Deja Vu
Seen it all before
Ive been going through this revolving door so many times....
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Betty Boop;1400689 wrote: I just wanted to clarify that I was reading the same post as you. I think it's a matter of perception then, I don't see anything in that post that insinuates jj directly pm ing koan. I see koan second guessing that those that call people out in public threads are already managing a campaign behind the scenes that involves other members rather than the individual being targeted.
Personally I don't think one follows the other in all cases, most people just act slyly behind the scenes then act all innocent when someone outs them :wah: Seems to be a fact of forum life, just like real life.
And your previous post Insinuates that there Is a campaign going to run Koan off the site. You also Insinuate that because you have seen pm's, you are putting It Into members minds here now, today, that they have come from the people Involved In this thread.
It's similar to the time Spot posted In the green room that I was apparently ' laughing It up off site at my attempts to disrupt this forum because I wanted to buy out FG and failed'. He had absolutely no evidence to support this.
The only problem I see, Is over-active Imaginations or persecution complexes that just because some members don't have a problem with the members you think we should have a problem with, or we don't lap up every word from the members you think highly of, then there's some sort of conspiricy going on.
When I use ' you' I mean a collective you.
I certainly have had no conversation with anyone here to run Koan off the site and I don't believe JJ has either. I have never seen any pm even suggesting It.
Personally I don't think one follows the other in all cases, most people just act slyly behind the scenes then act all innocent when someone outs them :wah: Seems to be a fact of forum life, just like real life.
And your previous post Insinuates that there Is a campaign going to run Koan off the site. You also Insinuate that because you have seen pm's, you are putting It Into members minds here now, today, that they have come from the people Involved In this thread.
It's similar to the time Spot posted In the green room that I was apparently ' laughing It up off site at my attempts to disrupt this forum because I wanted to buy out FG and failed'. He had absolutely no evidence to support this.
The only problem I see, Is over-active Imaginations or persecution complexes that just because some members don't have a problem with the members you think we should have a problem with, or we don't lap up every word from the members you think highly of, then there's some sort of conspiricy going on.
When I use ' you' I mean a collective you.
I certainly have had no conversation with anyone here to run Koan off the site and I don't believe JJ has either. I have never seen any pm even suggesting It.
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Snowfire;1400692 wrote: Deja Vu
Seen it all before
Ive been going through this revolving door so many times....
Thats odd and surely not legal. The words Deja vu appeared in my reply as a link to an ebay site advertising a dress. That wasnt my doing
Is skimwords a feature of this site cos it stinks
Seen it all before
Ive been going through this revolving door so many times....
Thats odd and surely not legal. The words Deja vu appeared in my reply as a link to an ebay site advertising a dress. That wasnt my doing
Is skimwords a feature of this site cos it stinks
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Snowfire;1400695 wrote: Thats odd and surely not legal. The words Deja vu appeared in my reply as a link to an ebay site advertising a dress. That wasnt my doing
Is skimwords a feature of this site cos it stinks
Back just a few days and you're already shilling "Deja vu". You should be ashamed of yourself.
Is skimwords a feature of this site cos it stinks
Back just a few days and you're already shilling "Deja vu". You should be ashamed of yourself.
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jones jones;1400488 wrote: Reason I posted this? Some time back I sent a "Private" message to Spot and he responded by posting it in a thread. Whats good for the Spot is good for the Jj.
Spot did it too ?
I know I did some time ago.
Just to put the record straight.
I shall now wipe my feet and leave this thread.........and have a shower............with carbolic.
Spot did it too ?
I know I did some time ago.
Just to put the record straight.
I shall now wipe my feet and leave this thread.........and have a shower............with carbolic.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1400697 wrote: Spot did it too ?
I know I did some time ago.
Just to put the record straight.
I shall now wipe my feet and leave this thread.........and have a shower............with carbolic.
Say hi to carbolic for me.
I know I did some time ago.
Just to put the record straight.
I shall now wipe my feet and leave this thread.........and have a shower............with carbolic.
Say hi to carbolic for me.
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YZGI;1400698 wrote: Say hi to carbolic for me.
I have left this thread.......stop encouraging me.
I have left this thread.......stop encouraging me.
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oscar;1400693 wrote: And your previous post Insinuates that there Is a campaign going to run Koan off the site. You also Insinuate that because you have seen pm's, you are putting It Into members minds here now, today, that they have come from the people Involved In this thread.
It's similar to the time Spot posted In the green room that I was apparently ' laughing It up off site at my attempts to disrupt this forum because I wanted to buy out FG and failed'. He had absolutely no evidence to support this.
The only problem I see, Is over-active Imaginations or persecution complexes that just because some members don't have a problem with the members you think we should have a problem with, or we don't lap up every word from the members you think highly of, then there's some sort of conspiricy going on.
When I use ' you' I mean a collective you.
I certainly have had no conversation with anyone here to run Koan off the site and I don't believe JJ has either. I have never seen any pm even suggesting It.
Jesus wept, nowhere am I insinuating anyone is running Koan off the site in pm's. You really do read far too much into words that are said. I said I wasn't naming names and I spoke in general terms of FG as a whole not as the people in this thread.
You are impossible to have a discussion with, you twist and turn everything at every which way you can.
You carry on Oscar, it's like going round in a continuous circle with you and no one is getting anywhere very fast.
It's similar to the time Spot posted In the green room that I was apparently ' laughing It up off site at my attempts to disrupt this forum because I wanted to buy out FG and failed'. He had absolutely no evidence to support this.
The only problem I see, Is over-active Imaginations or persecution complexes that just because some members don't have a problem with the members you think we should have a problem with, or we don't lap up every word from the members you think highly of, then there's some sort of conspiricy going on.
When I use ' you' I mean a collective you.
I certainly have had no conversation with anyone here to run Koan off the site and I don't believe JJ has either. I have never seen any pm even suggesting It.
Jesus wept, nowhere am I insinuating anyone is running Koan off the site in pm's. You really do read far too much into words that are said. I said I wasn't naming names and I spoke in general terms of FG as a whole not as the people in this thread.
You are impossible to have a discussion with, you twist and turn everything at every which way you can.
You carry on Oscar, it's like going round in a continuous circle with you and no one is getting anywhere very fast.
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SnoozeAgain;1400668 wrote: Clever insinuation. Are you saying JJ's been sending you threatening PMs?
I do believe Snooze that in the last few years I have Private Messaged Ms Koan once ... maybe twice and this was to clarify my rights or lack thereof in connection with an infraction she gave me.
I do believe Snooze that in the last few years I have Private Messaged Ms Koan once ... maybe twice and this was to clarify my rights or lack thereof in connection with an infraction she gave me.
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How silly.
I'm explaining why spot might have reacted harshly to the challenge/threat that JJ took it upon himself to issue. Yes, people use PMs to manipulate the comings and goings of other members. Yes, we could name a few names. No, we are not going to name any names. Nobody has said JJ bullies through PMs, we only know he publicly wrote an "it's you or me" challenge. It is suspicious. Suspicious to those who have been here a long, bloody time and seen a lot of things.
I think wanting to infract spot for giving an infraction is ludicrous.
Sure, debating the infraction is reasonable. I've not endorsed the infraction.
If spot saw what was written as behaviour that endangers the site... he's not wrong. There is, however, lots of bad behaviour on the site and we are no longer supposed to be using heavy moderation.
I'm explaining why spot might have reacted harshly to the challenge/threat that JJ took it upon himself to issue. Yes, people use PMs to manipulate the comings and goings of other members. Yes, we could name a few names. No, we are not going to name any names. Nobody has said JJ bullies through PMs, we only know he publicly wrote an "it's you or me" challenge. It is suspicious. Suspicious to those who have been here a long, bloody time and seen a lot of things.
I think wanting to infract spot for giving an infraction is ludicrous.
Sure, debating the infraction is reasonable. I've not endorsed the infraction.
If spot saw what was written as behaviour that endangers the site... he's not wrong. There is, however, lots of bad behaviour on the site and we are no longer supposed to be using heavy moderation.
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jones jones;1400701 wrote: I do believe Snooze that in the last few years I have Private Messaged Ms Koan once ... maybe twice and this was to clarify my rights or lack thereof in connection with an infraction she gave me.
Over the last few years, no, we don't PM. Before that, I was directly inserted between you and a good friend of mine who you would not leave alone. You harassed her, she asked you to leave her alone, you didn't stop. We did PM a little more back then, though it has never been pleasant.
Unlike Snooze, I didn't just hear a few rumours about you, I was in the middle of your twisted games.
Over the last few years, no, we don't PM. Before that, I was directly inserted between you and a good friend of mine who you would not leave alone. You harassed her, she asked you to leave her alone, you didn't stop. We did PM a little more back then, though it has never been pleasant.
Unlike Snooze, I didn't just hear a few rumours about you, I was in the middle of your twisted games.
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koan;1400706 wrote: Over the last few years, no, we don't PM. Before that, I was directly inserted between you and a good friend of mine who you would not leave alone. You harassed her, she asked you to leave her alone, you didn't stop. We did PM a little more back then, though it has never been pleasant.
Unlike Snooze, I didn't just hear a few rumours about you, I was in the middle of your twisted games.
That is ancient history and dredging it up over and over again can serve no purpose whatsoever. You have an opinion in this regard which you have voiced ad nauseum.
Unlike Snooze, I didn't just hear a few rumours about you, I was in the middle of your twisted games.
That is ancient history and dredging it up over and over again can serve no purpose whatsoever. You have an opinion in this regard which you have voiced ad nauseum.
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I don't like you. I don't have to like you. I have reasons.
That is not ancient history, that is current.
The discussion here is whether or not spot abused his power by judging you to be a menace. You wanted a public debate about whether or not you are a menace... well, now you've got it.
I'm much more interested in explaining why I don't agree with the infraction but I understand why spot did it.
That is not ancient history, that is current.
The discussion here is whether or not spot abused his power by judging you to be a menace. You wanted a public debate about whether or not you are a menace... well, now you've got it.
I'm much more interested in explaining why I don't agree with the infraction but I understand why spot did it.
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koan;1400708 wrote: I don't like you. I don't have to like you. I have reasons.
That is not ancient history, that is current.
The discussion here is whether or not spot abused his power by judging you to be a menace. You wanted a public debate about whether or not you are a menace... well, now you've got it.
I'm much more interested in explaining why I don't agree with the infraction but I understand why spot did it.
Whether you or any other member of Forum Garden "likes me" is irrelevant. It is your democratic right to voice your opinion about anything you wish and whether or not you agree or otherwise about the infraction I received from Spot is entirely your concern.
That is not ancient history, that is current.
The discussion here is whether or not spot abused his power by judging you to be a menace. You wanted a public debate about whether or not you are a menace... well, now you've got it.
I'm much more interested in explaining why I don't agree with the infraction but I understand why spot did it.
Whether you or any other member of Forum Garden "likes me" is irrelevant. It is your democratic right to voice your opinion about anything you wish and whether or not you agree or otherwise about the infraction I received from Spot is entirely your concern.
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You seem concerned.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself at the mercy of a poll of what others think.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself the topic in a public thread so people could share their opinions of you and help determine your fate.
What I think of you is not concerning you because you know I'm not going to change it.
But here is the grand thread you've created. And I'm connected to it because I'm the one you asked to engage in a popularity vote with. Quite an odd thing to do for someone who doesn't care what others think.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself at the mercy of a poll of what others think.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself the topic in a public thread so people could share their opinions of you and help determine your fate.
What I think of you is not concerning you because you know I'm not going to change it.
But here is the grand thread you've created. And I'm connected to it because I'm the one you asked to engage in a popularity vote with. Quite an odd thing to do for someone who doesn't care what others think.
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koan;1400711 wrote: You seem concerned.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself at the mercy of a poll of what others think.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself the topic in a public thread so people could share their opinions of you and help determine your fate.
What I think of you is not concerning you because you know I'm not going to change it.
But here is the grand thread you've created. And I'm connected to it because I'm the one you asked to engage in a popularity vote with. Quite an odd thing to do for someone who doesn't care what others think.
I may be dumb Ms Koan but I am not a fool. I am fully cognisant of where this thread can ultimately take me if I am lulled into a false sense of security. It is rapidly becoming a "damned if I do damned of I don't" scenario for me. I have, with two or three exceptions, no real supporters here on Forum Garden as most of my friends have long since left for Forums new. Bearing this in mind, I will reply to any future posts you might decide to make here with a big smiling smilie and a nod of my head. However ... I have noted what is written at the foot of your posts.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself at the mercy of a poll of what others think.
You seemed quite keen to put yourself the topic in a public thread so people could share their opinions of you and help determine your fate.
What I think of you is not concerning you because you know I'm not going to change it.
But here is the grand thread you've created. And I'm connected to it because I'm the one you asked to engage in a popularity vote with. Quite an odd thing to do for someone who doesn't care what others think.
I may be dumb Ms Koan but I am not a fool. I am fully cognisant of where this thread can ultimately take me if I am lulled into a false sense of security. It is rapidly becoming a "damned if I do damned of I don't" scenario for me. I have, with two or three exceptions, no real supporters here on Forum Garden as most of my friends have long since left for Forums new. Bearing this in mind, I will reply to any future posts you might decide to make here with a big smiling smilie and a nod of my head. However ... I have noted what is written at the foot of your posts.
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Jones will not be returning to FG.
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oscar;1400849 wrote: Jones will not be returning to FG.
Wanna bet ?
Wanna bet ?
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oscar;1400849 wrote: Jones will not be returning to FG.
What's the status on the greased pig?
What's the status on the greased pig?
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Bruv;1400856 wrote: Wanna bet ? No.... Not this time.
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I wouldn't let spot run me off the site, in fact that would make me dig my heels in even deeper. He gave up too easily.
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oscar;1400849 wrote: Jones will not be returning to FG.
Why?
Not that it matters to me much.
I mean, who needs the melodrama?
Why?
Not that it matters to me much.
I mean, who needs the melodrama?
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Accountable;1400857 wrote: What's the status on the greased pig?
Sausage.
Sausage.
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SnoozeAgain;1400859 wrote: I wouldn't let spot run me off the site, in fact that would make me dig my heels in even deeper. He gave up too easily.
If I had a dime for every time someone was never returning, I could have myself a really nice steak dinner. Personally, I think we should start a pool every time someone leaves for good, with our guesstimate of the return date. Winner gets a free subscription so they can hang out in back and watch the real drama unfold....
Although to be fair to JJ, it's Oscar saying he won't be back this time, not JJ.
If I had a dime for every time someone was never returning, I could have myself a really nice steak dinner. Personally, I think we should start a pool every time someone leaves for good, with our guesstimate of the return date. Winner gets a free subscription so they can hang out in back and watch the real drama unfold....
Although to be fair to JJ, it's Oscar saying he won't be back this time, not JJ.
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
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SnoozeAgain;1400859 wrote: I wouldn't let spot run me off the site, in fact that would make me dig my heels in even deeper. He gave up too easily.
It wasn't Spot what run 'im off, this time.
He embarrassed himself.
He'll be back after it all blows over, I bet.
It wasn't Spot what run 'im off, this time.
He embarrassed himself.
He'll be back after it all blows over, I bet.
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LarsMac;1400902 wrote: It wasn't Spot what run 'im off, this time.
He embarrassed himself.
He'll be back after it all blows over, I bet.
JJ gets embarrassed??
He embarrassed himself.
He'll be back after it all blows over, I bet.
JJ gets embarrassed??
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LarsMac;1400902 wrote: It wasn't Spot what run 'im off, this time.
He embarrassed himself.
He'll be back after it all blows over, I bet.
I told him his zipper was down.
He embarrassed himself.
He'll be back after it all blows over, I bet.
I told him his zipper was down.
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flopstock;1400898 wrote: If I had a dime for every time someone was never returning, I could have myself a really nice steak dinner. Personally, I think we should start a pool every time someone leaves for good, with our guesstimate of the return date. Winner gets a free subscription so they can hang out in back and watch the real drama unfold....
Although to be fair to JJ, it's Oscar saying he won't be back this time, not JJ.
Sorry but the practice of pasting private messages, e mails and repeating conversations on a public site has never been my thing and I'm not resorting to It now. Nor will I forward any messages and e mails sent to me where someone has taken me Into their confidence or poured out their feelings to me.
Myself, I do hope he will return to FG but I really don't believe he will this time. He seems resolute In that decision.
Spot and Koan didn't want JJ on the site.... yeah, we all got It. There are many members here who were not around during the troubles with JJ, there-fore we don't care. I have posted with JJ under anther user name on another forum and along with FG, I've never had a bad word from him. If anything, he's been a perfect gent toward me at all times. I along with others didn't want to be caught up In the ' Yeah but JJ, 4 years ago, you did this, 3 years ago, you did that ' mentality. Some us had no agenda other than enjoying his varied topics. As I recall during my time here, he's been made to make apologies time after time for the same sins yet never really allowed to just come here and post without being constantly called out and challenged.
As I was not here during the troubles, that Is merely an outsiders point of view.
Although to be fair to JJ, it's Oscar saying he won't be back this time, not JJ.
Sorry but the practice of pasting private messages, e mails and repeating conversations on a public site has never been my thing and I'm not resorting to It now. Nor will I forward any messages and e mails sent to me where someone has taken me Into their confidence or poured out their feelings to me.
Myself, I do hope he will return to FG but I really don't believe he will this time. He seems resolute In that decision.
Spot and Koan didn't want JJ on the site.... yeah, we all got It. There are many members here who were not around during the troubles with JJ, there-fore we don't care. I have posted with JJ under anther user name on another forum and along with FG, I've never had a bad word from him. If anything, he's been a perfect gent toward me at all times. I along with others didn't want to be caught up In the ' Yeah but JJ, 4 years ago, you did this, 3 years ago, you did that ' mentality. Some us had no agenda other than enjoying his varied topics. As I recall during my time here, he's been made to make apologies time after time for the same sins yet never really allowed to just come here and post without being constantly called out and challenged.
As I was not here during the troubles, that Is merely an outsiders point of view.
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oscar;1400913 wrote: Sorry but the practice of pasting private messages, e mails and repeating conversations on a public site has never been my thing and I'm not resorting to It now. Nor will I forward any messages and e mails sent to me where someone has taken me Into their confidence or poured out their feelings to me.
Myself, I do hope he will return to FG but I really don't believe he will this time. He seems resolute In that decision.
Spot and Koan didn't want JJ on the site.... yeah, we all got It. There are many members here who were not around during the troubles with JJ, there-fore we don't care. I have posted with JJ under anther user name on another forum and along with FG, I've never had a bad word from him. If anything, he's been a perfect gent toward me at all times. I along with others didn't want to be caught up In the ' Yeah but JJ, 4 years ago, you did this, 3 years ago, you did that ' mentality. Some us had no agenda other than enjoying his varied topics. As I recall during my time here, he's been made to make apologies time after time for the same sins yet never really allowed to just come here and post without being constantly called out and challenged.
As I was not here during the troubles, that Is merely an outsiders point of view.
I wasn't around much, either posting or reading, when JJ first joined FG, and so I can't comment on his past behaviour here.
But I don't like his style of posting or the way he addresses people
Myself, I do hope he will return to FG but I really don't believe he will this time. He seems resolute In that decision.
Spot and Koan didn't want JJ on the site.... yeah, we all got It. There are many members here who were not around during the troubles with JJ, there-fore we don't care. I have posted with JJ under anther user name on another forum and along with FG, I've never had a bad word from him. If anything, he's been a perfect gent toward me at all times. I along with others didn't want to be caught up In the ' Yeah but JJ, 4 years ago, you did this, 3 years ago, you did that ' mentality. Some us had no agenda other than enjoying his varied topics. As I recall during my time here, he's been made to make apologies time after time for the same sins yet never really allowed to just come here and post without being constantly called out and challenged.
As I was not here during the troubles, that Is merely an outsiders point of view.
I wasn't around much, either posting or reading, when JJ first joined FG, and so I can't comment on his past behaviour here.
But I don't like his style of posting or the way he addresses people
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theia;1400926 wrote: I wasn't around much, either posting or reading, when JJ first joined FG, and so I can't comment on his past behaviour here.
But I don't like his style of posting or the way he addresses people Horses fr Courses Thia.
Surely a forum Is a combination of different people. different views, different ways of expressing themselves. It's what makes forums attractive In the first place. The chance to share views or opinions. No-one will ever like every member we meet on line. It's ridiculous to assume we will. As forums are made up of human beings, emotions come Into It. Petty jealousy, past grievances, tit for tat etc... but from what I have seen, far from the 'campaign' as It was put In the back room to run Koan off the site, It has been the other way around when It came to Jones. Anyone who happened to agree with him or enjoyed his threads was accused of being In league with him to bring the site down. It was no more than a ' I'm pissed off because you don't hate the people I hate' so let's keep bringing up old events In an attempt to turn members rather than let him just be and accept the fact that not all members had a problem with him. Some members could get along with him without there being some sort of 'campaign' being waged. That Is nothing more than an over-active Imagination or a persecution complex.
But I don't like his style of posting or the way he addresses people Horses fr Courses Thia.
Surely a forum Is a combination of different people. different views, different ways of expressing themselves. It's what makes forums attractive In the first place. The chance to share views or opinions. No-one will ever like every member we meet on line. It's ridiculous to assume we will. As forums are made up of human beings, emotions come Into It. Petty jealousy, past grievances, tit for tat etc... but from what I have seen, far from the 'campaign' as It was put In the back room to run Koan off the site, It has been the other way around when It came to Jones. Anyone who happened to agree with him or enjoyed his threads was accused of being In league with him to bring the site down. It was no more than a ' I'm pissed off because you don't hate the people I hate' so let's keep bringing up old events In an attempt to turn members rather than let him just be and accept the fact that not all members had a problem with him. Some members could get along with him without there being some sort of 'campaign' being waged. That Is nothing more than an over-active Imagination or a persecution complex.
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While I am among those who enjoyed many of the threads he started, I found his style when responding to others to be a bit condescending and dismissive.
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
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LarsMac;1400938 wrote: While I am among those who enjoyed many of the threads he started, I found his style when responding to others to be a bit condescending and dismissive.
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
Some people do
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
Some people do
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LarsMac;1400938 wrote: While I am among those who enjoyed many of the threads he started, I found his style when responding to others to be a bit condescending and dismissive.
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
I agree... Yes, at times he could have that way...
But If we are going to be open and honest here, then why was this recent thread Ignored?
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... -dead.html
For the record, I know that JJ was on line seeing this thread.
He Ignored the first post and walked away from It.
He Ignored the second post.
He Ignored the third post.
Others turned a blind eye to It...
In the 'Hiroshima ' thread, the first attack was by Koan on JJ.
He Ignored It.
Others turned a blind eye to It.
A second attack came and and whoa, hold the horses, JJ has dared to respond after being goaded 5 times.
JJ gets Infracted by a hysterical response that he's calling out a member.
The Infraction Is removed after It's found there Is no substance to It.
So, exactly how many attacks Is he supposed to Ignore before he responds ?
It's not about my defending JJ.. It's about common fairness.
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
I agree... Yes, at times he could have that way...
But If we are going to be open and honest here, then why was this recent thread Ignored?
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... -dead.html
For the record, I know that JJ was on line seeing this thread.
He Ignored the first post and walked away from It.
He Ignored the second post.
He Ignored the third post.
Others turned a blind eye to It...
In the 'Hiroshima ' thread, the first attack was by Koan on JJ.
He Ignored It.
Others turned a blind eye to It.
A second attack came and and whoa, hold the horses, JJ has dared to respond after being goaded 5 times.
JJ gets Infracted by a hysterical response that he's calling out a member.
The Infraction Is removed after It's found there Is no substance to It.
So, exactly how many attacks Is he supposed to Ignore before he responds ?
It's not about my defending JJ.. It's about common fairness.
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The Bible says, seven times seventy.
Not sure if that's really any help, but I didn't know what else to say.
I mean you can't really wrap up all that into a single attack. And you can't ignore the context, either.
If you hold a grudge from February, you probably need to get a life, IMHO
Yes, KOAN was out of line, in the Hiroshima thing, perhaps, and both JJ and Spot overreacted.
I thought I heard KOAN snickering in the background after that.
But, this is all teenager stuff. I thought we were all adults, here.
Perhaps I am mistaken.
As Forrest Gump often said, "And that's all I've got to say about that."
Not sure if that's really any help, but I didn't know what else to say.
I mean you can't really wrap up all that into a single attack. And you can't ignore the context, either.
If you hold a grudge from February, you probably need to get a life, IMHO
Yes, KOAN was out of line, in the Hiroshima thing, perhaps, and both JJ and Spot overreacted.
I thought I heard KOAN snickering in the background after that.
But, this is all teenager stuff. I thought we were all adults, here.
Perhaps I am mistaken.
As Forrest Gump often said, "And that's all I've got to say about that."
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LarsMac;1400951 wrote: The Bible says, seven times seventy.
Not sure if that's really any help, but I didn't know what else to say.
I mean you can't really wrap up all that into a single attack. And you can't ignore the context, either.
If you hold a grudge from February, you probably need to get a life, IMHO
Yes, KOAN was out of line, in the Hiroshima thing, perhaps, and both JJ and Spot overreacted.
I thought I heard KOAN snickering in the background after that.
But, this is all teenager stuff. I thought we were all adults, here.
Perhaps I am mistaken.
As Forrest Gump often said, "And that's all I've got to say about that." I just thought that If we were all going to be fair here, we should see what JJ walked away from along with what he responded to.
As my Father used to say... Tell everyone It's a bad dog long and hard enough, who knows, someone may kick It"
That's all from me.
Not sure if that's really any help, but I didn't know what else to say.
I mean you can't really wrap up all that into a single attack. And you can't ignore the context, either.
If you hold a grudge from February, you probably need to get a life, IMHO
Yes, KOAN was out of line, in the Hiroshima thing, perhaps, and both JJ and Spot overreacted.
I thought I heard KOAN snickering in the background after that.
But, this is all teenager stuff. I thought we were all adults, here.
Perhaps I am mistaken.
As Forrest Gump often said, "And that's all I've got to say about that." I just thought that If we were all going to be fair here, we should see what JJ walked away from along with what he responded to.
As my Father used to say... Tell everyone It's a bad dog long and hard enough, who knows, someone may kick It"
That's all from me.
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oscar;1400913 wrote: Sorry but the practice of pasting private messages, e mails and repeating conversations on a public site has never been my thing and I'm not resorting to It now. Nor will I forward any messages and e mails sent to me where someone has taken me Into their confidence or poured out their feelings to me.
Myself, I do hope he will return to FG but I really don't believe he will this time. He seems resolute In that decision.
Of course Jj has been following this thread and has asked me to post this...now the next question will be then why didn't he post it himself. He is tired of being caught up in the negative vibes here and he just wants to more on.
And Oscar it is sweet of you to stand up for Jj
but I don't think it will make a difference with this crowd.
Please do me a favour and post this on FG. Its the last message I sent to Oscar.
Hi Oscar; Just to keep you up to speed cos you and maybe Snooze are the only friends I have had on FG. I speak with Lady J every day so I am not including her. I’ve done a bit of thinking since Sunday and have decided to exit FG probably permanently this time.
I really had no idea of just how much hatred and spite was being harboured against me by Spot & Ms. Koan. I’m not an egit so of course I’ve known for many years that both of them dislike me intensely, but the real extent of their hatred for me has only really “kicked in” now.
So today I figured: “WTF, this is just a Social Forum and there must be a gazillion others like it in this big playground we call the Internet. So why the Hades should I remain locked into this atmosphere of hate, spite and venom that is continually produced by a couple of horrid people thousands of miles distant from me?”
“Why not hang in there and maybe stuff will change.” My heart says.
“Are you nuts?” My head replies. “Haters are always gonna hate no matter what.”
I’m not very comfortable being around people who continually emit negativity in any form whatever, be it thru hatred, spite or even sarcasm. I am not like that so I can’t operate in such an environment.
So I will quietly withdraw with a whimper and not a bang and entirely without regrets. The Garden was awesome in the good old days before most of the really active members were squeezed out by you know who.
I really wish I had your resolve, your chutzpah Oscar but I have not.
You now my e-mail address so you can contact me if and when you feel so inclined. I will decide in the next few days whether or not to delete my account. Maybe I won't which will drive Spot nuts cos he will be frantically checking every new member to see if its ‘ol Jj in drag!!! Also future members of FG will probably enjoy reading my posts (if they are not deleted of course.)
Keep well honey
Your Internet pal,
Jj aka The Chosen.
So please post this on FG in any form and in any way you want ... only just go post it ... Okay?
Myself, I do hope he will return to FG but I really don't believe he will this time. He seems resolute In that decision.
Of course Jj has been following this thread and has asked me to post this...now the next question will be then why didn't he post it himself. He is tired of being caught up in the negative vibes here and he just wants to more on.
And Oscar it is sweet of you to stand up for Jj
but I don't think it will make a difference with this crowd.Please do me a favour and post this on FG. Its the last message I sent to Oscar.
Hi Oscar; Just to keep you up to speed cos you and maybe Snooze are the only friends I have had on FG. I speak with Lady J every day so I am not including her. I’ve done a bit of thinking since Sunday and have decided to exit FG probably permanently this time.
I really had no idea of just how much hatred and spite was being harboured against me by Spot & Ms. Koan. I’m not an egit so of course I’ve known for many years that both of them dislike me intensely, but the real extent of their hatred for me has only really “kicked in” now.
So today I figured: “WTF, this is just a Social Forum and there must be a gazillion others like it in this big playground we call the Internet. So why the Hades should I remain locked into this atmosphere of hate, spite and venom that is continually produced by a couple of horrid people thousands of miles distant from me?”
“Why not hang in there and maybe stuff will change.” My heart says.
“Are you nuts?” My head replies. “Haters are always gonna hate no matter what.”
I’m not very comfortable being around people who continually emit negativity in any form whatever, be it thru hatred, spite or even sarcasm. I am not like that so I can’t operate in such an environment.
So I will quietly withdraw with a whimper and not a bang and entirely without regrets. The Garden was awesome in the good old days before most of the really active members were squeezed out by you know who.
I really wish I had your resolve, your chutzpah Oscar but I have not.
You now my e-mail address so you can contact me if and when you feel so inclined. I will decide in the next few days whether or not to delete my account. Maybe I won't which will drive Spot nuts cos he will be frantically checking every new member to see if its ‘ol Jj in drag!!! Also future members of FG will probably enjoy reading my posts (if they are not deleted of course.)
Keep well honey
Your Internet pal,
Jj aka The Chosen.
So please post this on FG in any form and in any way you want ... only just go post it ... Okay?
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Yes, that was JJ's message to me.
Hardly the off site campaign to run Koan off the forum as hysterically stated In the green room eh ?
Hardly the off site campaign to run Koan off the forum as hysterically stated In the green room eh ?
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Lordy lordy :wah: out with a whimper?? :-3:yh_rotfl
The drama King has left the building apparently, but is still managing the stage from behind the scenes :-2
The drama King has left the building apparently, but is still managing the stage from behind the scenes :-2
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Betty Boop;1400974 wrote: Lordy lordy :wah: out with a whimper?? :-3:yh_rotfl
The drama King has left the building apparently, but is still managing the stage from behind the scenes :-2
Is this the Betty Boop who posted a thread complaining about the bickering on FG yet continued to bicker with Jones. When questioned as to the hypcrisy, you wrote " It's ok, me and JJ go way back'..... so that's alright then.
You had a problem with JJ... yeah we got It Betty.... A very long time ago.
Yet you continue to Insult him after his leaving.
The drama King has left the building apparently, but is still managing the stage from behind the scenes :-2
Is this the Betty Boop who posted a thread complaining about the bickering on FG yet continued to bicker with Jones. When questioned as to the hypcrisy, you wrote " It's ok, me and JJ go way back'..... so that's alright then.
You had a problem with JJ... yeah we got It Betty.... A very long time ago.
Yet you continue to Insult him after his leaving.
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Betty Boop;1400974 wrote: Lordy lordy :wah: out with a whimper?? :-3:yh_rotfl
The drama King has left the building apparently, but is still managing the stage from behind the scenes :-2
To an "outsider" this does appear to be the case
The drama King has left the building apparently, but is still managing the stage from behind the scenes :-2
To an "outsider" this does appear to be the case
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oscar;1400976 wrote: Is this the Betty Boop who posted a thread complaining about the bickering on FG yet continued to bicker with Jones. When questioned as to the hypcrisy, you wrote " It's ok, me and JJ go way back'..... so that's alright then.
You had a problem with JJ... yeah we got It Betty.... A very long time ago.
Yet you continue to Insult him after his leaving.
He's actually left now has he??
I've never bickered with jj, I've questioned the condescending manner in which he chooses to address me, which no one in real life would ever do to my face. I question the belittling way he speaks to women, like we're inferior. I question the way he singles out women on this site to befriend and then who he gets to stick up for him.
See, trouble is, that's a lot of what he did years ago, I was pleased to see him come back, thought he'd changed, but no, he still posts at people in the same old manner. At least two women got seriously hurt by jj in the past he's not remotely interested in posting with the men around here, just the women.
You are at another forum with him? Then go there and chat to him to your hearts content Oscar.
You had a problem with JJ... yeah we got It Betty.... A very long time ago.
Yet you continue to Insult him after his leaving.
He's actually left now has he??
I've never bickered with jj, I've questioned the condescending manner in which he chooses to address me, which no one in real life would ever do to my face. I question the belittling way he speaks to women, like we're inferior. I question the way he singles out women on this site to befriend and then who he gets to stick up for him.
See, trouble is, that's a lot of what he did years ago, I was pleased to see him come back, thought he'd changed, but no, he still posts at people in the same old manner. At least two women got seriously hurt by jj in the past he's not remotely interested in posting with the men around here, just the women.
You are at another forum with him? Then go there and chat to him to your hearts content Oscar.
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LarsMac;1400938 wrote: While I am among those who enjoyed many of the threads he started, I found his style when responding to others to be a bit condescending and dismissive.
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
You could plug spot or koan's name in that first sentence and it would still be accurate.
I can see where some took offense.
I don't really understand why folks cannot just ignore those posters they don't like though.
You could plug spot or koan's name in that first sentence and it would still be accurate.
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Betty Boop;1400979 wrote: He's actually left now has he??
I've never bickered with jj, I've questioned the condescending manner in which he chooses to address me, which no one in real life would ever do to my face. I question the belittling way he speaks to women, like we're inferior. I question the way he singles out women on this site to befriend and then who he gets to stick up for him.
See, trouble is, that's a lot of what he did years ago, I was pleased to see him come back, thought he'd changed, but no, he still posts at people in the same old manner. At least two women got seriously hurt by jj in the past he's not remotely interested in posting with the men around here, just the women.
You are at another forum with him? Then go there and chat to him to your hearts content Oscar.
So you're now using this thread as an excuse to slate the man In public because he's not likely to come at you himself. Hmmmmmm
You're not getting It are you?
It's not about what he may or may not have done In the past. We only have your word for that. If It Is true, then Bryn allowing JJ to return here should have just been left at that and he should have been allowed to post without you constantly harping on about the past. He has actually apologised repeatedly for any hurt he caused as Carla testified recently.... why could you never just leave It at that.?
It's about fairness. If you are going to hysterically react to a tongue In cheek response to Insults In a thread, then the Initial attacks should have been jumped on. If Bryn has allowed a member to return and post, then you don't turn a blind eye to a blatent personal attack In the thread I linked just because It's JJ who Is the target and oh by the way, he used to be a bit of a s.hit. As Snooze posted In the green room, the wrong person was Infracted.
Don't whine about bickering and then continue to bicker with a member because It's OK, we go way back.
I've never bickered with jj, I've questioned the condescending manner in which he chooses to address me, which no one in real life would ever do to my face. I question the belittling way he speaks to women, like we're inferior. I question the way he singles out women on this site to befriend and then who he gets to stick up for him.
See, trouble is, that's a lot of what he did years ago, I was pleased to see him come back, thought he'd changed, but no, he still posts at people in the same old manner. At least two women got seriously hurt by jj in the past he's not remotely interested in posting with the men around here, just the women.
You are at another forum with him? Then go there and chat to him to your hearts content Oscar.
So you're now using this thread as an excuse to slate the man In public because he's not likely to come at you himself. Hmmmmmm
You're not getting It are you?
It's not about what he may or may not have done In the past. We only have your word for that. If It Is true, then Bryn allowing JJ to return here should have just been left at that and he should have been allowed to post without you constantly harping on about the past. He has actually apologised repeatedly for any hurt he caused as Carla testified recently.... why could you never just leave It at that.?
It's about fairness. If you are going to hysterically react to a tongue In cheek response to Insults In a thread, then the Initial attacks should have been jumped on. If Bryn has allowed a member to return and post, then you don't turn a blind eye to a blatent personal attack In the thread I linked just because It's JJ who Is the target and oh by the way, he used to be a bit of a s.hit. As Snooze posted In the green room, the wrong person was Infracted.
Don't whine about bickering and then continue to bicker with a member because It's OK, we go way back.
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oscar;1400985 wrote: So you're now using this thread as an excuse to slate the man In public because he's not likely to come at you himself. Hmmmmmm
You're not getting It are you?
It's not about what he may or may not have done In the past. We only have your word for that. If It Is true, then Bryn allowing JJ to return here should have just been left at that and he should have been allowed to post without you constantly harping on about the past. He has actually apologised repeatedly for any hurt he caused as Carla testified recently.... why could you never just leave It at that.?
It's about fairness. If you are going to hysterically react to a tongue In cheek response to Insults In a thread, then the Initial attacks should have been jumped on. If Bryn has allowed a member to return and post, then you don't turn a blind eye to a blatent personal attack In the thread I linked just because It's JJ who Is the target and oh by the way, he used to be a bit of a s.hit. As Snooze posted In the green room, the wrong person was Infracted.
Don't whine about bickering and then continue to bicker with a member because It's OK, we go way back.
For the record, for those not able to see what my reaction to the infraction was it was as follows
Right, the only thing I find offensive in that post is where jj rather arrogantly refers to himself as 'the chosen'. I can't see anything else that warrants an infraction to be honest.
not the picture you like to paint, and embellish. I find it offensive in what he chooses to call himself, but putting my own personal offence aside I found no reason why he should have been infracted.
What doesn't help him in anyway shape or form is his behaviour since, playing the victim, shouting out in another thread instead of waiting for the other members to come on board and deal with matters. Getting other people to post on his behalf, it's called manipulation, however much you want to call it speaking out for fairness.
You're not getting It are you?
It's not about what he may or may not have done In the past. We only have your word for that. If It Is true, then Bryn allowing JJ to return here should have just been left at that and he should have been allowed to post without you constantly harping on about the past. He has actually apologised repeatedly for any hurt he caused as Carla testified recently.... why could you never just leave It at that.?
It's about fairness. If you are going to hysterically react to a tongue In cheek response to Insults In a thread, then the Initial attacks should have been jumped on. If Bryn has allowed a member to return and post, then you don't turn a blind eye to a blatent personal attack In the thread I linked just because It's JJ who Is the target and oh by the way, he used to be a bit of a s.hit. As Snooze posted In the green room, the wrong person was Infracted.
Don't whine about bickering and then continue to bicker with a member because It's OK, we go way back.
For the record, for those not able to see what my reaction to the infraction was it was as follows
Right, the only thing I find offensive in that post is where jj rather arrogantly refers to himself as 'the chosen'. I can't see anything else that warrants an infraction to be honest.
not the picture you like to paint, and embellish. I find it offensive in what he chooses to call himself, but putting my own personal offence aside I found no reason why he should have been infracted.
What doesn't help him in anyway shape or form is his behaviour since, playing the victim, shouting out in another thread instead of waiting for the other members to come on board and deal with matters. Getting other people to post on his behalf, it's called manipulation, however much you want to call it speaking out for fairness.
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Betty Boop;1400990 wrote: For the record, for those not able to see what my reaction to the infraction was it was as follows
not the picture you like to paint, and embellish. I find it offensive in what he chooses to call himself, but putting my own personal offence aside I found no reason why he should have been infracted.
What doesn't help him in anyway shape or form is his behaviour since, playing the victim, shouting out in another thread instead of waiting for the other members to come on board and deal with matters. Getting other people to post on his behalf, it's called manipulation, however much you want to call it speaking out for fairness. Yes, that was your post In the green room but It Is not a fair representation of what else you have posted abut Jones.
As for manipulation, why do you think I never posted his message here?
The rest of your post Is merely your view and the way you choose to view the situation. To continue to spew the ' JJ does this, JJ did that' Is like a cracked record.... yeah, you don't like JJ... we get It.
JJ doesn't like you Betty..... maybe that's the real Issue here eh?
;);)
not the picture you like to paint, and embellish. I find it offensive in what he chooses to call himself, but putting my own personal offence aside I found no reason why he should have been infracted.
What doesn't help him in anyway shape or form is his behaviour since, playing the victim, shouting out in another thread instead of waiting for the other members to come on board and deal with matters. Getting other people to post on his behalf, it's called manipulation, however much you want to call it speaking out for fairness. Yes, that was your post In the green room but It Is not a fair representation of what else you have posted abut Jones.
As for manipulation, why do you think I never posted his message here?
The rest of your post Is merely your view and the way you choose to view the situation. To continue to spew the ' JJ does this, JJ did that' Is like a cracked record.... yeah, you don't like JJ... we get It.
JJ doesn't like you Betty..... maybe that's the real Issue here eh?
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:-5 Oy Vay es Mir! :-5
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AnneBoleyn;1400992 wrote: :-5 Oy Vay es Mir! :-5
I guess we all can't get along
Don't worry about it, it's just the foreigners.:wah::sneaky:
I guess we all can't get along
Don't worry about it, it's just the foreigners.:wah::sneaky:
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Then I'm an isolationist.
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Some of you guys really enjoy a fight. I mean really enjoy it ... to the point that you can't (or won't) let anything slide. I mean anything. Of course the worst of you are right now trying to think of that one or two instances where you might have said less than you could have, so that would make me completely wrong, and are cooking up justification for every fight you were in and every slight that justified it. Yes you can list them all, can't you? Because you keep score.