Texas pool party

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:20 am

What another shocker from the land afraid of its own shadow ?

Compliant boys and teen aged girls with obviously nowhere to secrete weapons.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:17 am

What an OTT reaction by those gun-happy cops. Where are those kids going to hide guns ? I would think it a little difficult when all a kid is wearing is a bikini or a pair of shorts. I'd like to know why the cops were there in the first place. Did somebody complain about noise ?

I felt disgusted that one of those cops was rather viscious in the way he handled one of those girls, and to draw a gun on those youngsters was ridiculous IMO. It seems to me that America is gradually losing it's law and order, and it is not helped by the roughness of the cops who cannot or will not differentiate between high spirited youth (male or female ) , and genuine threat.

I sincerely hope that the UK refrains from arming our police force as a general practice.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:24 am

G#Gill;1480366 wrote: What an OTT reaction by those gun-happy cops. Where are those kids going to hide guns ? I would think it a little difficult when all a kid is wearing is a bikini or a pair of shorts. I'd like to know why the cops were there in the first place. Did somebody complain about noise ?

I felt disgusted that one of those cops was rather viscious in the way he handled one of those girls, and to draw a gun on those youngsters was ridiculous IMO. It seems to me that America is gradually losing it's law and order, and it is not helped by the roughness of the cops who cannot or will not differentiate between high spirited youth (male or female ) , and genuine threat.

I sincerely hope that the UK refrains from arming our police force as a general practice.

Saw a blurb on this on the news. No idea what it was all about. That one cop needs to be sent on vacation for a while. He was just being crazy.

Guy talk to my kids or grandkids like that, he would need some physical therapy.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:44 am

This, according to Youtube is why the Police were called.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:48 am

So two women were fighting, for some reason, and Cops got called over that?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:33 pm

LarsMac;1480382 wrote: So two women were fighting, for some reason, and Cops got called over that?

The police would be expected to respond in the UK for such a public display

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:45 pm

Bruv;1480386 wrote: The police would be expected to respond in the UK for such a public display
Happens all the time round here. No big deal. Just a little cat fight.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:14 pm

FourPart;1480389 wrote: Happens all the time round here. No big deal. Just a little cat fight.

Them cats ain't little.

Somebody could'a got hurt.

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:50 pm

Yes, but I think that waving a gun around isn't appropriate for the "threat level", TBH. Suppose that gun had gone off? Hey presto, another huge riot!

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:14 pm

It will be interesting when we find out what really was going on.

I suspect the MSM is playing this up.

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:22 pm

tude dog;1480402 wrote: It will be interesting when we find out what really was going on.

I suspect the MSM is playing this up.

Would they do that?

whatever else it was about, that one cop seemed just a bit too over the top. I don't know why he was so excited. There was simply no call for his behavior. And pulling a gun on a bunch of kids?

And, yes, the recordings do suggest he was being a little tougher towards the black kids than the others. Could be just the focus on the one guy. We don't see what the other cops were doing.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:17 pm

LarsMac;1480403 wrote: Would they do that?

ratings?

Another chapter of the white cop vs. black narrative?

Post by **LarsMac** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:24 pm

tude dog;1480404 wrote: ratings?

Another chapter of the white cop vs. black narrative?

Well, I am sure that some people will make it about that. And maybe there was something to that. I dunno. Not enough data to draw conclusions.

But if that guy treats everybody like that, he needs to get a job as a bus driver, or TSA agent, or something useful.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:39 am

tude dog;1480404 wrote: ratings?

Another chapter of the white cop vs. black narrative?

MSM ?

Have you any ideas as to what the young bikini clad girl could have said to warrant being upturned and knelt on by an armed 'Law enforcement' officer.........are talking of that narrative ?

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:41 am

Bruv;1480411 wrote: MSM ?

Have you any ideas as to what the young bikini clad girl could have said to warrant being upturned and knelt on by an armed 'Law enforcement' officer.........are talking of that narrative ?

Oh, well, she was obviously a criminal. She probably had an AK-47 hidden in her swimsuit. She had it coming, I'm sure.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:57 am

LarsMac;1480413 wrote: Oh, well, she was obviously a criminal. She probably had an AK-47 hidden in her swimsuit. She had it coming, I'm sure.

She would have been okay at the Atlanta airport.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:13 am

LarsMac;1480413 wrote: Oh, well, she was obviously a criminal. She probably had an AK-47 hidden in her swimsuit. She had it coming, I'm sure.

Maybe he just wanted to cop a feel.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:25 am

I saw this one on FaceBook today, which reminded me very much of this...

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 9771,d.d24

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:37 am

That one was pretty mobile for being on a mobility scooter.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:32 pm

FourPart;1480418 wrote: I saw this one on FaceBook today, which reminded me very much of this...

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 9771,d.d24

Where were the staff ?

Where were the concerned citizens ?

That went on far too long with no intervention to be healthy.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:34 pm

Bruv;1480432 wrote: Where were the staff ?

Where were the concerned citizens ?

That went on far too long with no intervention to be healthy.
The concerned citizens were too busy filming it with their mobile phones.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:31 pm

Bruv;1480432 wrote:

Where were the concerned citizens ?

That went on far too long with no intervention to be healthy.

What the heck you talking about?

Another full scale riot?

If I were around a bunch of animals running wild my first instinct would to go away.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:34 pm

tude dog;1480458 wrote: What the heck you talking about?

Another full scale riot?

If I were around a bunch of animals running wild my first instinct would to go away.

I think he is referring to the Walmart incident

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:00 pm

LarsMac;1480459 wrote: I think he is referring to the Walmart incident

Thank you.

Where were the staff ?

Where were the concerned citizens ?

That went on far too long with no intervention to be healthy.

Call 911. Be a good witness. Better yet call 911, walk away.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:15 pm

tude dog;1480462 wrote: Thank you.

Call 911. Be a good witness. Better yet call 911, walk away.

Two people having a wrestling match seems a tad trivial for 911.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:28 pm

LarsMac;1480463 wrote: Two people having a wrestling match seems a tad trivial for 911.

Wrestling match?

Most wrestling matches are not held in the aisles of department stores and involve a minor child. Not to mention destruction of property.

Do you carry the phone number of the non-emergency of the local constable?

Not me, even for the county I live.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:51 pm

LarsMac;1480463 wrote: Two people having a wrestling match seems a tad trivial for 911.

What if it escalates & someone really gets hurt?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:53 pm

FourPart;1480433 wrote: The concerned citizens were too busy filming it with their mobile phones.

Those phones have become quite handy as a visual witness, exposing many truths. Also, I wouldn't advise a do-gooder getting him/herself in the midst of the action, trying to break it up. I lost a good friend that way.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:08 pm

tude dog;1480458 wrote: What the heck you talking about?

Another full scale riot?

If I were around a bunch of animals running wild my first instinct would to go away.

I truly despair for your wonderful country.

A couple of women roll about pulling each other's hair and nobody raises a voice let alone pulls them apart. The only intervention is another female voice urging an aggressive frightened young boy not to kick.

The fear that somebody may have a gun stops anybody acting decently.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:13 pm

More on the Texas pool party HERE

And MORE

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:16 pm

AnneBoleyn;1480469 wrote: Those phones have become quite handy as a visual witness, exposing many truths. Also, I wouldn't advise a do-gooder getting him/herself in the midst of the action, trying to break it up. I lost a good friend that way.

First of all, sad to hear about your friend.

I regard it foolish to intervene considering the liability of your actions.

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:26 pm

Bruv;1480474 wrote: I truly despair for your wonderful country.

A couple of women roll about pulling each other's hair and nobody raises a voice let alone pulls them apart. The only intervention is another female voice urging an aggressive frightened young boy not to kick.

The fear that somebody may have a gun stops anybody acting decently.

Guns do figure quite significantly in U.S. crime, and I would tend to agree that the fear that someone might just "pull a gun" on you and shoot must be a deterrent to anyone thinking of trying to de-fuse a situation. I still say that the cop should not have been so keen to wave his gun around. I was always taught NEVER to draw a gun OR knife unless you intend to USE it for the purpose it was made. By drawing a gun or knife, you are taking an action which could be mistaken for a statement of intent.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:31 pm

Bruv;1480474 wrote: I truly despair for your wonderful country.

A couple of women roll about pulling each other's hair and nobody raises a voice let alone pulls them apart.

Correct me if I am wrong, seems there were voices. In that situation, the LAST thing I would do is get involved.

Bruv;1480474 wrote: The only intervention is another female voice urging an aggressive frightened young boy not to kick.

Bruv;1480474 wrote: The fear that somebody may have a gun stops anybody acting decently.

What is decent in that situation? Getting hurt, sued?

Over a wrestling match ?

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:43 pm

tude dog;1480478 wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, seems there were voices. In that situation, the LAST thing I would do is get involved.

What is decent in that situation? Getting hurt, sued?

Over a wrestling match ?

Fear of guns, fear of injury, fear of litigation! No wonder people do nothing. It's getting like that here, at times. And it's not going to get better anytime soon. High time for a "house-clean", methinks!

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:55 pm

Bruv;1480474 wrote: I truly despair for your wonderful country.

So do I. Also for myself & my offspring, both present & future progeny.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:55 pm

Heard about this briefly the day of the event.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:58 pm

tude dog;1480476 wrote: First of all, sad to hear about your friend.

I regard it foolish to intervene considering the liability of your actions.

This was a wonderful man, well-respected in his community. He had helped in similar situations before & no one ever turned on him to violently attack him. He was stabbed to death, a great shock to all who knew him. Thank you, TD.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:48 pm

AnneBoleyn;1480468 wrote: What if it escalates & someone really gets hurt?

That has always been a concern, of course, but you know, turning a personal argument into a criminal action seems a bit extreme.

Yes, somebody should have stepped in and broken that fight up. What is happening to us?

Calling the police should be a last resort.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:57 pm

Smaug;1480480 wrote: Fear of guns, fear of injury, fear of litigation! No wonder people do nothing. It's getting like that here, at times. And it's not going to get better anytime soon. High time for a "house-clean", methinks!

To me and the regular folk in that situation fear of guns would not enter the equation.

Getting hurt or sued would be a realistic concern.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:05 pm

LarsMac;1480485 wrote:

Yes, somebody should have stepped in and broken that fight up. What is happening to us?

Stick your neck out for what?

LarsMac;1480485 wrote: Calling the police should be a last resort.

Humm

Calling the people trained do deal with situations would seem prudent.

Not to mention they have legal protection.

Smaug · Post by **Smaug** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:43 pm

tude dog;1480486 wrote: To me and the regular folk in that situation fear of guns would not enter the equation.

Getting hurt or sued would be a realistic concern.

If I lived in the U.S. I think it would be a major concern of mine, with the preponderance of guns readily available "over the counter"!! Litigation would also concern me, but not nearly as much as being "popped" by some psycho with a "shooter".

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:03 am

I don't think I am brave or overly bold or very public spirited, but I think if I had come across those events I would have approached closely to the fracas and raised my voice loudly telling the ladies to stop, I hope that would do the trick, but if not I would try to separate them physically, hoping others might help too.

That is a normal human reaction, fearing legal action or firearms or even being hurting oneself would be something that came into mind after the event.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:34 am

So policemen are human and make mistakes like the rest of us...what a surprise. Apparently, the cop just came off some kind of suicide incident and was distressed. I also think the girl who came back three times after being told to leave had a big mouth and was being a stupid teenager. this kind of thing has gone on since time immemorial. It's just now that we can all see it the next day on video and make a big stinking deal about nothing. The cop is fired, the girl gets her fifteen minutes and I'm disgusted with our entire society.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:17 am

Saint_;1480496 wrote: So policemen are human and make mistakes like the rest of us...what a surprise. Apparently, the cop just came off some kind of suicide incident and was distressed. I also think the girl who came back three times after being told to leave had a big mouth and was being a stupid teenager. this kind of thing has gone on since time immemorial. It's just now that we can all see it the next day on video and make a big stinking deal about nothing. The cop is fired, the girl gets her fifteen minutes and I'm disgusted with our entire society.

Actually, the cop resigned. Don't know what led to his acting like that. He was obviously extremely stressed, and not completely in control of himself or the situation. Yes, cops are only human. And yes, they can make mistakes. But when they make mistakes, people often die, or are injured because of those mistakes. They have to meet a higher standard than the average citizen.

Those were teenagers. Teenagers often act stupidly. Shooting them is usually not the solution, as tempting as it may be, sometimes.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:47 am

LarsMac;1480497 wrote: Actually, the cop resigned.

Meh. Either way he lost his job over something stupid.

Don't know what led to his acting like that. He was obviously extremely stressed, and not completely in control of himself or the situation.

Apparently, he had just been through something really crazy. He said he debated whether he should even respond, but when he heard there was fighting, he decided to go.

Yes, cops are only human. And yes, they can make mistakes. But when they make mistakes, people often die, or are injured because of those mistakes. They have to meet a higher standard than the average citizen.

Agreed.

Those were teenagers. Teenagers often act stupidly. Shooting them is usually not the solution, as tempting as it may be, sometimes.

Also agreed. I noticed, though, that he never drew his gun until the big male teenager rushed him in a fighting stance from behind and startled him. Did you noticed that the two other officers who arrived right at that point? The officer reholstered his gun and sent them after the big kid. Interesting.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:48 am

Note to self: "reholstered" is not a word. Duh.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:03 am

Saint_;1480502 wrote: Note to self: "reholstered" is not a word. Duh.

Well, it passes spell-check

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:50 am

Smaug;1480488 wrote: If I lived in the U.S. I think it would be a major concern of mine, with the preponderance of guns readily available "over the counter"!! Litigation would also concern me, but not nearly as much as being "popped" by some psycho with a "shooter".

I find it interesting that where I live there is no problem to buying guns. At the same time we have virtually no crime which involves guns. In fact as of July 1 open carry/conceal of firearms will be legal throughout the state.

Somehow I do not expect to see blood flooding the streets.

Chicago has always had the most restrictive gun laws possible and the results Chicago shooting victims

Last updated June 11, 2015

YEARLY TOTALS

JAN. 1, 2015 - JUNE 11, 2015

1,046

shooting victims

JAN. 1, 2014 - DEC. 31, 2014

2,589

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Hey Jackass

I don't mean to pick on Chicago but it is the most stricking example of gun control laws having no effect.

Problem is gangs and drugs.

With all that said if I had an occasion to visit the Windy City, though wary not being involved in drugs etc. I would not expect any problem at all.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:56 am

tude dog;1480509 wrote: I find it interesting that where I live there is no problem to buying guns. At the same time we have virtually no crime which involves guns. In fact as of July 1 open carry/conceal of firearms will be legal throughout the state.

Somehow I do not expect to see blood flooding the streets.

Chicago has always had the most restrictive gun laws possible and the results Chicago shooting victims

Last updated June 11, 2015

Hey Jackass

I don't mean to pick on Chicago but it is the most stricking example of gun control laws having no effect.

Problem is gangs and drugs.

With all that said if I had an occasion to visit the Windy City, though wary not being involved in drugs etc. I would not expect any problem at all.

Likewise, I've been to Chicago numerous times, always unarmed, and Always left with my self intact.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:03 am

LarsMac;1480510 wrote: Likewise, I've been to Chicago numerous times, always unarmed, and Always left with my self intact.

If course your were unarmed. That was not your choice, unless you wanted to take the risk of going to jail.