I received notification of a Private Members' Bill going before the Commons to amend the Bedroom Tax.
Individual Party Politics aside (as I believe this to be a cross-party issue), if you agree that something needs to be done about this tax, please consider emailing your MP, as requested in the link:
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/sp ... edroom-tax
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You voted them in to office Why don't you southerners stop voting tory if you are so concerned about their policies.
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I support the Bedroom Tax...
It however, needs tweaking to exempt those who have carers.
It however, needs tweaking to exempt those who have carers.
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Oscar Namechange;1463490 wrote: I support the Bedroom Tax...
It however, needs tweaking to exempt those who have carers.
It needs to be thought through.
It however, needs tweaking to exempt those who have carers.
It needs to be thought through.
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gmc;1463495 wrote: It needs to be thought through. I agree but the essence of It was right.
I can only speak from my experience In housing when we had families In bed and breakfast waiting years for accomodation while we had single elderly rattling around around In four bed houses.
The other problem was, there was a shortage of one and two beds social housing In order to downsize single Inhabitants.
The tax was Introduced before local authorities could actually build more one and two beds creating a bottle neck.
Then we have some elderly, there are four In my street alone simply refusing to budge and no legislation In place to force them to do so. Their answer Is that It's their home and where they have lived for 50 years but over-look the fact that they are actually tenants and subject to eviction just as a private landlord can evict given the correct procedure.
I can only speak from my experience In housing when we had families In bed and breakfast waiting years for accomodation while we had single elderly rattling around around In four bed houses.
The other problem was, there was a shortage of one and two beds social housing In order to downsize single Inhabitants.
The tax was Introduced before local authorities could actually build more one and two beds creating a bottle neck.
Then we have some elderly, there are four In my street alone simply refusing to budge and no legislation In place to force them to do so. Their answer Is that It's their home and where they have lived for 50 years but over-look the fact that they are actually tenants and subject to eviction just as a private landlord can evict given the correct procedure.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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gmc;1463485 wrote: You voted them in to office Why don't you southerners stop voting tory if you are so concerned about their policies.
I beg your pardon ???? I most certainly did NOT !!! I am a staunch Labour supporter. The only time I've ever voted Tory (I'm ashamed to say) was when Maggie first got in after I'd been brainwashed by my family (my Father was so Right Wing he'd make Oscar look Left of Labour). After he tried to abuse me one time too many, I turned on him, knocked him through the back door & walked out. That's when I ended up on the streets & got to experience what the REAL world was like. Once experienced, never forgotten.
I understand the PRINCIPLE behind the Bedroom Tax, but if they were to reward those who were to downgrade those who moved into more appropriate accommodation, rather than penalising those that didn't I'm sure they'd get far more support & much less opposition.
I beg your pardon ???? I most certainly did NOT !!! I am a staunch Labour supporter. The only time I've ever voted Tory (I'm ashamed to say) was when Maggie first got in after I'd been brainwashed by my family (my Father was so Right Wing he'd make Oscar look Left of Labour). After he tried to abuse me one time too many, I turned on him, knocked him through the back door & walked out. That's when I ended up on the streets & got to experience what the REAL world was like. Once experienced, never forgotten.
I understand the PRINCIPLE behind the Bedroom Tax, but if they were to reward those who were to downgrade those who moved into more appropriate accommodation, rather than penalising those that didn't I'm sure they'd get far more support & much less opposition.
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FourPart;1463504 wrote: I understand the PRINCIPLE behind the Bedroom Tax, but if they were to reward those who were to downgrade those who moved into more appropriate accommodation, rather than penalising those that didn't I'm sure they'd get far more support & much less opposition.
Reward, how exactly ?
Councils all over the country are strapped for cash due to government cut backs In council expenditure.
Take my area as one example, no new schools can be built, street lights turned off, households now having to pay for green waste to be removed, grass verges to only be cut twice a year etc etc... all to save money.
So you expect the Councils to reward those who are being downright selfish how exactly?
What, give them cash that the council doesn't have and that would see more cutbacks In the area for the tax payers? How much resentment and anger do you think that would create.?
They are tenants !!!!
The downfall In the housing shortage Is due to legislation not being put Into place Initially.
Do you really think It fair that young children live In Bed and breakfast or unsuitable private accomodation for years while single, elderly occupy a four bedroom house?
Reward, how exactly ?
Councils all over the country are strapped for cash due to government cut backs In council expenditure.
Take my area as one example, no new schools can be built, street lights turned off, households now having to pay for green waste to be removed, grass verges to only be cut twice a year etc etc... all to save money.
So you expect the Councils to reward those who are being downright selfish how exactly?
What, give them cash that the council doesn't have and that would see more cutbacks In the area for the tax payers? How much resentment and anger do you think that would create.?
They are tenants !!!!
The downfall In the housing shortage Is due to legislation not being put Into place Initially.
Do you really think It fair that young children live In Bed and breakfast or unsuitable private accomodation for years while single, elderly occupy a four bedroom house?
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Oscar Namechange;1463514 wrote: Reward, how exactly ?
They are tenants !!!!
I thank you for making up my mind.
Have joined the Email campaign to get the Bedroom Tax changed.
They are Tenants !!!!! ????
What a contemptuous exclamation, could you please explain the reasoning behind such a put down.
They are tenants !!!!
I thank you for making up my mind.
Have joined the Email campaign to get the Bedroom Tax changed.
They are Tenants !!!!! ????
What a contemptuous exclamation, could you please explain the reasoning behind such a put down.
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Oscar Namechange;1463514 wrote: The downfall In the housing shortage Is due to legislation not being put Into place Initially.
No No No Nooooooo it bloody wasn't.
It was almost certainly down to the country getting brainwashed in the greedy reign of the Thatchmeister into believing we would all be better off owning our own homes.
There after the housing stock being taken out of council hands and into private landlord's hands by degrees, so now councils have to pay over the odds to house there own tenants in private accomodation.
No No No Nooooooo it bloody wasn't.
It was almost certainly down to the country getting brainwashed in the greedy reign of the Thatchmeister into believing we would all be better off owning our own homes.
There after the housing stock being taken out of council hands and into private landlord's hands by degrees, so now councils have to pay over the odds to house there own tenants in private accomodation.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1463519 wrote: No No No Nooooooo it bloody wasn't.
It was almost certainly down to the country getting brainwashed in the greedy reign of the Thatchmeister into believing we would all be better off owning our own homes.
There after the housing stock being taken out of council hands and into private landlord's hands by degrees, so now councils have to pay over the odds to house there own tenants in private accomodation. Then I will rephrase that because I am In agreement that the right to buy scheme under Thatcher created a dire shortage of social housing.
It was In the main that but legislation was not put In place for local councils to evict and downsize those single people now In four and three beds. As It stands, councils have not actual agreement with those tenants that gives them the right to forcibly downsize.
It was almost certainly down to the country getting brainwashed in the greedy reign of the Thatchmeister into believing we would all be better off owning our own homes.
There after the housing stock being taken out of council hands and into private landlord's hands by degrees, so now councils have to pay over the odds to house there own tenants in private accomodation. Then I will rephrase that because I am In agreement that the right to buy scheme under Thatcher created a dire shortage of social housing.
It was In the main that but legislation was not put In place for local councils to evict and downsize those single people now In four and three beds. As It stands, councils have not actual agreement with those tenants that gives them the right to forcibly downsize.
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So, someone who might have been born in a Council house. They live there all their lives, looking after their parents in their twilight years. When their parents passed on, they took over the tenancy, raising their own families in the Family Home. The kids grow up & move into homes of their own. Then, this elderly couple (or perhaps widow(er)), who may have even been working all their adult lives, are now to be hammered because they don't want to move out of their Happy, Family Home into a poky concrete block.
That's what the Bedroom Tax is all about. It doesn't even allow for how long someone's been living there. It's just downright evil, brought about by a Right wing Government to get those who can least afford it to subsidise tax cuts for those that already have more money than they know what to do with.
That's what the Bedroom Tax is all about. It doesn't even allow for how long someone's been living there. It's just downright evil, brought about by a Right wing Government to get those who can least afford it to subsidise tax cuts for those that already have more money than they know what to do with.
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Oscar Namechange;1463514 wrote: They are tenants !!!!
In case you miss my query......
What a contemptuous exclamation, could you please explain the reasoning behind such a put down.
In case you miss my query......
What a contemptuous exclamation, could you please explain the reasoning behind such a put down.
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Bruv;1463526 wrote: In case you miss my query......
What a contemptuous exclamation, could you please explain the reasoning behind such a put down.
Sigh
When allocated social housing, even 50 years ago, they would have signed a tenancy agreement. Many Councils In the country have sold their entire housing stock to other authorities and again, there may have been amendments of tenancy agreements other than the original;
EG Some In my village while Council, had a tenancy agreement that stated they could keep as many dogs as they liked providing they were not a nuisance. When Merlin bought out all the Council stock In South Glou, that was changed to only two dogs per household.
The point Is, they are tenants at the mercy of tenancy agreements, whether they signed them 50 years ago or today. Council or any other authority, are landlords. If a private landlord went to his tenant and gave 2 months notice because he needed the property, there Is nothing the tenant can do.
When Councils and authorities go to a tenant and say, we need your house because we have families living In one room, they are tenants, yet many refuse to budge because the legislation was not set In place that gave housing authorities the right to evict In those circumstances. They forget they are tenants and believe length of time In the house means they stay there forever while families pay extortionate private rents. That Is not right.
Don't try and twist my words. I merely pointed out that they signed tenancy agreements and do not own the house which means, that social housing Is for everyone, not just their family.
What a contemptuous exclamation, could you please explain the reasoning behind such a put down.
Sigh
When allocated social housing, even 50 years ago, they would have signed a tenancy agreement. Many Councils In the country have sold their entire housing stock to other authorities and again, there may have been amendments of tenancy agreements other than the original;
EG Some In my village while Council, had a tenancy agreement that stated they could keep as many dogs as they liked providing they were not a nuisance. When Merlin bought out all the Council stock In South Glou, that was changed to only two dogs per household.
The point Is, they are tenants at the mercy of tenancy agreements, whether they signed them 50 years ago or today. Council or any other authority, are landlords. If a private landlord went to his tenant and gave 2 months notice because he needed the property, there Is nothing the tenant can do.
When Councils and authorities go to a tenant and say, we need your house because we have families living In one room, they are tenants, yet many refuse to budge because the legislation was not set In place that gave housing authorities the right to evict In those circumstances. They forget they are tenants and believe length of time In the house means they stay there forever while families pay extortionate private rents. That Is not right.
Don't try and twist my words. I merely pointed out that they signed tenancy agreements and do not own the house which means, that social housing Is for everyone, not just their family.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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FourPart;1463504 wrote: I beg your pardon ???? I most certainly did NOT !!! I am a staunch Labour supporter. The only time I've ever voted Tory (I'm ashamed to say) was when Maggie first got in after I'd been brainwashed by my family (my Father was so Right Wing he'd make Oscar look Left of Labour). After he tried to abuse me one time too many, I turned on him, knocked him through the back door & walked out. That's when I ended up on the streets & got to experience what the REAL world was like. Once experienced, never forgotten.
I understand the PRINCIPLE behind the Bedroom Tax, but if they were to reward those who were to downgrade those who moved into more appropriate accommodation, rather than penalising those that didn't I'm sure they'd get far more support & much less opposition.
OK my apologies I dinlt realise you has passed the intelligence test and so don't vote tory. You're still a outherner, you countrymen keep voting the bastards in.
I understand the PRINCIPLE behind the Bedroom Tax, but if they were to reward those who were to downgrade those who moved into more appropriate accommodation, rather than penalising those that didn't I'm sure they'd get far more support & much less opposition.
OK my apologies I dinlt realise you has passed the intelligence test and so don't vote tory. You're still a outherner, you countrymen keep voting the bastards in.
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gmc;1463531 wrote: OK my apologies I dinlt realise you has passed the intelligence test and so don't vote tory. You're still a outherner, you countrymen keep voting the bastards in.
Yeah they do.
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Yeah they do.
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FourPart;1463523 wrote: So, someone who might have been born in a Council house. They live there all their lives, looking after their parents in their twilight years. When their parents passed on, they took over the tenancy, raising their own families in the Family Home. The kids grow up & move into homes of their own. Then, this elderly couple (or perhaps widow(er)), who may have even been working all their adult lives, are now to be hammered because they don't want to move out of their Happy, Family Home into a poky concrete block.
That's what the Bedroom Tax is all about. It doesn't even allow for how long someone's been living there. It's just downright evil, brought about by a Right wing Government to get those who can least afford it to subsidise tax cuts for those that already have more money than they know what to do with.
From my time In housing, there was another Issue. You make It all sound highly romantic.
Many of the houses we tried reclaiming for young families were 3 and 4 bed houses with one single tenant. Most of those, had families who lived miles away and rarely visited.
There one particular lady In the next street to me In a four bed house. Huge lounge, dining room, 4 bedrooms, large kitchen,, garage that's never used, large garden and a shed and outhouse. Her family, two sons, live miles away and never visit except at Christmas. The garden Is so overgrown, the council have to go In and cut It back every year. The house Is In total disrepair and dirty. She has been offered a really nice two bed bungalow In the next street with a small paved garden. She refuses to budge.
Meanwhile, two miles up the road, we have a council owned half way house where children live In one room and share bathroom and kitchen.
Now you tell me... how Is that fair ?
That's what the Bedroom Tax is all about. It doesn't even allow for how long someone's been living there. It's just downright evil, brought about by a Right wing Government to get those who can least afford it to subsidise tax cuts for those that already have more money than they know what to do with.
From my time In housing, there was another Issue. You make It all sound highly romantic.
Many of the houses we tried reclaiming for young families were 3 and 4 bed houses with one single tenant. Most of those, had families who lived miles away and rarely visited.
There one particular lady In the next street to me In a four bed house. Huge lounge, dining room, 4 bedrooms, large kitchen,, garage that's never used, large garden and a shed and outhouse. Her family, two sons, live miles away and never visit except at Christmas. The garden Is so overgrown, the council have to go In and cut It back every year. The house Is In total disrepair and dirty. She has been offered a really nice two bed bungalow In the next street with a small paved garden. She refuses to budge.
Meanwhile, two miles up the road, we have a council owned half way house where children live In one room and share bathroom and kitchen.
Now you tell me... how Is that fair ?
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Oscar Namechange;1463530 wrote: Sigh
Don't try and twist my words. I merely pointed out that they signed tenancy agreements and do not own the house which means, that social housing Is for everyone, not just their family.
How could I possibly twist a few words expressed with such disdain.
The same rules goes for private home owners, we must all be good neighbours, or the local authority puts us straight, ie the amount of dogs or cats we keep, the state of our garden or the loudness of our music systems.
You start from the wrong place, first you (metaphorically speaking) sell off all the council housing.....then place inhumane conditions on the people least able to resist the weight of your stupidly short sighted sell off of a national asset, namely a large stock of public housing.
The publically owned and mantained houses were sold at knock down prices, then as the economic winds changed, they were reclaimed by the financial institutions after exhorbitant interest rates were loaded ontop of house prices for 3 piece suites, plastic windows, and extensions.
Then they were bought up by the likes of this KNOB (thats a link missus) Expected to make £100 million .......the nice guy and his adorable wife were giving their tenants on benefits notice, because they can, so they could offer the accomodation to immigrants from Eastern Europe.......and boasting about it.
All sounds fair in a free economy, where everybody has the same chance to manage their lives.......but like the NHS a pool of public housing is just that......public housing.....paid for and mantained by and for the public......not for the short term political ambition and enrichment of the few at the top of the financial heap.
I really needed that.......thank you.
Don't try and twist my words. I merely pointed out that they signed tenancy agreements and do not own the house which means, that social housing Is for everyone, not just their family.
How could I possibly twist a few words expressed with such disdain.
The same rules goes for private home owners, we must all be good neighbours, or the local authority puts us straight, ie the amount of dogs or cats we keep, the state of our garden or the loudness of our music systems.
You start from the wrong place, first you (metaphorically speaking) sell off all the council housing.....then place inhumane conditions on the people least able to resist the weight of your stupidly short sighted sell off of a national asset, namely a large stock of public housing.
The publically owned and mantained houses were sold at knock down prices, then as the economic winds changed, they were reclaimed by the financial institutions after exhorbitant interest rates were loaded ontop of house prices for 3 piece suites, plastic windows, and extensions.
Then they were bought up by the likes of this KNOB (thats a link missus) Expected to make £100 million .......the nice guy and his adorable wife were giving their tenants on benefits notice, because they can, so they could offer the accomodation to immigrants from Eastern Europe.......and boasting about it.
All sounds fair in a free economy, where everybody has the same chance to manage their lives.......but like the NHS a pool of public housing is just that......public housing.....paid for and mantained by and for the public......not for the short term political ambition and enrichment of the few at the top of the financial heap.
I really needed that.......thank you.
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gmc;1463531 wrote: OK my apologies I dinlt realise you has passed the intelligence test and so don't vote tory. You're still a outherner, you countrymen keep voting the bastards in.
I may be a (S)outherner (and proud of it), but I was mainly raised just outside of Liverpool.
Furthermore, I live in Southampton which, to the best of my recollection, has always been a Labour Safe Seat - Currently John Denham (although he'll be standing down at the next election to hand over the reins to a girl - a mere slip of a thing, but very attractive. Whether that will affect the vote remains to be seen).
I may be a (S)outherner (and proud of it), but I was mainly raised just outside of Liverpool.
Furthermore, I live in Southampton which, to the best of my recollection, has always been a Labour Safe Seat - Currently John Denham (although he'll be standing down at the next election to hand over the reins to a girl - a mere slip of a thing, but very attractive. Whether that will affect the vote remains to be seen).
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FourPart;1463542 wrote: - Currently John Denham (although he'll be standing down at the next election to hand over the reins to a girl - a mere slip of a thing, but very attractive. Whether that will affect the vote remains to be seen).
What a Misogynist, Sexist, patronisizing, condescending thing to say !!!
She may have a Masters In Politics... but, hey, let's see how pretty she Is because that will affect the vote...
Unbelievable :-5
What a Misogynist, Sexist, patronisizing, condescending thing to say !!!
She may have a Masters In Politics... but, hey, let's see how pretty she Is because that will affect the vote...
Unbelievable :-5
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Oscar Namechange;1463546 wrote: What a Misogynist, Sexist, patronisizing, condescending thing to say !!!
She may have a Masters In Politics... but, hey, let's see how pretty she Is because that will affect the vote...
Unbelievable :-5
Say what you like, but it's something that could well affect how people vote. Like it or not, people DO vote according to Gender, Looks, Colour or Religion, regardless of their Political Agenda.
There is nothing sexist about saying that she is a very pretty girl. That is stating an outright fact (at least according to my personal preferences - "Beauty in the eye of the beholder" & all that). The first time I voted (which, as I have previously stated was the one & only time I voted Tory) the victorious Labour candidate was a newcomer to the Political Scene by the name of Robert Kilroy Silk, who gained the vote of loads of women as they considered him to be really 'dishy' - many of which didn't even know what party he was. The whole thing was a Political Farce.
She may have a Masters In Politics... but, hey, let's see how pretty she Is because that will affect the vote...
Unbelievable :-5
Say what you like, but it's something that could well affect how people vote. Like it or not, people DO vote according to Gender, Looks, Colour or Religion, regardless of their Political Agenda.
There is nothing sexist about saying that she is a very pretty girl. That is stating an outright fact (at least according to my personal preferences - "Beauty in the eye of the beholder" & all that). The first time I voted (which, as I have previously stated was the one & only time I voted Tory) the victorious Labour candidate was a newcomer to the Political Scene by the name of Robert Kilroy Silk, who gained the vote of loads of women as they considered him to be really 'dishy' - many of which didn't even know what party he was. The whole thing was a Political Farce.
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FourPart;1463542 wrote: I may be a (S)outherner (and proud of it), but I was mainly raised just outside of Liverpool.
Furthermore, I live in Southampton which, to the best of my recollection, has always been a Labour Safe Seat - Currently John Denham (although he'll be standing down at the next election to hand over the reins to a girl - a mere slip of a thing, but very attractive. Whether that will affect the vote remains to be seen).
You'll have to forgive gmc's geographic myopia. He thinks we all live in leafy suburbia and wear cravates, what what!
Oi gmc! I pay my servants the going rate alright and my gardener will vote for who I tell him too or I'll water down his gruel.
I know a couple of old lads who worked at Betteshanger Colliery who might take issue with you on your stereotypical view of us Southerners.
Ye bampot !
Furthermore, I live in Southampton which, to the best of my recollection, has always been a Labour Safe Seat - Currently John Denham (although he'll be standing down at the next election to hand over the reins to a girl - a mere slip of a thing, but very attractive. Whether that will affect the vote remains to be seen).
You'll have to forgive gmc's geographic myopia. He thinks we all live in leafy suburbia and wear cravates, what what!
Oi gmc! I pay my servants the going rate alright and my gardener will vote for who I tell him too or I'll water down his gruel.
I know a couple of old lads who worked at Betteshanger Colliery who might take issue with you on your stereotypical view of us Southerners.
Ye bampot !
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
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Can I just make It clear that I am considerably Souther than yow.
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FourPart;1463542 wrote: I may be a (S)outherner (and proud of it), but I was mainly raised just outside of Liverpool.
Furthermore, I live in Southampton which, to the best of my recollection, has always been a Labour Safe Seat - Currently John Denham (although he'll be standing down at the next election to hand over the reins to a girl - a mere slip of a thing, but very attractive. Whether that will affect the vote remains to be seen).
Hate to tell you this but so far as I'm concerned liverpool is south as well and they talk funny:sneaky: Must get the map out is southampton south of london?
Furthermore, I live in Southampton which, to the best of my recollection, has always been a Labour Safe Seat - Currently John Denham (although he'll be standing down at the next election to hand over the reins to a girl - a mere slip of a thing, but very attractive. Whether that will affect the vote remains to be seen).
Hate to tell you this but so far as I'm concerned liverpool is south as well and they talk funny:sneaky: Must get the map out is southampton south of london?
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gmc;1463608 wrote: Hate to tell you this but so far as I'm concerned liverpool is south as well and they talk funny:sneaky: Must get the map out is southampton south of london?
Southampton Is about 3 Inches to the left of where I come from.
Still, at least us Southerners know when we're approaching Scotland. You see signs saying ' WARNING. LAST SALAD AVAILABLE AT CARLISLE SERVICES'
:sneaky::p:p:p
Southampton Is about 3 Inches to the left of where I come from.
Still, at least us Southerners know when we're approaching Scotland. You see signs saying ' WARNING. LAST SALAD AVAILABLE AT CARLISLE SERVICES'
:sneaky::p:p:p
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gmc;1463608 wrote: Hate to tell you this but so far as I'm concerned liverpool is south as well and they talk funny:sneaky: Must get the map out is southampton south of london?
Southampton is that little notch in the middle of the South Coast, immediately North of the Isle of Wight, that looks like it slots neatly into the mainland. Probably best known for its docks.
Southampton is that little notch in the middle of the South Coast, immediately North of the Isle of Wight, that looks like it slots neatly into the mainland. Probably best known for its docks.