pit bulls kill baby

[pantsonfire321@aol.com]

[QUOTE=jimbo;454637]yup them torties can move like greased lightning when they need to poor old pants you never stood a chance QUOTE]

Those little critters are much faster than you imagine and their buggers for climbing .

[Carl44]

pantsonfire321@aol.com;454638 wrote: [quote=jimbo;454637]yup them torties can move like greased lightning when they need to poor old pants you never stood a chance QUOTE]



Those little critters are much faster than you imagine and their buggers for climbing .


i had an aurmered plated lizard that bit me hard



he ate crickets



must of thought i was jiminy cricket :wah: :wah:

[pantsonfire321@aol.com]

jimbo;454639 wrote: [quote=pantsonfire321@aol.com;454638]



i had an aurmered plated lizard that bit me hard



he ate crickets



must of thought i was jiminy cricket :wah: :wah:


I had a plated lizard once (well three) i called one Elvis. He kept escaping . There nice lizards - you can also feed them pinkys or fuzzs .

[Carl44]

pantsonfire321@aol.com;454642 wrote: [quote=jimbo;454639]



I had a plated lizard once (well three) i called one Elvis. He kept escaping . There nice lizards - you can also feed them pinkys or fuzzs .




nooo not my fave pasty chomping witch :-3



fuzzs i may of eaten one or two myself :sneaky: :sneaky:

[rachelg]

Statistically speaking, cocker spaniels are at the top of the list for biting and unpredictable temperament, yet when's the last time you heard about that happening?



Hi Red,

Just happen to be an authority on Cocker Spaniels. In the late 70's and 80's Cockers were the number #1 AKC breed. The unfortunate result of that was that anyone with any cocker that had no more qualification than a set of AKC papers was instantly trying to become a breeder. The cocker spaniel can have many temperaments, but without proper study of the breed and careful selection of good tempered dogs, many poor tempered dogs were produced. Today the Cocker is not so popular which is good for the breed. People I know that have dedicated themselves to this merry and multifaceted breed have concentrated very hard to correct the temperament as well as other health issues in the breed. I have had several finished champions that I did not consider worthy of breeding. Their structure was correct and their breed type was lovely, but if they were from parents I found health or temperament issues in, or if they themselves were a little shy or more of a one-person dog, they didn't meet the qualifications. I haven't had a litter in over two years, and I have a long waiting list. Unfortunately, I also have six rescue cockers that I have never been able to adopt out, so my kennel space is full. If you ever hear of anyone wanting an adult cocker spaniel, I always can come up with one. When I do sell pets, I will only let them go on a spay or neuter contract. This is not because I want to hoard the lines I've been creating, but to prevent them from falling into ignorant hands and being ruined. Just an interesting bit of Cocker info:-6

[rachelg]

Oh, and my opinion about the father whose child was killed. I can't imagine the father could have guessed his dogs would kill the child so I don't really think it is a murder case, but I do think it is a negligence case. Knowing what I do about inheritance of temperament, I strongly suspect that the majority of breeders of pits (and I don't mean hobby show breeders who are focusing on the types of things I do in cockers) are using the most aggressive parentage they can so they can produce fighters. A dog with that type of temperament is not safe around children or any less than a full adult strength person. I may even venture to guess that this man was interested in the dog fighting sport (which I can't agree it should be called) but thought the aggression would only be against other dogs. Personally, if nothing else, I think if a Pit has shown any aggression whatsoever, it should be an instant sentance of neutering.:-5

[cherandbuster]

rachelg;454647 wrote: Statistically speaking, cocker spaniels are at the top of the list for biting and unpredictable temperament, yet when's the last time you heard about that happening?



Hi Red,

Just happen to be an authority on Cocker Spaniels. In the late 70's and 80's Cockers were the number #1 AKC breed. The unfortunate result of that was that anyone with any cocker that had no more qualification than a set of AKC papers was instantly trying to become a breeder. The cocker spaniel can have many temperaments, but without proper study of the breed and careful selection of good tempered dogs, many poor tempered dogs were produced. Today the Cocker is not so popular which is good for the breed. People I know that have dedicated themselves to this merry and multifaceted breed have concentrated very hard to correct the temperament as well as other health issues in the breed. I have had several finished champions that I did not consider worthy of breeding. Their structure was correct and their breed type was lovely, but if they were from parents I found health or temperament issues in, or if they themselves were a little shy or more of a one-person dog, they didn't meet the qualifications. I haven't had a litter in over two years, and I have a long waiting list. Unfortunately, I also have six rescue cockers that I have never been able to adopt out, so my kennel space is full. If you ever hear of anyone wanting an adult cocker spaniel, I always can come up with one. When I do sell pets, I will only let them go on a spay or neuter contract. This is not because I want to hoard the lines I've been creating, but to prevent them from falling into ignorant hands and being ruined. Just an interesting bit of Cocker info:-6


Hiya Rachel

Nice post :-6

[RedGlitter]

Hi RachelG,



I have had rescued cockers since about 1982. Only one was bought as a puppy but taken from a backyard breeder, I consider it still a rescue. I've only had poor behavior from my current girl who was obviously abused previously. She flees and shakes at the sound of a flyswatter or a newspaper smacking a bug. Her tail is cropped so short it ought to warrant a jail term for the jerk who did it. She's fine with people but dominant with my male chi/terrier. You know how statistics can go. Personally I would like to see all dogs neutered except for a number of strictly regulated breeders monitored by someone other than the AKC. I'm sick of finding homes for the ones I can and vomiting over the ones I can't. I figure as long as any are dying, there's no need to make more. But I ramble...



I offer this link for some very good information on Pits and their place in history: www.badrap.org

[RedGlitter]

Rachel, I also wanted to echo you on the overbreeding...but of all dogs, not just cockers. Part of the reason we have aberrative pit bulls is due to Tom Dick and Harry who have no idea or concern about their breeding methods. Humans made this mess and now we are smearing the dog.

[rachelg]

RedGlitter;454696 wrote: Rachel, I also wanted to echo you on the overbreeding...but of all dogs, not just cockers. Part of the reason we have aberrative pit bulls is due to Tom Dick and Harry who have no idea or concern about their breeding methods. Humans made this mess and now we are smearing the dog.
I agree humans made the mess. Only humans can fix the mess too, but as long as it is profitable to breed the fighting lines of this breed, the individuals who enjoy the fights will do the most breeding. A breeder who is truely concerned with his breed does not realize a profit. They spend a fortune. My last litter costed me several thousand dollars more than the price of the couple of pups I decided should be neutered and sold for pets. It takes approx. two thousand to finish your dog as a champion. This process (while also a lot of fun for those breeders who shown their own dogs, like me:) ) is actually the aquiring of experts in the field of dog structure and breed type by way of getting their opinions as judges that your dog is acceptable breeding quality - conformationwise. Once the title of champion is achieved, the health testing begins - eyes in cockers are a health issue (cataracts, PRA, glaucoma). Then hip x-rays, testing for factors in the blood such as van willibrands (spelling may be off), and some also do heart testing especially if it has been a problem in any of the parents or grandparents. The stud fees, airline expenses if the perfect mate happens to be too far away for driving, and then all the expenses incurred after the birth of the litter, drive the cost far beyond any thought of profit. But profit is the main driver for many people that I call backyard breeders. I get so riled up when a coworker gets a new puppy and one of the first things I hear out of them is that they want to breed her or him when they get old enough to make back the cost of their puppy.:-5 To me, the cost of the puppy is more than made up for by the having of the puppy. So, what is my point? Until people who are interested in this breed find themselves unable to sell a puppy because he hasn't came from a breeder who was focused on IMPROVING the temperament and conformation and health of the breed, there will always be problem Pit Bulls or any other breed that becomes popular for the wrong reason. The unfortunate result of this is that there is no good place for these dogs. They are not good pets and should not be sold as such. Fighting them is illegle, but once the fighting rings are broken up, the majority of these dogs are euthanized because there is no solution to keeping them. It may be hard-hearted, but there isn't any solution I know of other than that If all the more aggressive lines were destroyed (which they never will be) the remaining ones that have been in the hands of responsible breeders would at least not perpetuate the problem.

[rachelg]

cherandbuster;454685 wrote: Hiya Rachel

Nice post :-6


Thanks Cher, Cute chihuahua:-6

[valerie]

For those of you who visit the website (badrap) that Red posted, please

do click on the "Happy endings" towards the lower right of that page.



I would like you guys to see the pics and read the stories.



:-6

[DesignerGal]

Pants, you and jimbo might watch out. This thread is about pit bull bites, and not lizards. The thread patrol might come after you!:D

[rachelg]

valerie;455127 wrote: For those of you who visit the website (badrap) that Red posted, please

do click on the "Happy endings" towards the lower right of that page.



I would like you guys to see the pics and read the stories.



:-6


Here's a thought. What if everyone convicted of operating or participating in dogfighting was required to support rescue organizations for the rest of their life such as this, in a way that was similar to paying child support? Would that work?

[valerie]

rachelg;455194 wrote: Here's a thought. What if everyone convicted of operating or participating in dogfighting was required to support rescue organizations for the rest of their life such as this, in a way that was similar to paying child support? Would that work?


Got my vote!!



With that and drugs there's a lot of money changing hands so let's

hit 'em in the pocketbook.

[pantsonfire321@aol.com]

DesignerGal;455141 wrote: Pants, you and jimbo might watch out. This thread is about pit bull bites, and not lizards. The thread patrol might come after you!:D


:eek: Thanks DG i'll be hiding under the bed covers so they can't find me :yh_bigsmi