As I have recently started to come across more & more of my relatives on FaceBook (our family seem to be like rabbits), I'm at a loss to work out who the hell they all are in relationship to me.
For instance. I know that the siblings of my parents & their spouses are my Uncles & Aunts & that their offspring are my Cousins. But what about their spouses & their offspring, etc.
Then there's common Grandparents. The siblings of my Grandparents would be my Great Uncles & Aunts & their offspring would be my 2nd Cousins, but where do all the "Removeds" come into the picture?
Does anyone know of a reference chart or something somewhere online that can work such things out? I've looked, but don't even know what sort of keywords to use.
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FourPart;1482113 wrote: As I have recently started to come across more & more of my relatives on FaceBook (our family seem to be like rabbits), I'm at a loss to work out who the hell they all are in relationship to me.
For instance. I know that the siblings of my parents & their spouses are my Uncles & Aunts & that their offspring are my Cousins. But what about their spouses & their offspring, etc.
Then there's common Grandparents. The siblings of my Grandparents would be my Great Uncles & Aunts & their offspring would be my 2nd Cousins, but where do all the "Removeds" come into the picture?
Does anyone know of a reference chart or something somewhere online that can work such things out? I've looked, but don't even know what sort of keywords to use.
Spot sounds like the man to ask here, FourPart. Your "go-to" man for things technicackle!
For instance. I know that the siblings of my parents & their spouses are my Uncles & Aunts & that their offspring are my Cousins. But what about their spouses & their offspring, etc.
Then there's common Grandparents. The siblings of my Grandparents would be my Great Uncles & Aunts & their offspring would be my 2nd Cousins, but where do all the "Removeds" come into the picture?
Does anyone know of a reference chart or something somewhere online that can work such things out? I've looked, but don't even know what sort of keywords to use.
Spot sounds like the man to ask here, FourPart. Your "go-to" man for things technicackle!
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Printing http://family-tree.co.uk/wp-content/upl ... artnew.jpg would work, and then puzzling over it whenever you need refreshing.
Don't let them come and visit, they'll move in and expect feeding.
Don't let them come and visit, they'll move in and expect feeding.
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I have several Face Book relatives that given half a chance I would disown
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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I started with Burkes Peerage to see who my Facebook family were.
Lords and Ladies the lot of us. Don't you know !
Lords and Ladies the lot of us. Don't you know !
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I often wondered as to the origins of the word Burke. The one I heard was a lot ruder though I suspect it was made up in a sudden flash of inspired genius.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1482173 wrote: I often wondered as to the origins of the word Burke. The one I heard was a lot ruder though I suspect it was made up in a sudden flash of inspired genius.
Being called a berk is a lot more offensive than one might imagine but has now fallen into common parlance and is far removed from the " Berkeley Hunt "
Being called a berk is a lot more offensive than one might imagine but has now fallen into common parlance and is far removed from the " Berkeley Hunt "
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And then you get the Scottish usage. It's a flexible word.
It extends from literal burking to a metaphorical silent strangling when a report's suppressed. The Chilcot Inquiry gives all the appearance of having been burked.
But we digress. The odds of finding someone in Burkes Peerage from whom one might, on paper, descend, increase considerably as one goes further back in time. Whether the paper trail fails before reaching the aristocracy is the test. Of course, if you call daddy My Lord then genealogy is a bit irrelevant, the family will be on the wall of the Library.
It extends from literal burking to a metaphorical silent strangling when a report's suppressed. The Chilcot Inquiry gives all the appearance of having been burked.
But we digress. The odds of finding someone in Burkes Peerage from whom one might, on paper, descend, increase considerably as one goes further back in time. Whether the paper trail fails before reaching the aristocracy is the test. Of course, if you call daddy My Lord then genealogy is a bit irrelevant, the family will be on the wall of the Library.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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We working class folk are, I think, less likely than the aristocracy to discover the same individual cropping up several times back along the family tree, but I've seen it happen. Cousins marry, second cousins marry, and suddenly it's not a tree so much as a briar patch.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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My son has managed to trace one side of our tree to 1647. There is no landed gentry and no portraits to admire ascending the grand staircase bar a few grainy photos.
There are a lot of calloused hands and Hoover bag lungs.
We did discover a photograph of great great aunt Fanny. Not a lot of joy on her face but that might have been the girdle
There are a lot of calloused hands and Hoover bag lungs.
We did discover a photograph of great great aunt Fanny. Not a lot of joy on her face but that might have been the girdle
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
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When I were a lad we pinned dishclouts round us backs, tied wi' string, and held us breaths while camera chap flashed at us.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Bruv;1482188 wrote: She could afford a girdle?
Those were the days when one wasn't decent in public unless the pain of a girdle was written plain across the face and your internal organs had been rearranged and migrated to the upper chest. An essential element of victorian female misery
Those were the days when one wasn't decent in public unless the pain of a girdle was written plain across the face and your internal organs had been rearranged and migrated to the upper chest. An essential element of victorian female misery
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It's not a matter of tracing my ancestry. We already have a good record of that, including such names as James Brine (first Trade Unionist - deported, later pardoned & endowed with a peerage), and Benjamin Britten, to name but 2. I just want to find out what relation I am to the others of the clan. For instance - what relationship are the offspring of my cousins to me?
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FourPart;1482207 wrote: what relationship are the offspring of my cousins to me?
Your cousins Tansy and Willow are grandchildren to someone you are also a grandchild to. Tansy's children are your cousins once removed. She calls one of them Genghis.
If you were to have a child, whom you may call Letitia, then Letitia and Genghis are second cousins, sharing at their closest a great-grandparent.
Should Genghis himself produce a child, Bertram, then Bertram will be Letitia's second cousin once removed. Bertram will be your first cousin twice removed.
The "remove" is how many generations apart the two people are. The cousinship (first, second, third etc) is how far sideways the families are once you take out the removes.
I shall now complicate matters, sit tight...
This cousin relationship applies equally to both the people being linked. If they're removed then one will be fewer generations from the common ancestor and one will be more generations from the common ancestor. The one with fewer links back can also be called "uncle or aunt" of the one with more links, and the one with more links can also be called "nephew/niece". If you do it that way then you just cut the number of removes by one, because the words imply one remove already.
The only time you actually have to use the words uncle, aunt, nephew and niece is when that's what they really are, because then the two people don't share a common ancestor that's at least as far back as a grandfather - for the uncle or aunt, the common ancestor is a parent - so the word "cousin" is inapplicable.
Your cousins Tansy and Willow are grandchildren to someone you are also a grandchild to. Tansy's children are your cousins once removed. She calls one of them Genghis.
If you were to have a child, whom you may call Letitia, then Letitia and Genghis are second cousins, sharing at their closest a great-grandparent.
Should Genghis himself produce a child, Bertram, then Bertram will be Letitia's second cousin once removed. Bertram will be your first cousin twice removed.
The "remove" is how many generations apart the two people are. The cousinship (first, second, third etc) is how far sideways the families are once you take out the removes.
I shall now complicate matters, sit tight...
This cousin relationship applies equally to both the people being linked. If they're removed then one will be fewer generations from the common ancestor and one will be more generations from the common ancestor. The one with fewer links back can also be called "uncle or aunt" of the one with more links, and the one with more links can also be called "nephew/niece". If you do it that way then you just cut the number of removes by one, because the words imply one remove already.
The only time you actually have to use the words uncle, aunt, nephew and niece is when that's what they really are, because then the two people don't share a common ancestor that's at least as far back as a grandfather - for the uncle or aunt, the common ancestor is a parent - so the word "cousin" is inapplicable.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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I have a 2nd Cousin, who is the daughter of my Great Uncle (the Brother of my Grandmother) & Aunt. That is a totally different relationship to the offspring of my Cousins (offspring of my Father's Brothers) though.
In theory, things would get even more complex once you get distant relatives inter-marrying.
In theory, things would get even more complex once you get distant relatives inter-marrying.
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spot;1482218 wrote: I shall now complicate matters.........
Well.......thats not like you.
My wife calls all her cousins, second cousins, in fact anybody remotely related by blood, to be her brother or sister
Well.......thats not like you.
My wife calls all her cousins, second cousins, in fact anybody remotely related by blood, to be her brother or sister
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1482221 wrote: My wife calls all her cousins, second cousins, in fact anybody remotely related by blood, to be her brother or sister
How very like the old ways of the Mississippi Delta.
How very like the old ways of the Mississippi Delta.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.