anastrophe;446267 wrote: sadly, once again you've misconstrued what i've written, even when i made the post utterly over the top in pointing out that i was also STATING MY MIND.
i defy you or anyone else in this thread to point to a single sentence i've written in this thread where i've even hinted that i want to get rid of anyone, or censor anyone. go ahead. make me look like a chump. make yourself look like a hero for showing me to be a liar.
or, stop taking my words and wrapping them around your own misconceptions.
You see, anastrophe, hypersenseitivity isn't exclusive. We need to be able to laugh at ourselves, make poofa's, step on toes, and still know that we are good people. Judging something by the way it looks on the surface is a loosing proposition. Judging how forum garden looks by what some of its members finds humorus and you find offensive..things like this will always happen. We can't all be the same. But..we can all be accepting of the differences and diversity.
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RedGlitter;446327 wrote: 1. that you never know who you may offend and 2. that it's not very possible to keep from offending *someone* at some point about something.
Anastrophe, that was my joke and I'm very sorry you were offended by it. I saw no offence in it when I posted it and none was ever intended.
Red, I think you have made some very good points and expressed them very clearly, certainly better than I could have done.
Anastrophe, that was my joke and I'm very sorry you were offended by it. I saw no offence in it when I posted it and none was ever intended.
Red, I think you have made some very good points and expressed them very clearly, certainly better than I could have done.
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RedGlitter;446327 wrote: [...]I have my own hot buttons too and when I feel one's been pushed, I can really let go on someone. [...]... kinda.
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anastrophe;446264 wrote: ...for example, this joke - is it bigoted or a harmless laugh?
Q: How do you define "confusion"?
A: Father's Day in Harlem.
it's a bit of sociological observation in some ways, as it's certainly been shown statistically that fathers tend to be absent from black households in larger proportion than in caucasian households in the US. so, harmless? or is it bigoted for suggesting that this is the norm in black communities, regardless of the statistics? it's a matter of degrees, and personal discretion. i certainly wouldn't feel comfortable making that joke in the presence of someone i didn't already know, who knew that i am not a bigot.
how about this joke:
Q: Why don't Blacks drive convertibles?
A: Their lips would slap them to death in the wind.
where does it lie on the continuum between harmless and bigoted? it's a judgement call. to me, it's patently offensive and mean-spirited. i would never repeat that to someone i didn't know (this use as an example aside, of course).
Q: How do you define "confusion"?
A: Father's Day in Harlem.
I sort of smiled when I read this¦¦¦¦. Because as was pointed outanastrophe;446264 wrote: ...it's a bit of sociological observation in some ways, as it's certainly been shown statistically that fathers tend to be absent from black households in larger proportion than in caucasian households in the US.(I hope you did not mind me quoting you there anastrophe)¦¦¦¦¦¦. It’s statistics, it’s official, we are ‘permitted’ to understand the connection and perhaps react to it. When you are ‘allowed’ to laugh at something it sometimes does not seem quite so funny.
Q: Why don't Blacks drive convertibles?
A: Their lips would slap them to death in the wind.
I admit, I did smile when I read this¦¦¦¦¦¦Because¦¦.. big lips are stereotypically big on, to quote from the 'joke', ‘Blacks’. This stereo type is perhaps quite well known but is taboo; it is perhaps politically incorrect to make such statements, quote such statements or laugh at such statements so I think this is why sometimes this sort of ‘joke’ is found more amusing. A racist would ‘perhaps’ laugh at the ‘joke’ just because they are racist and not care that the ‘joke’ is insensitive, a person who is not racist would ‘perhaps’ find it amusing because of the taboo imposed on it but would care about the insensitivity of it, just like I did.
I personally do not think that a person who laughs at a taboo stereotype ‘joke’ is neither racist nor in danger of soiling their political correctness.
Personally, even though I found the ‘jokes’ amusing I would NEVER actually repeat either of them as I do appreciate the insensitivity of them and I do feel that they are offensive, but that’s just my opinion. Others may feel that yes, they can laugh at such ’jokes’ but perhaps not in the presence of those for whom the ‘joke’ was intended or, yes, would perhaps repeat the ‘jokes’ but not in the presence of others they do not know.
That’s it really, I think it’s about what I feel is offensive and what others feel is offensive. What one person thinks of as offensive may not be seen as offensive by another, we just need to appreciate and understand that it may always be offensive to someone somewhere. It’s all about common sense and common decency I think. PC laws may well need to be in place to point out offensive material to those who do not appreciate and understand what is and is not offensive but is a shame when some people (I’m referring to no one from here I might add) feel it necessary to remind others of political correctness unnecessarily.
I sometimes think that the political correctness band wagon has been ridden too hard and for too long and I sometimes think that instead of relying on politics to resolve our difference of opinions we should perhaps look more to our hearts.
We can laugh at inappropriate things sometimes but can still be caring and considerate human beings.
This post is not intended to offend and is based solely on my personal observations and opinions.
Q: How do you define "confusion"?
A: Father's Day in Harlem.
it's a bit of sociological observation in some ways, as it's certainly been shown statistically that fathers tend to be absent from black households in larger proportion than in caucasian households in the US. so, harmless? or is it bigoted for suggesting that this is the norm in black communities, regardless of the statistics? it's a matter of degrees, and personal discretion. i certainly wouldn't feel comfortable making that joke in the presence of someone i didn't already know, who knew that i am not a bigot.
how about this joke:
Q: Why don't Blacks drive convertibles?
A: Their lips would slap them to death in the wind.
where does it lie on the continuum between harmless and bigoted? it's a judgement call. to me, it's patently offensive and mean-spirited. i would never repeat that to someone i didn't know (this use as an example aside, of course).
Q: How do you define "confusion"?
A: Father's Day in Harlem.
I sort of smiled when I read this¦¦¦¦. Because as was pointed outanastrophe;446264 wrote: ...it's a bit of sociological observation in some ways, as it's certainly been shown statistically that fathers tend to be absent from black households in larger proportion than in caucasian households in the US.(I hope you did not mind me quoting you there anastrophe)¦¦¦¦¦¦. It’s statistics, it’s official, we are ‘permitted’ to understand the connection and perhaps react to it. When you are ‘allowed’ to laugh at something it sometimes does not seem quite so funny.
Q: Why don't Blacks drive convertibles?
A: Their lips would slap them to death in the wind.
I admit, I did smile when I read this¦¦¦¦¦¦Because¦¦.. big lips are stereotypically big on, to quote from the 'joke', ‘Blacks’. This stereo type is perhaps quite well known but is taboo; it is perhaps politically incorrect to make such statements, quote such statements or laugh at such statements so I think this is why sometimes this sort of ‘joke’ is found more amusing. A racist would ‘perhaps’ laugh at the ‘joke’ just because they are racist and not care that the ‘joke’ is insensitive, a person who is not racist would ‘perhaps’ find it amusing because of the taboo imposed on it but would care about the insensitivity of it, just like I did.
I personally do not think that a person who laughs at a taboo stereotype ‘joke’ is neither racist nor in danger of soiling their political correctness.
Personally, even though I found the ‘jokes’ amusing I would NEVER actually repeat either of them as I do appreciate the insensitivity of them and I do feel that they are offensive, but that’s just my opinion. Others may feel that yes, they can laugh at such ’jokes’ but perhaps not in the presence of those for whom the ‘joke’ was intended or, yes, would perhaps repeat the ‘jokes’ but not in the presence of others they do not know.
That’s it really, I think it’s about what I feel is offensive and what others feel is offensive. What one person thinks of as offensive may not be seen as offensive by another, we just need to appreciate and understand that it may always be offensive to someone somewhere. It’s all about common sense and common decency I think. PC laws may well need to be in place to point out offensive material to those who do not appreciate and understand what is and is not offensive but is a shame when some people (I’m referring to no one from here I might add) feel it necessary to remind others of political correctness unnecessarily.
I sometimes think that the political correctness band wagon has been ridden too hard and for too long and I sometimes think that instead of relying on politics to resolve our difference of opinions we should perhaps look more to our hearts.
We can laugh at inappropriate things sometimes but can still be caring and considerate human beings.
This post is not intended to offend and is based solely on my personal observations and opinions.
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anastrophe;446264 wrote: as someone who tends to be emotionally hypersensitive, perhaps i can be excused for the way my emotions vacillate. i yam what i yam. it's not uncommon for people who are insecure and have low self-esteem to act in an aggressive, hyper-inflated manner as compensation. i'm a living, breathing science experiment in that regard.
I still think you're Mr. Wonderful :-6
And your wife is Mrs. Wonderful
I still think you're Mr. Wonderful :-6
And your wife is Mrs. Wonderful
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SnoozeControl;446445 wrote: What are three words for 'small'?
"Is it in?"
There, I've posted a sexually insensitive joke. :rolleyes:
This is all getting a little out of hand here folks. Think how Helefra feels that her joke thread got turned into this. It's all a perfectly valid discussion, but maybe it could be moved to a different forum or something.
No offense to Helefra!!!
I hope she does not feel bad at all because this is actually a very worthy discussion. In my own opinion, I think both sides have been presented pretty well here in spite of the tiff we had. Tiffs happen, we're all human. Maybe the important thing is that we are talking it over instead of arguing with each other? I am sorry Helefra's thread went wayward but maybe another joke thread could be started?? :-3
I liked your joke, Snooze.
"Is it in?"
There, I've posted a sexually insensitive joke. :rolleyes:
This is all getting a little out of hand here folks. Think how Helefra feels that her joke thread got turned into this. It's all a perfectly valid discussion, but maybe it could be moved to a different forum or something.
No offense to Helefra!!!
I hope she does not feel bad at all because this is actually a very worthy discussion. In my own opinion, I think both sides have been presented pretty well here in spite of the tiff we had. Tiffs happen, we're all human. Maybe the important thing is that we are talking it over instead of arguing with each other? I am sorry Helefra's thread went wayward but maybe another joke thread could be started?? :-3
I liked your joke, Snooze.
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Bubblegum;446434 wrote: Q: How do you define "confusion"?
A: Father's Day in Harlem.
I sort of smiled when I read this¦¦¦
[...]
Q: Why don't Blacks drive convertibles?
A: Their lips would slap them to death in the wind.
I admit, I did smile when I read this¦¦¦
Personally, even though I found the ‘jokes’ amusing I would NEVER actually repeat either of them as I do appreciate the insensitivity of them and I do feel that they are offensive, but that’s just my opinion.
[...]
PC laws may well need to be in place to point out offensive material to those who do not appreciate and understand what is and is not offensive but is a shame when some people ... feel it necessary to remind others of political correctness unnecessarily.
We can laugh at inappropriate things sometimes but can still be caring and considerate human beings.
This post is not intended to offend and is based solely on my personal observations and opinions.Pretty good straddling the fence. How can you be offended and amused at the same time?
A: Father's Day in Harlem.
I sort of smiled when I read this¦¦¦
[...]
Q: Why don't Blacks drive convertibles?
A: Their lips would slap them to death in the wind.
I admit, I did smile when I read this¦¦¦
Personally, even though I found the ‘jokes’ amusing I would NEVER actually repeat either of them as I do appreciate the insensitivity of them and I do feel that they are offensive, but that’s just my opinion.
[...]
PC laws may well need to be in place to point out offensive material to those who do not appreciate and understand what is and is not offensive but is a shame when some people ... feel it necessary to remind others of political correctness unnecessarily.
We can laugh at inappropriate things sometimes but can still be caring and considerate human beings.
This post is not intended to offend and is based solely on my personal observations and opinions.Pretty good straddling the fence. How can you be offended and amused at the same time?
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Accountable;446483 wrote: Pretty good straddling the fence. How can you be offended and amused at the same time?
It’s not straddling the fence Accountable, the ‘joke’ made me smile but at the same time I can respect that it is offensive; perhaps I should have added ‘perhaps offensive to those the ‘joke‘ is aimed at and perhaps others, to clarify the meaning of that sentence if it were not already clear when I said in the same sentence that ‘I appreciate the insensitivity of them‘, meaning the ‘jokes’.
As I said else where in my previous post we can still laugh at inappropriate things sometimes but still be caring and considerate human beings.
I wonder then if I’m the only one who admits to not stifling a smile at the joke but still actually cares enough to recognise that the ‘joke’ is insensitive perhaps to those for whom the ‘joke’ is aimed at and perhaps others.
It’s not straddling the fence Accountable, the ‘joke’ made me smile but at the same time I can respect that it is offensive; perhaps I should have added ‘perhaps offensive to those the ‘joke‘ is aimed at and perhaps others, to clarify the meaning of that sentence if it were not already clear when I said in the same sentence that ‘I appreciate the insensitivity of them‘, meaning the ‘jokes’.
As I said else where in my previous post we can still laugh at inappropriate things sometimes but still be caring and considerate human beings.
I wonder then if I’m the only one who admits to not stifling a smile at the joke but still actually cares enough to recognise that the ‘joke’ is insensitive perhaps to those for whom the ‘joke’ is aimed at and perhaps others.
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there has been a joke at my races expense in the national paper called the sun today
it says some thing which is totaly untrue and in fact makes fun of it
do you know what i think about it
i dont give a toss my mates even rang up laughing at me telling me about it
and asking if i was upset
i said no and laughed
so mr anostrophe
the racial joke is at my expense are you going to write to the newspaper complaining about it
i've rang family who are the same race as me funnily enough and no one took offence maybe its time to let the racialy injured speak for themselves rather than stir it up for everyone which does no good for any one
it says some thing which is totaly untrue and in fact makes fun of it
do you know what i think about it
i dont give a toss my mates even rang up laughing at me telling me about it
and asking if i was upset
i said no and laughed
so mr anostrophe
the racial joke is at my expense are you going to write to the newspaper complaining about it
i've rang family who are the same race as me funnily enough and no one took offence maybe its time to let the racialy injured speak for themselves rather than stir it up for everyone which does no good for any one
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Jimbo? What race are you? I need to know. Umm for national security reasons. Come on give it up you bald headed English dude.
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YZGI;446633 wrote: Jimbo? What race are you? I need to know. Umm for national security reasons. Come on give it up you bald headed English dude.
i prefer the term shaven headed i dont mind racist but hairist is bad :wah:
http://www.patrin.com/
http://www.geocities.com/~patrinholcaust.htm
i am a proud romany gypsy not to be confused with the **** that hurl rubbish every where and generally are up to no good
if any one has any questions feel free to ask away
i prefer the term shaven headed i dont mind racist but hairist is bad :wah:
http://www.patrin.com/
http://www.geocities.com/~patrinholcaust.htm
i am a proud romany gypsy not to be confused with the **** that hurl rubbish every where and generally are up to no good
if any one has any questions feel free to ask away
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jimbo;446645 wrote: i prefer the term shaven headed i dont mind racist but hairist is bad :wah:
http://www.patrin.com/
http://www.geocities.com/~patrinholcaust.htm
i am a proud romany gypsy not to be confused with the **** that hurl rubbish every where and generally are up to no good
if any one has any questions feel free to ask away
But can you play a tamborine?
http://www.patrin.com/
http://www.geocities.com/~patrinholcaust.htm
i am a proud romany gypsy not to be confused with the **** that hurl rubbish every where and generally are up to no good
if any one has any questions feel free to ask away
But can you play a tamborine?
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YZGI;446646 wrote: But can you play a tamborine?
no mate i cant nor a violin and i dont sell clothes pegs and i cant tell fortunes
i dont wear gold earings but it is true what they say about gypsies and women
no mate i cant nor a violin and i dont sell clothes pegs and i cant tell fortunes
i dont wear gold earings but it is true what they say about gypsies and women
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jimbo;446648 wrote: no mate i cant nor a violin and i dont sell clothes pegs and i cant tell fortunes
i dont wear gold earings but it is true what they say about gypsies and women
Oh come on, everyone can play a tamborine. Ya just bang it against your leg.
i dont wear gold earings but it is true what they say about gypsies and women
Oh come on, everyone can play a tamborine. Ya just bang it against your leg.
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YZGI;446675 wrote: Oh come on, everyone can play a tamborine. Ya just bang it against your leg.
and how does that help you play the tamborine buddy :wah:
and how does that help you play the tamborine buddy :wah:
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A little commentary on PC from George Carlin, Brain Droppings.
(I'll trust the site editor to take care of the bad language)
...Now the Indians. I call them Indians because that's what they are. They're Indians. There's nothing wrong with the word Indian. First of all, it's important to know that the word Indian does not derive from Columbus mistakenly believing he had reached "India." India was not even called by that name in 1492; it was known as Hindustan. More likely, the word Indian comes from Columbus's description of the people he found here. He was an Italian, and did not speak or write very good Spanish, so in his written accounts he called the Indians, "Un gente in Dios." A people in God. In God. In Dios. Indians. It's a perfectly noble and respectable word.
So let's look at this pussified, trendy bullshit phrase, Native Americans. First of all, they're not natives. They came over the Bering land bridge from Asia, so they're not natives. There are no natives anywhere in the world. Everyone is from somewhere else. All people are refugees, immigrants or aliens. If there were natives anywhere, they would be people who still live in the Great Rift Valley in Africa where the human species arose. Everyone else is just visiting. So much for the native part of Native American.
As far as calling them "Americans" is concerned, do I even have to point out what an insult this is? Jesus Holy **** Christ! We steal their hemisphere, kill twenty or so million of them, destroy five hundred separate cultures, herd the survivors onto the worst land we can find, and now we want to name them after ourselves? It's appalling. Haven't we done enough damage? Do we have to further degrade them by tagging them with the repulsive name of their conquerers?
And as far as these classroom liberals who insist on saying "Native American" are concerned, here's something they should be told: It's not up to you to name people and tell them what they ought to be called. If you'd leave the classroom once in a while, you'd find that most Indians are insulted by the term Native American. The American Indian Movement will tell you that if you ask them.
The phrase "Native America" was invented by the U.S. government Department of the Interior in 1970. It is an inventory term used to keep track of people. It includes Hawaiians, Eskimos, Samoans, Micronesians, Polynesians, and Aleuts. Anyone who uses the term Native American is assisting the U.S. goverment in its effort to obliterate people's true identities.
Do you want to know what the Indians would like to be called? Their real names: Adirondack, Delaware, Massachuset, Narraganset, Potomac, Illinois, Miami, Alabama, Ottawa, Waco, Wichita, Mohave, Shasta, Yuma, Erie, Huron, Susquehanna, Natchez, Mobile, Yakima, Wallawalla, Muskogee, Spokan, Iowa, Missouri, Omaha, Kansa, Biloxi, Dakota, Hatteras, Klamath, Caddo, Tillamook, Washoe, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca, Laguna, Santa Ana, Winnebago, Pecos, Cheyenne, Menominee, Yankton, Apalachee, Chinook, Catawba, Santa Clara, Taos, Arapaho, Blackfoot, Blackfeet, Chippewa, Cree, Cheyenne, Mohawk, Tuscarora, Cherokee, Seminole, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Comanche, Shoshone, Two Kettle, Sans Arc, Chiricahua, Kiowa, Mescalero, Navajo, Nez Perce, Potawatomi, Shawnee, Pawnee, Chickahominy, Flathead, Santee, Assiniboin, Oglala, Miniconjou, Osage, Crow, Brule`, Hunkpapa, Pima, Zuni, Hopi, Paiute, Creek, Kickapoo, Ojibwa, Shinnicock.
You know, you'd think it would be a pretty simple thing to come over to this continent, commit genocide, eliminate the forests, dam up the rivers, build our malls and massage parlors, sell our blenders and whoopee cushions, poison ourselves with chemicals, and let it go at that. But no. We have to compound the insult. Native Americans! I'm glad the Indians have gambling casinos now. It makes me happy that dimwitted white people are losing their rent money to the Indians. Maybe the Indians will get lucky and win their country back. Probably they wouldn't want it. Look what we did to it.
(I'll trust the site editor to take care of the bad language)
...Now the Indians. I call them Indians because that's what they are. They're Indians. There's nothing wrong with the word Indian. First of all, it's important to know that the word Indian does not derive from Columbus mistakenly believing he had reached "India." India was not even called by that name in 1492; it was known as Hindustan. More likely, the word Indian comes from Columbus's description of the people he found here. He was an Italian, and did not speak or write very good Spanish, so in his written accounts he called the Indians, "Un gente in Dios." A people in God. In God. In Dios. Indians. It's a perfectly noble and respectable word.
So let's look at this pussified, trendy bullshit phrase, Native Americans. First of all, they're not natives. They came over the Bering land bridge from Asia, so they're not natives. There are no natives anywhere in the world. Everyone is from somewhere else. All people are refugees, immigrants or aliens. If there were natives anywhere, they would be people who still live in the Great Rift Valley in Africa where the human species arose. Everyone else is just visiting. So much for the native part of Native American.
As far as calling them "Americans" is concerned, do I even have to point out what an insult this is? Jesus Holy **** Christ! We steal their hemisphere, kill twenty or so million of them, destroy five hundred separate cultures, herd the survivors onto the worst land we can find, and now we want to name them after ourselves? It's appalling. Haven't we done enough damage? Do we have to further degrade them by tagging them with the repulsive name of their conquerers?
And as far as these classroom liberals who insist on saying "Native American" are concerned, here's something they should be told: It's not up to you to name people and tell them what they ought to be called. If you'd leave the classroom once in a while, you'd find that most Indians are insulted by the term Native American. The American Indian Movement will tell you that if you ask them.
The phrase "Native America" was invented by the U.S. government Department of the Interior in 1970. It is an inventory term used to keep track of people. It includes Hawaiians, Eskimos, Samoans, Micronesians, Polynesians, and Aleuts. Anyone who uses the term Native American is assisting the U.S. goverment in its effort to obliterate people's true identities.
Do you want to know what the Indians would like to be called? Their real names: Adirondack, Delaware, Massachuset, Narraganset, Potomac, Illinois, Miami, Alabama, Ottawa, Waco, Wichita, Mohave, Shasta, Yuma, Erie, Huron, Susquehanna, Natchez, Mobile, Yakima, Wallawalla, Muskogee, Spokan, Iowa, Missouri, Omaha, Kansa, Biloxi, Dakota, Hatteras, Klamath, Caddo, Tillamook, Washoe, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca, Laguna, Santa Ana, Winnebago, Pecos, Cheyenne, Menominee, Yankton, Apalachee, Chinook, Catawba, Santa Clara, Taos, Arapaho, Blackfoot, Blackfeet, Chippewa, Cree, Cheyenne, Mohawk, Tuscarora, Cherokee, Seminole, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Comanche, Shoshone, Two Kettle, Sans Arc, Chiricahua, Kiowa, Mescalero, Navajo, Nez Perce, Potawatomi, Shawnee, Pawnee, Chickahominy, Flathead, Santee, Assiniboin, Oglala, Miniconjou, Osage, Crow, Brule`, Hunkpapa, Pima, Zuni, Hopi, Paiute, Creek, Kickapoo, Ojibwa, Shinnicock.
You know, you'd think it would be a pretty simple thing to come over to this continent, commit genocide, eliminate the forests, dam up the rivers, build our malls and massage parlors, sell our blenders and whoopee cushions, poison ourselves with chemicals, and let it go at that. But no. We have to compound the insult. Native Americans! I'm glad the Indians have gambling casinos now. It makes me happy that dimwitted white people are losing their rent money to the Indians. Maybe the Indians will get lucky and win their country back. Probably they wouldn't want it. Look what we did to it.
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jimbo;446645 wrote:
http://www.patrin.com/
http://www.geocities.com/~patrinholcaust.htm
i am a proud romany gypsy not to be confused with the **** that hurl rubbish every where and generally are up to no good
if any one has any questions feel free to ask away
Hi Jimbo!
I think this is very, very cool! The Rom have always intrigued me! I'm sure I have many questions I'd like to ask but I'm not quite awake yet. 
I bet I am not the only one who would love to hear anything you might like to tell us about the culture and all! Maybe you would start a new thread??
I am bookmarking those websites- thanks!
http://www.patrin.com/
http://www.geocities.com/~patrinholcaust.htm
i am a proud romany gypsy not to be confused with the **** that hurl rubbish every where and generally are up to no good
if any one has any questions feel free to ask away
Hi Jimbo!
I think this is very, very cool! The Rom have always intrigued me!
I'm sure I have many questions I'd like to ask but I'm not quite awake yet. I bet I am not the only one who would love to hear anything you might like to tell us about the culture and all! Maybe you would start a new thread?? I am bookmarking those websites- thanks!
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jimbo;446621 wrote: there has been a joke at my races expense in the national paper called the sun today
it says some thing which is totaly untrue and in fact makes fun of it
do you know what i think about it
i dont give a toss my mates even rang up laughing at me telling me about it
and asking if i was upset
i said no and laughed
so mr anostrophe
the racial joke is at my expense are you going to write to the newspaper complaining about it
i've rang family who are the same race as me funnily enough and no one took offence maybe its time to let the racialy injured speak for themselves rather than stir it up for everyone which does no good for any one
it's a valid enough point. if only we could know whether a given joke will offend someone in advance. it's great you're not offended by jokes at the expense of gypsies. someone else may take great offense. of course - it depends as much on the person as on the joke, as i've taken pains to point out. and there it boils down both to a continuum. it's always a judgement call when you make a joke at the expense of others, particularly if you don't know if the 'others' are even going to see/hear the joke. and that's where the matter lies with the front page of FG.
as i told redglitter in PM, i personally feel less strongly about the issue than i come across in this public topic. i felt the matter deserved discussion. the rather ironic side effect is the number of people who have told me what i should/shouldn't say or do. while talking about how much they're against censorship. "stop beating people up with the PC stick". translation: "I don't want to hear your opinion on the matter, so shut up". yet *i've* never told anyone that they should shut up or suggested that such jokes be censored. the irony is rich.
it says some thing which is totaly untrue and in fact makes fun of it
do you know what i think about it
i dont give a toss my mates even rang up laughing at me telling me about it
and asking if i was upset
i said no and laughed
so mr anostrophe
the racial joke is at my expense are you going to write to the newspaper complaining about it
i've rang family who are the same race as me funnily enough and no one took offence maybe its time to let the racialy injured speak for themselves rather than stir it up for everyone which does no good for any one
it's a valid enough point. if only we could know whether a given joke will offend someone in advance. it's great you're not offended by jokes at the expense of gypsies. someone else may take great offense. of course - it depends as much on the person as on the joke, as i've taken pains to point out. and there it boils down both to a continuum. it's always a judgement call when you make a joke at the expense of others, particularly if you don't know if the 'others' are even going to see/hear the joke. and that's where the matter lies with the front page of FG.
as i told redglitter in PM, i personally feel less strongly about the issue than i come across in this public topic. i felt the matter deserved discussion. the rather ironic side effect is the number of people who have told me what i should/shouldn't say or do. while talking about how much they're against censorship. "stop beating people up with the PC stick". translation: "I don't want to hear your opinion on the matter, so shut up". yet *i've* never told anyone that they should shut up or suggested that such jokes be censored. the irony is rich.
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RedGlitter;446681 wrote: Hi Jimbo!
I think this is very, very cool! The Rom have always intrigued me! I'm sure I have many questions I'd like to ask but I'm not quite awake yet. I bet I am not the only one who would love to hear anything you might like to tell us about the culture and all! Maybe you would start a new thread??
I am bookmarking those websites- thanks!
cool red you never know how people are gonna take the Romany thing my best friend gatesy is very religious and he loves Romany's but a lot of people don't but i'm only half my mom was a gorgey not sure thats spelt right according to proper Romany" ROKER" speak that means none Romany
my brother Jake is the worlds only Romany journalist and goes all around the world trying to fight injustice ,he once chained himself to a tree in Malaysia to try and stop a dam being built he spent a long time in one of there hell hole prisons and lost half his body weight while he was in there
you could never tell by hearing me speak of my heritage and when someone says something bad about us i say i respect your opinions but I'd rather you did not say it in front of me they say you cant be a gypsy your a really nice guy
anything you would like to know feel free but anything you do ask i will answer honestly , so be careful :wah:
take care Jim
I think this is very, very cool! The Rom have always intrigued me!
I'm sure I have many questions I'd like to ask but I'm not quite awake yet. I bet I am not the only one who would love to hear anything you might like to tell us about the culture and all! Maybe you would start a new thread?? I am bookmarking those websites- thanks!
cool red you never know how people are gonna take the Romany thing my best friend gatesy is very religious and he loves Romany's but a lot of people don't but i'm only half my mom was a gorgey not sure thats spelt right according to proper Romany" ROKER" speak that means none Romany
my brother Jake is the worlds only Romany journalist and goes all around the world trying to fight injustice ,he once chained himself to a tree in Malaysia to try and stop a dam being built he spent a long time in one of there hell hole prisons and lost half his body weight while he was in there
you could never tell by hearing me speak of my heritage and when someone says something bad about us i say i respect your opinions but I'd rather you did not say it in front of me they say you cant be a gypsy your a really nice guy
anything you would like to know feel free but anything you do ask i will answer honestly , so be careful :wah:
take care Jim
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Jimbo, you've created a monster! :wah: I have been scrubbing the Web and I believe I found your brother the journalist but I won't give his name for privacy reasons.I am bookmarking all the articles so I can read them at leisure. I learned a smattering of words too. I am so impressed! Here is a chance for us to learn about an often misunderstood People who are so rich in culture. Okay, a few questions for now...
-I'd like to know about some of your traditions! And any folklore would be great too!
-Are there any special customs or traditions connected with life or death?
-What is the general feeling about the word "Gypsy?" Is it considered not a good thing to say or is that what the Romany prefer to be called? What's the proper thing to say?
-FOOD! Do you have any recipes? What type of cuisine is popular?
What is the predominant religion?
I hope I'm not being too inquisitive! I am just so pleased to be learning from a real human being instead of reading things written by non-Romany historians.
Thank you for being so willing to answer our questions!!
Okay, a few questions for now...-I'd like to know about some of your traditions! And any folklore would be great too!
-Are there any special customs or traditions connected with life or death?
-What is the general feeling about the word "Gypsy?" Is it considered not a good thing to say or is that what the Romany prefer to be called? What's the proper thing to say?
-FOOD!
Do you have any recipes? What type of cuisine is popular? What is the predominant religion?
I hope I'm not being too inquisitive! I am just so pleased to be learning from a real human being instead of reading things written by non-Romany historians.
Thank you for being so willing to answer our questions!!
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Hi Red,
Just seen your post, it's lovely for someone to be so positive, normally most people are quite abusive and tend to refer us to 'pikeys' which we most certainally are not! When we moved into our house the neighbours took an instant dislike to us as they'd heard we were gypsys, one of the neighbours grabbed my 6 year old son and called him a pikey, just because he was riding his bike up and down the path. We lived on a site until the children went to school, but i wanted them settled for their schooling. I know Jim will love to talk to you when he gets back. Jim's relative's are actually quite well known, do you remember the movie fight club with brad pitt? Brad stayed with Jim's family to learn about bare knuckle fighting, Jim can speak roker too.
Suz:-4
Just seen your post, it's lovely for someone to be so positive, normally most people are quite abusive and tend to refer us to 'pikeys' which we most certainally are not! When we moved into our house the neighbours took an instant dislike to us as they'd heard we were gypsys, one of the neighbours grabbed my 6 year old son and called him a pikey, just because he was riding his bike up and down the path. We lived on a site until the children went to school, but i wanted them settled for their schooling. I know Jim will love to talk to you when he gets back. Jim's relative's are actually quite well known, do you remember the movie fight club with brad pitt? Brad stayed with Jim's family to learn about bare knuckle fighting, Jim can speak roker too.
Suz:-4
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Hi Suzy!
I find that really upsetting that people would behave like that even nowadays. And treating an adult poorly is bad enough but to treat a *child* like that?? Terrible! I've never heard that term "pikey" before and it sounds mean. I am aware of some of the negative stereotypes but I've never held them myself. If anything, I probably fall into the category of people who see "Gypsies" on TV and fall in love with the romance of what is portrayed but you know, now that I think about it, that could be a stereotype too. I know you and Jimbo will set us straight on it! 
I did see "Fight Club." How neat to have Brad Pitt in one's house! Is he a nice guy?? I am really looking forward to learning about the Romani people and ways of life!
I find that really upsetting that people would behave like that even nowadays. And treating an adult poorly is bad enough but to treat a *child* like that?? Terrible! I've never heard that term "pikey" before and it sounds mean.
I am aware of some of the negative stereotypes but I've never held them myself. If anything, I probably fall into the category of people who see "Gypsies" on TV and fall in love with the romance of what is portrayed but you know, now that I think about it, that could be a stereotype too. I know you and Jimbo will set us straight on it! I did see "Fight Club." How neat to have Brad Pitt in one's house! Is he a nice guy?? I am really looking forward to learning about the Romani people and ways of life! Chinese Jews
RedGlitter;447390 wrote: Jimbo, you've created a monster! :wah: I have been scrubbing the Web and I believe I found your brother the journalist but I won't give his name for privacy reasons.I am bookmarking all the articles so I can read them at leisure. I learned a smattering of words too. I am so impressed! Here is a chance for us to learn about an often misunderstood People who are so rich in culture. Okay, a few questions for now...
-I'd like to know about some of your traditions! And any folklore would be great too!
-Are there any special customs or traditions connected with life or death?
-What is the general feeling about the word "Gypsy?" Is it considered not a good thing to say or is that what the Romany prefer to be called? What's the proper thing to say?
-FOOD! Do you have any recipes? What type of cuisine is popular?
What is the predominant religion?
I hope I'm not being too inquisitive! I am just so pleased to be learning from a real human being instead of reading things written by non-Romany historians.
Thank you for being so willing to answer our questions!!
dear red
not sure what you mean by folk law
when a traveller thats what we call each other dies the buriel is the same depends on the persons faith,its custom for the men to sit up all night till dawntelling jokes and remebering the person the women do the same but in a different caravan or building
main religion is church of enland but in the last few years there has been shift to born again christians
there have been many great meals my gran used to make i could ask her sister my gt aunt jane to give me a few recipes for you
well done on finding my bro
the one thing i would like to make clear is a common name is dirty pikey or dirty gypsy
my relites houses are so clean you could eat off of the floor everything is immaculate every thing
so much so if my cousins visit me sue makes me take them down the pub for with the gang of kids we have there is no way we can keep our house as clean as theres and we have a clean house
Okay, a few questions for now...-I'd like to know about some of your traditions! And any folklore would be great too!
-Are there any special customs or traditions connected with life or death?
-What is the general feeling about the word "Gypsy?" Is it considered not a good thing to say or is that what the Romany prefer to be called? What's the proper thing to say?
-FOOD!
Do you have any recipes? What type of cuisine is popular? What is the predominant religion?
I hope I'm not being too inquisitive! I am just so pleased to be learning from a real human being instead of reading things written by non-Romany historians.
Thank you for being so willing to answer our questions!!
dear red
not sure what you mean by folk law
when a traveller thats what we call each other dies the buriel is the same depends on the persons faith,its custom for the men to sit up all night till dawntelling jokes and remebering the person the women do the same but in a different caravan or building
main religion is church of enland but in the last few years there has been shift to born again christians
there have been many great meals my gran used to make i could ask her sister my gt aunt jane to give me a few recipes for you
well done on finding my bro
the one thing i would like to make clear is a common name is dirty pikey or dirty gypsy
my relites houses are so clean you could eat off of the floor everything is immaculate every thing
so much so if my cousins visit me sue makes me take them down the pub for with the gang of kids we have there is no way we can keep our house as clean as theres and we have a clean house