comets galore tonight

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:01 am

Yep. Haleys' comet is still chucking out crap .....just for our pleasure tonight. Around 20 shooting stars an hour. (To my north to north east skies) around midnight throughout the night to nearly dawn..... the lounge chairs and blankets and insect repellent are all layed out in the paddock.

Fingers crossed for clear skies. Actually , not sure if there's a moon tonight.

And its a world wide thing! Ill wait for you guys to report on your display. Its going to be a goody.

Oh and just a heads up! ...there's a chinese space lab out of control and its about to re enter earths atmosphere between now and next April.....thats exciting!.....except for the person it falls on i suppose.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:31 am

We were overcast all night, and missed all the light shows. Shame. We might go up into the mountains this weekend. There are some passes up there where the night skies are glorious.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:36 pm

Im such a disgrace! We had a small window of clear sky and quite a bit of activity.....then promptly fell asleep...(a nip of port will do that)... woke up hours later freezing half to death.lol

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:17 pm

I'll take my recliner out in a couple of hours, it's only quarter past nine so far. I shall report back.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:23 pm

We may have some clear skies tonight, but I am stuck in the City tonight.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:41 pm

I'll try again tonight. Last night we had much needed rain that should help a bit with the fires.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:43 pm

LarsMac;1513498 wrote: We may have some clear skies tonight, but I am stuck in the City tonight.

Bugger! Thats a shame. Im lucky that way, no city lights. Spots quite jealous of my two nebulisus brilliantly exposed at night.

And im trying to remember the old farmer rhyme for when the milky way swings round.....something to do with drought or something.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:53 pm

Wandrin;1513501 wrote: I'll try again tonight. Last night we had much needed rain that should help a bit with the fires.

I was told once that smoke particles in the atmosphere makes any celestial activity look quite pretty. Ya never know.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:52 pm

magentaflame;1513506 wrote: I was told once that smoke particles in the atmosphere makes any celestial activity look quite pretty. Ya never know.

While the smoke has interfered with celestial viewing it has made for some incredible sunsets.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:03 pm

Isnt it interesting that during the hurricane situation the colour of London looked exactly like the colour of a nearby bushfire?

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Nature in all its conditions is quite beautiful really.

Well i think so at least.

Post by **spot** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:47 am

The wind's pummeling away outside at the moment clearing what has been a fully overcast sky, but there's still no breaks visible.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:51 am

magentaflame;1513452 wrote: Yep. Haleys' comet is still chucking out crap .....just for our pleasure tonight. Around 20 shooting stars an hour. (To my north to north east skies) around midnight throughout the night to nearly dawn..... the lounge chairs and blankets and insect repellent are all layed out in the paddock.

Fingers crossed for clear skies. Actually , not sure if there's a moon tonight.

And its a world wide thing! Ill wait for you guys to report on your display. Its going to be a goody.

Oh and just a heads up! ...there's a chinese space lab out of control and its about to re enter earths atmosphere between now and next April.....thats exciting!.....except for the person it falls on i suppose.

Not sure if that can be seen from where I live.

Post by **spot** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:17 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513566 wrote: Not sure if that can be seen from where I live.

Heaven has no stars?

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:24 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513566 wrote: Not sure if that can be seen from where I live.

Where abouts in the world are you...... whats inhibiting your view of the sky?

Post by **spot** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:25 pm

magentaflame;1513577 wrote: Where abouts in the world are you...... whats inhibiting your view of the sky?

Some bible literalists insist the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't rotate, in which case there might be places from which the meteor shower could be hidden. If the Earth rotates there aren't. Maybe Frodo is extreme. Far Rider certainly insisted the Earth was created five thousand years ago so that's not impossible. Anyone who thinks God exists is by definition self-deluding.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:01 pm

spot;1513583 wrote: Some bible literalists insist the Earth is fixed in space and doesn't rotate, in which case there might be places from which the meteor shower could be hidden. If the Earth rotates there aren't. Maybe Frodo is extreme. Far Rider certainly insisted the Earth was created five thousand years ago so that's not impossible. Anyone who thinks God exists is by definition self-deluding.

I am not a flat earther. But I do believe that the earth is 6,000 years old and that the evidence shows it.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:51 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513621 wrote: I do believe that the earth is 6,000 years old and that the evidence shows it.

I'm so pleased. If it were my decision, I'd have you cured in a psychiatric unit.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:37 pm

There,s still a few nights left in October for some more sky action. Look toward Orions belt around midnight.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:19 pm

Didn't see much of the Orion stuff, but last night there was one came in low over the mountains, and disintegrated in a flash of green.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:19 pm

Thatd be it. I think theyre called the orinoids?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:52 am

spot;1513744 wrote: I'm so pleased. If it were my decision, I'd have you cured in a psychiatric unit.

if you would actually take the time to look at the evidence instead of just closing your mind you would be convinced. But it looks to me

Post by **spot** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:28 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513769 wrote: if you would actually take the time to look at the evidence instead of just closing your mind you would be convinced. But it looks to me

The "evidence"? A book compiled by scribes around 500BC, and that's "evidence" which trumps all subsequent scientific enquiry? What you're discussing is belief, not evidence. Belief is a disease of the mind.

I'm quite sure I could be convinced by belief - so could anyone - but it would be a result of mental illness if I were, it would not be a reflection of reality.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:01 am

spot;1513773 wrote: The "evidence"? A book compiled by scribes around 500BC, and that's "evidence" which trumps all subsequent scientific enquiry? What you're discussing is belief, not evidence. Belief is a disease of the mind.

I'm quite sure I could be convinced by belief - so could anyone - but it would be a result of mental illness if I were, it would not be a reflection of reality.

I have given you 90% non Biblical evidence to back up my claims, although the Bible IS the word of God. You obviously haven't looked at it. My belief is supported by the evidence. Mental illness? I think it's a mental illness to believe that everything that exists could have popped into existence out of nothing on it's own with no cause.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:59 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513818 wrote: I have given you 90% non Biblical evidence to back up my claims, although the Bible IS the word of God. You obviously haven't looked at it. My belief is supported by the evidence. Mental illness? I think it's a mental illness to believe that everything that exists could have popped into existence out of nothing on it's own with no cause.

But thats exactly what you're saying.

Hayleys comet is older than your "evidence" of god.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:04 pm

The stars themselves are billions of Light Years away. That means that we are seeing now what happened billions of years ago. According to the Bible the Heavens & the Earth were all created at the same time, which would have meant that no stars could have been seen because the light from them would not have yet reached the earth. If the Heavens & the Earth were created only 6,000 years ago, we should not yet be able to see any of those stars. But, of course, the Bible says otherwise, thus proving all the evidence provided by NASA to be totally inconsequential.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:42 pm

magentaflame;1513834 wrote: But thats exactly what you're saying.

Hayleys comet is older than your "evidence" of god.

Um, no...actually comets only last only 5-10,000 years. So, if everything is billions of years old, all of the comets should have burned out long ago.

Post by **spot** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:46 am

xfrodobagginsx;1513881 wrote: Um, no...actually comets only last only 5-10,000 years. So, if everything is billions of years old, all of the comets should have burned out long ago.

Comets may last only 5-10,000 years, that's not an unreasonable statement. What you're missing is that a comet has a prior life as an asteroid in a roughly circular orbit way out beyond the planets and only become a comet when its orbit becomes deflected by, for example, a collision. That's the event which starts its clock clicking down toward evaporation and extinction. Comets have been stable quiet asteroids for the last 4.5 billion years, ever since the sun ignited out of a coalesced dust cloud, until a chance event deflects their orbit in toward the sun.

I'm puzzled by your belief system - do you accept the description of the local galaxy, the Milky Way, for instance, in terms of the estimates of the number and size of its stars and the galaxy's dimensions? Or is that just scientific falsity.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:06 am

spot;1513886 wrote: Comets may last only 5-10,000 years, that's not an unreasonable statement. What you're missing is that a comet has a prior life as an asteroid in a roughly circular orbit way out beyond the planets and only become a comet when its orbit becomes deflected by, for example, a collision. That's the event which starts its clock clicking down toward evaporation and extinction. Comets have been stable quiet asteroids for the last 4.5 billion years, ever since the sun ignited out of a coalesced dust cloud, until a chance event deflects their orbit in toward the sun.

I'm puzzled by your belief system - do you accept the description of the local galaxy, the Milky Way, for instance, in terms of the estimates of the number and size of its stars and the galaxy's dimensions? Or is that just scientific falsity.

Astroids are not comets. According to evolutionary scientists they were all formed 4.5 billion years ago. According to creation scientists they were formed 6,000 years ago. Here is an evolutionary perspective on comets. They aren't the same as astroids and were formed at the same time. I agree with that part.

What is the difference between an asteroid and a comet? | Cool Cosmos

The evolutionary explanation (theory) is that the comet goes through what they call an "ort cloud" which replenishes the comet every so often. The problem is that this is total and complete speculation and has no basis in science.

I do accept the size of the Milky way, the galaxies and their distances and number of stars.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:25 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513881 wrote: Um, no...actually comets only last only 5-10,000 years. So, if everything is billions of years old, all of the comets should have burned out long ago.

Comets probably are continuously formed and last until they disperse all of their material, though at least one theory suggest that they may collect more material as they they make their sweep in orbit.

It will take some very long-term studies to actually determine an age for comets.

Can't help but wonder where you got that 5-10,000 years notion.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:16 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1513881 wrote: Um, no...actually comets only last only 5-10,000 years. So, if everything is billions of years old, all of the comets should have burned out long ago.

NO! I said......comets ( hayley)are older than your evidence of god! After you accused another member of believing the universe just popped out of thin air. Yet, you believe in a creation that you believe everything just popped out of thin air. Animals, man, water, skies. Youre a hypocrit.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:13 pm

LarsMac;1513907 wrote: Comets probably are continuously formed and last until they disperse all of their material, though at least one theory suggest that they may collect more material as they they make their sweep in orbit.

It will take some very long-term studies to actually determine an age for comets.

Can't help but wonder where you got that 5-10,000 years notion.

This article admits that they only last between 5-10,000 years as the creationists say, but claims the mysterious "ort cloud" which is never been observed, somehow replenishes the comets. What a joke. Evolution is a lie. The truth is that if the earth was millions of years old, these comets would have burned out long ago....Remember what I am telling you...Ort Cloud=FICTION. Ask them if they have ever observed them or can prove them. They can't. It's their made up explanation because they have no answer.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/arti ... omets-melt

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:18 am

Why is this thread turning into creationist theory?

Post by **spot** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:43 am

We have a rampaging evangelist on the loose and it's Be Kind To The Deluded week.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:12 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514057 wrote: This article admits that they only last between 5-10,000 years as the creationists say, but claims the mysterious "ort cloud" which is never been observed, somehow replenishes the comets. What a joke. Evolution is a lie. The truth is that if the earth was millions of years old, these comets would have burned out long ago....Remember what I am telling you...Ort Cloud=FICTION. Ask them if they have ever observed them or can prove them. They can't. It's their made up explanation because they have no answer.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/arti ... ts-meltThe Theory of Evolution is biology. Cosmology is not Evolution.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:49 pm

spot;1514081 wrote: We have a rampaging evangelist on the loose and it's Be Kind To The Deluded week.

Sigh.......okay I'll be nice to you then.

oh! sorry you meant him?:yh_wink:wah:

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:25 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514057 wrote: This article admits that they only last between 5-10,000 years as the creationists say, but claims the mysterious "ort cloud" which is never been observed, somehow replenishes the comets. What a joke. Evolution is a lie. The truth is that if the earth was millions of years old, these comets would have burned out long ago....Remember what I am telling you...Ort Cloud=FICTION. Ask them if they have ever observed them or can prove them. They can't. It's their made up explanation because they have no answer.

https://www.thenakedscientists.com/arti ... omets-melt

That's why its existence is only a Theory. Until something is discovered to be certain it remains a Theory. The Theory exists because it fits the facts of the Evidence. Of course, it's not the only Theory. There are many others. It's just that, at present, that is the leading Theory. It has always been the cry of the Creationist when faced with anything that puts their belief of a Magic Sky Daddy into question to decry it as being 'fictional' - just as the claim that the Earth went around the Sun. Gallileo got into some serious trouble with the Vatican for suggesting that. In the 17th century the Vatican even claimed that the rings around Saturn was the Holy Prepuce. Such is the Science of Religion.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:05 pm

magentaflame;1514069 wrote: Why is this thread turning into creationist theory?

The fact that comets only last 5-10,000 years isn't creationist theory, it's fact and any evolutionary scientist would be forced to admit it. The ort cloud is EVOLUTIONARY theory. It's not backed by science. Understand now?

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:35 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514191 wrote: The fact that comets only last 5-10,000 years isn't creationist theory, it's fact and any evolutionary scientist would be forced to admit it. The ort cloud is EVOLUTIONARY theory. It's not backed by science. Understand now?

The Oort cloud is not evolutionary theory. It has nothing to do with Evolution. Cosmologists came up with the Oort Cloud theory.

And, by the way, a theory is generally far more than just an opinion.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:27 pm

FourPart;1514153 wrote: That's why its existence is only a Theory. Until something is discovered to be certain it remains a Theory.This is not correct. Evolution, which has zero to do with cosmology, is a theory because it is still open-ended and not yet complete. However, it is as certain as could be. It is no different than gravitational theory or music theory.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:29 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514191 wrote: The fact that comets only last 5-10,000 years isn't creationist theory, it's fact and any evolutionary scientist would be forced to admit it. The ort cloud is EVOLUTIONARY theory. It's not backed by science. Understand now?You have no idea how foolish this post is. You are comparing apples to oranges.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:36 pm

LarsMac;1514205 wrote: The Oort cloud is not evolutionary theory. It has nothing to do with Evolution. Cosmologists came up with the Oort Cloud theory.

And, by the way, a theory is generally far more than just an opinion.

It's just opinion because they have no explanation for why the comets haven't burned out yet in supposed billions of years. It's just like the moon moves away from the earth a few feet every year. If you rewind the clock several million years, the moon would be touching the earth. Not possible that the earth is billions of years old.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:00 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514209 wrote: It's just opinion because they have no explanation for why the comets haven't burned out yet in supposed billions of years. It's just like the moon moves away from the earth a few feet every year. If you rewind the clock several million years, the moon would be touching the earth. Not possible that the earth is billions of years old.

[Sigh]

Potential comets that are hanging in the Oort cloud would not be coming in to close orbits, and therefore not having their material depleted by the process. And, Probably, they collect more matter and form constantly until something nudges them into the gravity well. That pretty well sums up the theory for the laymen, like us.

You really should read more.

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:17 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514209 wrote: If you rewind the clock several million years, the moon would be touching the earth. Not possible that the earth is billions of years old.

You just say what you want to be true, being a self-proclaimed evangelical Christian. What you say is not, in fact, true, nor is it Christian, but you say it anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_dis ... astronomy)

When the moon was really really close to the earth - 4.5bn years ago - the tidal effect was a lot stronger and the earth was slowed by it more each year than it is at the moment and the moon-earth distance increased faster than it does today. We have two measured values for the average moon-earth distance, today's directly observed value (60.32 earth radii) and the value derived from directly observed geological data 2.5bn years old, about 52 earth radii. Mathematical extrapolation and modelling, as opposed to direct observation, suggest the starting distance when the earth and moon formed 4.5bn years ago was about 3.8 earth radii.

Your statement that "if you rewind the clock several million years, the moon would be touching the earth" is out by a factor of around a thousand times, that's a huge estimating error on your part. I doubt you'll let go of it as "proof" of your creationism though.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:33 pm

LarsMac;1514211 wrote: [Sigh]

Potential comets that are hanging in the Oort cloud would not be coming in to close orbits, and therefore not having their material depleted by the process. And, Probably, they collect more matter and form constantly until something nudges them into the gravity well. That pretty well sums up the theory for the laymen, like us.

You really should read more.

All speculation. There is no ort cloud for the comets that we observe. That's not science.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:55 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514271 wrote: All speculation. There is no ort cloud for the comets that we observe. That's not science.

You have scientific proof that there is no Oort Cloud, then?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:48 pm

LarsMac;1514279 wrote: You have scientific proof that there is no Oort Cloud, then?

What I know is that there is no evidence of the ort cloud other than the theory, no one has ever seen one unlike with God where there is plenty of evidence to back up a belief in Him.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:33 pm

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:10 pm

tude dog;1514296 wrote:

Using this as evidence of aliens (I know it's not really) is like using the illustrations and drawing evolutionists use to prove evolution.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:20 pm

http://wischlist.com/wp-content/uploads ... 092712.jpg

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:26 pm

SO ANYWAY!!!!!!

If you'd like to have a look see of the skies above you go to this site and have a look a the comet forecast

https://in-the-sky.org/data/comets.php

The site figures out where you are and gives you the appropriate info

https://in-the-sky.org/newscal.php