Chicago crime rate drops, concealed carry applications surge

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:37 am

Another success story of when citizens are allowed to exercise their natural rights.

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

I don't share this exuberance of Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect, said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association.

Does lawful carry of weapons deter crime?

No doubt it does. The problem is how to measure the deterrence. Of all the studies on the subject one done by John Lott who wrote More Guns, Less Crime by for the most convincing.

It took a Supreme Court ruling to free the citizens of the Democratic controlled city of Chicago, and much of the rest of the nation.

Illinois became the 50th state in the nation to issue concealed weapons permits. An individual permit costs about $600 and requires at least 16 hours of classes.

$600 bucks and 16 hours of class, to exercise an Inalienable Right.

Long story short, no blood in the streets due to legal carry of guns.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:19 pm

Maybe we should do the same in London.......all start carrying.........you do make me laugh Tude......you believe it.

London Murder rates 42 year low

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:50 pm

Bruv;1462808 wrote: Maybe we should do the same in London.......all start carrying.........you do make me laugh Tude......you believe it.

London Murder rates 42 year low

Good for London!

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:14 pm

Simple way to eliminate crime at a stroke - Do away with laws.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:22 pm

tude dog;1462811 wrote: Good for London!

Good for UK...........maybe we could wipe out all crime if we all carried. UK Crime falls

What do you think Tude ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:41 pm

Bruv;1462814 wrote: Good for UK...........maybe we could wipe out all crime if we all carried. UK Crime falls

What do you think Tude ?

I've written before about the drop in crime in the US.

FBI reports a drop in crime in 2013

The overall decline follows a national trend that is 10 years in the making, says Tod Burke, a criminologist at Radford University in Radford, Va. “The trend is downward. This is all good news, he says.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation reported Tuesday that homicides dropped nearly 7 percent in the first half of 2013, compared with the same period a year earlier. Violent crime fell 5 percent. The greatest drop in homicides, 14.5 percent, took place in the Northeast, but other regions also reported a falloff in homicide rates: the West (6.9 percent), South (5.4 percent) and Midwest (4.3 percent).

I've wondered how long this will last.

LarryAllen · Post by **LarryAllen** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:52 pm

Some folks attribute the reduction in the crime rate to banning lead in Gasoline.

America's Real Criminal Element: Lead | Mother Jones

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:52 pm

tude dog;1462806 wrote: Does lawful carry of weapons deter crime?

No doubt it does.

No doubt indeed. It's a stone-cold fact. Just think of how many more Jews might have perished if the Nazis were dis-armed! Or the number of Bosnians who would have disappeared if the Serbs didn't have enough guns to go round! And I'm sure the slaughter rate of every-day American student, post-office employee, and shopper would quadruple if the U.S. population were to be denied their pop-guns.

Give 'em guns, Mavis! And be quick about it! Time's a-wasting!

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:14 pm

LarryAllen;1462826 wrote: Some folks attribute the reduction in the crime rate to banning lead in Gasoline.

Reliable sources tell me that the Chicago crime rate dropped because of the strike up to the Borden's Milk Farm. At a press conference M. O'Leary said that his bovines demanded wider stalls so they could lie down on Sundays. Naturally, the down-time stoppages at the farm meant that the criminal element in the greater Chicago area (and tri-state in general) were denied the "extra kick" of protein and antacids, thus rendering them much more docile. :yh_cow

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:50 am

My feelings about the reported drops in related countries?

A change in the way crime is reported.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:54 am

tude dog;1462806 wrote: Another success story of when citizens are allowed to exercise their natural rights.

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry applications surge

I don't share this exuberance of Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association.

Does lawful carry of weapons deter crime?

No doubt it does. The problem is how to measure the deterrence. Of all the studies on the subject one done by John Lott who wrote More Guns, Less Crime by for the most convincing.

It took a Supreme Court ruling to free the citizens of the Democratic controlled city of Chicago, and much of the rest of the nation.

$600 bucks and 16 hours of class, to exercise an Inalienable Right.

Long story short, no blood in the streets due to legal carry of guns.

Two points, firstly it is not a "natural right" to carry complex, man made, instruments of death and secondly, why measure the fall in robberries leading to an arrest rather that robberies reported? What are they trying to manipulate by taking a secondary measure rather that the prime statistic?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:16 am

Bruv;1462840 wrote: My feelings about the reported drops in related countries?

A change in the way crime is reported.

Too often that is the case.

Not just for crime, but any subject where there are folk with an interest in the outcome.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:56 am

Bryn Mawr;1462856 wrote: Two points, firstly it is not a "natural right" to carry complex, man made, instruments of death

The "natural" right I referred to is the right to defend oneself, not the means.

Bryn Mawr;1462856 wrote: and secondly, why measure the fall in robberries leading to an arrest rather that robberies reported? What are they trying to manipulate by taking a secondary measure rather that the prime statistic?

Both should be reported.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Aug 26, 2014 5:48 pm

High Threshold;1462838 wrote: Reliable sources tell me that the Chicago crime rate dropped because of the strike up to the Borden's Milk Farm. At a press conference M. O'Leary said that his bovines demanded wider stalls so they could lie down on Sundays. Naturally, the down-time stoppages at the farm meant that the criminal element in the greater Chicago area (and tri-state in general) were denied the "extra kick" of protein and antacids, thus rendering them much more docile. :yh_cow
They could be accused of 1st degree m'udder.