Hoss;1050250 wrote: I have every right to ask, is there anything wrong with asking for peace in this issue? You seem to think that until they hate about how they have been treated for a few hundred years more then they will be ready to forgive. 'Now' is always the best time to forgive and move on, thats how we heal problems like racism, somehwere along the line someone has to be big enough to let the offense die, or we will never get passed it.
The offense has been held in the hands of those who hadn't suffered from it. It has only been 50 some odd years since African Americans were given any rights at all and to expect they have a hand in abolishing racism is stupid.
To say that it's African American's fault for racism is not only asenine but stupid. (I'm just making a statement)...
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Hoss;1049974 wrote: I just want to go on record as saying that I completely disagree with Spot. I don't have to be black to see what racism does to people. I can make my opinion on it all I want. I don't have to be black to say it should be forgotten, and I don't have to be black to think that they need to let it go as much as the other races need to let it go too.
The only thing I can't do is ask forgiveness to the ones who are harmed by racism because I didn't do it to them.
I can see from the outside looking in what needs to be done about racism, and it's not hard to see, it's very simple. I just can't do it for them.
I agree with you Hoss, "the sins of the fathers should not be visited on the sons", if you go back far enough, every race, nation, creed, even family is guilty of something, so what?
People are defined by what they think, and what they do, in their own lifetime, not by what others did in the past. If people pay respect to the mistakes of the past, and try their best not to repeat them, that should be enough for anyone.
The attempt to pin the guilt-trip for past horrors on current generations is a very serious wrong, and should be countered at every opportunity.
Despite the fact that there are still issues of racism and injustice in the US (just like everywhere else) I think that the events that have happened in American government this week, show that it has a far more enlightened attitude to race, institutionally at least, than in many other parts of the world, and you should be credited for that, despite the undoubted institutional injustices of the past, particularly against black Americans.
The only thing I can't do is ask forgiveness to the ones who are harmed by racism because I didn't do it to them.
I can see from the outside looking in what needs to be done about racism, and it's not hard to see, it's very simple. I just can't do it for them.
I agree with you Hoss, "the sins of the fathers should not be visited on the sons", if you go back far enough, every race, nation, creed, even family is guilty of something, so what?
People are defined by what they think, and what they do, in their own lifetime, not by what others did in the past. If people pay respect to the mistakes of the past, and try their best not to repeat them, that should be enough for anyone.
The attempt to pin the guilt-trip for past horrors on current generations is a very serious wrong, and should be countered at every opportunity.
Despite the fact that there are still issues of racism and injustice in the US (just like everywhere else) I think that the events that have happened in American government this week, show that it has a far more enlightened attitude to race, institutionally at least, than in many other parts of the world, and you should be credited for that, despite the undoubted institutional injustices of the past, particularly against black Americans.
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Le Rochefoucauld.
"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
My dad 1986.
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Galbally;1050330 wrote: I agree with you Hoss, "the sins of the fathers should not be visited on the sons", if you go back far enough, every race, nation, creed, even family is guilty of something, so what?
People are defined by what they think, and what they do, in their own lifetime, not by what others did in the past. If people pay respect to the mistakes of the past, and try their best not to repeat them, that should be enough for anyone.
The attempt to pin the guilt-trip for past horrors on current generations is a very serious wrong, and should be countered at every opportunity.
Despite the fact that there are still issues of racism and injustice in the US (just like everywhere else) I think that the events that have happened in American government this week, show that it has a far more enlightened attitude to race, institutionally at least, than in many other parts of the world, and you should be credited for that, despite the undoubted institutional injustices of the past, particularly against black Americans.
You never fail to articulate in a most profound manner what Im unable to.
People are defined by what they think, and what they do, in their own lifetime, not by what others did in the past. If people pay respect to the mistakes of the past, and try their best not to repeat them, that should be enough for anyone.
The attempt to pin the guilt-trip for past horrors on current generations is a very serious wrong, and should be countered at every opportunity.
Despite the fact that there are still issues of racism and injustice in the US (just like everywhere else) I think that the events that have happened in American government this week, show that it has a far more enlightened attitude to race, institutionally at least, than in many other parts of the world, and you should be credited for that, despite the undoubted institutional injustices of the past, particularly against black Americans.
You never fail to articulate in a most profound manner what Im unable to.
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Hoss;1050491 wrote: I'm saying that if race had something to do with him being elected it wasn't out of a true disregard for race; it was out of a negative aspect of racism for the most part. Very well stated.
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Galbally;1050330 wrote: The attempt to pin the guilt-trip for past horrors on current generations is a very serious wrong, and should be countered at every opportunity.Were it not that American blacks are still seriously disadvantaged I'd agree with you, but they quite evidently are.
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Hoss;1048473 wrote: Yes, you must have. They never had the right granted to them in the first place.
quite right, then I guess it would be denying them the right....
pity in these days and ages of life that we would deny same sex marriage yet we condone killing :-5
quite right, then I guess it would be denying them the right....
pity in these days and ages of life that we would deny same sex marriage yet we condone killing :-5
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Hoss;1051398 wrote: If we would actually execute murderers then there would be much less murders murdering.I'm sure that if there were any evidence to support that mistaken opinion you'd have what you want. It's the lack of any evidence that stops it being adopted as a policy.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Thank you America.
Hoss;1051411 wrote: Really, has there ever been someone who was convicted of murder then got out and murdered again?
Im sure there are.
Far fewer, I suggest, than have been executed for a crime they didn't commit - that being a major plank in rejecting capital punishment. Recidivism rates for convicted murderers released on parole are available, they're lower than you seem to suggest. They'd be lower still if jails worked more assiduously toward rehabilitation.
Im sure there are.
Far fewer, I suggest, than have been executed for a crime they didn't commit - that being a major plank in rejecting capital punishment. Recidivism rates for convicted murderers released on parole are available, they're lower than you seem to suggest. They'd be lower still if jails worked more assiduously toward rehabilitation.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left. ... Hold no regard for unsupported opinion.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious. [Fred Wedlock, "The Folker"]
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Hoss;1051421 wrote: So it's a simple trade off to you then? You claim more innocent people are killed by capital punishment in the US than innocent people are killed by convicted murderers?
No. First I don't believe it, your going to have to prove it to me; second, murderers deserve to die based on what they did. Forget rehabilitation, they forfeited their right to life by murdering an innocent person. And on that I’m not willing to change my mind on.
Convicted murders kill prison guards you do know that don't you?
Also they have on occasion escaped prison.
No. First I don't believe it, your going to have to prove it to me; second, murderers deserve to die based on what they did. Forget rehabilitation, they forfeited their right to life by murdering an innocent person. And on that I’m not willing to change my mind on.
Convicted murders kill prison guards you do know that don't you?
Also they have on occasion escaped prison.
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Hoss;1050491 wrote:
Thank you for seeing my point without calling it asinine, stupid, or delusional.
Hoss,..you're on the assumption path again.
I made a simple statement. If you feel at all I'm implying that what you'd said or ever will say is "asinine" or "stupid" all you have to do is ask.
My statement however speaks for itself.
*Edit - I did call what you said about Obama being elected President delusional from which I'd specifically stated in the post I know you're referencing...K.Snyder;1050260 wrote: (I'm just making a statement)....
Thank you for seeing my point without calling it asinine, stupid, or delusional.
Hoss,..you're on the assumption path again.
I made a simple statement. If you feel at all I'm implying that what you'd said or ever will say is "asinine" or "stupid" all you have to do is ask.
My statement however speaks for itself.
*Edit - I did call what you said about Obama being elected President delusional from which I'd specifically stated in the post I know you're referencing...K.Snyder;1050260 wrote: (I'm just making a statement)....
Thank you America.
Galbally;1050330 wrote: I agree with you Hoss, "the sins of the fathers should not be visited on the sons", if you go back far enough, every race, nation, creed, even family is guilty of something, so what?
People are defined by what they think, and what they do, in their own lifetime, not by what others did in the past. If people pay respect to the mistakes of the past, and try their best not to repeat them, that should be enough for anyone.
The attempt to pin the guilt-trip for past horrors on current generations is a very serious wrong, and should be countered at every opportunity.
Despite the fact that there are still issues of racism and injustice in the US (just like everywhere else) I think that the events that have happened in American government this week, show that it has a far more enlightened attitude to race, institutionally at least, than in many other parts of the world, and you should be credited for that, despite the undoubted institutional injustices of the past, particularly against black Americans.
I can't say that I disagree with one single syllable within this entire post.
People are defined by what they think, and what they do, in their own lifetime, not by what others did in the past. If people pay respect to the mistakes of the past, and try their best not to repeat them, that should be enough for anyone.
The attempt to pin the guilt-trip for past horrors on current generations is a very serious wrong, and should be countered at every opportunity.
Despite the fact that there are still issues of racism and injustice in the US (just like everywhere else) I think that the events that have happened in American government this week, show that it has a far more enlightened attitude to race, institutionally at least, than in many other parts of the world, and you should be credited for that, despite the undoubted institutional injustices of the past, particularly against black Americans.
I can't say that I disagree with one single syllable within this entire post.