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Nomad;753934 wrote: I want to see someone that is wise and humble and wrong sometimes in this position.I thought the President had to be a US citizen?
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beffie;754726 wrote: I would recommend continuing your research, take into account pros and cons and if all else fails............ pick the lesser of two evils in the front running when the time comes. As for our upcoming election, I respect Sen. Obama in many many ways and yes, there are things that I don't and won't agree with if he wins the election but looking at the other candidates, I feel he would do the best job and make a huge change for us, not just talk about it.


That totally fails to resolve the problem put before you - having researched all of the available parties in detail I have come to the conclusion that the lesser of three evils is too evil to be acceptable, what action should I take to avoid your labelling me uninterested and uncaring?
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rjwould;754754 wrote: I'm attempting to engage my fellow country people into serious debate on issues and not based on intuition. If you've been reading as you've said, show me one post critical of her political career or position on an issue...I don't think you can...

We should be voting for candidates based on qualifications and history, not whether or not we agree with their decisions of their marriage....

I am defending her integrity, thats all. If people want to make accusations, they should be relevant and real..


If that's what you are doing you'd raise the issue whoever the candidate - not just in one instance.

Many of the criticisms appear to be valid - based not on espoused issues but on trust following previous actions. If you cannot trust a candidate to be truthful, consistent and sincere then it does not matter where they position themself on the issues of the day.
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rjwould;754828 wrote: Nothing! You've already done it---Your not American and so therefore cannot vote in our elections anyway.


We do have elections over here as well you know.

As it happens I was positing a general question in response to what I felt to be an unsupportable assertion.
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rjwould;754831 wrote: What previous action? Not personal now---Political or professional..

When has Hillary Clinton not been truthful?


I am not saying that she is not truthful - as you previously pointed out I am not an American so can have no interest in your election.

I am saying that the other gardener's believe her not to be truthful and therefore have a valid reason not to vote for her.
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rjwould;754845 wrote: And not one of them have been willing to share a valid example why..


Do they need to - they believe her to be untrustworthy for whatever combination of past actions, quite possible not a single action to be held up as an example but an accumulation of events that have built into an impression strong enough to act on.
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rjwould;754849 wrote: Yes they do? The is the American presidential election. If people are going to make accusations and say a person is not a good fit, they should give valid reasons for their assertions.


They don't need to justify their choice to anybody - as this is an important election they *should* give some thought to their choice and take care over it but there can be no requirement for them to justify it.

Also, it seems to me that there have been very few "accusations". Several people have expressed opinions, many of which have been negative but for it to be an accusation it would need to be specific which is exactly what you're complaining they are not.
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The dirty tricks pulled against the Clintons throughout the two terms he was President account for the visceral bias against her and it was very much media spotlighting that caused it. One hears the lies often enough and they stick permanently.

Having read her 1969 commencement address at Wellesley College I'd trust her. She has vision, drive and passion on issues everyone should feel engaged with.
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rjwould;754872 wrote: And she has really stood up for the average person her entire life.It doesn't mean you deserve her though. The Republicans have to fix their own mess. If it's handed over to a Democrat that's an easy out for them. They spilled it, they can mop it first before they go to their room.
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rjwould;754882 wrote: The republican bunch, with the exception of Paul is about as sorry a lot for the Presidency as I've seen..


There's a crisis at hand, a war to be won, an Empire to be consolidated. Get solidly behind a write-in candidate who knows how to wear a uniform and enjoys killing people. General James Mattis is the obvious choice for President.
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Jester;754784 wrote: [...] I like Ron Paul for many many reasons but he lacks what I consider to be the most important quality as a president under our current history, he lacks the policy to premptively strike at a time when we need more of it desperatly.:yh_flag Yet another reason for me to support Ron Paul. Damn shame he's been disinvited to the next televised debates. :mad:
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