No Indictment In Michael Brown shooting

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:49 am

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Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:51 am

Bruv;1468751 wrote: I went along with you until the phrase " Totally righteous".......totally righteous people in a half decent world don't normally gun down bully bad boys.

They would if the boy was punching them in the face and trying to get their gun to kill them.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:53 am

Saint_;1468755 wrote: They would if the boy was punching them in the face and trying to get their gun to kill them.

Ok, but then Brown ran away. I was suspicious of the cop using the words "He looked like a demon". Not professional talk now is it? Is Wilson acquainted with demons?

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:53 am

AnneBoleyn;1468754 wrote:

According to the physical evidence, Brown had slammed the door on the officer as her tried to get out and was hitting him through the window. I saw the bruises on his face, Brown definitely did it and to question that fact, you question twelve other men and women's best judgement who had access to more evidence than you do. You call them all liars. They believed the evidence and I believe them.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:54 am

AnneBoleyn;1468756 wrote: Ok, but then Brown ran away. I was suspicious of the cop using the words "He looked like a demon". Not professional talk now is it? Is Wilson acquainted with demons?

Did you watch the video? He displayed some of that same behavior at the end of it when he turned around and threatened the shopkeeper. He did it once, he did it again.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:54 am

Saint_;1468757 wrote: According to the physical evidence, Brown had slammed the door on the officer as her tried to get out and was hitting him through the window. I saw the bruises on his face, Brown definitely did it and to question that fact, you question twelve other men and women's best judgement who had access to more evidence than you do. You call them all liars. They believed the evidence and I believe them.

Where did I call them liars? Aren't you getting just a tad overheated?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:55 am

Saint_;1468758 wrote: Did you watch the video? He displayed some of that same behavior at the end of it when he turned around and threatened the shopkeeper. He did it once, he did it again.

That video had nothing to do with Darryl Wilson, who at the time had not seen it.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:00 am

AnneBoleyn;1468759 wrote: Where did I call them liars? Aren't you getting just a tad overheated?

Not at all. The cartoon you posted showed Brown far away from the car and made the suggestion that there was no way he could get at the officer's gun without having a ten foot arm. The jury found that the blood evidence inside the car showed that Brown had attacked the officer while he was still in his car. I assumed that you posted that cartoon because you believed its message. That message called the jury liars, therefore you called the jury liars.

If you did not believe in the cartoon you posted, why did you post it? Were you being sarcastic?

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:28 am

AnneBoleyn;1468760 wrote: That video had nothing to do with Darryl Wilson, who at the time had not seen it.

And it had everything to do with Brown and the kind of person he was. The kind of person that would walk down the middle of the street blocking traffic, refuse to come over to an officer's car when called, slam the door on an officer when he was getting out, punch him through his window in the face multiple times, reach in and try to get his gun and call him "too much of a p***y to shoot me." Brown walked away when the gun he was grabbing went off and shot him in the hand. That should have been enough for him to leave completely, but it is VERY telling that he was such a thug and hood, and so violent and aggressive (demonically so) that he would actually come back and try to attack the officer again. Remember: Brown was NOT shot in the back! He was advancing on the officer again, to finish the job of beating and killing him.

Stop making excuses for the guy, Anne. Do you really believe ANY of Brown's actions that day were reasonable and defensible? Robbing? Intimidating, Assaulting multiple people? Brown was a criminal who got exactly what he was asking for, end of story. Race had absolutely nothing to do with it other than being a lame excuse for people who won't take personal responsibility for their actions.

We have a saying in our area, "Goes around, comes around." When you act like a bully and jerk to people, when you steal, fight, and lie, well bad things just seem to come your way. (It works in the other direction too.)

Don't want the police to shoot you? Great, come over when they call you, don't lie to them, and really don't attack them.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:36 am

Saint_;1468763 wrote: And it had everything to do with Brown and the kind of person he was. The kind of person that would walk down the middle of the street blocking traffic, refuse to come over to an officer's car when called, slam the door on an officer when he was getting out, punch him through his window in the face multiple times, reach in and try to get his gun and call him "too much of a p***y to shoot me." Brown walked away when the gun he was grabbing went off and shot him in the hand. That should have been enough for him to leave completely, but it is VERY telling that he was such a thug and hood, and so violent and aggressive (demonically so) that he would actually come back and try to attack the officer again. Remember: Brown was NOT shot in the back! He was advancing on the officer again, to finish the job of beating and killing him.

Stop making excuses for the guy, Anne. Do you really believe ANY of Brown's actions that day were reasonable and defensible? Robbing? Intimidating, Assaulting multiple people? Brown was a criminal who got exactly what he was asking for, end of story. Race had absolutely nothing to do with it other than being a lame excuse for people who won't take personal responsibility for their actions.

You make way too much of too little.

The street they were walking had no traffic, other than the police car.

You should read the testimony of the witnesses.

And if being stupid warrants execution, we shouldn't have a population problem on the planet.

Besides, the "Robbery" was on film, and the store owner knew who Brown was. He wasn't going anywhere, and could have been apprehended and dealt with any time.

Saint_;1468763 wrote:

We have a saying in our area, "Goes around, comes around." When you act like a bully and jerk to people, when you steal, fight, and lie, well bad things just seem to come your way. (It works in the other direction too.)

Don't want the police to shoot you? Great, come over when they call you, don't lie to them, and really don't attack them.

I grew up where most of the police were decent people, but there were several who were mean, and often bullied young and poor people. I have no particular respect for "the Policeman" He is human, like the rest of us, and if he treats me with respect, I shall do likewise. If he disrespects me, he will get the same in return. When I was young I took a beating or two for that kind of attitude, and spent a few nights in jail because of it. You learn to treat them more like a dangerous animal - like a Grizzly, or the like - and not to antagonize them. That does not make them always in the right.

I repeat, There were at least two young men being a little stupid, that day. Unfortunately for one, the other had a gun. and the event ruined both their lives.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:57 pm

Saint_:"If you did not believe in the cartoon you posted, why did you post it? Were you being sarcastic?"

I was just pointing out that Brown was about 10 feet away from Wilson for the fatal shot.

The physical evidence in the Michael Brown case supported the officer [updated with DNA evidence] - The Washington Post

I do wonder about Wilson, however. Saying Brown looked like a 'Demon' was a poor choice of words for a professional officer. Makes me question the kind of man Wilson is.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:01 pm

LarsMac;1468765 wrote: You make way too much of too little.

The street they were walking had no traffic, other than the police car.

and?

LarsMac;1468765 wrote: You should read the testimony of the witnesses.

Contradiction and confusion.

LarsMac;1468765 wrote: And if being stupid warrants execution,

A little overboard there?

LarsMac;1468765 wrote: we shouldn't have a population problem on the planet.

Besides the point it is not clear to me there is an population problem on the planet, I would say Darwinism is the concept you are looking for.

LarsMac;1468765 wrote: Besides, the "Robbery" was on film, and the store owner knew who Brown was. He wasn't going anywhere, and could have been apprehended and dealt with any time.

Totally irrelevant.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:06 pm

The claims, as are always made at such times that "he was such a good boy" are immediately scuppered by the irrefutable evidence of his being responsible for an armed robbery immeditely beforehand. No, the fact that he committed this robbery may not have any relevance to the issue in hand, that is, as an independant act. However, it does prove that he was not the sainted "would never do anyone any harm" type his friends & family (obviously with biased views) were portraying him as. Furthermore, having performed the robbery only a matter of minutes beforehand, he was bound to have been on an adrenalin high to start with, and any encounter with a Police Officer would have been a pre-emptive assault just waiting to happen.

Really, I don't get what hte big deal is. How many other violent criminals, regardless of colour, are gunned down in America every day? Come to that, how many Police Officers are gunned down in the course of carrying out their duty every day? And how many innocent Civillians are gunned down by Criminal Opportunists every day? Taking all that into consideration, what's the big deal about just one more? Another pebble on the beach.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:46 am

Another pebble on the beach.
Just another headline to peruse as you drink your morning coffee ?

Unless of course you are the persons mother, father, brother, sister, wife, girlfriend, grandmother, grandfather..............you get what I mean ?

Some articles......to peruse over your morning coffee....Twice a week 5,000 civilian's deaths

Big beach ?

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:44 am

tude dog;1468799 wrote:

Totally irrelevant.

That says it all.

Context, my dear fellow. Context.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:03 am

Bruv;1468804 wrote: Just another headline to peruse as you drink your morning coffee ?

Unless of course you are the persons mother, father, brother, sister, wife, girlfriend, grandmother, grandfather..............you get what I mean ?

Some articles......to peruse over your morning coffee....Twice a week 5,000 civilian's deaths

Big beach ?

When I read such a claim like it’s estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Americans are killed by police officers each year. , it is not going good for the smell test.

Got me curious.

According to FBI Justifiable Homicide

by Weapon, Law Enforcement,1 2006–2010

Total 1963 total

Average 393 per year.

A lot?

Now consider

Justifiable Homicide

by Weapon, Private Citizen,1 2006–2010

1 The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen.

Total 1304

Average 261 per year

Police full time kill only a third more criminals than civilians not tasked to enforce law.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:09 am

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Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:24 am

tude dog;1468812 wrote: . . .

Only 750 of the nation's 17,000-plus law enforcement agencies contribute data to the FBI's justifiable homicide database......................

The .... would be better as ???......no?

And.....even the statistics quoted are d-e-a-t-h-s not statistics, blood and gore, not figures on a page, tears and grief, and too many in a supposedly advanced nation.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:56 am

Well, I think It's disgusting that parents should have to worry every time their son goes out and robs a store.

That's Irony btw

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:13 pm

Oscar Namechange;1468815 wrote: Well, I think It's disgusting that parents should have to worry every time their son goes out and robs a store.

That's Irony btw

Duhhh, well of course it is.

I doubt his parents knew anything of the sort.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:16 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468834 wrote: Duhhh, well of course it is.

I doubt his parents knew anything of the sort. For me, It's Irony... For this Insane woman, It's a reality

LIBERAL CHICK: 'No Mother Shood Have To Fear For Her Son's Life Every Time He Robs A Store' | Doug Giles | #ClashDaily

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:44 pm

Oscar Namechange;1468835 wrote: For me, It's Irony... For this Insane woman, It's a reality

LIBERAL CHICK: 'No Mother Shood Have To Fear For Her Son's Life Every Time He Robs A Store' | Doug Giles | #ClashDaily

What THIS one ?

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:10 pm

Bruv;1468814 wrote: Only 750 of the nation's 17,000-plus law enforcement agencies contribute data to the FBI's justifiable homicide database......................

The .... would be better as ???......no?

Thank you as I did wonder just how complete the stats were.

At least they are real numbers, not something somebody just made up.

Bruv;1468814 wrote: And.....even the statistics quoted are d-e-a-t-h-s not statistics, blood and gore, not figures on a page, tears and grief, and too many in a supposedly advanced nation.

I'm out of tears.

Trying to work with facts here.

I really hate conspiracies, but why the sudden attack on black youth by police?

Taking a thug like Brown and making him a martyr to me is beyond my comprehension.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:17 pm

Bruv;1468843 wrote: What THIS one ?

That's great.

Thanks for sharing that.:guitarist

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:22 pm

tude dog;1468851 wrote:

I really hate conspiracies, but why the sudden attack on black youth by police?

Have you been hiding in a cave? There is nothing sudden about this, this has always been this way. And why are you saying 'attack' when you think the victims are not victims but thugs?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:28 pm

Tude, give this a read:

The Science of Why Cops Shoot Young Black Men | Mother Jones

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:31 pm

tude dog;1468851 wrote:

I'm out of tears.

Trying to work with facts here.

Then you are beyond help.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:26 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468834 wrote: Duhhh, well of course it is.

I doubt his parents knew anything of the sort.

Parents, or at least mothers tend to have a less that realistic view of their children.

One of my sister-in-laws has not spoken to me in years because I told her that her son stole a radio and parts from a classic car I was rebuilding. (I caught him trying to sell the radio to a friend of mine.) She never believed the kid was ever wrong, even after he was sentenced to 10 years in the State Pen for trafficking drugs.

Michael Brown's mother still lives in that same fantasy.

Even closer to home, my mother never believed the stuff I was doing when I was young, either. But then, I never encountered a trigger-happy cop, so I managed to grow up. (eventually)

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:15 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468854 wrote: Have you been hiding in a cave? There is nothing sudden about this, this has always been this way.

Where were the headlines, riot and pontifications from the occupant in the White House and attack dog holder?

AnneBoleyn;1468854 wrote: And why are you saying 'attack' when you think the victims are not victims but thugs?

Just calling them as I see them.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:19 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468856 wrote: Tude, give this a read:

The Science of Why Cops Shoot Young Black Men | Mother Jones

I gave it a glance and realized life is just too short.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:21 pm

Bruv;1468876 wrote: Then you are beyond help.

No help needed here. Everything is under control.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:26 pm

tude dog;1468887 wrote: Where were the headlines, riot and pontifications from the occupant in the White House and attack dog holder?

Just calling them as I see them.

There were no headlines because black lives held little importance to the media. Your memory is very short.

You said "attack"; I suppose now you were just being your sarcastic self.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:27 pm

tude dog;1468888 wrote: I gave it a glance and realized life is just too short.

Fine, you should read what interests you, like remaining ignorant of the question you yourself posed.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:05 pm

As Bill Maher says, some people are very comfy in the Bubble.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:39 am

LarsMac;1468898 wrote: As Bill Maher says, some people are very comfy in the Bubble.

Or the other bloke......Michael Jackson........."I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror (Ooh!) I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways "

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:14 pm

Oscar Namechange;1468815 wrote: Well, I think It's disgusting that parents should have to worry every time their son goes out and robs a store.

That's Irony btw

Reminds me of an experience a nephew told me.

Just so in apperance happens he favors his Mom, Spanish/Italian.

High School age he is walking down the street a car pulls up,

"Who are you with?" or some such thing.

There is no answer to that, they were testing him.

In my day it was "greaser or a surfer".

There is no answer.

Back in my day I had a chance to fight.

Shockingly enough, I didn't even carry a knife.

Looking back, often wondered about the knife decision.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:24 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468854 wrote: Have you been hiding in a cave? There is nothing sudden about this, this has always been this way.

I am not going to apologize that the main stream media , or other sources I get new from do not report riots.

AnneBoleyn;1468854 wrote: And why are you saying 'attack' when you think the victims are not victims but thugs?

If you do not want to accept the fact that this Micheal Brown was nothing less than a monster, then really, not much more to discuss.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:00 pm

LarsMac;1468898 wrote: As Bill Maher says, some people are very comfy in the Bubble.

I have no problem with Bill Mahr.

You got something to say, come out.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:40 am

I didn't know Michael Brown & don't know if he were a "monster." Darryl Wilson said MB looked like a "demon"----which is it, monster or demon? I reserve those words for people like Bernie Madoff & Hitler. You, apparently, have a much lower threshold. Would you call him a monster had he been white? White people commit crimes too, I think I heard that.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:07 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468994 wrote: I didn't know Michael Brown & don't know if he were a "monster." Darryl Wilson said MB looked like a "demon"----which is it, monster or demon? I reserve those words for people like Bernie Madoff & Hitler. You, apparently, have a much lower threshold. Would you call him a monster had he been white? White people commit crimes too, I think I heard that.

Bernie Madoff monster?

I and no stranger to corporate crooks. The Mrs and I lost our jobs, along with a thousand or so others due to crooks.

The Mrs went on to work for Countrywide Finicial. Mr. Mozilo, the co-founder and former chief executive of Countrywide Financial, has largely escaped accountability for his outsize role in the mortgage crisis. But he may soon face a civil lawsuit from the Justice Department, according to news reports last week.

I don't know how much money we lost in her stock options. At least she spent some of it.

Moving on, we lost money, but were not shot or banged over the head. No broken bones. No future threats.

You can put your race card away. It is people's actions which matter. Not skin color.

So you don't like my use of the word monster. It is just I am tired repeating thug. Monster wasn't a perfect choice, but technically workable. Anyway, I went to find alternatives.

barbarous beast

uncivilized animal

"malevolent identity" Watching an old episode of Star Trek Next Generation

This could be fun. Gotta keep that link to Thesaurus.com

Long story short, not somebody I would want to be near.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:15 pm

Gee..I wish a black cop would shoot a white kid. I never get any chances around here to burn, loot, pillage, or riot and I could use some free Christmas gifts...

#sarcasm

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:09 pm

I never saw this side of you before, Saint_. Why so angry?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:12 pm

TD: "You can put your race card away. It is people's actions which matter. Not skin color."

You are right, It is people's actions which matter, not skin color. BUT I don't play the race card & you do.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:32 pm

AnneBoleyn;1469024 wrote: I never saw this side of you before, Saint_. Why so angry?

I have a strong sense of right and wrong. To me, Brown was a criminal. I abhor that people are trying to make him into a martyr.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:58 pm

Saint_;1469029 wrote: I have a strong sense of right and wrong. To me, Brown was a criminal. I abhor that people are trying to make him into a martyr.

I find it a bit hard to swallow, too. It is happening because there are enough people who don't believe Wilson's story.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:01 am

Saint_;1469029 wrote: I have a strong sense of right and wrong. To me, Brown was a criminal. I abhor that people are trying to make him into a martyr.
Ditto.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:55 am

You mean What's Right or Wrong---To YOU. Not disagreeing with you, just Reminding You, you are not the arbiter of right & wrong.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:46 pm

AnneBoleyn;1469025 wrote: TD: "You can put your race card away. It is people's actions which matter. Not skin color."

You are right, It is people's actions which matter, not skin color. BUT I don't play the race card & you do.

Other than pointing out the obvious, race hustlers, race riots. Politics concerning race, etc.

I never questioned another member of this forum with a question like " Would you call him a monster had he been white? White people commit crimes too, I think I heard that."

I try to speak openly.

Fortunately from the comfort of my chair, on a computer. Not face to face with strangers.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:50 pm

I have no idea what your point is.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:28 pm

AnneBoleyn;1468754 wrote:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/attac ... lcaraz.jpg

The sad sad thing in your lil meme is....Mike Browns blood was inside officer Wilson's car and on his gun...

Looks like your the one REACHING here...

A little link to the FACTS:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014 ... .html?_r=0