I just received the most iinteresting private message....

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:08 am

devist8me;504049 wrote: Can you check IPs on your "guests"?No need. Figures like that are how you tell when something's being discussed and posting tactics in a thread here being coordinated on another board, that's all. I thought I'd freeze-frame the figure just in case anyone mistook the action for spontaneity.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:12 am

Diuretic;504010 wrote: I like cats - they just get bad publicity Koan

Okay Kitty, put the gun down, there's a good girl, just put the gun down slowly now...............

...:yh_rotfl

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:14 am

spot;504056 wrote: No need. Figures like that are how you tell when something's being discussed and posting tactics in a thread here being coordinated on another board, that's all. I thought I'd freeze-frame the figure just in case anyone mistook the action for spontaneity.
Paranoia will destroy ya :guitarist

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:16 am

.....Okay Kitty, put the gun down, there's a good girl, just put the gun down slowly now.............

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:17 am

Accountable;504064 wrote: Paranoia will destroy ya :guitaristSo it would - that's why I freeze-framed the figure. It disappears afterwards otherwise.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:20 am

spot;504068 wrote: So it would - that's why I freeze-framed the figure. It disappears afterwards otherwise.
OMG!!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 13 (6 members and 7 guests)

And only 3 are visible! That means some are hiding, ready with sniper rifles, maybe.

DUCK!!

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:21 am

What is going on here?

I leave my computer for 1 1/2 days and we're back in a mess again :-4

I'm not gonna let all this crap really get to me

Even though it is pretty sad :-1

I love Nomad and I love Lulu2 and I'm personally shocked about the PM.

Can't we all play nice, with a little sex talk thrown in the mix? :p

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:21 am

Accountable;504072 wrote: DUCK!!I thought the correct technical term was "pull"?

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:23 am

cherandbuster;504074 wrote: Can't we all play nice, with a little sex talk thrown in the mix? :pspot licks Cher's wrist and runs his fingers up her arm playfully

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:23 am

spot;504075 wrote: I thought the correct technical term was "pull"?
Not if you're the clay pigeon, it's not.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:24 am

I have to wonder, if it were me instead of Nomad that called Lulu a pig, would you all still say let it go?:-2

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:26 am

Peg;504082 wrote: I have to wonder, if it were me instead of Nomad that called Lulu a pig, would you all still say let it go?:-2

If I called you a Pig, Peg, it'd just be a typo. Honest.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:26 am

Peg;504082 wrote: I have to wonder, if it were me instead of Nomad that called Lulu a pig, would you all still say let it go?:-2
We might call it a typo. Pig, Peg, you get the idea?

Sorry couldn't resist. I'll delete this in a minute.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:27 am

spot;504084 wrote: If I called you a Pig, Peg, it'd just be a typo. Honest.
:eek: I can't believe you'd say such a thing!

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:30 am

Accountable;504088 wrote:

I can't believe you'd say such a thing!

We think alike, Acc. Put up with it.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:30 am

Peg;504082 wrote: I have to wonder, if it were me instead of Nomad that called Lulu a pig, would you all still say let it go?:-2

I would be surprised if you posted a private message on the open forum Peg.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:31 am

Peg;504082 wrote: I have to wonder, if it were me instead of Nomad that called Lulu a pig, would you all still say let it go?:-2

Yes. Because it's not our concern. It is between Lulu and Nomad.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:31 am

Accountable;504086 wrote: We might call it a typo. Pig, Peg, you get the idea?

Sorry couldn't resist. I'll delete this in a minute.

:yh_rotfl :p

venus · Post by **venus** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:34 am

flippin heck, you stay away for awhile thinking all wil be well because of the love floating around during this time of year and you come back to give out some of that love and the fur is flying again....

this is one of the reasons why l don't come here anywhere near as often as l used too..

Im with many others on the fact that l visit the garden to have fun and a laugh.. not sling mud and duck!!

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:44 am

Just to be clear (and then I'm done with this thread) there were NO previous private messages to or from this person. Ever. I opened a private message and read an insult. Believe me, being called a pig, without any previous conversation, isn't a compliment.

Why did I post it openly on the board? Because, after the recent threads complimenting this person's good nature, etc, I was amazed at the level of anger in it and I consider that unsolicted email to be HARASSMENT!

I'm formally (and publicly) making the statement that I wish no contact with this person. Any future communication (other than an apology) will be considered the second incident of HARASSMENT.

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:47 am

spot hands Lulu a megaphone, two semaphore flags, an Aldis lamp and an icepack

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:35 am

Seems to me Nomad has been sending out quite a few nasty messages to the "gang". I'm just wondering why I havent received one yet.

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:37 am

DesignerGal;504308 wrote: Seems to me Nomad has been sending out quite a few nasty messages to the "gang". I'm just wondering why I havent received one yet.

Mail gets backlogged over Christmas?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:41 am

Lulu2;504199 wrote: Just to be clear (and then I'm done with this thread) there were NO previous private messages to or from this person. Ever. I opened a private message and read an insult. Believe me, being called a pig, without any previous conversation, isn't a compliment.

Why did I post it openly on the board? Because, after the recent threads complimenting this person's good nature, etc, I was amazed at the level of anger in it and I consider that unsolicted email to be HARASSMENT!

I'm formally (and publicly) making the statement that I wish no contact with this person. Any future communication (other than an apology) will be considered the second incident of HARASSMENT.

Wasn't there a discrepancy about some being able to manipulate PM messages to make it appear that they were sent by the person displayed in that very same message, while the person in question had no idea about it in the first place?...

I suppose my next question is, have you confronted the person whom sent you this "PM", and have you discovered not only if it were actually sent by them, but the nature of intent as well?

I would hate to think you would post a PM on the open board without having 100% knowledge of it being from that person exactly.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:40 am

spot;504310 wrote: Mail gets backlogged over Christmas?

I doubt it.

greydeadhead · Post by **greydeadhead** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:42 am

Well.. way I see it you got a couple options here Lulu...

A) Ask wny Nomad did this and open a discussion..

B) Take Floppy's advice.. (this is the course of action I totally agree with)

C) go formal with your complaint to the powers that be.

But.. I do have to say.. using a PM to start a thread that you know is gonna be volatile.. dunno if I would have done that. It really is an issue between you and Nomad.. and by taking it to a public arena you give the impression that you can't either handle this like an adult.. and deal with it privately.. or you are trying to start a shi*storm..

kk.. nuff said..

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:46 am

RedGlitter;503760 wrote:

I can't believe I pay to be here.

There are two alternatives to that, you know?

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:02 pm

i'd like to clear a misconception being promulgated. more often than not, 'guests' are web crawlers. the more active the thread, the more crawlers will descend on it. the connections tend to be brief, as they're just grabbing the new info then moving on to the next thread or site. when there's a flurry of posts in one thread, you'll see the guest 'list' grow proportionally. but again, the guest connections only linger briefly.

suggesting that those connections by 'guest' are some sort of exigent plotting going on is paranoia. the reality is far more mundane.

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:14 pm

anastrophe;504481 wrote: i'd like to clear a misconception being promulgated. more often than not, 'guests' are web crawlers. the more active the thread, the more crawlers will descend on it. the connections tend to be brief, as they're just grabbing the new info then moving on to the next thread or site. when there's a flurry of posts in one thread, you'll see the guest 'list' grow proportionally. but again, the guest connections only linger briefly.

suggesting that those connections by 'guest' are some sort of exigent plotting going on is paranoia. the reality is far more mundane.I'm grateful for your observation. I note that the guest count might register one or two when a thread's in a burst of activity and I agree that crawlers are involved to that extent. You'll remember the wind-up visitation over December, with tasting dogs in Korea? That had a similar bump in guests too. That was the visitors' friends who were discussing it on their home board. You'll remember the Frank Discussions on December 7th last year? That had a similar bump in guests too. It has a very specific profile and it differs from background bot visits. Besides, it seems pointless to say that the bump in guests earlier today wasn't the result of foreign interest of non-members - it happens in those numbers to controversial threads with off-site involvement but not in those numbers to equally active threads that lack controversy.

Suggesting that those connections by 'guest', in those numbers, exclusively on threads with that interest, are some sort of coincidental bot activity going on is deflection. the reality is far more interesting.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:57 pm

spot;504491 wrote: I'm grateful for your observation. I note that the guest count might register one or two when a thread's in a burst of activity
you determined that figure based upon what factual details? perhaps it was inadvertent when claimed "might register one or two" - a momentary lapse. would you like a moment to rethink that, and perhaps clear the air and acknowledge that your claim of "one or two" is a fabrication, based upon no facts or experience you can claim - absolutely none at all? i'd be grateful. as someone who was formerly an administrator of forumgarden, and had intimate knowledge of such matters - you know, actual factual information pertaining to the point in contention - i think it takes a pretty fair bit of chutzpah to make unsubstantiated claims such as these.

and I agree that crawlers are involved to that extent. You'll remember the wind-up visitation over December, with tasting dogs in Korea? That had a similar bump in guests too. That was the visitors' friends who were discussing it on their home board. You'll remember the Frank Discussions on December 7th last year? That had a similar bump in guests too. It has a very specific profile and it differs from background bot visits. Besides, it seems pointless to say that the bump in guests earlier today wasn't the result of foreign interest of non-members - it happens in those numbers to controversial threads with off-site involvement but not in those numbers to equally active threads that lack controversy.

Suggesting that those connections by 'guest', in those numbers, exclusively on threads with that interest, are some sort of coincidental bot activity going on is deflection. the reality is far more interesting.

the 'reality' you are claiming intimate knowledge of is of your own fabrication. as i said, "more often than not, 'guests' are web crawlers", and you've no basis of any kind for countering it. you have access to the system's logs? you can track visitor IP's? i'd be awfully surprised if you do. while i no longer have access to the logs and system statistics, i was intimately aware of the specific facts of the matter for nearly two years, and unless we are to believe that the web crawlers have dramatically changed their mechanisms (they have not), your claims to some understanding of the 'reality' are, quite simply, so much hot air.

never in short supply with you, that.

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:06 pm

I write optimized web crawlers for a living, Paul. Go away and bother someone else.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:23 pm

spot;504541 wrote: I write optimized web crawlers for a living, Paul. Go away and bother someone else.

translation: "i can't counter anything paul wrote, so i'll deflect and dismiss, rather than having the spine to admit i was talking out of my ass".

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:55 pm

anastrophe;504574 wrote: translation: "i can't counter anything paul wrote, so i'll deflect and dismiss, rather than having the spine to admit i was talking out of my ass".

I didn't even bother to read it. I'm not chasing you anywhere or looking for a fight. Go and bore Novelty again, he'll talk to you indefinitely.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:00 pm

spot;504599 wrote: I didn't even bother to read it. I'm not chasing you anywhere or looking for a fight. Go and bore Novelty again, he'll talk to you indefinitely.

translation: "facts, reality, and truth are irrelevant to me. all that matters is that my golden words may grace another thread, unchallenged".

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:15 pm

Ding Ding Round 2

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RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:31 pm

Oh now cut that out, Buttercup :wah:

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:33 pm

Round 3 is at the 816 guests thread, if you hurry you'll get a seat red

Post by **spot** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:33 pm

RedGlitter;504643 wrote: Oh now cut that out, Buttercup :wah:

I just did, it's my new desktop wallpaper.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:34 pm

spot;504646 wrote: I just did, it's my new desktop wallpaper.

In return you have to post a pic of you in satin shorts :sneaky:

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:17 pm

Lulu2;503708 wrote: And I quote

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jAnd here is my response....

+++++++++++ Thiis demonstrates one of the reasons I don't particularly enjoy you. I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me.

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult others.

You WILL reap the karmic results of your own behavior.

I thought I was being really decent by being private. You dont have the right to post my private messages. You owe me an apology.

Also how do you know this isnt your karma coming back to bite you on the ass ?

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:06 pm

This is so sad, FG is just not a very happy place any more is it? Nomad, why did you call lulu a pig, you know she isn't, what is going on with you? This is all really unpleasant. :-1

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:09 pm

I seem to recall somebody important once saying:

Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:12 pm

Magenta flame;504823 wrote: Gallbally wrong thread, take this post to the dibba dobba whingy thread.

Or I'll hit you with my big stick

Sorry If I am getting confused with all the general pandemonium, I do not wish to be hit with either a "dobba whingey", a "nobume niggle bokker", or a "di-flppida, doo-wop-wop stick".

Its not the wrong thread though. No sticks.