, Italy, Corsica, France, and Germany as the battle line changed. Patrol and interdictory missions were also flown. A-36, P-40, and P-47 aircraft were used to attack convoys, trains, ammunition dumps, troop and supply columns, shipping, bridges, rail lines, and other objectives.
They participated in the softening up of Sicily and supported the invasion by Seventh Army in July of 1943, and provided cover for the landings at Salerno in September of that year. The Group assisted the Allied advance toward Rome during Jan-Jun 1944. They supported the invasion of Southern France in Aug 1944, and worked to take out enemy communications in northern Italy from Sep 1944 to April 1945. They attacked enemy transportation in Germany during April and May 1945.
The 86th received two DUC's: one for action on 25 May 1944 when the group repeatedly dived through intense flak to destroy enemy vehicles and troops as German forces tried to stop the Allies short of Rome; the other for activity against convoys and airfield installations in northern Germany on 20 April 1945 to disorganize the enemy's withdrawal from that area.
The Fighter Bomber Group remained in Germany after the war as part of United States Air Forces in Europe. They were transferred, without personnel and equipment, to the US in Feb 1946, and inactivated on March 31, 1946.
In August of 46, the Group was activated in Germany, and assigned to the United States Air Forces in Europe. They were redesignated 86th Composite Group in May 1947, 86th Fighter Group in Jan 1948, 86th Fighter-Bomber in Jan 1950, and the 86th Fighter-Interceptor Group in Aug 1954. Equipped successively with F-47, F-84, and F-86 aircraft.
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One last parting shot to Valerie. Compare the image in the pictures to my family portrait circa 1979.
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valerie;1434520 wrote: Your history and you can ask how it's hard to believe?
The pics help some but photo copies of a few of
the items in those 2 boxes would validate your post
even better.From a person who never validates anything and complains when "tough questions" are asked.
How about if Saint just says "I know that I know"? That's good enough coming from you, isn't it?
The pics help some but photo copies of a few of
the items in those 2 boxes would validate your post
even better.From a person who never validates anything and complains when "tough questions" are asked.
How about if Saint just says "I know that I know"? That's good enough coming from you, isn't it?
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Saint_;1434547 wrote: (sigh) Valerie, no offense...but climbing to the top of the garage, pulling them down, getting dusty and dirty, unwrapping the boxes in their (tightly) sealed layers of plastic, then photocopying the contents, then uploading the documents just to satisfy the doubt of someone I don't even really know in an internet forum is not high on my list of important things to do this week... or month for that matter. (Tonight's Open House at our school as well)
. Reading that, I can empathise...same here. Have some pics of my Father with his squadron around the lounge but like you, for the paperwork etc, I'd have to pull boxes off tops of wardrobes and sift through everything that's wrapped In polythene.
My husband also has some first hand pics of Auschwitz due to his Uncle being one of the allied forces first In. He's actually In the process of handing them over to the Israeli authorities ( long story ) In their bid to Identify victims. It was actually on Spot's advice that we contacted them about a year ago now.
. Reading that, I can empathise...same here. Have some pics of my Father with his squadron around the lounge but like you, for the paperwork etc, I'd have to pull boxes off tops of wardrobes and sift through everything that's wrapped In polythene.
My husband also has some first hand pics of Auschwitz due to his Uncle being one of the allied forces first In. He's actually In the process of handing them over to the Israeli authorities ( long story ) In their bid to Identify victims. It was actually on Spot's advice that we contacted them about a year ago now.
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oscar;1434551 wrote:
My husband also has some first hand pics of Auschwitz due to his Uncle being one of the allied forces first In..
Wow, that must have been a terrifying experience...
My husband also has some first hand pics of Auschwitz due to his Uncle being one of the allied forces first In..
Wow, that must have been a terrifying experience...
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Well, I'd say that bit about dragging the boxes down, etc. sounds
like a 'convenient' out, except that it DOES ring true. I know, because
of what I've been through in several months this year.
You "know" me better than a lot do, for longer certainly, and I you
by your reputation. You just have to realize how it reads to a person
who has seen so many stories and falsehoods from you in the past.
If you can do what you propose, I'd certainly like to see them, I've become
very interested in 'old stuff' in my OLD AGE.
like a 'convenient' out, except that it DOES ring true. I know, because
of what I've been through in several months this year.
You "know" me better than a lot do, for longer certainly, and I you
by your reputation. You just have to realize how it reads to a person
who has seen so many stories and falsehoods from you in the past.
If you can do what you propose, I'd certainly like to see them, I've become
very interested in 'old stuff' in my OLD AGE.
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Saint_;1434567 wrote: Wow, that must have been a terrifying experience...
I never knew him Saint but boy, I wish I had, just to be able to talk to him.
The photographs he took himself as photographer when they went In. All black and whites. Most were handed over when Auschwitz was liberated as evidence but his own he stored In a large crate. Apparently, he never ever looked at them again and when he died, his children didn't want them so they were passed on to my husbands Mother. She kept them for years, again, never wanting to look at them. When she died, again, no-one In the family wanted them so my husband took them.
We were at a loss as what to do with them and some time ago I wrote a thread here asking for suggestions. Spot suggested we contacted some Israeli museums which we did and they jumped at the chance of acquiring them.
Sorry Val... I hijacked your thread.
I never knew him Saint but boy, I wish I had, just to be able to talk to him.
The photographs he took himself as photographer when they went In. All black and whites. Most were handed over when Auschwitz was liberated as evidence but his own he stored In a large crate. Apparently, he never ever looked at them again and when he died, his children didn't want them so they were passed on to my husbands Mother. She kept them for years, again, never wanting to look at them. When she died, again, no-one In the family wanted them so my husband took them.
We were at a loss as what to do with them and some time ago I wrote a thread here asking for suggestions. Spot suggested we contacted some Israeli museums which we did and they jumped at the chance of acquiring them.
Sorry Val... I hijacked your thread.
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Saint_;1434548 wrote: One last parting shot to Valerie. Compare the image in the pictures to my family portrait circa 1979.
You dads from Mt. Hope? That's about 10 miles north of where I live.
You dads from Mt. Hope? That's about 10 miles north of where I live.
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YZGI;1434683 wrote: You dads from Mt. Hope? That's about 10 miles north of where I live.
Yeah, we're old Kansas stock. I'd reveal more, but I'd hate to give Valerie more ammunition to shoot at me with.
Yeah, we're old Kansas stock. I'd reveal more, but I'd hate to give Valerie more ammunition to shoot at me with.
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valerie;1434601 wrote: Well, I'd say that bit about dragging the boxes down, etc. sounds
like a 'convenient' out, except that it DOES ring true. I know, because
of what I've been through in several months this year.
You "know" me better than a lot do, for longer certainly, and I you
by your reputation. You just have to realize how it reads to a person
who has seen so many stories and falsehoods from you in the past.
If you can do what you propose, I'd certainly like to see them, I've become
very interested in 'old stuff' in my OLD AGE.
Sincerely, seriously, you completely suck at apologizing.
like a 'convenient' out, except that it DOES ring true. I know, because
of what I've been through in several months this year.
You "know" me better than a lot do, for longer certainly, and I you
by your reputation. You just have to realize how it reads to a person
who has seen so many stories and falsehoods from you in the past.
If you can do what you propose, I'd certainly like to see them, I've become
very interested in 'old stuff' in my OLD AGE.
Sincerely, seriously, you completely suck at apologizing.
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oscar;1434602 wrote: Sorry Val... I hijacked your thread.Why are you apologizing when you obviously did it intentionally? The idea is to learn some self control and resist hijacking threads so you don't have to issue apologies.
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Ahso!;1434699 wrote: Why are you apologizing when you obviously did it intentionally? The idea is to learn some self control and resist hijacking threads so you don't have to issue apologies.
Valerie happens to be a dear friend of mine In a life other than Forumgarden not that It is any of your business.
You, however, are trolling.
Valerie happens to be a dear friend of mine In a life other than Forumgarden not that It is any of your business.
You, however, are trolling.
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Saint_;1434697 wrote: Sincerely, seriously, you completely suck at apologizing.
I'd do fine if I ever actually DID IT.
How 'bout YOU start apologizing, and agree that you can see WHY
I would doubt you? We can start with the "I'm adopted but my
ancestor was Abraham Lincoln" or "I bailed out of my jet before
it crashed and nuked a KMart".
:yh_bigsmi
I'd do fine if I ever actually DID IT.
How 'bout YOU start apologizing, and agree that you can see WHY
I would doubt you? We can start with the "I'm adopted but my
ancestor was Abraham Lincoln" or "I bailed out of my jet before
it crashed and nuked a KMart".
:yh_bigsmi
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oscar;1434707 wrote: Valerie happens to be a dear friend of mine In a life other than Forumgarden not that It is any of your business.
You, however, are trolling.that's your answer?
You, however, are trolling.that's your answer?
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Be the wave that I am and then
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Be the wave that I am and then
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valerie;1434714 wrote: I'd do fine if I ever actually DID IT.
How 'bout YOU start apologizing, and agree that you can see WHY
I would doubt you? We can start with the "I'm adopted but my
ancestor was Abraham Lincoln" or "I bailed out of my jet before
it crashed and nuked a KMart".
:yh_bigsmiwhat makes you think anyone gives a sh!t whether or not you believe what they post?
How 'bout YOU start apologizing, and agree that you can see WHY
I would doubt you? We can start with the "I'm adopted but my
ancestor was Abraham Lincoln" or "I bailed out of my jet before
it crashed and nuked a KMart".
:yh_bigsmiwhat makes you think anyone gives a sh!t whether or not you believe what they post?
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I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
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Be the wave that I am and then
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Ahso!;1434786 wrote: what makes you think anyone gives a sh!t whether or not you believe what they post?
What make you think anyone gives a sh!t what your opinion is either?
Whilst dragging up old history is unfortunate, it's not your fight to stir.
What make you think anyone gives a sh!t what your opinion is either?
Whilst dragging up old history is unfortunate, it's not your fight to stir.
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There are actually times when I don't give a sh!t about my own opinion.
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I care about Valerie's opinion because I like and respect her. She's told me a time or two that I was out of line and I listened to her and tried to behave. She's an asset to this forum and I wish she posted here more often.
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Bryn Mawr;1434792 wrote: What make you think anyone gives a sh!t what your opinion is either?
Whilst dragging up old history is unfortunate, it's not your fight to stir.I don't! I didn't offer an opinion - I made an observation and asked a question.
Though I do appreciate the intensity of your response. :yh_hugs
FG lacks vigor!
Whilst dragging up old history is unfortunate, it's not your fight to stir.I don't! I didn't offer an opinion - I made an observation and asked a question.
Though I do appreciate the intensity of your response. :yh_hugs
FG lacks vigor!
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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SnoozeAgain;1434819 wrote: I care about Valerie's opinion because I like and respect her. She's told me a time or two that I was out of line and I listened to her and tried to behave. She's an asset to this forum and I wish she posted here more often.Is this an elementary grade essay entry in response to a teacher's request for "Why I Care About Valerie's Opinion"? I'll give it a "D"!
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple