Five police forces are investigating claims of historical child sexual abuse involving former PM Sir Edward Heath.
The Met, Wiltshire, Kent, Jersey and Hampshire forces are conducting separate inquiries into the late MP
My first thoughts on this revelation,is how can this investigation of a former PM be in isolation ?
There are very public rumours of establishment figures involvement in sex stories way back then, so why years after his death are they picking on him alone. There must be others who are alive to investigate.
Are they protected by their celebrity ?
Edward Heath
Edward Heath
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Edward Heath
There were actually allegations and murmerings about something being wrong around at the time - the seventies - but people just did not talk about such things. Even now in cases like that in rotherham the children making the allegetaions are not taken seriously because they are seen as being untrustworthy. Attitudes have changed a lot - the sex discrimination act was passd in 1975
Heath was such a public figure for him to be able to do such things there must have been collusion from those around him. But then you could have said the same about jimmy saville could you not? It's not celebrity that protects people it's power
Heath was such a public figure for him to be able to do such things there must have been collusion from those around him. But then you could have said the same about jimmy saville could you not? It's not celebrity that protects people it's power
Edward Heath
gmc;1483829 wrote: Heath was such a public figure for him to be able to do such things there must have been collusion from those around him. But then you could have said the same about jimmy saville could you not? It's not celebrity that protects people it's power
Celebrity and power are sometimes interchangeable.
Saville's case still smells strange to me, lots of people who failed or chose not to notice, or who's voices were ignored.
Celebrity and power are sometimes interchangeable.
Saville's case still smells strange to me, lots of people who failed or chose not to notice, or who's voices were ignored.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Edward Heath
Depends on the type of celebrity I suppose, also I think it was the culture of the times as well. It's still the case that some people are seen as being of little worth and their reports of abuse as either malicious or them getting what they deserve.
Edward Heath
I don't see that Savile & Heath come under the same bracket, quite frankly. It turned out that Savile's goings on were common knowledge, but people kept quiet about it for reasons of fear of their jobs and / or it was a different world then, where such things were almost 'expected' of celebrities. Heath, on the other hand, though, is a different matter. If the slightest hint of a word had got out, the opposition would have been on it like a ton of bricks. It's claimed that the Met knew about it & covered it up? Do you really think that no-one there would have secretly tipped someone off? There have even been opposition MPs who knew him at the time that don't believe the allegations to be true.
Quite frankly, I get the feeling that the whole Operation Yewtree thing has turned into a witch hunt for the slightest hint of dirt, be it unfounded or not, by encouraging people to come forward with allegations, knowing that even if they are proved to be false, simply for the sake of it. At least they'll still be able to sell their stories to the tabloids, who will come up with a guilty verdict in a Trial by Media, with no evidence whatsoever. Why should the facts interfere with a good story?
Quite frankly, I get the feeling that the whole Operation Yewtree thing has turned into a witch hunt for the slightest hint of dirt, be it unfounded or not, by encouraging people to come forward with allegations, knowing that even if they are proved to be false, simply for the sake of it. At least they'll still be able to sell their stories to the tabloids, who will come up with a guilty verdict in a Trial by Media, with no evidence whatsoever. Why should the facts interfere with a good story?
Edward Heath
FourPart;1483910 wrote: I don't see that Savile & Heath come under the same bracket, quite frankly. It turned out that Saville's goings on were common knowledge, but people kept quiet about it for reasons of fear of their jobs and / or it was a different world then, where such things were almost 'expected' of celebrities. Heath, on the other hand, though, is a different matter. If the slightest hint of a word had got out, the opposition would have been on it like a ton of bricks. It's claimed that the Met knew about it & covered it up? Do you really think that no-one there would have secretly tipped someone off? There have even been opposition MPs who knew him at the time that don't believe the allegations to be true.
Quite frankly, I get the feeling that the whole Operation Yewtree thing has turned into a witch hunt for the slightest hint of dirt, be it unfounded or not, by encouraging people to come forward with allegations, knowing that even if they are proved to be false, simply for the sake of it. At least they'll still be able to sell their stories to the tabloids, who will come up with a guilty verdict in a Trial by Media, with no evidence whatsoever. Why should the facts interfere with a good story?
Why not under the same bracket ? Both high profile single males in powerful positions.
You might have said.......
It turned out that Heath's goings on were common knowledge, but people kept quiet about it for reasons of fear of their jobs and / or it was a different world then.
What the down market media say or do is irrelevant in the long run, don't suppose the Police or CPS will take them into account.
Quite frankly, I get the feeling that the whole Operation Yewtree thing has turned into a witch hunt for the slightest hint of dirt, be it unfounded or not, by encouraging people to come forward with allegations, knowing that even if they are proved to be false, simply for the sake of it. At least they'll still be able to sell their stories to the tabloids, who will come up with a guilty verdict in a Trial by Media, with no evidence whatsoever. Why should the facts interfere with a good story?
Why not under the same bracket ? Both high profile single males in powerful positions.
You might have said.......
It turned out that Heath's goings on were common knowledge, but people kept quiet about it for reasons of fear of their jobs and / or it was a different world then.
What the down market media say or do is irrelevant in the long run, don't suppose the Police or CPS will take them into account.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Edward Heath
Bruv;1483925 wrote: Why not under the same bracket ? Both high profile single males in powerful positions.
You might have said.......
It turned out that Heath's goings on were common knowledge, but people kept quiet about it for reasons of fear of their jobs and / or it was a different world then.
What the down market media say or do is irrelevant in the long run, don't suppose the Police or CPS will take them into account.
The point about the other parties having a field day if any hint of it reached them (as it was bound to do if *anybody* knew, or even suspected, it was going on) was, however, well made and accurate.
You might have said.......
It turned out that Heath's goings on were common knowledge, but people kept quiet about it for reasons of fear of their jobs and / or it was a different world then.
What the down market media say or do is irrelevant in the long run, don't suppose the Police or CPS will take them into account.
The point about the other parties having a field day if any hint of it reached them (as it was bound to do if *anybody* knew, or even suspected, it was going on) was, however, well made and accurate.
Edward Heath
Bryn Mawr;1483956 wrote: The point about the other parties having a field day if any hint of it reached them (as it was bound to do if *anybody* knew, or even suspected, it was going on) was, however, well made and accurate.
If the rumours are true, there is an inner clique of the so called establishment running through government, police,law, and all the political parties that protects itself, so any muck slinging is frowned upon as it might all rebound on those that start it.
Same sort of idea as the MAD nuclear threat, everybody is armed and dangerous.
If the rumours are true, there is an inner clique of the so called establishment running through government, police,law, and all the political parties that protects itself, so any muck slinging is frowned upon as it might all rebound on those that start it.
Same sort of idea as the MAD nuclear threat, everybody is armed and dangerous.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Edward Heath
Bruv;1483971 wrote: If the rumours are true, there is an inner clique of the so called establishment running through government, police,law, and all the political parties that protects itself, so any muck slinging is frowned upon as it might all rebound on those that start it.
Same sort of idea as the MAD nuclear threat, everybody is armed and dangerous.
Only MAD to those who are in on it - at worst a couple of dozen out of the six hundred plus. I cannot imagine any of the other MPs keeping quiet, nor can I imagine that *all* of the media would meekly toe the line.
We're talking a very small percentage of rotten apples - not enough to exert the total control needed to keep something like this quiet for so long I would suggest.
Same sort of idea as the MAD nuclear threat, everybody is armed and dangerous.
Only MAD to those who are in on it - at worst a couple of dozen out of the six hundred plus. I cannot imagine any of the other MPs keeping quiet, nor can I imagine that *all* of the media would meekly toe the line.
We're talking a very small percentage of rotten apples - not enough to exert the total control needed to keep something like this quiet for so long I would suggest.
Edward Heath
Bryn Mawr;1483982 wrote: Only MAD to those who are in on it - at worst a couple of dozen out of the six hundred plus. I cannot imagine any of the other MPs keeping quiet, nor can I imagine that *all* of the media would meekly toe the line.
We're talking a very small percentage of rotten apples - not enough to exert the total control needed to keep something like this quiet for so long I would suggest.
As many as a couple of dozen ? And that is just inside Parliament ? Very frightening.
I don't know if it's a British thing, not wanting to pry, embarrassment at private sexual matters.
Saville's is not the first or only case where questions had been raised, where it was widely rumoured in some circles.
A Worrying article
We're talking a very small percentage of rotten apples - not enough to exert the total control needed to keep something like this quiet for so long I would suggest.
As many as a couple of dozen ? And that is just inside Parliament ? Very frightening.
I don't know if it's a British thing, not wanting to pry, embarrassment at private sexual matters.
Saville's is not the first or only case where questions had been raised, where it was widely rumoured in some circles.
A Worrying article
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Edward Heath
Bruv;1483986 wrote: As many as a couple of dozen ? And that is just inside Parliament ? Very frightening.
I don't know if it's a British thing, not wanting to pry, embarrassment at private sexual matters.
Saville's is not the first or only case where questions had been raised, where it was widely rumoured in some circles.
A Worrying article
A very telling statement from your linked article
Keeping the secret had more political value than reporting it, Fortescue said: “If we could get a chap out of trouble, he’d do as we asked forevermore.
That says so much
I don't know if it's a British thing, not wanting to pry, embarrassment at private sexual matters.
Saville's is not the first or only case where questions had been raised, where it was widely rumoured in some circles.
A Worrying article
A very telling statement from your linked article
Keeping the secret had more political value than reporting it, Fortescue said: “If we could get a chap out of trouble, he’d do as we asked forevermore.
That says so much
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