David813 wrote: I AM a socialist. And A, I delete my history each night at the end of my shift.uh, deleting your browser history doesn't delete what's stored here on forumgarden. what you post here remains here, indefinitely. all you have to do is run a 'search'.
I DO recall the word hippie-loving etc. If not you then yet another rightist.
uh, okay. so, yeah. like, that makes a lot of sense. i'm not a rightist, i didn't say it, but it's all just the same to you, isn't it.
A bigot is an uneducated racist.
dude, it's dictionary time. http://www.m-w.com . please, get at least one-tenth of a clue before you start making up definitions and claiming they mean sometime. The Answers Are Out There.
A redneck klantype.that's one kind of bigot, definitely. you're another kind.
You like to toss about the well-earned labels of your wing to bait those that see the right and Christianity as an enemy.
uh, no, i like to toss out the label when someone has clearly stated that they are a bigot. you did so explicitly, and your posts that condemn anyone who disagrees with you as being a 'rightist' or a 'christian' clearly show you to be a bigot.
It's so old and done each minute on neo-Nazi talk radio.
would that be 'air america' or something else? since i don't listen to talk radio, i'm not sure who you're referring to. oh, of course - anyone who doesn't agree with you is a neo-nazi klan christian conservative.
I may qualify as uneducated. I'm just a high school graduate.
me too!
The only college I've done is organize socialist youth groups on campuses.
i spent three years in "college". i studied philosophy, art history, fine arts, metalworking, electronics, film making, and latin, not necessarily in that order. then i dropped out.
Yes, KU has TWO commie groups and 7 other leftist groups! ANYONE that voted for Bush is an enemy of America, it's people and the world.
so, 52% of those who voted, the majority, are enemies of america, even though 'america' is a constitutional federal republic, where a majority vote determines the direction of the country, and represents the will of the people. okay.
but whatever, you've stated that destruction of america's current political system is your goal, whether by ballot or bullet, so i guess i shouldn't be surprise.
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David813 wrote: I AM a socialist.and another thing, i thought you were a communist, not a socialist.
it's so hard to keep it all straight!
would LOVE for someone to rebut the Chandler quote. dare ya. double dare ya!!
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it's so hard to keep it all straight!
would LOVE for someone to rebut the Chandler quote. dare ya. double dare ya!!
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Socialist, communist, Marxist. Do you not know the difference between revolutionary socialism, democratic socialism, champagne communists and the other elements of the far left? Sigh. Socialism/communism SAME THING!!!! Yes! Take it from a socialist! Communist! Check out www.themilitant.com. We have been a Communist party since '35! The SOCIALIST workers party. Read Lenin and note Socialism is the philosophy of the movement. Communism is the party building strategy of a workers party. I am a slow typer leaving work in 10 minutes! I don't know how to copy and paste! I badly want to rip youapart sentence by sentence to but lack the SKILLS online. Who in the hell is Chandler? Air America? No where near this part of the country. Been cranky tonight. Don't pat yourself on the back it isn't you! I guess if my party were in power we would weed the garden. You would be saved though as you are not as reactionary as I hoped. Plus you are too handsome. :-4 Signing out till Tuesday. 
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David813 wrote: Socialist, communist, Marxist. Do you not know the difference between revolutionary socialism, democratic socialism, champagne communists and the other elements of the far left? Sigh. Socialism/communism SAME THING!!!! Yes! Take it from a socialist! Communist! Check out www.themilitant.com. We have been a Communist party since '35! The SOCIALIST workers party. Read Lenin and note Socialism is the philosophy of the movement. Communism is the party building strategy of a workers party.
okay, interesting. as i've said, i haven't expended a huge amount of effort figuring out the nuances. i really should spend an hour or two in the columbia encyclopedia and get a genuine education in the differences. i know there's about eleventy-seven different varieties of socialism. but i haven't read trotsky or mao or lenin or any of them darned reds!
I am a slow typer leaving work in 10 minutes! I don't know how to copy and paste!
try the 'enhanced' editor. go into 'your settings', and select 'edit options'. down at the bottom you can choose which editor to use. the WYSIWYG enhanced editor is the only way to go in my opinion.
I badly want to rip youapart sentence by sentence to but lack the SKILLS online. Who in the hell is Chandler?
the quote i posted several posts back. specifically:
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... tcount=144
Air America? the silly liberal attempt at talk radio. at least, the one or two promo clips i've seen of it seem silly.
No where near this part of the country. Been cranky tonight. Don't pat yourself on the back it isn't you! I guess if my party were in power we would weed the garden. You would be saved though as you are not as reactionary as I hoped. Plus you are too handsome. :-4 Signing out till Tuesday.
dim lighting and Photoshop can make a horse apple look handsome. however, you bring up an interesting point. throughout history - for the most part - history has been written by the beautiful people. for the most part, the handsome and beautiful rule the world - whatever the political system.
well, Henry Waxman is perhaps a challenge to that theory, but the exception proves the rule, dun'it!
okay, interesting. as i've said, i haven't expended a huge amount of effort figuring out the nuances. i really should spend an hour or two in the columbia encyclopedia and get a genuine education in the differences. i know there's about eleventy-seven different varieties of socialism. but i haven't read trotsky or mao or lenin or any of them darned reds!
I am a slow typer leaving work in 10 minutes! I don't know how to copy and paste!
try the 'enhanced' editor. go into 'your settings', and select 'edit options'. down at the bottom you can choose which editor to use. the WYSIWYG enhanced editor is the only way to go in my opinion.
I badly want to rip youapart sentence by sentence to but lack the SKILLS online. Who in the hell is Chandler?
the quote i posted several posts back. specifically:
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... tcount=144
Air America? the silly liberal attempt at talk radio. at least, the one or two promo clips i've seen of it seem silly.
No where near this part of the country. Been cranky tonight. Don't pat yourself on the back it isn't you! I guess if my party were in power we would weed the garden. You would be saved though as you are not as reactionary as I hoped. Plus you are too handsome. :-4 Signing out till Tuesday.
dim lighting and Photoshop can make a horse apple look handsome. however, you bring up an interesting point. throughout history - for the most part - history has been written by the beautiful people. for the most part, the handsome and beautiful rule the world - whatever the political system.
well, Henry Waxman is perhaps a challenge to that theory, but the exception proves the rule, dun'it!
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posted by scrat
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Why do you think I am a socialist? Why do you think that I have socialist beliefs?
A couple of your posts got me wondering, obvioiusly you've been to Russia justwondered if you had fallen in love with the socialist ideal. Also your friend sounded like a drop out, hence my curiosity
posted by scrat
You speak with a forked tongue.
You stereotyped me but in reality you don't know jack about me or my views. You see the world from inside a very small box.
I am not a socialist.
O.k. that answers the question. I was just curious american socialist seems almost to be an oxymoron.
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Norway.
Sweden.
Finland.
Russia.
China.
Chilea.
Denmark.
France.
Germany.
Spain.
Mongolia.
And a few others.
Of course it depends on your definition of "socialism" and your definition of "success" there doesn't it Anastrophe?
Does rather especially the difference between revolutionary socialism and social democracy.
posted by david 813
COUNTRIES WITH FORMER SOVIET PARTY ---
Ukraine, India and Nepal. The countries Scrat listed are some as well, though most are social democratic. The ones doing bad are listed. This is because of poverty stemming from colonialism, civil war and slavery. Now Mr. A tell me all this is a lie cooked up by the Marxist Princess herself Hillary Clinton and post a FOX NEWS link saying Rush agrees with you. Look them up.
OK I'll save making the point.
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Scrat I agree; Anyone that argues with a conservative is doomed to end up as frustrated as one is arguing with a gas pump. They are always right and God is on their side. The left is dead and America will become even more capitalist & Christian than before. If it doesn't work their way they scream & pray for the Rapture! They are not accustomed to being shouted back at. The Dems are busy begging racist rednecks in the south for their votes so those of us without a bankrolled party must make at least as much noise and WHINING as the Biblebeating wackos did thru the 90's. Scream! Whine and SHOUT from the rooftops!! Their honeymoon will be over soon enough.
One of the things I find that far right conservatives and and those of a far left disposition is that anyone arguing with the far left them is doomed to end up in frustraion as if one is arguing with a gas pump. They are always right and while they do not have god on their side they have the inexorable logic of history.
Like christian fundamentalists they like to argue over the minutiae of their beliefs and rather than win converts to their cause take great delight in attacking those within their own group who do not worship at the feet of Marx in the same way they do. When asked about their beliefs they take every such instance as an attack on them and lacking either the ability or willingness to think about what they belief they metaphorically speaking pull up the drawbridge and take refuge in brochure spoke.
challenge a fundamentalist christian about why they believe the bible is the unchanged word of god they quote the bible at you. Challenge a marxist as to why they think a 19th century political philosphy is still relevant today and they quote marx at you (those who have read him that is, otherwise they quote the last pamphlet somebody gave them)
One of the joys if this forum is the chance to discourse with people who disagree with you if you don't like being challenged why bother posting.
Why leave anerica if you can't be a socialist in a free country like america shouldn't you stay and fight?
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Socialist, communist, Marxist. Do you not know the difference between revolutionary socialism, democratic socialism, champagne communists and the other elements of the far left? Sigh. Socialism/communism SAME THING!!!! Yes! Take it from a socialist! Communist! Check out www.themilitant.com. We have been a Communist party since '35! The SOCIALIST workers party. Read Lenin and note Socialism is the philosophy of the movement. Communism is the party building strategy of a workers party. I am a slow typer leaving work in 10 minutes! I don't know how to copy and paste! I badly want to rip youapart sentence by sentence to but lack the SKILLS online. Who in the hell is Chandler? Air America? No where near this part of the country. Been cranky tonight. Don't pat yourself on the back it isn't you! I guess if my party were in power we would weed the garden. You would be saved though as you are not as reactionary as I hoped. Plus you are too handsome. Signing out till Tuesday.
Not directed to me I know, but yes I do.
The only way to get faster at typing is practice.
Quote:
Why do you think I am a socialist? Why do you think that I have socialist beliefs?
A couple of your posts got me wondering, obvioiusly you've been to Russia justwondered if you had fallen in love with the socialist ideal. Also your friend sounded like a drop out, hence my curiosity
posted by scrat
You speak with a forked tongue.
You stereotyped me but in reality you don't know jack about me or my views. You see the world from inside a very small box.
I am not a socialist.
O.k. that answers the question. I was just curious american socialist seems almost to be an oxymoron.
posted by scrat
Norway.
Sweden.
Finland.
Russia.
China.
Chilea.
Denmark.
France.
Germany.
Spain.
Mongolia.
And a few others.
Of course it depends on your definition of "socialism" and your definition of "success" there doesn't it Anastrophe?
Does rather especially the difference between revolutionary socialism and social democracy.
posted by david 813
COUNTRIES WITH FORMER SOVIET PARTY ---
Ukraine, India and Nepal. The countries Scrat listed are some as well, though most are social democratic. The ones doing bad are listed. This is because of poverty stemming from colonialism, civil war and slavery. Now Mr. A tell me all this is a lie cooked up by the Marxist Princess herself Hillary Clinton and post a FOX NEWS link saying Rush agrees with you. Look them up.
OK I'll save making the point.
posted by scrat
Scrat I agree; Anyone that argues with a conservative is doomed to end up as frustrated as one is arguing with a gas pump. They are always right and God is on their side. The left is dead and America will become even more capitalist & Christian than before. If it doesn't work their way they scream & pray for the Rapture! They are not accustomed to being shouted back at. The Dems are busy begging racist rednecks in the south for their votes so those of us without a bankrolled party must make at least as much noise and WHINING as the Biblebeating wackos did thru the 90's. Scream! Whine and SHOUT from the rooftops!! Their honeymoon will be over soon enough.
One of the things I find that far right conservatives and and those of a far left disposition is that anyone arguing with the far left them is doomed to end up in frustraion as if one is arguing with a gas pump. They are always right and while they do not have god on their side they have the inexorable logic of history.
Like christian fundamentalists they like to argue over the minutiae of their beliefs and rather than win converts to their cause take great delight in attacking those within their own group who do not worship at the feet of Marx in the same way they do. When asked about their beliefs they take every such instance as an attack on them and lacking either the ability or willingness to think about what they belief they metaphorically speaking pull up the drawbridge and take refuge in brochure spoke.
challenge a fundamentalist christian about why they believe the bible is the unchanged word of god they quote the bible at you. Challenge a marxist as to why they think a 19th century political philosphy is still relevant today and they quote marx at you (those who have read him that is, otherwise they quote the last pamphlet somebody gave them)
One of the joys if this forum is the chance to discourse with people who disagree with you if you don't like being challenged why bother posting.
Why leave anerica if you can't be a socialist in a free country like america shouldn't you stay and fight?
posted by david813
Socialist, communist, Marxist. Do you not know the difference between revolutionary socialism, democratic socialism, champagne communists and the other elements of the far left? Sigh. Socialism/communism SAME THING!!!! Yes! Take it from a socialist! Communist! Check out www.themilitant.com. We have been a Communist party since '35! The SOCIALIST workers party. Read Lenin and note Socialism is the philosophy of the movement. Communism is the party building strategy of a workers party. I am a slow typer leaving work in 10 minutes! I don't know how to copy and paste! I badly want to rip youapart sentence by sentence to but lack the SKILLS online. Who in the hell is Chandler? Air America? No where near this part of the country. Been cranky tonight. Don't pat yourself on the back it isn't you! I guess if my party were in power we would weed the garden. You would be saved though as you are not as reactionary as I hoped. Plus you are too handsome. Signing out till Tuesday.
Not directed to me I know, but yes I do.
The only way to get faster at typing is practice.
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It would have to be total dictatership. That is really unlikly to happen. End of any kind of pity on the disabled. more goverment involement. We would have to be marked for a nuclar strick. and if earth quakes became acurred more especillly in the north east. BUt otheir then that i know I am here for good.
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posted by scrat
GMC. I am not ignoring you. I do not have the time to answer you posts correctly. I will get back to you.
Goodday everyone.
Didn't actually think you were, no offence taken. My apologies I incorrectly attributed one of david813 post to you, scrat is easier to remember.
The time difference gets in the way of on line discussion anyway. It''s 5.45pm here, the sun is shining and the rain is bouncing off the roof and guess who has to go out in it.
GMC. I am not ignoring you. I do not have the time to answer you posts correctly. I will get back to you.
Goodday everyone.
Didn't actually think you were, no offence taken. My apologies I incorrectly attributed one of david813 post to you, scrat is easier to remember.
The time difference gets in the way of on line discussion anyway. It''s 5.45pm here, the sun is shining and the rain is bouncing off the roof and guess who has to go out in it.
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Scrat wrote: Take what I want and leave yes. Sacrafice for, no. I think that pretty much sums it up. I'm glad you said that, Scrat. Saves me from wasting any more time trying to figure you out.
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posted by scrat
I fail to understand what the big idea about "Scotland" is to you considering you are essentially on the same island and the queen biotch of the universe. Please remember that the only reason I may think this way is because I do not walk in your shoes. I am largely ignorant of Scotlands history and land aside from the movie "Braveheart".
Fair enough i don't expect you to. You brought up land ownership, it's a common issue throughout the world and has a common history even in the US. When marx called all property theft it was land ownership he was talking about he was in england when the enclosure act were still being passed. Scotland is my home and my culture which has shaped the way i view the world just as america is yours whether you like it or not.
Don't believe braveheart wallace was not an australian midget.
I think that all politicians are equally worthless and firmly believe that scum rises to the top. I think that most political systems are corrupt and basically worthless and a burden to the people my countries system being a prime example.
How about anarchy then, except that doesn't really work either. The strong will dominate the weak, societal structure is how we control that fact and all politics is is an ongoing arguement about how to do it.
I have some socialist views such as we should all help one another and on the other hand I have some views that say there are some people that we should not help because they do not deserve it.
So how do you decide who is a person of worth and who is of no account? The distinction between the deserving poor and the feckless is often subjective
I feel no patriotism for my country because in my eyes it is so corrupt in spirit that I will not so much as lift a finger to defend it. Take what I want and leave yes. Sacrafice for, no. To bestow upon yourself is American, to bestow upon others is not.
Tis sad although I mist admit I have no patriotism for your country either but for different reasons, the main one being I am not american. but I suspect you will find it much the same wherever you go. People are alike some just talk with strange tongues and self serving politicians are everywhere.
Than again if you became one would you be the same?
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.
Nothing wrong with the answer, people who think they know all the answers are the most dangerous, especially if they form political parties and get in to power.
This is no fun if we all agree there would also be little point.
I fail to understand what the big idea about "Scotland" is to you considering you are essentially on the same island and the queen biotch of the universe. Please remember that the only reason I may think this way is because I do not walk in your shoes. I am largely ignorant of Scotlands history and land aside from the movie "Braveheart".
Fair enough i don't expect you to. You brought up land ownership, it's a common issue throughout the world and has a common history even in the US. When marx called all property theft it was land ownership he was talking about he was in england when the enclosure act were still being passed. Scotland is my home and my culture which has shaped the way i view the world just as america is yours whether you like it or not.
Don't believe braveheart wallace was not an australian midget.
I think that all politicians are equally worthless and firmly believe that scum rises to the top. I think that most political systems are corrupt and basically worthless and a burden to the people my countries system being a prime example.
How about anarchy then, except that doesn't really work either. The strong will dominate the weak, societal structure is how we control that fact and all politics is is an ongoing arguement about how to do it.
I have some socialist views such as we should all help one another and on the other hand I have some views that say there are some people that we should not help because they do not deserve it.
So how do you decide who is a person of worth and who is of no account? The distinction between the deserving poor and the feckless is often subjective
I feel no patriotism for my country because in my eyes it is so corrupt in spirit that I will not so much as lift a finger to defend it. Take what I want and leave yes. Sacrafice for, no. To bestow upon yourself is American, to bestow upon others is not.
Tis sad although I mist admit I have no patriotism for your country either but for different reasons, the main one being I am not american. but I suspect you will find it much the same wherever you go. People are alike some just talk with strange tongues and self serving politicians are everywhere.
Than again if you became one would you be the same?
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.
Nothing wrong with the answer, people who think they know all the answers are the most dangerous, especially if they form political parties and get in to power.
This is no fun if we all agree there would also be little point.
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Scrat wrote: I have been thinking about "what I am" and basically it can be summed up as I don't care/know what I am.
Let me help define you....
I don't like borders.
You are either meglomanical or pro-one world government...
I don't like laws or rules
antisocial or anarchistic...
I think that all politicians are equally worthless and firmly believe that scum rises to the top.
Disillusioned and depressed...
I think that most political systems are corrupt and basically worthless and a burden to the people my countries system being a prime example.
disenfranchised...
I have some socialist views such as we should all help one another
alruistic...
and on the other hand I have some views that say there are some people that we should not help because they do not deserve it.
hypocritical and self-righteous...
I fail to understand what the big idea about "Scotland" is to you considering you are essentially on the same island and the queen biotch of the universe.
Semi-abrasive...
Please remember that the only reason I may think this way is because I do not walk in your shoes. I am largely ignorant of Scotlands history and land aside from the movie "Braveheart".
judgemental, yet uninformed...
I feel no patriotism for my country because in my eyes it is so corrupt in spirit that I will not so much as lift a finger to defend it.
moody, morose, and sullen...
Take what I want and leave yes. Sacrafice for, no. To bestow upon yourself is American, to bestow upon others is not.
selfish, self-centered, and egomanical!
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.
Oh... DON'T WORRY about that. I think your answer was very revealing.
Let me help define you....
I don't like borders.
You are either meglomanical or pro-one world government...
I don't like laws or rules
antisocial or anarchistic...
I think that all politicians are equally worthless and firmly believe that scum rises to the top.
Disillusioned and depressed...
I think that most political systems are corrupt and basically worthless and a burden to the people my countries system being a prime example.
disenfranchised...
I have some socialist views such as we should all help one another
alruistic...
and on the other hand I have some views that say there are some people that we should not help because they do not deserve it.
hypocritical and self-righteous...
I fail to understand what the big idea about "Scotland" is to you considering you are essentially on the same island and the queen biotch of the universe.
Semi-abrasive...
Please remember that the only reason I may think this way is because I do not walk in your shoes. I am largely ignorant of Scotlands history and land aside from the movie "Braveheart".
judgemental, yet uninformed...
I feel no patriotism for my country because in my eyes it is so corrupt in spirit that I will not so much as lift a finger to defend it.
moody, morose, and sullen...
Take what I want and leave yes. Sacrafice for, no. To bestow upon yourself is American, to bestow upon others is not.
selfish, self-centered, and egomanical!
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.
Oh... DON'T WORRY about that. I think your answer was very revealing.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Scrat wrote: Try again, don't twist my words though. No wonder our kids can't compete. :(How did Jives "twist" your words when the words he used are YOUR own direct quotes? That makes no sense at all.
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Scrat wrote: Try again, don't twist my words though. No wonder our kids can't compete. 
keeping in mind that when one is subscribed to a thread, one gets the first, unedited version, where you "Try again childmolester", let me ask you this: are you familiar with the concept of "A Quote"? he didn't twist your words, he quoted your words, and wrote his impressions of same. i'd say he hit the mark on about two-thirds of them. But since it's all opinion, there's no right or wrong answer.
keeping in mind that when one is subscribed to a thread, one gets the first, unedited version, where you "Try again childmolester", let me ask you this: are you familiar with the concept of "A Quote"? he didn't twist your words, he quoted your words, and wrote his impressions of same. i'd say he hit the mark on about two-thirds of them. But since it's all opinion, there's no right or wrong answer.
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Well...I'm going to take a little responsibility here. I was baiting poor Scrat a bit. His reaction was predictable. I apologize Scrat. It's just that you and I are so far apart on this issue that I really, really have trouble following you.
I'll tone it down a bit, and why don't you try to make me understand what disillusoned you so much about America. You see, I love America. Truly and deeply...I love it as much as you hate it.
I hae been arond the world and seen many, many other countries, but I never found anything as beautiful ,vibrant, and alive as America. In my opinion she is greater than any civilization that has ever come before. Just look at her accomplishments:
The invention of flight - The Wright brothers
The light bulb - Thomas Edison
The telephone - Alexander Graham Bell
The microcomputer - Bill Gates and Steve jobs.
The internet - The US military
The mass production line - Henry Ford
A walk on the Moon - Neil Armstrong
the list is endless.
I'm proud of our people, the most generous on the planet, I'm proud of our land, some of the most diverse and beautiful anywhere, I'm proud of our government, a balanced system that continually changes and adapts, I'm proud of our heritage, men who were far seeing and amazingly inventive.
We abolished slavery,
We defeated Hitler,
We decoded the human genome....
What's not to like about us?
I'll tone it down a bit, and why don't you try to make me understand what disillusoned you so much about America. You see, I love America. Truly and deeply...I love it as much as you hate it.
I hae been arond the world and seen many, many other countries, but I never found anything as beautiful ,vibrant, and alive as America. In my opinion she is greater than any civilization that has ever come before. Just look at her accomplishments:
The invention of flight - The Wright brothers
The light bulb - Thomas Edison
The telephone - Alexander Graham Bell
The microcomputer - Bill Gates and Steve jobs.
The internet - The US military
The mass production line - Henry Ford
A walk on the Moon - Neil Armstrong
the list is endless.
I'm proud of our people, the most generous on the planet, I'm proud of our land, some of the most diverse and beautiful anywhere, I'm proud of our government, a balanced system that continually changes and adapts, I'm proud of our heritage, men who were far seeing and amazingly inventive.
We abolished slavery,
We defeated Hitler,
We decoded the human genome....
What's not to like about us?
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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I am really enjoying this thread. I read when it gets bumped, and it's always good for a really awesome belly laugh. I need these daily doses of humor!! Keep 'em coming!!
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posted by scrat
You use the word world but I don't think you really know enough to appreciate just what it really means.
I know other things, other ways to think and other ways to see the world around me.
Go on what is it you are trying to say?
Enigmatic statements that hint at greater knowledge are often the last resort of those discontented with their lives that find it easier to blame their surroundings to explain their own discontent. If you can't explain yourself then you are either inarticulate, in which case practice helps or you haven't actually thought it through and are still working things out, in which case good luck to you.
I have disagreed with many on this forum, assuming they are stupid doesn't achieve anything. I can understand someone migrating for economic reasons or even political ones but if it is a general malaise you see in the society around you- a poverty of spirit-then america is big enough move elsewhere.
I know plenty British folk that feel as you do about this country, usually the reasons are spurious and stem from a feeling that things are not going the way they deserve.
Everybody views the world from their own standpoint, education starts when you begin to appreciate that there are many different viewpoints and to appreciate people for what they are rather than what you would like them to be.
posted by jives
Well...I'm going to take a little responsibility here. I was baiting poor Scrat a bit. His reaction was predictable. I apologize Scrat. It's just that you and I are so far apart on this issue that I really, really have trouble following you.
I kind of agree with jives on this. I wish you would elucidate a bit.
posted by jives
The invention of flight - The Wright brothers
The light bulb - Thomas Edison
The telephone - Alexander Graham Bell
The microcomputer - Bill Gates and Steve jobs.
The internet - The US military
The mass production line - Henry Ford
A walk on the Moon - Neil Armstrong
the list is endless.
I'm proud of our people, the most generous on the planet, I'm proud of our land, some of the most diverse and beautiful anywhere, I'm proud of our government, a balanced system that continually changes and adapts, I'm proud of our heritage, men who were far seeing and amazingly inventive.
We abolished slavery,
We defeated Hitler,
We decoded the human genome....
What's not to like about us?
O.K. There's a lot to like. There is also a lot that is irritating, especially this delusion you have that america invented everything good on the planet and your way is the only way, it shows a breathtaking ignorance and arrogance.
You use the word world but I don't think you really know enough to appreciate just what it really means.
I know other things, other ways to think and other ways to see the world around me.
Go on what is it you are trying to say?
Enigmatic statements that hint at greater knowledge are often the last resort of those discontented with their lives that find it easier to blame their surroundings to explain their own discontent. If you can't explain yourself then you are either inarticulate, in which case practice helps or you haven't actually thought it through and are still working things out, in which case good luck to you.
I have disagreed with many on this forum, assuming they are stupid doesn't achieve anything. I can understand someone migrating for economic reasons or even political ones but if it is a general malaise you see in the society around you- a poverty of spirit-then america is big enough move elsewhere.
I know plenty British folk that feel as you do about this country, usually the reasons are spurious and stem from a feeling that things are not going the way they deserve.
Everybody views the world from their own standpoint, education starts when you begin to appreciate that there are many different viewpoints and to appreciate people for what they are rather than what you would like them to be.
posted by jives
Well...I'm going to take a little responsibility here. I was baiting poor Scrat a bit. His reaction was predictable. I apologize Scrat. It's just that you and I are so far apart on this issue that I really, really have trouble following you.
I kind of agree with jives on this. I wish you would elucidate a bit.
posted by jives
The invention of flight - The Wright brothers
The light bulb - Thomas Edison
The telephone - Alexander Graham Bell
The microcomputer - Bill Gates and Steve jobs.
The internet - The US military
The mass production line - Henry Ford
A walk on the Moon - Neil Armstrong
the list is endless.
I'm proud of our people, the most generous on the planet, I'm proud of our land, some of the most diverse and beautiful anywhere, I'm proud of our government, a balanced system that continually changes and adapts, I'm proud of our heritage, men who were far seeing and amazingly inventive.
We abolished slavery,
We defeated Hitler,
We decoded the human genome....
What's not to like about us?
O.K. There's a lot to like. There is also a lot that is irritating, especially this delusion you have that america invented everything good on the planet and your way is the only way, it shows a breathtaking ignorance and arrogance.
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Now we are getting to the crux of the matter...it's not "America" in general that you don't like, Scrat, it's your neighborhood specifically.
Where I live we average only about one murder a year. And that's usually just a drunk driver hitting someone. You can easily walk the streets at night because crime is almost non-exsistant here. We haven't had a bank robbery this century so far, or a mugging this century either.
90% of my community of 50,000 attends church regularly and we enforce our curfews for kids under the age of 16.
Every year our community gathers together, over 25,000 strong to eradicate trash in our area.
So why is crime so low and hope, light, and life so high in our area? It's the attitude towards life of the people of New Mexico. Despite a range of cultures from native American, to Hispanic, to Anglo-American and many sub -cultures, we work together and respect each other.
That's the problem I have with you and your kind, Scrat. You lament the destruction of civilization, yet your despondent, skulking, demoralized, morose attitude towards life is a big part of the reason for the decay.
Recently, a drug dealer (Methamphetamine) moved into a house on my street. The entire block was soon aware of the house as it had way too much traffic and other problems arose. So, instead of crying, "America is corrupt" we got together and picketed outside the house every day. After a couple of days we got news coverage. The traffic at the house stopped. After an article appeared in our newspaper, the NorthWest Drug Task Force raided the house, and arrested the dealer. He's doing hard time now.
Are you tired of the gunshots in your neighborhood? Organize a neighborhood watch. Don't like that fact that gangsters have taken over the park? Get your friends and neighbors together and take it back! Evil only wins if you do nothing, Scrat, the residents of Nazi Germany learned that lesson the hard way.
So perk up, instead of saying, "America is totally corrupt and I'd like to leave." say, "What can I do to make America the way I'd like it so I can stay?
Remember, you can't run from evil, it only follows you.
Where I live we average only about one murder a year. And that's usually just a drunk driver hitting someone. You can easily walk the streets at night because crime is almost non-exsistant here. We haven't had a bank robbery this century so far, or a mugging this century either.
90% of my community of 50,000 attends church regularly and we enforce our curfews for kids under the age of 16.
Every year our community gathers together, over 25,000 strong to eradicate trash in our area.
So why is crime so low and hope, light, and life so high in our area? It's the attitude towards life of the people of New Mexico. Despite a range of cultures from native American, to Hispanic, to Anglo-American and many sub -cultures, we work together and respect each other.
That's the problem I have with you and your kind, Scrat. You lament the destruction of civilization, yet your despondent, skulking, demoralized, morose attitude towards life is a big part of the reason for the decay.
Recently, a drug dealer (Methamphetamine) moved into a house on my street. The entire block was soon aware of the house as it had way too much traffic and other problems arose. So, instead of crying, "America is corrupt" we got together and picketed outside the house every day. After a couple of days we got news coverage. The traffic at the house stopped. After an article appeared in our newspaper, the NorthWest Drug Task Force raided the house, and arrested the dealer. He's doing hard time now.
Are you tired of the gunshots in your neighborhood? Organize a neighborhood watch. Don't like that fact that gangsters have taken over the park? Get your friends and neighbors together and take it back! Evil only wins if you do nothing, Scrat, the residents of Nazi Germany learned that lesson the hard way.
So perk up, instead of saying, "America is totally corrupt and I'd like to leave." say, "What can I do to make America the way I'd like it so I can stay?
Remember, you can't run from evil, it only follows you.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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posted by scrat
I don't know how many ways I can explain the fact that there is more in the world than America. I have said before and I will say it again.
Oh gies a break, of course there's more to the world than america, as a non american that has always seemed self evident. Most americans seem to think the rest of the world should be more like them and everything would be right with the world.
What is it about america that you feel is so bad there is no point staying rather than just moving to a different neighbourhood. Every country has bits where it is no fun to live, by the same token there must be bits of America that are nice. You can't all be bible-thumping gun-toting nutters with a massive inferiority complex convinced the world is out to get them.
Is it your gun culture or what? I'm just curious as to what you think
I don't know how many ways I can explain the fact that there is more in the world than America. I have said before and I will say it again.
Oh gies a break, of course there's more to the world than america, as a non american that has always seemed self evident. Most americans seem to think the rest of the world should be more like them and everything would be right with the world.
What is it about america that you feel is so bad there is no point staying rather than just moving to a different neighbourhood. Every country has bits where it is no fun to live, by the same token there must be bits of America that are nice. You can't all be bible-thumping gun-toting nutters with a massive inferiority complex convinced the world is out to get them.
Is it your gun culture or what? I'm just curious as to what you think
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posted by Scrat
I'll commit Hari Kari if you show me how.
Now Now none of that foreign nonsense, pistols at dawn I'll come along and take notes on a great wild west tradition for my anthropological scrapbook.
Who gets the black hat?
I'll commit Hari Kari if you show me how.
Now Now none of that foreign nonsense, pistols at dawn I'll come along and take notes on a great wild west tradition for my anthropological scrapbook.
Who gets the black hat?
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Scrat wrote: Doesn't a Glock hold 9 rounds?
depends on the model. and the magazine. right here next to me i have a 31 round magazine with a '+2' end cap, so with a round in the chamber, my glock 17 holds 34 rounds. saweet!
WHERE SHE COMES FROM PEOPLE DON'T KILL EACH OTHER IN DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS!!!where does she come from?
where i come from, people don't kill each other in drive by shootings either. i live in the united states too. hmm.
depends on the model. and the magazine. right here next to me i have a 31 round magazine with a '+2' end cap, so with a round in the chamber, my glock 17 holds 34 rounds. saweet!
WHERE SHE COMES FROM PEOPLE DON'T KILL EACH OTHER IN DRIVE BY SHOOTINGS!!!where does she come from?
where i come from, people don't kill each other in drive by shootings either. i live in the united states too. hmm.
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lunar_sooner wrote: I have lived from the east coast to the west coast of the US, and from Florida to Maine and from California to Colorado --in fact, everywhere except the NW. I have lived in Europe and have spent considerable time in Israel and Australia. I visted my son when he lived in Korea.
If it were not for my kids and grandchildren living here, I would go to Australia in a heart beat.
what in particular, or specifically, is it about australia that appeals to you more than the US?
If it were not for my kids and grandchildren living here, I would go to Australia in a heart beat.
what in particular, or specifically, is it about australia that appeals to you more than the US?
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Lucky You Scrat! I'd give anything to travel that much. Asia & Europe would be my 1st choices, then Africa, S. America. Aust. would be my last choice, but I'd leave the US for ANYWHERE!
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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David813 wrote: Lucky You Scrat! I'd give anything to travel that much. Asia & Europe would be my 1st choices, then Africa, S. America. Aust. would be my last choice, but I'd leave the US for ANYWHERE!The saying goes, "Wherever you go, there you are." The problem is, an American can leave America, but no matter where he goes, there's an American there. If you don't like it here, your own upbringing will make anywhere you go the same experience for you- maybe worse (same goes for any nationality).
Look what the cat dragged in.
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David813 wrote: Lucky You Scrat! I'd give anything to travel that much. Asia & Europe would be my 1st choices, then Africa, S. America. Aust. would be my last choice, but I'd leave the US for ANYWHERE!
Do you want to leave permanately?
Do you want to leave permanately?
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Scrat wrote: Well Anastrophe from you point of view in Sonoma County Cali, I do believe you live in a bubble. I dare you to spend one night on the streets of Seattle. It's a real rathole. About the worst I have ever seen in all my travels and that includes too many places to list here.
I do know one thing, I can walk through the Berlin municiple garden/park or Esraminova park in Moscow in the middle of the night without any risk whatsoever, but if I were to try to do that in Discovery park in Seattle I may well end up dead.
I can stand in front of the Kremlin gate or Lenins Mausoleum and drink beer in Red Square. If I were to do that at the White House I would be tazered and beaten senseless. Their is just too many crazy people here in America.
People who think America is the be all to end all have never been anywhere else for any length of time. I kind of think blind patriotism stems from ignorance.
I love Seattle Scrat, even downtown, and I say that having seen most of the U.S. and the rest of the world. Singapore and Sydney are my favorite two cities. If being able to drink beer in Red Square and take a leak on Lenin's Tomb is your thing, so be it. Do it in Singapore and you probably would get life in the can.
I do know one thing, I can walk through the Berlin municiple garden/park or Esraminova park in Moscow in the middle of the night without any risk whatsoever, but if I were to try to do that in Discovery park in Seattle I may well end up dead.
I can stand in front of the Kremlin gate or Lenins Mausoleum and drink beer in Red Square. If I were to do that at the White House I would be tazered and beaten senseless. Their is just too many crazy people here in America.
People who think America is the be all to end all have never been anywhere else for any length of time. I kind of think blind patriotism stems from ignorance.
I love Seattle Scrat, even downtown, and I say that having seen most of the U.S. and the rest of the world. Singapore and Sydney are my favorite two cities. If being able to drink beer in Red Square and take a leak on Lenin's Tomb is your thing, so be it. Do it in Singapore and you probably would get life in the can.
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Lon wrote: Do you want to leave permanately?I would LOVE to renounce my U.S. citizenship and leave for ANYWHERE! Mexico! Laos! Tanzania! Anywhere but here. BUT, the family here would make it impossible to leave because once I did I'd NEVER ever return. Being an uncle is too important. Plus this country needs brilliant committed leftist hardasses like me. In all seriousness if it weren't for my close ties to my mother, sisters and neices & nephews I'd split in a heartbeat. To me at least, being an American now, as we have become an ultra-rightwing theocracy, is something to be extremely ashamed of. The "Pride" is dead. Old Gory will burn someday and I hope I am a part of it.
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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posted by david813
Lucky You Scrat! I'd give anything to travel that much. Asia & Europe would be my 1st choices, then Africa, S. America. Aust. would be my last choice, but I'd leave the US for ANYWHERE!
What's stopping you from travelling abroad? get a passport get on a plane take a package holiday somewhere.
Lucky You Scrat! I'd give anything to travel that much. Asia & Europe would be my 1st choices, then Africa, S. America. Aust. would be my last choice, but I'd leave the US for ANYWHERE!
What's stopping you from travelling abroad? get a passport get on a plane take a package holiday somewhere.
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I have never really met people (in my real life) that want to get out of the United States so badly. This is unusual to me.
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David813 wrote: I would LOVE to renounce my U.S. citizenship and leave for ANYWHERE! Mexico! Laos! Tanzania! Anywhere but here. BUT, the family here would make it impossible to leave because once I did I'd NEVER ever return. Being an uncle is too important. Plus this country needs brilliant committed leftist hardasses like me. In all seriousness if it weren't for my close ties to my mother, sisters and neices & nephews I'd split in a heartbeat. To me at least, being an American now, as we have become an ultra-rightwing theocracy, is something to be extremely ashamed of. The "Pride" is dead. Old Gory will burn someday and I hope I am a part of it.
The "Pride" is dead? "Old Gory will burn someday and I...?" Those are amazing statements. Sounds like your personal trials and tribulations are in your own head. You are using the U.S. as your convenient whipping boy.
BTW, you will never "be a part of it" and you won't see "Old Glory burn" - there are too many people who will stop you. Frankly, your posts show that you don't have the stamina, wherewithall, or courage to confront and fix anything you don't like.
The "Pride" is dead? "Old Gory will burn someday and I...?" Those are amazing statements. Sounds like your personal trials and tribulations are in your own head. You are using the U.S. as your convenient whipping boy.
BTW, you will never "be a part of it" and you won't see "Old Glory burn" - there are too many people who will stop you. Frankly, your posts show that you don't have the stamina, wherewithall, or courage to confront and fix anything you don't like.
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Tombstone wrote: Frankly, your posts show that you don't have the stamina, wherewithall, or courage to confront and fix anything you don't like.
Oh! Ouch! that stings! LOL! Good one, Tombstone! And you're right, America is run by the majority, not the strident, misguided minority.
Oh! Ouch! that stings! LOL! Good one, Tombstone! And you're right, America is run by the majority, not the strident, misguided minority.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Tombstone wrote: The "Pride" is dead? "Old Gory will burn someday and I...?" Those are amazing statements. Sounds like your personal trials and tribulations are in your own head. You are using the U.S. as your convenient whipping boy.
BTW, you will never "be a part of it" and you won't see "Old Glory burn" - there are too many people who will stop you. Frankly, your posts show that you don't have the stamina, wherewithall, or courage to confront and fix anything you don't like.I don't have the stamina or courage to confront or fix anything I don't like? How the hell do you know!? It takes alot more to insult me than that!! If I had the time, and you were worth it, I'd fill you in on some things but your type are everywhere and just too boring to engage. There really ARE Americans that prescribe to political theories outside of capitalism. That may be a shock to a FoxNewsHound like yourself but it's true! Even right here in Kansas City! On election day you do your little thing at the voting booth and pick Dem or Rep. HOW COURAGEOUS! In the meantime those with stamina, courage and independent thinking will work inside our trade unions, colleges, community organizations, social welfare groups and even the military to bring Americans to the realization that there is a corporate stranglehold on our country that must be broken, not re-elected. You and Jives are the weak trash that keep this s**tty machine running. Too bad you lack the courage and stamina to kill Arabs for your great elected leader! We certainly could use two new bodies to toss into the heap of fools so many lie in. What a putrid coward you are!!! Suit up, ship out and do America a favor; Get Shot!!!
BTW, you will never "be a part of it" and you won't see "Old Glory burn" - there are too many people who will stop you. Frankly, your posts show that you don't have the stamina, wherewithall, or courage to confront and fix anything you don't like.I don't have the stamina or courage to confront or fix anything I don't like? How the hell do you know!? It takes alot more to insult me than that!! If I had the time, and you were worth it, I'd fill you in on some things but your type are everywhere and just too boring to engage. There really ARE Americans that prescribe to political theories outside of capitalism. That may be a shock to a FoxNewsHound like yourself but it's true! Even right here in Kansas City! On election day you do your little thing at the voting booth and pick Dem or Rep. HOW COURAGEOUS! In the meantime those with stamina, courage and independent thinking will work inside our trade unions, colleges, community organizations, social welfare groups and even the military to bring Americans to the realization that there is a corporate stranglehold on our country that must be broken, not re-elected. You and Jives are the weak trash that keep this s**tty machine running. Too bad you lack the courage and stamina to kill Arabs for your great elected leader! We certainly could use two new bodies to toss into the heap of fools so many lie in. What a putrid coward you are!!! Suit up, ship out and do America a favor; Get Shot!!!
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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David813 wrote: I don't have the stamina or courage to confront or fix anything I don't like? How the hell do you know!? It takes alot more to insult me than that!! If I had the time, and you were worth it, I'd fill you in on some things but your type are everywhere and just too boring to engage. There really ARE Americans that prescribe to political theories outside of capitalism. That may be a shock to a FoxNewsHound like yourself but it's true! Even right here in Kansas City! On election day you do your little thing at the voting booth and pick Dem or Rep. HOW COURAGEOUS! In the meantime those with stamina, courage and independent thinking will work inside our trade unions, colleges, community organizations, social welfare groups and even the military to bring Americans to the realization that there is a corporate stranglehold on our country that must be broken, not re-elected. You and Jives are the weak trash that keep this s**tty machine running. Too bad you lack the courage and stamina to kill Arabs for your great elected leader! We certainly could use two new bodies to toss into the heap of fools so many lie in. What a putrid coward you are!!! Suit up, ship out and do America a favor; Get Shot!!!
david, once again, you are leaping to conclusions about people you don't know. you branded me a right-wing neo-con corporo-fascist, before really knowing a thing about me. what good does the labeling do, particularly when done so aggressively? how does it or will it bring about a better community, nation, or world, if anyone who does not explicitly agree with your world view is branded with over-the-top labels?
gentlemen can disagree without being disagreeable. while i'm quite forthcoming that there are manifold evidences of my lapses in that regard here on FG, i *try* to not assume that those who disagree with me have evil intentions, or are evil for their assertions.
in my offline discussions with you i've found you to be thoughtful, warm, and open - try bringing a little of that out in the open, buddy!
david, once again, you are leaping to conclusions about people you don't know. you branded me a right-wing neo-con corporo-fascist, before really knowing a thing about me. what good does the labeling do, particularly when done so aggressively? how does it or will it bring about a better community, nation, or world, if anyone who does not explicitly agree with your world view is branded with over-the-top labels?
gentlemen can disagree without being disagreeable. while i'm quite forthcoming that there are manifold evidences of my lapses in that regard here on FG, i *try* to not assume that those who disagree with me have evil intentions, or are evil for their assertions.
in my offline discussions with you i've found you to be thoughtful, warm, and open - try bringing a little of that out in the open, buddy!
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anastrophe wrote: david, once again, you are leaping to conclusions about people you don't know. you branded me a right-wing neo-con corporo-fascist, before really knowing a thing about me. what good does the labeling do, particularly when done so aggressively? how does it or will it bring about a better community, nation, or world, if anyone who does not explicitly agree with your world view is branded with over-the-top labels?
gentlemen can disagree without being disagreeable. while i'm quite forthcoming that there are manifold evidences of my lapses in that regard here on FG, i *try* to not assume that those who disagree with me have evil intentions, or are evil for their assertions.
in my offline discussions with you i've found you to be thoughtful, warm, and open - try bringing a little of that out in the open, buddy!I was once again reacting to a duel attack by Tomb and Jives. I found it aggressive and personal, which tripped my internal land mine system! I hardly believe either of them view me as a gentlman. I don't think of them as such either! Assuming I'm lacking courage, etc because I'm not a Republican Patriot displays their ignorance. Why must I justify myself in polite terms to these provocations? Would you?
gentlemen can disagree without being disagreeable. while i'm quite forthcoming that there are manifold evidences of my lapses in that regard here on FG, i *try* to not assume that those who disagree with me have evil intentions, or are evil for their assertions.
in my offline discussions with you i've found you to be thoughtful, warm, and open - try bringing a little of that out in the open, buddy!I was once again reacting to a duel attack by Tomb and Jives. I found it aggressive and personal, which tripped my internal land mine system! I hardly believe either of them view me as a gentlman. I don't think of them as such either! Assuming I'm lacking courage, etc because I'm not a Republican Patriot displays their ignorance. Why must I justify myself in polite terms to these provocations? Would you?
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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Scrat wrote: My other half works for World Vision. She does worldwide emigration demographics. Basically she studies what people move where and why. They estimate 11 million Americans live in other countries a large proportion of those seem to take citizenship elsewhere. Many Americans live abroad and retain US citizenship.I wish to be one of them someday. How is a citizen renouncing his US citizenship a bad thing and corporate moves to foreign soil are viewed as 'economic freeeedom." Nauseating.
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas millionaires, or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." [font=Arial Narrow][/font]
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Scrat wrote: My other half works for World Vision. She does worldwide emigration demographics. Basically she studies what people move where and why. They estimate 11 million Americans live in other countries a large proportion of those seem to take citizenship elsewhere. Many Americans live abroad and retain US citizenship.
i'd love to know more stats if you can get them.
ratio of native-born americans taking citizenship elsewhere to foreign born who take citizenship here. by country would be awesome - number of americans who move to germany vs number of germans who move to america, etc.. And other emigrations - germans to australia, new zealanders to china, etc.
i wonder if anyone has done any sort of a 'map' of the 'traffic' of people around the world, in terms of actually changing citizenship. would be very interesting.
i'd love to know more stats if you can get them.
ratio of native-born americans taking citizenship elsewhere to foreign born who take citizenship here. by country would be awesome - number of americans who move to germany vs number of germans who move to america, etc.. And other emigrations - germans to australia, new zealanders to china, etc.
i wonder if anyone has done any sort of a 'map' of the 'traffic' of people around the world, in terms of actually changing citizenship. would be very interesting.
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What Would Cause You To Leave?
anastrophe wrote: i'd love to know more stats if you can get them.
ratio of native-born americans taking citizenship elsewhere to foreign born who take citizenship here. by country would be awesome - number of americans who move to germany vs number of germans who move to america, etc.. And other emigrations - germans to australia, new zealanders to china, etc.
i wonder if anyone has done any sort of a 'map' of the 'traffic' of people around the world, in terms of actually changing citizenship. would be very interesting.National Geographic online has alot of great stuff on population movement. Don't know the link though but should be easy to locate.
ratio of native-born americans taking citizenship elsewhere to foreign born who take citizenship here. by country would be awesome - number of americans who move to germany vs number of germans who move to america, etc.. And other emigrations - germans to australia, new zealanders to china, etc.
i wonder if anyone has done any sort of a 'map' of the 'traffic' of people around the world, in terms of actually changing citizenship. would be very interesting.National Geographic online has alot of great stuff on population movement. Don't know the link though but should be easy to locate.
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What Would Cause You To Leave?
David813 wrote: I wish to be one of them someday. How is a citizen renouncing his US citizenship a bad thing and corporate moves to foreign soil are viewed as 'economic freeeedom." Nauseating.
as things go, i think a US citizen who moves elsewhere *and* revokes/renounces their citizenship is far more respectable/honest than those who complain about the US, move elsewhere, but hang onto their citizenship. the latter always seems to me like a BS 'backup plan'. if the going gets rough in XYZ country, they can always save their hide and move back, where the US accepts natural born citizens back with open arms. revoke your citizenship and you probably won't get back in.
as things go, i think a US citizen who moves elsewhere *and* revokes/renounces their citizenship is far more respectable/honest than those who complain about the US, move elsewhere, but hang onto their citizenship. the latter always seems to me like a BS 'backup plan'. if the going gets rough in XYZ country, they can always save their hide and move back, where the US accepts natural born citizens back with open arms. revoke your citizenship and you probably won't get back in.
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What Would Cause You To Leave?
anastrophe wrote: as things go, i think a US citizen who moves elsewhere *and* revokes/renounces their citizenship is far more respectable/honest than those who complain about the US, move elsewhere, but hang onto their citizenship. the latter always seems to me like a BS 'backup plan'. if the going gets rough in XYZ country, they can always save their hide and move back, where the US accepts natural born citizens back with open arms. revoke your citizenship and you probably won't get back in.
"i think a US citizen who moves elsewhere *and* revokes/renounces their citizenship is far more respectable/honest than those who complain about the US, move elsewhere, but hang onto their citizenship."
You are so right Paul. Just got back from Thailand and met a few chicken s---t Americans that live there and complained bitterly about the U.S. I asked them why they didn't just become Thai citizens and they replied "well, right now things are OK for us, but you never know what the future holds" Duh!!!
"i think a US citizen who moves elsewhere *and* revokes/renounces their citizenship is far more respectable/honest than those who complain about the US, move elsewhere, but hang onto their citizenship."
You are so right Paul. Just got back from Thailand and met a few chicken s---t Americans that live there and complained bitterly about the U.S. I asked them why they didn't just become Thai citizens and they replied "well, right now things are OK for us, but you never know what the future holds" Duh!!!