Hi Spot!
I have a problem with my pet peeve are Internet bullies and condescending negative punks in various forms. Some sites let them thrive or survive because the Admin doesn't care, or likes it, or the people in question are connected or in power. Me, I would tell the condescending, abusive, bullying, arrogant, nit-picky, uptight, toxic S.O.B.s to get out. I find people who get off on that power to be Crossing The Line. though, for two reasons. One is, as I expect you've heard, that the minority camp you've been recruited by uses that description quite often. I take it as a partisan comment and so will a lot of other people here.
Well, I have not heard that people use those terms here or at least to memory, or more than any other group of people so I am not aware of any special phrases or famous words here or anything like that. I don't care if people take what I say as partisan because I speak my mind regardless of what side people think it supports. I mean, some truths will naturally favor some things, people, places, companies, etc. but that doesn't mean they aren't valid or being said honestly. In other words, I don't play the partisan game and don't care about that assessment. I don't operate (restrict or fashion myself) as if I am in junior high school still.
The other is that it's written by the uninformed but opportunistic Admin of a board they've started using as a back-channel, from whom a direct attack on the style of the local Admin would rightly be considered rather bad form. What he has here is open to fishing expeditions from rival operators but it's as well to note the event when it's happening even when they deny their motive. Well, they would, wouldn't they.
I assume you are referring to ME as the uninformed and opportunistic Admin? If so, that's rather silly. First, I don't see how my opinions are based upon not being informed. Secondly, opportunistic? Opportunity for what? Recruiting? I advertise other forum sites at my place and welcome the Admins from here or anywhere to post reasonably, critical or not, in the appropriate forums. I have a forum built just for that actually. I am not protectionist. Most people I know post on multiple sites. If a Member leaves me it is because I am either not doing something right or we were not a good fit. I gladly share and actively send Members to other forum sites. See my forum called The Website Depot - it's where Members can list and discuss and recruit for their forum or any other site. Also, if I was here to recruit I would have come here months ago when I first learned of this place during the drama of Lady Cop when several people from here initially joined up. Why didn't I come then? Wouldn't that have been a great time for me, Mr. Opportunistic? The answer is, of course, because it wasn't until recently that I was invited here by several people and I do not post to recruit. Shouldn't I have been playing Mr. Nice and Sweet in all my posts if that was my agenda? I don't send PMs to people I don't know or any of that nonsense. I am a Member of dozens of boards, between helping people and other Admins and of course having some fun or expanding my education. I post what I feel at the time and recently, as a Member here, it was disturbing that someone I knew before I came here decided to leave - Snooze. I posted this thread as a MEMBER here just like YOU. Furthermore I have to assume that what I have said regarding the mechanisms that play into a culture here or anywhere, or the basic choices the Admins anywhere have, would be seen as correct by the Admins. I didn't say anything revolutionary. I was describing what goes into Crossing the Line or enabling and empowering the Crossing of the Line. So, glad to see you are in the judging business but that business is closed from my point of view.
You're perfectly correct that there's a small element on FG to whom "post how I want you to post" is a central plank of their existence. Like who I like, attack who I want you to attack while I stay out of reach in the background. Those who have been approached on FG in the past - and by God there's enough of them - know exactly who's involved. If anyone thinks that I've played that game at any stage I'd be delighted to have them add to this thread saying so. It's the underlying drive that powers the bad cess here, but it's not the condescending, arrogant, nit-picky, uptight, toxic S.O.B.s who are behaving that way (I reject abusive and bullying as accurate terms). The FG Admin doesn't play favourites. Nobody's "connected or in power" and thereby immune from consequences.
I have no problem respecting your view on that. I wasn't even focusing on FG in particular since the vast majority of my experience has been seeing those types of people on other sites (in fact, my site too, since I had a big gang of them several months ago causing me to delete dozens of people over a two week period). Although in the few threads that I have been in and the others I have read did show me that there are many individuals here that fit that description. I won't name names because we and they know who they are.
On a sidenote, there are a few people I know from here who I would love to meet one day in RL!
LADY COP doesn't live THAT far. WATCH OUT, LINDA!!
I'd say that indicates which side of the line you've been on since you registered. When Is The Line Crossed? When someone arrives with an pre-arranged agenda, in my book. Nomad called that a while ago and he got it bang to rights.
Yes, Lady Copy "referred" me here and was among a few others who prompted me, and like I said when I got here I had several friends/Members from FG over by me - Lady Cop was one of them and she is my friend. What, we can't have friends now? You are being silly at best by saying I should be described as having a "pre-arranged agenda" because I happen to be friends with Lady Cop. Should I say that you have a pre-arranged agenda because of the people you are friends with? Should we all say Spot has a problem to be noted, an unfair bias, a view or agenda worth pointing out (instead of discussing the merit of Spot's points) because he has friends we have opinions about. Because we too can bring up the typical assuming and judging crap that goes into the typical attitude that helps stain a culture? If it had been you or one of your close friends that referred me here I have a feeling that your quality would not have deteriorated in the manner that it just did.
Your response there is textbook junior high stuff that is a big part of what goes into Crossing the Line. You should not be playing judge, assuming, accusing of agendas and all that. You should be grown enough to know that you should be discussing the merits of the points presented.
Attack the idea, not the person, and you will be better at not Crossing the Line. You'll even be a better, more attractive, happier human being. Crossing the Line is the subject here, not Spot's view of my agenda, who my friends are, what seems partisan to Spot or any other person into focusing on that crap, and all of that type of juvenile nitpick arrogant stuff that causes the problems.
I plan on sticking to the subject, not deviating into some personal drama crap.
Thanks for reading.
