Here's an extract of the news item:McIntyre, who was SBS's football reporter and TV presenter, put out a series of tweets on Saturday. He wrote: "Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these 'brave' Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan.
"The cultification of an imperialist invasion of a foreign nation that Australia had no quarrel with is against all ideals of modern society."
Australian Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull described the posts as "despicable".
"Difficult to think of more offensive or inappropriate comments," he wrote.
McIntyre has so far made no public comments on his sacking.
SBS presenter sacked over 'disrespectful' Anzac tweets - BBC News
Firing the chap for making an unwelcome observation may have been predictable, but that doesn't make it right. Mr McIntyre should have been thanked for starting an overdue discussion, not fired.
I would note, before anyone uses the words conscript and responsibility, that every Australian who fought outside the Home territory of the South Pacific did so as a volunteer.
The kneejerk dismissal of Scott McIntyre
The kneejerk dismissal of Scott McIntyre
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The kneejerk dismissal of Scott McIntyre
There are several worthwhile articles. Here's one.The greatest insult you can offer the fallen is to lie about who they were and what they did – to whitewash their sins and burnish their glories. That robs them of the right to be seen as the people they were, and it co-opts their experience for the use of millions of us who were never there and can never know what it was like.
When it comes to disrespect, don’t worry about some guy on Twitter who could stand to spend more time in the library. Worry about the disrespect offered by so many of us who think we’re showing the opposite, the kind of which so much modern commemoration is guilty.
On Scott McIntyre: the greatest insult is to whitewash the fallen | Geoff Lemon | Comment is free | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/ap ... zac-tweets
When it comes to disrespect, don’t worry about some guy on Twitter who could stand to spend more time in the library. Worry about the disrespect offered by so many of us who think we’re showing the opposite, the kind of which so much modern commemoration is guilty.
On Scott McIntyre: the greatest insult is to whitewash the fallen | Geoff Lemon | Comment is free | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/ap ... zac-tweets
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The kneejerk dismissal of Scott McIntyre
If this was his personal twitter, I don't see a justification for his firing. If this is a twitter account of the stations, yep - he needed to follow guidelines.
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
The kneejerk dismissal of Scott McIntyre
flopstock;1478308 wrote: If this was his personal twitter, I don't see a justification for his firing. If this is a twitter account of the stations, yep - he needed to follow guidelines.
It's his personal account. His state-owned company says his terms of employment forbade him from posting on his personal account as he did.
This is John Pilger's take on events:In the Murdoch press - augmented as ever to promote war after war - Paul Kelly echoes Abbott that remembrance is not enough; that the Anzac death cult "is now the essence of being Australian"... indeed, "a quasi religious force".
Young Scott McIntyre drove the Twitter equivalent of a five-ton truck through such maudlin, cynical drivel. He tweeted the unsayable about imperial Australia, much of it the truth; and all decent journalists - or dare I say, his freedom-loving compatriots - should be standing up for him. That Malcolm Turnbull, a pretender for prime minister who made his name unctuously shouting about freedom of speech, should connive with McIntyre's employer, the state-funded TV network, SBS, (which has sacked him), is a measure of the state of public and media life in Australia.
The message of Anzac: Put out more flags, or shut up
It's his personal account. His state-owned company says his terms of employment forbade him from posting on his personal account as he did.
This is John Pilger's take on events:In the Murdoch press - augmented as ever to promote war after war - Paul Kelly echoes Abbott that remembrance is not enough; that the Anzac death cult "is now the essence of being Australian"... indeed, "a quasi religious force".
Young Scott McIntyre drove the Twitter equivalent of a five-ton truck through such maudlin, cynical drivel. He tweeted the unsayable about imperial Australia, much of it the truth; and all decent journalists - or dare I say, his freedom-loving compatriots - should be standing up for him. That Malcolm Turnbull, a pretender for prime minister who made his name unctuously shouting about freedom of speech, should connive with McIntyre's employer, the state-funded TV network, SBS, (which has sacked him), is a measure of the state of public and media life in Australia.
The message of Anzac: Put out more flags, or shut up
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The kneejerk dismissal of Scott McIntyre
There's significant encouragement for Scott McIntyre's position, even in Australia.
Here's an Irish perspective.McIntyre had trashed the foundation myth. More generally, he had drawn attention to the way soft-lit Remembrance is used slyly to promote wars of the present and future. On a visit to New Zealand on the eve of Anzac Day, Australian prime minister Tony Abbott referred to soldiers fighting in the Middle East today as “Sons of Anzac.
There are no exact parallels with Ireland’s experience, except in this: that the sentimentalisation of slaughter which McIntyre lost his job for exposing is evident, too, in the memorialising of the Irish misled into following England’s flag. Like the Kiwis and Aussies, they, too, were flung to their deaths like fistfuls of chaff.
Eamonn McCann: Rage not reverence should mark first World War commemorations
And an Australian academic:
Historically speaking then, McIntyre is not all that far off the mark, but he has been sacrificed on the altar of populist outrage. I try to teach my students to see the world differently, to think differently, to always question accepted opinion and then, when necessary, to speak out.
The decision made by the managing director of SBS is disappointing. Are journalists, academics and public figures only ever to tell people what they want to hear?
The response to McIntyre’s tweets is a demonstration that the popular perception of Anzac is completely out of step with the historical reality —but his remarks are also timely. We should not forget that war is never a one-sided affair in which our boys are squeaky-clean heroes and their boys murdering, raping villains.
War brings out the worst (as well as the best) in people. Some Anzacs were neither heroes nor particularly likeable characters — and some behaved little better than thugs and hooligans. I certainly would not have wanted to meet some of them in the back alleys of Cairo in 1915 after they had been on the piss all night.
But in the atmosphere of nationalistic chest-beating that surrounds the Anzac commemorations, there are not likely to be too many dissenting voices.
https://independentaustralia.net/articl ... story,7649
And more relevant commentary
“SBS supports our Anzacs — and apparently bars any questioning or criticism of them. That mentality sounds like it came right from North Korea, which is to be expected when a media outlet is prohibited from saying anything that offends high government officials. Any society in which it’s a firing offense for journalists to criticize the military is a sickly and undemocratic one.
The excuses offered by SBS for McIntyre’s firing are so insulting as to be laughable. Minister Turnball denies that he made the decision even as he admits that, beyond his public denunciation, he “drew [McIntyre’s comments] to the attention of SBS’s managing director Michael Ebeid. The Minister also issued a statement endorsing McIntyre’s firing, saying that “in his capacity as a reporter employed by SBS he has to comply with and face the consequences of ignoring the SBS social media protocol. For its part, SBS laughably claims McIntyre wasn’t fired for his views, but, rather, because his “actions have breached the SBS Code of Conduct and social media policy — as though he would have been fired if he had expressed reverence for, rather than criticism of, Anzac.
Notably, McIntyre’s firing had nothing to do with any claimed factual inaccuracies of anything he said. As The Washington Post’s Adam Taylor noted, historians and even a former prime minister have long questioned the appropriateness of this holiday given the realities of Anzac’s conduct and the war itself. As Australian history professor Philip Dwyer documented, McIntyre’s factual assertions are simply true. Whatever else one might say, the issues raised by McIntyre are the subject of entirely legitimate political debate, and they should be. Making it a firing offense for a journalist to weigh in on one side of that debate but not the other is tyrannical.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... -religion/
Here's an Irish perspective.McIntyre had trashed the foundation myth. More generally, he had drawn attention to the way soft-lit Remembrance is used slyly to promote wars of the present and future. On a visit to New Zealand on the eve of Anzac Day, Australian prime minister Tony Abbott referred to soldiers fighting in the Middle East today as “Sons of Anzac.
There are no exact parallels with Ireland’s experience, except in this: that the sentimentalisation of slaughter which McIntyre lost his job for exposing is evident, too, in the memorialising of the Irish misled into following England’s flag. Like the Kiwis and Aussies, they, too, were flung to their deaths like fistfuls of chaff.
Eamonn McCann: Rage not reverence should mark first World War commemorations
And an Australian academic:
Historically speaking then, McIntyre is not all that far off the mark, but he has been sacrificed on the altar of populist outrage. I try to teach my students to see the world differently, to think differently, to always question accepted opinion and then, when necessary, to speak out.
The decision made by the managing director of SBS is disappointing. Are journalists, academics and public figures only ever to tell people what they want to hear?
The response to McIntyre’s tweets is a demonstration that the popular perception of Anzac is completely out of step with the historical reality —but his remarks are also timely. We should not forget that war is never a one-sided affair in which our boys are squeaky-clean heroes and their boys murdering, raping villains.
War brings out the worst (as well as the best) in people. Some Anzacs were neither heroes nor particularly likeable characters — and some behaved little better than thugs and hooligans. I certainly would not have wanted to meet some of them in the back alleys of Cairo in 1915 after they had been on the piss all night.
But in the atmosphere of nationalistic chest-beating that surrounds the Anzac commemorations, there are not likely to be too many dissenting voices.
https://independentaustralia.net/articl ... story,7649
And more relevant commentary
“SBS supports our Anzacs — and apparently bars any questioning or criticism of them. That mentality sounds like it came right from North Korea, which is to be expected when a media outlet is prohibited from saying anything that offends high government officials. Any society in which it’s a firing offense for journalists to criticize the military is a sickly and undemocratic one.
The excuses offered by SBS for McIntyre’s firing are so insulting as to be laughable. Minister Turnball denies that he made the decision even as he admits that, beyond his public denunciation, he “drew [McIntyre’s comments] to the attention of SBS’s managing director Michael Ebeid. The Minister also issued a statement endorsing McIntyre’s firing, saying that “in his capacity as a reporter employed by SBS he has to comply with and face the consequences of ignoring the SBS social media protocol. For its part, SBS laughably claims McIntyre wasn’t fired for his views, but, rather, because his “actions have breached the SBS Code of Conduct and social media policy — as though he would have been fired if he had expressed reverence for, rather than criticism of, Anzac.
Notably, McIntyre’s firing had nothing to do with any claimed factual inaccuracies of anything he said. As The Washington Post’s Adam Taylor noted, historians and even a former prime minister have long questioned the appropriateness of this holiday given the realities of Anzac’s conduct and the war itself. As Australian history professor Philip Dwyer documented, McIntyre’s factual assertions are simply true. Whatever else one might say, the issues raised by McIntyre are the subject of entirely legitimate political debate, and they should be. Making it a firing offense for a journalist to weigh in on one side of that debate but not the other is tyrannical.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... -religion/
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
The kneejerk dismissal of Scott McIntyre
I won't quote the entire article in today's SMH but it's a good summary of what actually happened (as opposed to the screaming reports on the day), and a well-considered update on what people have thought since.
Sacking of soccer journalist Scott McIntyre is contestable, whatever justification SBS used
Sacking of soccer journalist Scott McIntyre is contestable, whatever justification SBS used
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.