Looting arson

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:15 am

There is absolutely no justification or excuse for looting and arson as a means of protest. Looters and Arsonists should be warned ahead of time by the media and public authorities and then shot on site as they perform these despicable acts. A civilized society has a right to preserve and protect it's property from those less civilized.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:47 pm

Why not spray them with dye or something that shows up under ultra violet, pick them up later ?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:53 pm

Bruv;1468378 wrote: Why not spray them with dye or something that shows up under ultra violet, pick them up later ? Pick them up later for what? You are overly tolerant Bruv. Whose to do the spraying? Better to just shoot the bastards and be done with it.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:53 pm

Lon;1468380 wrote: Pick them up later for what? You are overly tolerant Bruv. Whose to do the spraying? Better to just shoot the bastards and be done with it.

But Lon, do you value a large screen TV more than a young man's life ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:27 pm

Lon;1468380 wrote: Pick them up later for what? You are overly tolerant Bruv. Whose to do the spraying? Better to just shoot the bastards and be done with it.

I could have cried for this lady when I saw her on the news last night. She started with nothing, making cakes at home and selling them until finally she could have her own shop... then Jackson looters did this to her.

‘Won’t give up!’ Prayers, support pour in for Ferguson woman whose cake shop was vandalized; Update: Fundraising goal surpassed — by tens of thousands | Twitchy

There Is no explanation and no excuse for this. Black protesters rioting about no Indictment for Officer Wilson then target a black lady. It goes to show, there Is no selection, just an excuse for violence, theft and vandalism.

I'm with you Lon... Just shoot the bastards.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:54 pm

Put machine gun emplacements above all new shops with all round vision and shoot the bastards in the back as they exit......way to go.....yo.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:21 pm

Bruv;1468383 wrote: But Lon, do you value a large screen TV more than a young man's life ?

I value Civil Obedience more than the TV or any person's life lost in the commission of arson or looting.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:23 am

My very first reaction was shocked horror, then I Googled and found this video..............

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:03 am

I have been busy........here is another video.

Fredrick Wilson II is one smart young man! - YouTube

And a link to another if you are interested.....HERE

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:27 am

Lon;1468394 wrote: I value Civil Obedience more than the TV or any person's life lost in the commission of arson or looting.

So did the nazi's, so did the Chinese gov't at Tiananmen Square. How about charging the families of the shot looters the price of the bullets used to kill those who are not Obedient?

Your attitude sickens me lon, & no, I do not approve of looting or violence. Let the punishment fit the crime & the death penalty you suggest is not it. Nauseating.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:27 am

I agree with you, Lon. There is really no excuse for that kind of activity,nor is there justification for it.

But, sometimes, people have just had enough.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:04 am

LarsMac;1468408 wrote: I agree with you, Lon. There is really no excuse for that kind of activity,nor is there justification for it.

But, sometimes, people have just had enough.

Well I never........are you saying, that it would be the right thing to do,shooting looters dead ?

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:15 am

AnneBoleyn;1468407 wrote: So did the nazi's, so did the Chinese gov't at Tiananmen Square. How about charging the families of the shot looters the price of the bullets used to kill those who are not Obedient?

Your attitude sickens me lon, & no, I do not approve of looting or violence. Let the punishment fit the crime & the death penalty you suggest is not it. Nauseating.

Well Anne, what would be suitable punishment for looting and arson? It would appear to me that you are sympathetic to those that feel they are justified in commiting such acts. Am I wrong?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:22 am

The looters & arsonists are not protesting about any just cause. If they were the target would not be their own people, but the establishment itself. They are merely out for their own opportunistic greed to steal whatever they can while the going's good. This is the sort of time when Martial Law would not be unreasonable.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:22 am

Lon;1468412 wrote: Well Anne, what would be suitable punishment for looting and arson? It would appear to me that you are sympathetic to those that feel they are justified in commiting such acts. Am I wrong?

I think her post clearly states that she does not.

Is what we are calling for, armed soldiers/police officers arbitrarily gunning down potential looters ? Or maybe those just carrying a flatscreen TV or a couple of pairs of Nikes ? What ever happened to the beloved concept of being judged before your peers and receiving the relevant, appropriate sentence if found guilty ? Its the sort of thing we've come to expect from the "axis of evil" totalitarian regimes we hate so much. Remember shaking your fist at the TV when the tanks entered Tianamen square ? The evil,uncivilised bastards !

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:39 pm

Lon;1468412 wrote: Well Anne, what would be suitable punishment for looting and arson? It would appear to me that you are sympathetic to those that feel they are justified in commiting such acts. Am I wrong?

You are absolutely wrong. Death is not the penalty for property crimes. If that were so, there would be very few people left to work on Wall Street, Mortgage Bankers, etc. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the Death Penalty only applies to the proven Deaths of Humans. It does not apply to rapists, torturers, mutilators of persons, so why should it apply to thuggery? The suitable punishment is trial by jury, or judge if the defendant chooses & suitable prison terms and/or strict community service, house arrest, depending on the circumstances of the looter's situation. You are ignoring lawful capture & punishment. You are being Disobedient to the American Constitution. So, you are being a despot. A tyrannical one, especially in your use of the word 'obedience.'

As well, since admittedly many people who commit this crime are young and of color, I'm suggesting you are being anti-youth, & what's worse, a racist in calling for your solution.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:26 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468419 wrote: You are being Disobedient to the American Constitution. So, you are being a despot. A tyrannical one, especially in your use of the word 'obedience.'

So the looters & arsonists who attack their peers, whilst destroying & stealing their property in the name of a supposed injustice to a known armed robber who got shot whilst attacking a police officer are being obedient to the Constitution?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:06 pm

LarsMac;1468408 wrote: I agree with you, Lon. There is really no excuse for that kind of activity,nor is there justification for it.

But, sometimes, people have just had enough.

What does that mean?

It that an excuse or what?

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:11 pm

tude dog;1468425 wrote: What does that mean?

It that an excuse or what?

No, I don't make excuses.

But having a little empathy never hurt, either.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:12 pm

Bruv;1468411 wrote: Well I never........are you saying, that it would be the right thing to do,shooting looters dead ?

Nope, not saying that, at all.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:31 pm

Lon;1468412 wrote: Well Anne, what would be suitable punishment for looting and arson? It would appear to me that you are sympathetic to those that feel they are justified in committing such acts. Am I wrong?

I'll give an answer for Ann.

Looting and arson are not "civil disobedience", they are crimes with victims who suffer real consequence.

We have laws regarding arson and violence against persons and property.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:02 am

LarsMac;1468428 wrote: Nope, not saying that, at all.

You have just restored my faith in America...........USA there is still hope for you.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:11 am

tude dog;1468432 wrote: I'll give an answer for Ann.

Looting and arson are not "civil disobedience", they are crimes with victims who suffer real consequence.

We have laws regarding arson and violence against persons and property.

I like the bit about "We have laws"........do you also have laws about taking that law into your own hands ?

Is shooting fleeing suspect/alleged criminals in the back, or the front, legal in the land of the free ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:25 am

Bruv;1468451 wrote: Is shooting fleeing suspect/alleged criminals in the back, or the front, legal in the land of the free ?
Of course it is. That's why they have the right to arm bears.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:22 am

tude dog;1468432 wrote: I'll give an answer for Ann.

Looting and arson are not "civil disobedience", they are crimes with victims who suffer real consequence.

We have laws regarding arson and violence against persons and property.

I like your answer. Yes, I agree.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:24 am

FourPart;1468420 wrote: So the looters & arsonists who attack their peers, whilst destroying & stealing their property in the name of a supposed injustice to a known armed robber who got shot whilst attacking a police officer are being obedient to the Constitution?

Whilst. That's a funny word.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:49 am

Bruv;1468451 wrote: I like the bit about "We have laws"........do you also have laws about taking that law into your own hands ?

Is shooting fleeing suspect/alleged criminals in the back, or the front, legal in the land of the free ?

Some states say Yes, other states say No.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:50 am

Bruv;1468450 wrote: You have just restored my faith in America...........USA there is still hope for you.

Not so fast there buddy!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:41 am

AnneBoleyn;1468465 wrote: Some states say Yes, other states say No.

Our law says you can use force equivalent to the risk.

People have been jailed for shooting *cough* home invaders, we call them burglars (Because that is the right word)

AnneBoleyn;1468466 wrote: Not so fast there buddy!

I thought LarsMac had gone all gung ho shoot em up American on us all.......I couldn't handle that.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:43 am

AnneBoleyn;1468458 wrote: Whilst. That's a funny word.
Perfectly legitimate word.

Whilst | Define Whilst at Dictionary.com

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:07 pm

FourPart;1468468 wrote: Perfectly legitimate word.

Whilst | Define Whilst at Dictionary.com

That doesn't stop it from being a funny word!

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:04 pm

Bruv;1468451 wrote: I like the bit about "We have laws"........do you also have laws about taking that law into your own hands ?

Not sure what you mean by that.

Bruv;1468451 wrote: Is shooting fleeing suspect/alleged criminals in the back, or the front, legal in the land of the free ?

Is the "fleeing suspect" a danger to others?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:12 pm

FourPart;1468453 wrote: Of course it is. That's why they have the right to arm bears.

Really?

Where did you get that from? I needs to know.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:31 pm

Bruv;1468467 wrote: Our law says you can use force equivalent to the risk.

People have been jailed for shooting *cough* home invaders, we call them burglars (Because that is the right word)

What a magical world you live in.

That is to know the intent of somebody as he is busting your door open. Creeping in anytime and I am suppose to know what risk I am in?

You got it all backwards. It is your "burglar" who assumes the risk of being on the bloody end of a 12 gage.

Here is a hint.

Burglary is dangerous. Just don't do it.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:24 am

tude dog;1468497 wrote: What a magical world you live in.

That is to know the intent of somebody as he is busting your door open. Creeping in anytime and I am suppose to know what risk I am in?

You got it all backwards. It is your "burglar" who assumes the risk of being on the bloody end of a 12 gage.

Here is a hint.

Burglary is dangerous. Just don't do it.
You think that's crazy? Because of the import of stupid No Win No Fee American style litigation lawyers there have even been cases of burglars suing house owners for damages after injuring themselves by tripping on a stair carpet, claiming Health & Safety At Work, because of the house being their workplace.

In the words of Mr. Bumble, "The Law Is A Ass".

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:06 am

FourPart;1468498 wrote: You think that's crazy? Because of the import of stupid No Win No Fee American style litigation lawyers there have even been cases of burglars suing house owners for damages after injuring themselves by tripping on a stair carpet, claiming Health & Safety At Work, because of the house being their workplace.

In the words of Mr. Bumble, "The Law Is A Ass".

I need to see the floor trip evidence.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:12 am

tude dog;1468497 wrote: What a magical world you live in.

That is to know the intent of somebody as he is busting your door open. Creeping in anytime and I am suppose to know what risk I am in?

You got it all backwards. It is your "burglar" who assumes the risk of being on the bloody end of a 12 gage.

Here is a hint.

Burglary is dangerous. Just don't do it.

The reason we have such Laws is to protect estranged wives or husbands from getting shot while wandering the marital home late at night.......and the ex shooting them by 'mistake'

I could give other examples.

Remember our legal system goes back a little longer than when you lot were shooting up Redcoats and Native Americans just to survive.....

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:14 am

Shooting up Redcoats? You have that backwards, Bruv. Redcoats were the ones shooting the colonists who wanted the freedom of their own country.

PS.......Europeans did plenty of harm to native populations. It's getting sickening that Europe is taking responsibility for none of it's own ills they perpetrated for thousands of years.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:17 am

FourPart;1468498 wrote: You think that's crazy? Because of the import of stupid No Win No Fee American style litigation lawyers there have even been cases of burglars suing house owners for damages after injuring themselves by tripping on a stair carpet, claiming Health & Safety At Work, because of the house being their workplace.

In the words of Mr. Bumble, "The Law Is A Ass".

Can't you learn to blame yourselves for anything? We didn't import anything to you. You adopted it on your own. Be Responsible & live up to your mistakes, stop blaming us for everything wrong in this crazy world.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:39 am

AnneBoleyn;1468503 wrote: Shooting up Redcoats? You have that backwards, Bruv. Redcoats were the ones shooting the colonists who wanted the freedom of their own country.
I expect we both shooting at each other, believing we were in the right.................nothing changes.

PS.......Europeans did plenty of harm to native populations. It's getting sickening that Europe is taking responsibility for none of it's own ills they perpetrated for thousands of years.
We were pretty much still all Europeans back then, or very nearly, but you wanted out.........off on a tangent ever since.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:45 am

Bruv;1468507 wrote: I expect we both shooting at each other, believing we were in the right.................nothing changes.

We were pretty much still all Europeans back then, or very nearly, but you wanted out.........off on a tangent ever since.

That's right. You thought you could own us & we thought we could own black people.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:04 am

AnneBoleyn;1468407 wrote: So did the nazi's, so did the Chinese gov't at Tiananmen Square. How about charging the families of the shot looters the price of the bullets used to kill those who are not Obedient?

Your attitude sickens me lon, & no, I do not approve of looting or violence. Let the punishment fit the crime & the death penalty you suggest is not it. Nauseating.

Any punishment other than shooting and killing arsonists & looters while they commit the crime will not stop future outbreaks of arson and looting. Fear of being killed while committing a crime very likely would.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:10 am

AnneBoleyn;1468407 wrote: So did the nazi's, so did the Chinese gov't at Tiananmen Square. How about charging the families of the shot looters the price of the bullets used to kill those who are not Obedient?

Your attitude sickens me lon, & no, I do not approve of looting or violence. Let the punishment fit the crime & the death penalty you suggest is not it. Nauseating.

These acts continue because the looters and arsonists know they can get away with it, so much for punishment. Fear of being shot and killed while committing the act could very well stop future outbreaks.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:52 am

Lon;1468510 wrote: These acts continue because the looters and arsonists know they can get away with it, so much for punishment. Fear of being shot and killed while committing the act could very well stop future outbreaks.

The bankers who ripped us off on Wall Street in 2008, ruined economies of nations, ruined lives also know they can get away with it, so much for punishment. Maybe "Fear of being shot and killed while committing the act could very well stop future outbreaks" of Financial Corruption. But you'd rather shoot a bunch of hot-headed black teenagers who don't effect you at all, or the great majority of the population. What does this say about YOU, Lon? It says what I already did. Your priorities are all screwed up & you're more than willing to eat your young.

eta---those outbreaks of greed & corruption in business are still continuing.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:55 am

Lon;1468509 wrote: Any punishment other than shooting and killing arsonists & looters while they commit the crime will not stop future outbreaks of arson and looting. Fear of being killed while committing a crime very likely would.

Then why is there still crime? In case you haven't heard, murder is against the law, & in many states you will lawfully forfeit your own life for the five minutes of fun you've had killing someone. Statistics show fear of punishment does not lower crime rates. Again, you are wrong.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:15 am

Bruv;1468501 wrote: I need to see the floor trip evidence.
It's not even an isolated incident:

BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Should burglars have the right to sue?

To sue and protect: Policewoman sues crime victim for falling over

Shed owners warned wire on windows could hurt burglars - Telegraph

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:30 am

Sorry FourPart but you have been found guilty of reading headlines only.....

Barbed Wire

Burglars Human Rights

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:31 pm

Bruv;1468515 wrote: Sorry FourPart but you have been found guilty of reading headlines only.....

Barbed Wire

Burglars Human Rights
On the contrary. Your link also cites quite a few cases of this type. Just because a lawsuit is brought forward doesn't mean it's successful.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:30 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468512 wrote: Then why is there still crime? In case you haven't heard, murder is against the law, & in many states you will lawfully forfeit your own life for the five minutes of fun you've had killing someone. Statistics show fear of punishment does not lower crime rates. Again, you are wrong.

You are talking about crime in general which is different than the infectious mob arson and looting. I beg to disagree that shooting arsonists and looters would be ineffective. Murders are typically committed by individuals and there is no mob influence.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:00 pm

The definition of murder is with premeditation. I consider going out with baseball bats, petrol, bottles & rags for wicks to be pretty much premeditated. Yes, there are those that will get caught up in the heat of the moment, but it is always initiated with malice aforethought.