Fallout of writing a will

[Oscar Namechange]

It beggars belief that my posts here have been reported for apparently ' Deliberately trying to frighten Aura'.

First of all, every thread Aura has written asking for advice, It has been me above anyone else who has advised her In the past.

Second, by Aura's own admission to me In the past, she has learning difficulties and sometimes needs help.

I don't give a flying fox what anyone here thinks of me but to accuse me of ' deliberately trying to frighten a vulnerable young woman' Is bang out of order.

I disputed Tyr's post because he was leading Aura Into a false sense of security that upon her death, she would get a free funeral without her son being held responsible for any of the cost and that Is not the case depending on his circumstances at the time. His post was Inacurate and I have provided Information and links to show that.

Rather than ' Deliberately trying to frighten her', I have tried to be factual and Informative.

Aura clearly stated throughout her thread that she wishes her son to Inherit her furnature and personal effects. In order to protect her from the council taking these If Insufficient funds for a funeral are not met, then there Is a way of avoiding this and I have given her the phone number of the Co-OP who can answer all her questions. Surely that's better than giving her a load of ballony that she'll get a free funeral. She has asked for advise based on her wish her son receives her assets... that is what I have done.... advised her so she has total peace of mind that her wishes will be fulfilled.

The Info I gave her about the council being able to take furnature and assets Is well documented on the web and Aura could have read this for herself when she went looking. What I tried to do was put her mind at rest that she can avoid this and pointed her In the right direction.

To turn my genuine offer of help Into something as sinister as ' Deliberately trying tyo frighten her' Is beneath contempt.

From the man who Insists he's had me on Ignore for a year ?????

[Snooz]

I agree, that's why I told you about it.

[Oscar Namechange]

SnoozeAgain;1437974 wrote: I agree, that's why I told you about it. I am absolutely disgusted.

I work In an advisory capacity as a volunteer for ' Help the Aged'. I work with brain damaged and disabled young people. I am on commitee's designed to help the vulnerable In my area... all unpaid by the way... and I get accused of ' Deliberately trying to frighten a young woman'...oh Please !!!

[Betty Boop]

I love the way you claim to be the only person to offer Aura assistance. Aura has been here quite some time, who do you think has helped her prior to your arrival here?

You got reported for stating that Tyr's post was totally inaccurate, which it isn't, your posts however were not totally accurate, yet you berate Tyr.

When anyone posts up links it pays to research from all areas, you always appear to read little snippets of what suits you at the time then post a link. You don't read all around and therefore you never present a fully informed perspective.

No doubt Bryn, upon his return will take great joy in trying to sort out this mess.

[Oscar Namechange]

And It's disgusting the way Aura's thread Is being trashed.

When Tyr starts his post with

Aura, people are quite likely worrying you for no good reason in this thread. Don't go out wasting your money on a savings plan to cover the cost of your funeral.

What he's really saying Is ' Only listen to me'.

In fact Fuzzys advice about a trust fund was damn good advice also/

Aura came here asking questions. If you think you know what I'm thinking as I type and I am ' Deliberately frightening her' for some kick then you think It.

I just believe It's better she Is aware of all the facts and not led Into a false sense of security.

Perhaps Aura could come In here and state weather I have frightened her delibrately or not. She can also choose who's advice she takes. For the sake of her thread, I think this should stop now and wait for her to post.

The point I have made re: Tyr's post Is that he has led her to believe she can have a totally free funeral If she dies destitute. This Is misleading because she has a flat, furnature and personal effects and a bit of money that she wishes her son to have. If she dies where there are no funds to cover the cost of the funeral, the council can take the very things she wants her son to have. As per the link I provided.

[Snooz]

Betty Boop;1437998 wrote: I love the way you claim to be the only person to offer Aura assistance. Aura has been here quite some time, who do you think has helped her prior to your arrival here?

You got reported for stating that Tyr's post was totally inaccurate, which it isn't, your posts however were not totally accurate, yet you berate Tyr.

When anyone posts up links it pays to research from all areas, you always appear to read little snippets of what suits you at the time then post a link. You don't read all around and therefore you never present a fully informed perspective.

No doubt Bryn, upon his return will take great joy in trying to sort out this mess.


She's right though, she's frequently the only one that will reply in an Aura thread. Tyr responds occasionally too but Oscar has been very helpful to her. And there's no mess to sort out that I can see.

Aura, what do you think?

[Betty Boop]

oscar;1438001 wrote: And It's disgusting the way Aura's thread Is being trashed.

When Tyr starts his post with

Aura, people are quite likely worrying you for no good reason in this thread. Don't go out wasting your money on a savings plan to cover the cost of your funeral.

What he's really saying Is ' Only listen to me'.

In fact Fuzzys advice about a trust fund was damn good advice also/

Aura came here asking questions. If you think you know what I'm thinking as I type and I am ' Deliberately frightening her' for some kick then you think It.

I just believe It's better she Is aware of all the facts and not led Into a false sense of security.

Perhaps Aura could come In here and state weather I have frightened her delibrately or not. She can also choose who's advice she takes. For the sake of her thread, I think this should stop now and wait for her to post.


Here we go again, oscar cries shame on you for trashing someones thread, yet it is OSCAR that mentions the reporting in here!

Tyr's people worrying comment did not say oscar is worrying you as you seem to think. What worries Tyr and others is the incomplete information you constantly provide around here. Shame on us hey that we feel all sides should be accounted for and not just what oscar thinks someone should read.

[Oscar Namechange]

You know what ?

If Tyr or Betty had come In and said ' Oscar, you may be frightening Aura' then I could politely look at that point of view.

But Deliberatly frightening Aura ??? Dear God !!!

I'll wait for her return.

[Betty Boop]

oscar;1438004 wrote:



Deliberatly frightening Aura




Who said that and where???

[Oscar Namechange]

Betty Boop;1438006 wrote: Who said that and where??? Posted by Tyr In the reported post thread.

"Why oscar's still tolerated on this site completely baffles me".

Again, out of respect for Aura's thread, I am leaving It here

[Týr]

oscar;1438004 wrote: But Deliberatly frightening Aura ??? Dear God !!!


In my own defence I'd quite like my Report pasting into this thread please, to compare it with this alleged quote.

[Betty Boop]

oscar;1438008 wrote: Posted by Tyr In the reported post thread.

"Why oscar's still tolerated on this site completely baffles me".

Again, out of respect for Aura's thread, I am leaving It here


My point being no one actually said it, least of all Tyr.

Out of respect for Aura's thread I will leave it here, shame on you for bringing it here.

[Oscar Namechange]

Betty Boop;1438011 wrote: My point being no one actually said it, least of all Tyr.

Out of respect for Aura's thread I will leave it here, shame on you for bringing it here. Oh right Betty... such as the conversation between two forum garden members that you cut and pasted from Facebook and posted here for all to see.

Lead by example please.

[Oscar Namechange]

The main reason I questioned Tyr's post was after he advised Aura to do this,

Posted by Tyr

"You can google:

"destitute funeral" england

if you want to see more details."

I am more than aware of Aura's situation and didn't want her misled over the meaning of destitute because yes, If you are destitute the council will pay for a funeral.

But let's define ' Destitution'.

destitute

adjective /ˈdes.tɪ.tjuːt/ US /-t̬ɪ.tuːt/

º without money, food, a home, or possessions:

The floods left thousands of people destitute.

Destitute | Easy to understand definition of destitute by Your Dictionary

des·ti·tute [des-ti-toot, -tyoot] Show IPA adjective, verb, des·ti·tut·ed, des·ti·tut·ing.

adjective

1.

without means of subsistence; lacking food, clothing, and shelter.

2.

deprived of, devoid of, or lacking (often followed by of ): destitute of children.

verb (used with object)

3.

to leave destitute.

Aura Is not destitute. She has a flat, furnature, personal possessions and Intends to leave her son a little money. That Is not destitute by any definition.

I did not want her misled that everything would be free and misled Into thinking her situation was deemed ' Destitute'.

All I tried to do was offer some links with factual Information about the pro's and con's. My link was not Inaccurate about the council taking furnature to help towards the cost if family do not want to make the arrangements. I am assuming she will have a long life and her son will be adult when the time comes. I merely wished that she not be misled Into thinking It would be automaticly free and would depend on her son's circumstances at the time should he wish to arrange the funeral.

I have not tried to frighten Aura. All I have done Is try to help.

Perhaps If Tyr used a more appropriate word than ' Destitute', I would not have been worried about her being confused by this.

[Oscar Namechange]

Let's go further..

If Aura had followed Tyr's advice and googled ' Destitute Funeral England', she would have found this.

Frankly, that would certainly have frightened the life out of her and yet my post gets reported and Insisting It's removed for being Innacurate and frightening.

This Is what aura would have found had she taken Tyr's advice,

Cornwall Council - Environmental Protection - Destitute Funerals

That's what came up when I googled Destitute Funeral England.

This usually occurs when a person, quite often elderly and perhaps lonely or reclusive, dies with no or no known family. Where environmental protection make such arrangements, where possible costs incurred as well as officer time will be recovered from the estate or through the seizure of assets.

There are two main types of financial assistance available for people who are unable to pay for a funeral in way of a funeral payment or as a bereavement payment - which can help towards funeral expenses, although the deceased may have arrangements through a pre-paid plan or life insurance etc.. that covers funeral costs.

Where Public Health and Protection have to make arrangements for a burial/cremation there is a charge for doing so which is currently set at £1023 (no VAT) + undertaker fees at cost + any additional charges at cost. This is to cover our expenses incurred, and we have powers to recover expenses from estates.

And you think this Is acceptable and my post frightening? Really ? And you wonder why I questioned his post ?

[Oscar Namechange]

Let's go further.

It even depends on which council you live under as to the help you will get..... one example.

Public Health Funerals

The council does not currently provide a destitute or statutory funeral as a matter of course.

- See more at: Public Health Funerals

[Snooz]

I'd like to hear Aura's opinion but from what I saw, she didn't seem frightened, intimidated or confused by your posts, Oscar. She asked the question and I think she's fully capable of taking in the information without someone spoonfeeding it to her.

[Oscar Namechange]

SnoozeAgain;1438035 wrote: I'd like to hear Aura's opinion but from what I saw, she didn't seem frightened, intimidated or confused by your posts, Oscar. She asked the question and I think she's fully capable of taking in the information without someone spoonfeeding it to her. Aura Is vulnerable Yes, but she's not stupid... It's the condescending, patronising ' oh don't you worry your pretty little head' when she has asked for advice.

Only to go on and offer her to google something that could frighten her. I hope I have put her mind at rest that she can call the Co-OP on the number I gave her and she will get professional advice.

[Betty Boop]

oscar;1438004 wrote: Deliberatly frightening Aura ??? Dear God !!!




Betty Boop;1438006 wrote: Who said that and where???


oscar;1438008 wrote: Posted by Tyr In the reported post thread.

"Why oscar's still tolerated on this site completely baffles me".

Again, out of respect for Aura's thread, I am leaving It here


:rolleyes:

[Betty Boop]

oscar;1438004 wrote: You know what ?

If Tyr or Betty had come In and said ' Oscar, you may be frightening Aura' then I could politely look at that point of view.

But Deliberatly frightening Aura ??? Dear God !!!

I'll wait for her return.


Betty Boop;1438006 wrote: Who said that and where???


oscar;1438008 wrote: Posted by Tyr In the reported post thread.

"Why oscar's still tolerated on this site completely baffles me".

Again, out of respect for Aura's thread, I am leaving It here


For clarity, no one said anyone deliberately frightened anyone, as Tyr requested this is what his reported post actually said in black and white.

Reported Post by Týr

Týr has reported a post.

Reason:

Can someone please remind oscar that Aura needs careful handling. And could someone please delete this appallingly stupid and inaccurate post completely before Aura gets to read it. Why oscar's still tolerated on this site completely baffles me.


The argument is not about someone frightening another it's about the correct facts being submitted, it's that simple.

[Oscar Namechange]

Betty Boop;1438038 wrote: For clarity, no one said anyone deliberately frightened anyone, as Tyr requested this is what his reported post actually said in black and white.



The argument is not about someone frightening another it's about the correct facts being submitted, it's that simple.




To tell her to google Destitution Funerals Is misleading and Inaccurate, She Is not destitute.

[Týr]

Betty Boop;1438038 wrote: The argument is not about someone frightening another it's about the correct facts being submitted, it's that simple.


On a point of information, the use of the google term was intended not to describe the nature of the person buried but to easily locate the Cornwall Council page from which oscar finally, though partially, quoted. The web page makes quite clear, from a position of authority, the fact that everyone within the county will - not may be, but will - be given a decent funeral by the council regardless of their wealth or poverty or class. It will - not may, but will - happen if nobody in the community, relative or otherwise, volunteers to pay for the funeral themselves. It applies to everyone dying within the county from the Queen down, and in the case of the Queen it's a pretty accurate description of what happens in practice anyway. The web page also notes that the council will then take its place in the queue of debtors to the estate.

There is not a word of truth in the "appallingly stupid and inaccurate post" which I reported and, given that it was directed to Aura of all people, the appallingly stupidity and inaccuracy is the sole reason I reported it with the intention of having it deleted and oscar either rebuked or, finally and preferably, thrown permanently off the site. I maintain that the report was entirely accurate and the end result still desirable.

[Oscar Namechange]

Let's break this down.

This Is my post to Aura that Tyr wants me banned for:

Taken from this link.

Death & Bereavement - West Somerset Council

A council funeral known as a Paupers funeral can only apply where there are no Immediate family and no assets of the deceased.

In your case, If your son Is adult upon your death and a beneficary of your will, then he can be responsible for your funeral costs. In your case, as you have a home and furnature, the council would sell off anything you have to help pay for your funeral.

If the deceased left furniture or other personal effects arrangements will be made for the disposal of these items and any money recovered offset against the cost of the funeral.

If possible the cost of the funeral is met out of the estate of the deceased, or from a spouse or a parent. If details of family and friends are found they will be informed of the death and invited to make the funeral arrangements. If it is not possible to contact a spouse or a parent the cost will be met by the Council.

This Is taken from the link that Tyr pointed Aura to under google ' Destitution Funerals England'

This usually occurs when a person, quite often elderly and perhaps lonely or reclusive, dies with no or no known family. Where environmental protection make such arrangements, where possible costs incurred as well as officer time will be recovered from the estate or through the seizure of assets.

There are two main types of financial assistance available for people who are unable to pay for a funeral in way of a funeral payment or as a bereavement payment - which can help towards funeral expenses, although the deceased may have arrangements through a pre-paid plan or life insurance etc.. that covers funeral costs.

Where Public Health and Protection have to make arrangements for a burial/cremation there is a charge for doing so which is currently set at £1023 (no VAT) + undertaker fees at cost + any additional charges at cost. This is to cover our expenses incurred, and we have powers to recover expenses from estates.

On one hand, the reported post Is saying we must treat Aura with kid gloves and on the other hand she's directed to this site which says exactly the same as I told her which Is her furnature can be taken If there's no will or relative willing to arrange the funeral.

Tyr's reckoning here Is that her furnature or assets won't be seized because they would be In a long line of other people queuing for money. This Is quite Insulting to Aura. He's assuming she will die In debt with a string of debtors behind her which I am sure she will not be doing.

[Snooz]

As I said in the reported post thread, Aura seems fully capable of filtering what she reads and making her own decisions since she's obviously an intelligent person capable of owning and using a computer and posting coherent comments on this forum. I still feel it's incredibly patronizing to attempt to spoon feed her what you think she can understand or cope emotionally with.

[flopstock]

I'd rather come in and deal with the spammers who aren't supposed to be caring that they are shitting all over this place.

I see nothing in this thread that could not be handled via PM with BM, if for no other reason than it involves comments about another member NOT involved in this asinine fued.

But I'll leave it to BM. That's his job, thank god. He's welcome to put it back out there.

[Snooz]

Was it my post that said Aura is an intelligent and capable woman? Yeah, that was wrong of me. Sorry.

[flopstock]

SnoozeAgain;1438054 wrote: Was it my post that said Aura is an intelligent and capable woman? Yeah, that was wrong of me. Sorry.


I had already moved it at that point.

[FG-administator]

I've put it back out there myself. There's too much sweeping under carpets gone on in the past.

[flopstock]

FG;1438059 wrote: I've put it back out there myself. There's too much sweeping under carpets gone on in the past.


Is this Spot? or BM?

[FG-administator]

flopstock;1438061 wrote: Is this Spot? or BM?
Spot, since BM's out of the country. The argument over the use of the Compost Pile has been going on for years. This issue needs dealing with in public. Hiding it from, among others, oscar, is not a reasonable way forward.

[Oscar Namechange]

Having slept on this, I think we need to take stock and understand that we all have our hearts In the right place ie helping Aura. That was certainly my only Intention. I have advised her on Issue's before and used the same style of posting In those threads but no-one has ever reported my post.

I just didn't want Aura misled Into believing she could have a Destitution Funeral when she doesn't fit the criteria required. ie homeless with no family.

The links that Tyr and myself posted are the same Information that If no-one In the family Is willing to pay for the funeral, the council can take possessions... In fact, that's exactly what Tyr's link stated also.

If I know anything about Aura from my dealings with her In the past, I know that she likes plain speaking

The thread has now turned Into who's right and who's wrong and ego's brought In when It's ridiculous that the link Tyr posted and the link I posted say the same thing.

I didn't set out to argue with anyone. I offered her my opinion based on Information from the official web site that I posted. I feel to have that post reported with a call to have me banned, was a personal attack and not an Issue with the Information I had given her.

In hindsight, I concede that Tyr did not say I had deliberately frightened Aura so I am happy to apologise for Implying that but the reported post was reported on the grounds that she needed treating with kid gloves and my Information could have frightened her. This Is what happens when members assume they know someone better than all others.

I have helped Aura In the past In the same style and I have her best Interests at heart. I was annoyed that I be accused of making such an offensive post that I should be banned. It's a difference of opinion that's all. Especially when she was pointed In the direction of Destitution Funerals that clearly stated her assets could be seized.

[Týr]

oscar;1438063 wrote: That was certainly my only Intention.
I do not for one moment believe you. I believe your post was a reaction to mine and made in an attempt to trash my post. It was also entirely inaccurate and misleading on a purely factual basis as anyone going back and reading it can discover for themselves.

The number of topics I'd like to bring up on this site is legion. The sole reason I feel unable to do so is your continued presence here. I have every reason in the world for my belief.

[flopstock]

You kids have fun. Eventually you will get your wish and have only each other left to impress.

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438065 wrote: I do not for one moment believe you. I believe your post was a reaction to mine and made in an attempt to trash my post. It was also entirely inaccurate and misleading on a purely factual basis as anyone going back and reading it can discover for themselves.

The number of topics I'd like to bring up on this site is legion. The sole reason I feel unable to do so is your continued presence here. I have every reason in the world for my belief. No It wasn't Tyr. You are way to sensitive. I would have happilly politely debated with you as to why i believed that pointed Aura Into the direction of Destitution funerals was wrong and misleading to her. Reporting my post was a knee jerk reaction because I was genuinly concerned she may be misled by your post.

You stated to Aura that the council If paying for her funeral would be behind a long line of other debtors waiting for their money. That's assuming she dies In debt.

Regardless, I know you like to be right Tyr but you are wrong on that one also and you could have misled her.

Taken from link.

Once you’ve received the grant of probate/confirmation, whoever is dealing with the estate needs to use the money in the estate to pay off any outstanding debts.This needs to be done before the estate can be distributed to beneficiaries.

If there isn’t enough money, this can mean having to sell assets, including property.

If the value of the estate is not enough to pay off all the debts owed by the deceased, this is known as an 'insolvent estate'. Where this is the case, the personal representative must payoff what debts they can in the following priority order.

Secured debts such as mortgage and secured personal loans.

Reasonable funeral costs and the costs of administering the estate.

Unsecured debts, such as credit cards, unsecured personal loans, gas, water and telephone bills, unpaid rent, Council Tax and other taxes, and repayment of overpaid benefits.

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/e ... o-has-died

Aura does not have a mortgage, thus, the very first people who will be paid, by selling her assets Is the funeral costa and not the last as you Implied to her.

[Týr]

flopstock;1438067 wrote: You kids have fun. Eventually you will get your wish and have only each other left to impress.


This isn't a matter of weighing how many posts each side makes in an argument, it's about considering what was said by whom and when. I'm sick of my behavior being equated with that of oscar.

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438071 wrote: This isn't a matter of weighing how many posts each side makes in an argument, it's about considering what was said by whom and when. I'm sick of my behavior being equated with that of oscar.
Then debate It Tyr.

Throughout I have given Information and links to show why your post to Aura was Inaccurate and could mislead her Into making the wrong decision which was my primary concern at your post and why I questioned It. If any member had made the same post, I would have told them It was misleading. You have offered nothing to show that my post was Inaccurate. I have supplied all the Information with bono fide official links to show you are wrong. If you still believe you are right then debate It and offer some counter Information.

[Týr]

Will you please stop goading.

The information is entirely there in the thread. My post #24 (made before the report) is totally factually accurate, your response #25 which I reported is totally factually inaccurate, anyone reading the two of them can quite easily confirm this assertion. I have no more intention of discussing any of this with you than I have of sunbathing in hell.

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438076 wrote: Will you please stop goading.

The information is entirely there in the thread. My post #24 (made before the report) is totally factually accurate, your response #25 which I reported is totally factually inaccurate, anyone reading the two of them can quite easily confirm this assertion. I have no more intention of discussing any of this with you than I have of sunbathing in hell. The Information you have given Aura Is misleading, Inaccurate and quite reckless. I have shown evidence to prove that. I'll bid you a good day.

And you know what? If Bryn bans me then so be It. All I have ever been concerned about from the very start Is that Aura gets all the Information she needs Including the Pitfalls. I believe that is the best course of action rather than the misleading Information she's been given that she Is entitled to a destitution funeral when she has family and that the Council would be the last In the queue to take her assets. You have and can not offer anything to show otherwise.

My concern throughout Is that Aura Is not misled and you Immediately turned this Into a personal attack last night by reporting my post and calling for me to be banned for being Insensitive toward her because you think you know me. It was nothing more than an excuse to call for my ban again because I dare question the Inaccurate post you made.

I have been polite and civil toward you throughout but this, with you, Is no longer about Aura getting the best advice but about you scoring points which we are all very aware only happens when Bryn Is away. You also claimed you had me on Ignore for a year and this Is clearly not the case. This boils down to the fact that you can not stomach anyone lest of all me, being a little more Informed on a subject than you and you just have to be right whatever It takes.

If Bryn allows me to continue here then believe me, you will be on Ignore.

I'd have more respect If you tried to debate or offered any counter-claim as I have offered but you can only be nasty and continue with this drive to see me banned. Always when Bryn's away. I'll leave It up to him but to report my post because I have offered genuine help to another member and something I have put a great deal of research In on her behalf Is just sour grapes.

The Council would be the last In the queue to reclaim funeral costs?????? Dear God, how uninformed you are.

[Týr]

oscar;1438081 wrote: The Council would be the last In the queue to reclaim funeral costs?????? Dear God, how uninformed you are.


Go on, I'll bite. Where did I say it would be? Because I doubt very much I did.

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438087 wrote: Go on, I'll bite. Where did I say it would be? Because I doubt very much I did.


Posted by Tyr

On a point of information, the use of the google term was intended not to describe the nature of the person buried but to easily locate the Cornwall Council page from which oscar finally, though partially, quoted. The web page makes quite clear, from a position of authority, the fact that everyone within the county will - not may be, but will - be given a decent funeral by the council regardless of their wealth or poverty or class. It will - not may, but will - happen if nobody in the community, relative or otherwise, volunteers to pay for the funeral themselves. It applies to everyone dying within the county from the Queen down, and in the case of the Queen it's a pretty accurate description of what happens in practice anyway. The web page also notes that the council will then take its place in the queue of debtors to the estate.

The Council are second In line for payment after mortgages. Aura has no mortgage making them first In line.

Secured debts such as mortgage and secured personal loans.

Reasonable funeral costs and the costs of administering the estate.

Unsecured debts, such as credit cards, unsecured personal loans, gas, water and telephone bills, unpaid rent, Council Tax and other taxes, and repayment of overpaid benefits.

https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/e ... o-has-died

You are assuming she will die In debt.

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438048 wrote: On a point of information, the use of the google term was intended not to describe the nature of the person buried but to easily locate the Cornwall Council page from which oscar finally, though partially, quoted.

So where has your post telling Aura to google Destitution Funerals England gone ? It's not In this thread nor In the original thread.

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... ill-3.html

It appears to have been deleted. If my memory serves me correctly, that was the post where you said the council would be the last In a long queue wanting money.

Yet In this thread you admit to telling her to google Destitution Funerals England.

Where has your post gone ?

[Týr]

Firstly, I was accurately condensing the relevant part of the referenced council web page.

Secondly, there is no contradiction at all between "The web page also notes that the council will then take its place in the queue of debtors to the estate" and "The Council are second In line for payment after mortgages. Aura has no mortgage making them first In line".

The typical shoddy oscar lie is "The Council would be the last In the queue to reclaim funeral costs?????? Dear God, how uninformed you are". I have nowhere suggested the council would be last in the queue. You throw these lies in hoping they'll stick like mud. It merely shows you up as disreputable.

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438094 wrote: Firstly, I was accurately condensing the relevant part of the referenced council web page.

Secondly, there is no contradiction at all between "The web page also notes that the council will then take its place in the queue of debtors to the estate" and "The Council are second In line for payment after mortgages. Aura has no mortgage making them first In line".

The typical shoddy oscar lie is "The Council would be the last In the queue to reclaim funeral costs?????? Dear God, how uninformed you are". I have nowhere suggested the council would be last in the queue. You throw these lies in hoping they'll stick like mud. It merely shows you up as disreputable.


Where has your post gone telling Aura to google Destitution Funerals England.

[Oscar Namechange]

Posted by Tyr

On a point of information, the use of the google term was intended not to describe the nature of the person buried but to easily locate the Cornwall Council page from which oscar finally, though partially, quoted

Why would you be directing her to the Cornwall Council page? That makes no sense. She lives In Bournmouth and would come under Dorset.

Where has that post gone? The one that started with :

Posted by Tyr

Aura, people are quite likely worrying you for no good reason in this thread. Don't go out wasting your money on a savings plan to cover the cost of your funeral.

As Bryn Is not here, why were you logged on as the FG admin account and also Tyr? Was FG account deleting posts? Just asking only we are wondering why your post has vanished.

[Týr]

It's still in the original thread, of course. It's post #24, and your reply to it in post #25 is the post I reported.

The words '"destitute funeral" england' bring up the Cornwall Council page and also a succession of other relevant pages. It was the Cornwall Council page that I thought best summed up the position with regard to funerals for people for whom no other provision was being made. The position described is true and identical in all counties of England.

[Snooz]

So how is having Oscar on ignore working out for you?

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438099 wrote: It's still in the original thread, of course. It's post #24, and your reply to it in post #25 is the post I reported.

The words '"destitute funeral" england' bring up the Cornwall Council page and also a succession of other relevant pages. It was the Cornwall Council page that I thought best summed up the position with regard to funerals for people for whom no other provision was being made. The position described is true and identical in all counties of England.


Thank you. That's explained that.

Yet you reported my post because you said ' Can someone please remind oscar that Aura needs careful handling' yet you blatantly directed her to a site that In the first few paragraphs told her that her assets could be seized which Is exactly what you complained about when I wrote my post.

Further more, having patronised Aura by saying she needs ' Careful Handling', you direct her to a site where you expect her to navigate her way through pages of ' other relevant pages' In official speak and expect her to understand It all.

You have contradicted yourself. Directing her to that site was as crass as you claim I have been.

You are excusing reporting my post by saying Aura needs handling with kid gloves only to write ' you can google Destitution Funerals England' .

So If she needs handling with kid gloves, do you not think that on seeing the words ' Destitution Funeral' she may be misled Into believing her funeral would be totally free? Or are now now claiming she's savvy enough to work out that Is not what you meant? Because It can't be both can It ?

[AnneBoleyn]

Oy vay narishkeit :-5

[Týr]

oscar;1438102 wrote: which Is exactly what you complained about when I wrote my post.You seem incapable of accuracy or honesty. I made no such complaint.

I wrote post #24 which has no error in it anywhere. After two sentences of informed opinion it is thereafter an entirely factual statement with no inaccuracies whatever.

Your post, which I reported, begins "Tyr's post Is totally Inaccurate" to which I took exception, and follows on with a blatant falsehood: "A council funeral known as a Paupers funeral can only apply where there are no Immediate family and no assets of the deceased" - and it's tosh. You know it's not true, I know it's not true, I have no idea at all why you wrote it. The rest of the post is coloured by that idiocy.

My report of your post #25 stands. It was a deliberate attack on my post ("Tyr's post Is totally Inaccurate") and knowingly false.

[Oscar Namechange]

Týr;1438099 wrote:

The words '"destitute funeral" england' bring up the Cornwall Council page and also a succession of other relevant pages. It was the Cornwall Council page that I thought best summed up the position with regard to funerals for people for whom no other provision was being made. The position described is true and identical in all counties of England.


And the first paragraph she would have seen was this:



Where Public Health and Protection have to make arrangements for a burial/cremation there is a charge for doing so which is currently set at £1023 (no VAT) + undertaker fees at cost + any additional charges at cost. This is to cover our expenses incurred, and we have powers to recover expenses from estates.



"the position with regard to funerals for people for whom no other provision was being made"...

You are assuming that upon her death there will be no relatives who will want to make those provisions. She has a son whom I'm sure as an adult will wish to make provisions for her.